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Monday, September 22, 2014

2011 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Magic

For your in-game discussion.

Melo says this is a “must-win.”

He is mistaken, but it sure would be a nice win!

313 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Magic

  1. d-mar

    I have absolutely no reason to say this based on the recent string of beyond awful play, but I just have a hunch the Knicks may actually show up to play this game. Call me crazy, which I definitely am to have any faith in this bunch.

  2. latke

    arenas is supposedly starting. Nelson – out. Not sure how that helps us since arenas burned us pretty good last game although he has the potential to play terribly.

  3. Jim Cavan

    Nelson not starting is huge. Not sure Arenas has seen this heavy a workload in a while. I see TD giving him major fits.

  4. Robert Silverman

    I was doing a show in Louisville so I (fortunately) missed the last two games.

    Back again for my RDA of agita.

  5. cgreene

    I just got back from this amazing trip to Italy and I feel like this is going to ruin a great mood.

  6. Ben R

    cgreene: I just got back from this amazing trip to Italy and I feel like this is going to ruin a great mood.  (Quote)

    Don’t watch, go record the game, enjoy that good feeling and then if you must torture yourself watch it later.

  7. cgreene

    Aren’t you supposed to use your fouls against Howard in situations where he will shoot FTs?

  8. KnickInSeattle

    @21, maybe.
    But the Knicks actually have a defensive game plan this time around, and maybe that has something to do with the Magic TOs…I know at least 3 of those were from shock that the Knicks were challenging their path to the hoop.

  9. tastycakes

    I’m only watching this game because I discovered my AppleTV has NBA League Pass Broadband support all of a sudden… And it is lightyears more user-friendly than the browser versions, and somehow has better, more continuous picture. Go Apple!

  10. d-mar

    @22 part of that game plan is doubling Howard. I’m not saying it’s a horrible strategy, but Van Gundy will figure out a way at halftime of making the Knicks pay, probably with wide open 3′s by Hedo and J-Rich. I’d almost rather play hack-a-Dwight, he can’t keep shooting 90% from the FT line against us.

  11. hoolahoop

    Melo is playing Dantoni style, and the offense is much more fluid. Here’s the rub.the supporting cast is weak. If they don’t execute Melo will be inclined to do it himself. but a step in the right direction.

  12. Jim Cavan

    The refs are clearly very confused by our defensive activity, cuz they’re calling everything.

  13. BigBlueAL

    Walker had a fastbreak layup to put the Knicks up 7, instead he loses control of the ball, Knicks dont score and the game is now tied. Little plays like that have killed the Knicks recently.

  14. hoolahoop

    If they play hard and smart, and lose, I can live with that. At least it’s good basketball.

  15. KnickInSeattle

    If, after the horrible play lately, you guys can’t see some positives so far tonight I understand.

    But they’re there.

  16. Nick C.

    It may be an ugly game but I like it. They’re moving on O and trying on D. Bill Walker the latest out of rotation guy to play well when given time.

  17. d-mar

    hoolahoop: If they play hard and smart, and lose, I can live with that. At least it’s good basketball.  

    Totally agree, but I’m a little greedier. Take advantage of their 2nd best player being out and get the damn W.

  18. rohank

    Thanks Robert. Link 1 wasn’t working for me earlier but it might be my internet connection too…

  19. tastycakes

    League pass broadband is 25 bucks for the rest of the year, support the Association y’all!

  20. cgreene

    Knicks are clearly a better team with Douglas in over Billups right now.

    TD should get the crunch minutes.

  21. JK47

    If not for Gilbert Arenas’ suckitude and Jameer Nelson’s DNP status the Magic would be killing us.

  22. ess-dog

    tastycakes: League pass broadband is 25 bucks for the rest of the year, support the Association y’all!  

    I know, those poor poor team owners (cue the tiny violin.)

  23. Doug

    JK47: If not for Gilbert Arenas’ suckitude and Jameer Nelson’s DNP status the Magic would be killing us.  

    If your aunt had testicles, she’d be your uncle.

  24. Jim Cavan

    I guess that’s what defensive effort looks like. I can’t even wrap my head around how horrible Arenas looks.

  25. Frank O.

    Not trying to be negative here, but with virtually the entire Orlando back court out and Howard getting 0 points, the knicks only lead by 4?
    I think that bodes badly for us…

  26. rohank

    tastycakes: League pass broadband is 25 bucks for the rest of the year, support the Association y’all!  

