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Monday, August 19, 2019

2011 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Lakers

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145 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Lakers

  1. totti

    expect to see silent e on gasol or chandler on bynum
    and no chance for ar even if stat get fouls problem.

    well, at least, i’m sure they will be motivated and ready to play hard.
    easy to do it against best teams.

  2. totti

    answering to doug from last thread:

    no of course not; you’are right, the example is real madrid not being relevant in europe since many years and still having the higher budget. Or ac milan still spending 140 mil euros per years for old overpaid players not winning in italy since 2004. All this because managements took bad decisions. But supporters and fans all over the world still pay to get satellyte tv or cristiano ronaldo jersey, because that’s the sport, the professional sport where only team that made history and their stars count. That’s the way legends are built: magic and jabbar, bird and machale and the chief, that’s sport. Now you have this ussr system which impose durant lost in ok, melo in colorado and so on. And guess who’s winning? Only the teams who find the way to spend as much as the double the cap. this is a madness

  3. BigBlueAL

    Oh NO, somebody shoot me. Mark Jackson is the only analyst on the ESPN broadcast tonight, no Jeff Van Gundy. Only saving grace is Mike Breen is doing the play-by-play, hopefully he can keep Jax as quiet as possible.

  4. Jimmy C

    BigBlueAL:
    I HATE it when home teams wear road jerseys at home.  

    I hear ya on that. It was hard enough watching Lakers-Celtics last night, with LA sporting the “away” yellow throwbacks. Enough with the gimmicks!

  5. bbbb00123

    Just a suggestion, and its not like what i say matters but….

    If we’re offering pieces to Denver for Carmelo.
    And the Lakers are offering Bynum for Melo.
    Why don’t we offer pieces to the Lakers for Bynum, and just screw Melo?

    On top of that, i’ve heard Ron Artest is a big fan of the Knicks, maybe he’d be rejuvinated coming here.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4vqbtb8

    On top of that maybe picks here or there to even it out if unbalanced.

    We’re getting the best piece in Bynum, but at the same time, we have downsides of giving up Chandler, picking up the horrible contract of Artest, and losing our talent in Randolph.

  6. itztiz

    bbbb00123: Just a suggestion, and its not like what i say matters but….If we’re offering pieces to Denver for Carmelo.
    And the Lakers are offering Bynum for Melo.
    Why don’t we offer pieces to the Lakers for Bynum, and just screw Melo?On top of that, i’ve heard Ron Artest is a big fan of the Knicks, maybe he’d be rejuvinated coming here.http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4vqbtb8
    On top of that maybe picks here or there to even it out if unbalanced.We’re getting the best piece in Bynum, but at the same time, we have downsides of giving up Chandler, picking up the horrible contract of Artest, and losing our talent in Randolph.  

    Thank God you aren’t a GM.

  7. art vandelay

    I really think knicks were overperforming earlier in the season because felton and chandler were exceeding expectations…felton dropped off a bit, but didn’t fall to zero….having chandler play like this….basically become another shawne williams is what is KILLING the team, in my opinion.

  8. Spree8nyk8

    I guess this is gonna be another game where we get whacked all game and no foul and if we try to go more aggressive it’s an offensive foul.

  9. d-mar

    Let Kobe get his 50, the Lakers blow us out, but please Knicks, no more freakin alley oops to Shannon effin Brown. A little pride please!

  10. totti

    i changed my mind:

    get melo at all costs
    does not matter if this could imply
    a change of city for gallo.
    maybe it would be better for him to develop

  11. Jimmy C

    Because I haven’t brought this up in at least 10 games, I feel I’m at liberty to do so: these refs suck.

  12. Jimmy C

    I’d actually rather take our chances clearing everyone off the court and letting Felton take on Kobe 1 on 1 for the rest of the game.

  13. Kikuchiyo

    Sad to say, I find myself flipping over to the Nets game, trying to see if we can stay ahead of Charlotte. Go Nets!

  14. art vandelay

    I think they need to just make this melo trade sooner rather than later if for no other reason than to be able to move on with the season…the players look like they are in a fog right now!

  15. Spree8nyk8

    For anyone that disparages Felton, It’s not Felton. It’s the players around him becoming lackadasical and stagnant. They stop moving, he has no options and those kinds of things force a quick trigger finger. He gets so used to them doing this that he gets ancy. I cannot blame Felton until I see a better effort out of the rest of the team.

  16. Jimmy C

    art vandelay: I think they need to just make this melo trade sooner rather than later if for no other reason than to be able to move on with the season…the players look like they are in a fog right now!  

    It’s a cost-benefit analysis at this point: they’ve clearly sacrificed a couple of wins by virtue of this all being up in the air. At this point, the worst thing Walsh could do would be to up the package to Denver, because then you’d have sacrificed wins AND put us in a worse position going forward. He should just hold firm. That way, even if we don’t get Melo til the deadline, we may have sacrificed a few ones vis-a-vis the “uncertainty”, but we’ll be in a much better position.

  17. BigBlueAL

    Cant even be mad at the Knicks, the Lakers are so much more talented and better its men against boys out there.