    I’m just a poor medical student =(

  27. ess-dog

    Frank O.: Not trying to be negative here, but with virtually the entire Orlando back court out and Howard getting 0 points, the knicks only lead by 4?
    I think that bodes badly for us…  

    Eh. Melo and TD are both off. If one of them steps up, we should be ok. I swear if we can just shoot a minimum of 45% and 33% from three every night, we’ll win a lot. We’ve just been shooting so poorly over this loosing streak.

  28. Frank O.

    Frank O.: Not trying to be negative here, but with virtually the entire Orlando back court out and Howard getting 0 points, the knicks only lead by 4?
    I think that bodes badly for us…  

    4 points

  29. Frank O.

    I know we have looked at scoring now v. before, but has anyone looked at efficiency now v. before?

  30. CRJoe

    KnickInSeattle: If, after the horrible play lately, you guys can’t see some positives so far tonight I understand.But they’re there.  

    Nick C.: It may be an ugly game but I like it. They’re moving on O and trying on D. Bill Walker the latest out of rotation guy to play well when given time.  

    What worries me is that we’ve been saying that for the last few games… “They’re moving well (fine?) without the ball” “they look more in sync on d” “At least tonight the effort is there”… Every night there has been some improvement, but they don’t seem to be able to carry it over to the next game… Hell, most of the time they don’t seem to be able to carry it over to the 4th quarter..

  31. hoolahoop

    melo had only six point s in the half and i think it’s one of the best half’s i’ve seen him play. He didn’t look happy walking off the court, but hope i’m wrong about that.

  32. massive

    hoolahoop: melo had only six point s in the half and i think it’s one of the best half’s i’ve seen him play. He didn’t look happy walking off the court, but hope i’m wrong about that.  

    He probably won’t be happy until we win. I do agree that he’s playin his heart out though. Despite the suckish-level scoring.

  33. CRJoe

    Frank O.: I know we have looked at scoring now v. before, but has anyone looked at efficiency now v. before?  

    Yeah I did, back when Spree8 or something like that and I had a flame war… I still have a spreadsheet around my home pc somewhere… Bottom line we are like 5% lower in effective fg% and like 3% lower in regular fg%… And that was like a week ago, the night we lost in Milwaukee before losing to Boston…

  34. ess-dog

    CRJoe: Yeah I did, back when Spree8 or something like that and I had a flame war… I still have a spreadsheet around my home pc somewhere… Bottom line we are like 5% lower in effective fg% and like 3% lower in regular fg%… And that was like a week ago, the night we lost in Milwaukee before losing to Boston…  

    That sounds about right.

  35. BigBlueAL

    cynickfan: In other (reasonably) good news: bucks are leading the ‘Cats.  

    Knicks have the tie-breaker vs the Bobcats and not the Bucks so not sure if its that big a deal. Bucks 1 game back of Bobcats.

  36. cynickfan

    BigBlueAL:
    Knicks have the tie-breaker vs the Bobcats and not the Bucks so not sure if its that big a deal.Bucks 1 game back of Bobcats.  

    I think our magic number is 4 with the bobcats. A win here and a loss there should account for 2.

  37. CRJoe

    Owen: We have been good on offense since the trade, that hasn’t been the problem…  

    I sound like a broken record but… But we are scoring more, in a less efficient matter… Maybe Shawne gets past his finger injury and we become a dynasty???

  38. d-mar

    Wow, that’s unbelievable Howard blatantly hacks Easy E on one end and no call, then E barely touches him on the other end, 2 shots. Ridiculous.

  39. Nick C.

    E with the corner 3. I think his misses are mostly from other spots. He still seems good from the corners. Of course he misses as I type and Orlando takes the lead.

  40. Owen

    CRJOE – From Mike’s most recent post.

    Although the New York offense has gotten better (from 109.8 to 110.4 pts/100 poss) since making the deal, that doesn’t address the specific matter of Carmelo making his teammates better. And from the evidence at hand it appears that the theory of a great scorer opens up opportunities for his teammates is overstated.

  41. CRJoe

    Owen: CRJOE – From Mike’s most recent post.Although the New York offense has gotten better (from 109.8 to 110.4 pts/100 poss) since making the deal, that doesn’t address the specific matter of Carmelo making his teammates better. And from the evidence at hand it appears that the theory of a great scorer opens up opportunities for his teammates is overstated.  

    I stand corrected…

  42. cgreene

    I can’t tell if I like that fact that Melo smiles a lot out there. Is he not intense enough?

  43. CRJoe

    Dude I’m having fun with this game… It could be I’m watching it with the lowest expectations, but I’m pretty glad to see Melo trying in D, and a couple of bodies making things difficult in the lane… I just hope they don’t crumble once again in the 4th… Even if they lose at the very least die with your boots on…

  44. cgreene

    Howard is the best player in the NBA this year IMO. No one dominates all facets of the game like he does right now. In fact I don’t think it’s close… and he’s not even close to his full offensive potential yet.

  45. tastycakes

    ess-dog:
    I know, those poor poor team owners (cue the tiny violin.)  

    Pirate if you want — I’ve certainly done my fair share in my day — but if you love the product, you should pay for it IMO. Watch 8 more Knicks games by EOY, you’re talking just over THREE BUCKS A GAME. And you won’t have to deal with all that crap searching for a shitty feed. It’s a good deal for a great product (Knicks recent play notwithstanding)

  46. Owen

    “Dude I’m having fun with this game… It could be I’m watching it with the lowest expectations, but I’m pretty glad to see Melo trying in D, and a couple of bodies making things difficult in the lane…”

    I think that might be the method to all our killjoy magic…

    Howard should definitely be the MVP.

    Go Melo!

  47. Owen

    Although if you want to know why Melo isn’t a great player it’s that rebound he let Anderson get right there, never should have happend, just lazy…

  48. ess-dog

    I like this Shelden kid. He should start. He looks like he tries and he’s got some meat on his bones.

  49. DRed

    He’s so frustrating. 19 points in the quarter, then that lazy rebounding effort and that horrible possession as the clock expires. You just get the feeling that Carmelo could be so fantastic, with just some small changes. But who knows if he’ll ever make them.

  50. d-mar

    Celtics lose again, in Indiana. Those midseason trades will bite you on the butt every time (-:

  51. CRJoe

    tastycakes:
    Pirate if you want — I’ve certainly done my fair share in my day — but if you love the product, you should pay for it IMO.Watch 8 more Knicks games by EOY, you’re talking just over THREE BUCKS A GAME.And you won’t have to deal with all that crap searching for a shitty feed.It’s a good deal for a great product (Knicks recent play notwithstanding)  

    I’m definitely getting it next year… Moving back to Costa Rica…

  52. hoolahoop

    DRed: He’s so frustrating.19 points in the quarter, then that lazy rebounding effort and that horrible possession as the clock expires.You just get the feeling that Carmelo could be so fantastic, with just some small changes.But who knows if he’ll ever make them.  

    Melo said that all he wants is to win, but he only seems happy when he’s scoring.
    Now, he’s back to shooting like crazy, not moving, not passing. Yeah, he’s scoring a lot and the fans like it, but usually ends in a loss. An ugly loss.

  53. SangaD

    Point guard and Douglas v size and height offense rather than defense to begin the fourth. If Douglas gets hot we win if he’s cold we lose

  54. cgreene

    I don’t think you can just leave Melo on the bench here for half the quarter. That’s one major part of the rotations that I can’t understand. Melo and Stat need to play at least like the last 9 minutes of the quarter together. MDA needs to figure that out.

  55. BigBlueAL

    cgreene: I don’t think you can just leave Melo on the bench here for half the quarter.That’s one major part of the rotations that I can’t understand.Melo and Stat need to play at least like the last 9 minutes of the quarter together.MDA needs to figure that out.  

    Horrible lineup to start the 4th quarter. AC/JJ/Walker all playing along with TD and Amar’e.

  56. DRed

    everytime Carmelo lines up one of these terrible shots I start writing out a complaint, but then he makes them. Long may he continue to shut me up.

  57. Owen

    Someone should put that clip of Melo failing to help out rebounding in a post, don’t know how but it would be killer…

  58. Jim Cavan

    DRed: everytime Carmelo lines up one of these terrible shots I start writing out a complaint

    Itchy trigger finger seems to be going around these days. He’s playing a really good game.

  59. citizen

    hoolahoop:
    Melo said that all he wants is to win, but he only seems happy when he’s scoring.
    Now, he’s back to shooting like crazy, not moving, not passing. Yeah, he’s scoring a lot and the fans like it, but usually ends in a loss. An ugly loss.  

    There’s your smile after the defense, hoolahoop

  60. SangaD

    Were getting everything we want from this bunch we just need 10 points from the SG position. Were not getting down low right now period no prob let’s go TD

  61. Doug

    I hope SOMEBODY is telling him that if he plays defense like that all the time, he’ll be the best player in the NBA.

  62. Jim Cavan

    See that’s smart iso ball. Turkeyglue’s got 5 — and is a bad defender — you take it at him every time.

  63. CRJoe

    I liked that, terrible possession, 8 sec left… Just give me the ball and get the hell away, even if he hadn’t been fouled I’d still like the idea…

  64. d-mar

    Owen: Someone should put that clip of Melo failing to help out rebounding in a post, don’t know how but it would be killer…  

    Jeez, Owen, give it a rest!

  65. SangaD

    Quick bucket from Douglas turns the game on its head the carmelo iso is working offense defeats defense tonight.

  66. TheXman

    i really hate billups’ play, just causing the offense to remain stagnant, he also allowed the 3 orlando pointer after missing his mr.big shot 3 pointer in transition

  67. Owen

    It’s just me and I know Melo deserves it, but I might give the game ball to Shelden for at least impersonating a real center tonight….

  68. SangaD

    What a sight Carmelo and toney walking in each others arms that’s the togetherness that makes a good defensive spell.

  69. Jim Cavan

    You hate to give the guy a starting nod with one performance…. but Shelden Williams deserves the starting nod with this one performance.

  70. rayhed

    what does it say about ur team when ur $100 million star gets subbed out for offense defense…. for jared jeffries

  71. ess-dog

    See? Melo always has to go and ruin a good thing. Can’t he just look for a teammate once in a while?

  72. cgreene

    How the hell did MDA not call a timeout there and get STAT back in the game??????

    That just ruined the whole thing.

    Stat’s face coming off the bench after that play was ridiculous.

    I am shocked by that move.

  73. Jake S.

    I’ve been killing Melo since this trade, but he’s really looked wonderful tonight. Self-less, hard-working, the whole shebang. Encouraging signs.

  74. ess-dog

    ess-dog: See?Melo always has to go and ruin a good thing.Can’t he just look for a teammate once in a while?  

    That was the shot before I was talking about.

  75. TheXman

    jeffries did play some good D on the perimeter, on the sequence before, please do not let arenas burn us again

  76. Doug

    DRed: Great job on D by Shelden.Guarding Dwight Howard and his tiny ears cannot be easy.  

    It takes a giant forehead to cover tiny ears?

  77. DRed

    cgreene: How the hell did MDA not call a timeout there and get STAT back in the game??????That just ruined the whole thing.Stat’s face coming off the bench after that play was ridiculous.I am shocked by that move.  

    Ruined what thing? The play where they scored? D’Antoni has explained a number of times that the doesn’t like to call time out down the stretch, because he wants to avoid allowing the other team to sub in defensive specialists and set their defense.

  78. DRed

    Seriously, what’s the point of Jeffries? I know he’s a pretty good defender, but he can’t shoot, he can’t pass, he can’t dribble and he doesn’t rebound.

  79. Frank O.

    why does Melo go one on four there. Stat had his guy backed down in the paint. Smaller, weaker. Melo goes one on four

  80. TheXman

    d-mar: No way they win in OT. Magic win by 7 or 8. The torture continues.  

    yeah it might be too much to come back after that, also no shelden williams to play D, we’re pretty much fucked, thanks Jared Jeffries, you piece of shit, why, why

  81. ess-dog

    that MDA defensive sub felt wrong. he’s coaching nervous. it was the wrong move. we’re effed.

  82. KnickInSeattle

    Seriously guys, wtf was he supposed to do?
    Pass through 3 guys across the court?
    That’s your idea of high percentage basketball?
    The game is tied because he missed it, yes, but it’s also tied because he’s been scoring and passing and defending all games.

  83. cgreene

    This was absolutely MDA’s worst coaching performance of the season. This is 100% on him.

    Subbing out Amare for Jeffries should almost cost him his job.

    And, DRed, you go away from your “I don’t call a timeout at end of games” philosophy when your best player is not in the game.

  84. art vandelay

    I have never agreed with the ideology, but anyone who knows d[antoni[s career knows he is philosophically opposed to giving the foul….really stupid….dont you recall when phoenix blue a game allowing tim duncan to shoot a 3 in and force OT in the playoffs.

  85. rayhed

    d’antoni has got to be one of the worst coaches in late game situations… he has consistently fucked up in last second defensive situations by not using the fouls properly, and hes teams go completely iso and standstill on their own last second shots- never get anything good off…. u would think with two of the best offensive players in the game he might be able to come up with a clever last second scheme

  86. TheXman

    jeffries was afraid to foul him? like seriously what was his reasoning for not even fucking JUMPING

  87. KnickInSeattle

    I understand we all have ptsd, but if we lose that will be agonizing enough…no need to start the suffering early with cowardly declarations that we’ll lose for sure.

  88. hoolahoop

    KnickInSeattle: Seriously guys, wtf was he supposed to do?
    Pass through 3 guys across the court?

    Yes, that’s exactly what he supposed to do in that situation. Find the open MEN.

  89. tastycakes

    My roommate stepped on the router plug with 1:20 to go and the Knicks up 6. By the time it was back up, there were 5 seconds left and the game is tied, AYFKM????

  90. Frank O.

    looking pretty determined right now.
    But if Jameer, or any of their guards are healthy this game is over.

  91. TheXman

    lucky bounce on the miss, as bass was wide open for the offensive rebound just jumped too soon

  92. KnickInSeattle

    @221 I’m not an idiot, and I’m not a flamer.
    I just happen to believe that:

    1) Melo was absolutely the right option then.
    2) We’re going to win.

  93. TheXman

    Frank O.: looking pretty determined right now.
    But if Jameer, or any of their guards are healthy this game is over.  

    yeah lucky that nelson is injured

  94. Robert Silverman

    Stan Van Gundy when kvetching about calls, looks like a guy from Jersey trying to send back soup at a fancy restaurant.

  95. SangaD

    Cant go with STAT he has to run back we need TD to hit that shot. If he’s hot we win easy the iso with movement beats the height.

  96. Starks

    on a side note, espn 2 analysts just suggested that the Heat pick up Eddy Curry. “you know Pat Riley will get him into shape. What do you have to lose?”

    How do they say that with a straight face?

  97. rohank

    Anyone else notice that Melo didn’t give billups the ball after he got the rebound? He knew he was gonna get fouled. He WANTED to shoot the FTs. I like that

    Wish he’d made both – I didn’t like that

  98. Doug

    Starks: on a side note, espn 2 analysts just suggested that the Heat pick up Eddy Curry. “you know Pat Riley will get him into shape. What do you have to lose?”How do they say that with a straight face?  

    LMAO

  99. PC

    Howards one of the best players in the league – yet the Bulls, Celtics, and Heat aren’t scared of the Magic at all. They’re team is full of wierdos. Who on that team has a normal personality (both on and off the court)? Bass and Richardson? That’s it.

  100. KnickInSeattle

    Book it!

    Frank O, Owen, Hoola etc: a win is a win.
    Whether the Magic had all personnel or not, I couldn’t care less.
    Good play tonight…a good step in the right direction…and a good sign for all. Whether Melo should have made a nearly impossible pass on the last play of regulation or not. In fact, I’ll give you that. He should have. Now, are you okay with the other 37 points he scored or should we give those back?

  101. Doug

    Doug: “you know Pat Riley will get him into shape. What do you have to lose?”How do they say that with a straight face?

    “Amorphous blob” is a shape.

  102. rohank

    Say what you want about the Magic missing people, but Melo talked the talked and then walked the walk tonight

  103. TheXman

    ball movement looked pretty good, i also thought anthony carter played pretty well, some good defense and some nice passes

  104. rohank

    Very PC answer to Tina Cervasio’s question about not fouling at the end of games. Hopefully D’Antoni gets asked it at the postgame conference and doesn’t dodge the question

  105. Jim Cavan

    citizen: As bad as Stoudemire looked on offense tonight, he did get 20 points on just 10 shots  

    And he looked totally fine not having the ball down the stretch. Obviously he should have touched it a lot more, but I think Stat is big enough to take the emotional / spiritual leader mantle, if only because, if the rolls had been reversed, Melo probably would be pouting despite the win. Really a good sign from Stat, who I think emerges as the true leader in the long run.

  106. CRJoe

    I’m not gonna say anything negative tonight… I’m just gonna go to bed satisfied for the first time since the trade… If Melo played that way on D, EVERY OTHER NIGHT, he would be hands down the MVP…

  107. d-mar

    Frank O.: Ridiculous how Amare is nearly forgotten on offense  

    He gave the ball back to Melo every time he got it. He was deferring to the hot guy, I have no problem with that.

  108. Starks

    Glad we got a win. Couldn’t watch much of it. I guess Toney Douglas really played well too. +17 despite the rough shooting?

  109. BigBlueAL

    Amar’e had worse lift and quickness tonight than Ewing did in his final couple of seasons with the Knicks.

    The fact that he had no problems not getting the ball on offense and still played hard on D and was celebrating and still very much into the game was great.

    Also dare I say it, Knicks on the verge of a 4 game winning streak with next 3 games at home vs NJ, Cle and Tor?? Nah. lol

  110. d-mar

    Maybe we can pick up 2 more wins before we face our arch nemesis, the awesome Cleveland Cavaliers.

  111. citizen

    d-mar:
    He gave the ball back to Melo every time he got it. He was deferring to the hot guy, I have no problem with that.  

    Yeah, you could see his athleticism is definitely back yet (due to fatigue or, god forbid, bad knees), but he played smartly and very within himself, didn’t really force things, and ended up with a very efficient line. His defensive effort was pretty good too

  112. CRJoe

    d-mar: Maybe we can pick up 2 more wins before we face our arch nemesis, the awesome Cleveland Cavaliers.  

    If Melo plays D like he did tonight, I don’t think the amazing Anthony Parker will be able to put his usual 30 points….

  113. Jake S.

    Amar’e had worse lift and quickness tonight than Ewing did in his final couple of seasons with the Knicks.

    Yessir. And is it me, or are his legs getting wrapped higher with each passing game? I worry he may be mummifying before our very eyes.

  114. Thomas B.

    1 game out of the last 8 Anthony looks like a superstar. Is it a sign of things to come or fool’s gold? I’ll check back with you in 8 games.

  115. massive

    CRJoe:
    If Melo plays D like he did tonight, I don’t think the amazing Anthony Parker will be able to put his usual 30 points….  

    If Melo plays D like he did tonight, Kevin Durant wouldn’t score 30 points.

  116. BigBlueAL

    Billups had 10 asts/0 to last game. Tonight 6 asts/0 to. He is looking alot better (still needs to start making his 3′s more) and played pretty good D tonight as well.

    If he can get back to 100% health, or as close to it as possible, there could still be some hope of not going down that easy in the playoffs. Also maybe finish over .500 as well??

  117. jon abbey

    Jeffries should just be released after not raising his hands on that Richardson 3, he certainly should be benched for the entire next game.

    amazing effort by Melo on both ends tonight. I wish he was smarter, but maybe D’Antoni can help with that a little.

    Shelden Williams with some essential minutes, it’s almost as if playing a real seven footer against Howard can help occasionally.

  118. SangaD

    This win was a product of unquenchable desire on defense and a smart offense production. Without any quick guys on the magic all we had to do was pass the ball and stay with what works on offense. We had three quarters to set their defense up for a game of hot potato in the fourth. You can’t play that way if no one is hot though and Amare had to understand it wasn’t his night to score someone has to run back and force them to play like us.

  119. Robert Silverman

    jon abbey: Shelden Williams with some essential minutes, it’s almost as if playing a real seven footer against Howard can help occasionally.  

    Shelden’s 6’9″ (at most). If he was a 7-footer, he wouldn’t be a journeyman backup.

  120. citizen

    Just a random note: we’ve seen Melo play good D for the Knicks before. Remember the Heat game? Hopefully this isn’t a one-off thing

  121. BigBlueAL

    I dont think Melo is a bad on-ball defender at all. His problem is off the ball. Thats where the laziness on D comes into play. He loses sight of his man at times and isnt very quick to react on help defense.

  122. CRJoe

    BigBlueAL: Billups had 10 asts/0 to last game.Tonight 6 asts/0 to.He is looking alot better (still needs to start making his 3?s more)  

    Or at least jacking ‘em up less, if he cuts down on his 3′s, in favor of some ball movement, he wouldn’t look so bad as he has since he came back from injury..

  123. Z-man

    I don’t think it is laziness as much as loss of focus.

    The Knicks played their hearts out and were still lucky to get this one. Not a good sign going forward. It is excruciating to have to think about possibly missing the playoffs at this stage, even if the odds are greatly in our favor.

    Billups played better tonight, but Orlando had no point guard so it’s hard to judge. Walker had a nice 2nd Q.

    The Nets game will be a good test of whether we have progressed or whether this was just a fluky win. The 3-day rest will be nice, especially for Amar’e. Then the dreaded Cavs…

  124. art vandelay

    I think billups has looked worse more so when he tries to force the ball into the paint either via pass or by forgetting he has 34-year-old legs and can’t elevate to teh rim and attempts to dish while not really knowing what he is doing in mid-air…there actually was one play like that in OT and fortunately he found TD in the corner (who subsequently bricked a 3 that would ahve put us up 7)….that was dangerously close to a dumb TO and he also nearly had the ball swiped away by Turkoglu in OT….I can deal with the 3′s as he is a good enough shooter for it to be a net positive for the team….what scores me the most has been his poor decision-making and ball handling…hopefully that will change as he adjusts to the system more.

  125. TheXman

    so i read that the knicks can release billups’ contract and have 11 million leftover. Enough to sign someone like Deandre jordan or Gasol?

  126. citizen

    Pipe dream for the night: Knicks implode, Rockets don’t make the playoffs, Stern fixes it so that Knicks win lottery & Rockets get #2, they switch picks, Knicks draft Kyrie Irving, let Billups go, sign Nenê and STILL have money left over to make some sort of trade attempt at Howard next year!!!

    Chances of happening: 1×10^-10 hahaha

  127. CRJoe

    TheXman: so i read that the knicks can release billups’ contract and have 11 million leftover.Enough to sign someone like Deandre jordan or Gasol?  

    More than enough, but… Gasol (best case), Amar’e, Melo, Landry & DWTDD… With Shawne, Turiaf, Walker, Mason, Balkman, Rautins??? We won’t win nothing with that bench… What if we work a sign a trade with Nene & Chauncey??? We’ll send him back to Denver, and we could still wind up with Birdman, or Harrington to round out the bench… Also in both cases we’d still need a backup PG… Ridnour maybe??? If Rubio actually comes…

  128. d-mar

    d-mar: I have absolutely no reason to say this based on the recent string of beyond awful play, but I just have a hunch the Knicks may actually show up to play this game. Call me crazy, which I definitely am to have any faith in this bunch.  

    Have to go back 300 or so posts and toot my own horn, but I will make no such prediction for the Nets game!

  129. TheXman

    CRJoe:
    More than enough, but… Gasol (best case), Amar’e, Melo, Landry & DWTDD… With Shawne, Turiaf, Walker, Mason, Balkman, Rautins??? We won’t win nothing with that bench… What if we work a sign a trade with Nene & Chauncey??? We’ll send him back to Denver, and we could still wind up with Birdman, or Harrington to round out the bench… Also in both cases we’d still need a backup PG… Ridnour maybe??? If Rubio actually comes…  

    We’ll have a first round draft pick right? Problem is that we did trade a way too much of our depth, and we didn’t ask more than the scrubs from the Nuggets. yea She-williams had a great game tonight, but we should’ve tried for like you said Birdman, or JR Smith after giving away 3 of our key rotation players.

    It may end up that giving away, Gallo, Chandler, Felton, and Moz will only translate into just Melo once we don’t pick up Chauncey’s option. And also the the draft pick giving away AR and 2 round draft picks, just thinking about it hurts my head.

  130. Jim Cavan

    Hey folks, recap is up. Not sure what’s more impressive: Melo’s 39, or this thread getting above 300. Nicely done.

  131. callmened

    i vote that we get rid of chauncey and his 14mil…let TD start…get earl watson as a back up pg, deandre jordan or dalmebert at Center (or both)…no need for a 3rd star if u have solid role players…and a real def coach

  132. Z-man

    d-mar:
    Have to go back 300 or so posts and toot my own horn, but I will make no such prediction for the Nets game!  

    d-mar: No way they win in OT. Magic win by 7 or 8. The torture continues.  

    Well, nobody’s perfect.

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