  18. Doug

    BigBlueAL: Cant even be mad at the Knicks, the Lakers are so much more talented and better its men against boys out there.  

    Not to mention “bigger.”

  19. Spree8nyk8

    I want the Knicks to trade for Melo so they’ll be a better team and start winning so that hopefully I can read through this forum without 90% of the posts being disparaging. God damn, forum here sucks lately. I liked it better here last season when the team actually did suck. But it’s the nature of a Knicks fan, when they are bad you feel like they are better then they are (or will be improving), and when they aren’t you rag on every little tidbit that isn’t perfect.

  20. Nick C.

    BigBlueAL: Cant even be mad at the Knicks, the Lakers are so much more talented and better its men against boys out there.  
    That sums things up pretty well and swapping in Melo wouldn’t change things other than in the eyes of the PPG fetishists.

  21. d-mar

    Man, I sure hope we don’t meet the Lakers in the Finals, they would be a tough match-up for us (yes, I’m kidding)

  22. Jimmy C

    Crazy idea here, but hear me out: someone mentioned during an earlier game thread that MSG is known for having some of the softest rims in the league. Which would seem to, at least in theory, neutralize the effectiveness of SSOL. But when you combine this with the “mystique” factor of the Garden, where everyone gets up to play in New York and where so many seem to have career games here — MJ’s 55 wearing #45, Kobe’s 61, I could go on — and it seems like games that should be “home” games really aren’t, or at least as much as they should be. Sure, the crowds are always great — the greatest, actually (and loudest, and most knowledgable, etc.). But that sort of feeds into the “mystique” thing that guys get up for.

    So, with that, and in all seriousness…. do you think maybe it’s time to tighten the rims?

  23. KnickInSeattle

    @48 not to mention that Melo gets calls and no one on the Knicks, not even Amare, gets them consistently.

  24. BigBlueAL

    Knicks might not hold on to 6th or 7th seed, but still see no way they miss playoffs. Charlotte loses tonight to NJ at home and the Bucks are closer to the Pistons than they are the 8th seed.

  25. d-mar

    I’m sorry, Will, I know your feelings are hurt cause you don’t want to be traded, but you really have to stop playing like a complete pussy. Suck it up and have some kind of positive impact on the game.

  26. BigBlueAL

    Ive been watching Denver games more than ever recently and Melo has been beyond phenomenal this month. Basketball is not baseball where all you have to do is look at player stats and you can compare them perfectly w/o even having to ever watch them play.

    Advanced stats in basketball is great and its nice to see them being accepted almost as much as they have been in baseball but actually watching the players and teams play is still important. Melo is so much more talented and better than anyone on the Knicks besides Amar’e its a joke.

    Now Im praying the Knicks dont give up every asset they have for him but for those who think Melo wont help and that he isnt even better than Gallo/Fields/Chandler sorry cant take you seriously at all.

  27. tastycakes

    I don’t buy the ‘distracted by trade rumors’ thing one bit.

    Chandler must be hurt, his play has gone way into the shitter. Either that, or he just isn’t all that good.

  28. Jimmy C

    Wow, never thought I’d hear Mark Jackson advocate DW be patient and wait to get Melo in the offseason.

  29. Nick C.

    BBA I hear you but they can’t upgrade with Melo and then kill themselves at another position or leave themselves with no bench.

  30. BigBlueAL

    Nick C.: BBA I hear you but they can’t upgrade with Melo and then kill themselves at another position or leave themselves with no bench.  

    Oh I agree. Im just saying though some people try to make it seem like Melo isnt that good and is barely better than Gallo/Fields/WC and that is a joke.

  31. Jimmy C

    So let me get this straight: ball goes off of LA, Kobe Bryant screams at the official that he doesn’t agree, and that’s enough for said official to have to consult with another official?…. Nice run.

  32. Spree8nyk8

    BigBlueAL: Knicks might not hold on to 6th or 7th seed, but still see no way they miss playoffs.Charlotte loses tonight to NJ at home and the Bucks are closer to the Pistons than they are the 8th seed.  

    Al dude ur seriously becoming a troll. They STILL have a 3 game lead on philly and the schedule is going to be getting softer. I mean dude I really like you honestly. And I don’t know what is going on with you right now but man every single post you make is really super negative right now. And idk I miss the old BBA.

  33. BigBlueAL

    LOL. Hollinger’s Playoff Odds does have Philly finishing higher than the Knicks now. Will be 2 in the loss column on Philly and Indy assuming Knicks lose tonight. Dont worry though I will continue to guarantee a playoff spot :-)

  34. TheRant

    Jax just said something on the air that was quite smart — perhaps the first thing he’s uttered that I’ve paid attention to in ten or twenty games that he has called:

    “Dolan needs to get off the phone with Denver, and worry about signing his real MVP — Donnie Walsh.”

  35. Michael Cline

    Definitely agree on the non-technical call on Kobe. Amare gets technicals for breathing in the refs general direction. Kobe screams at the guy and doesn’t even get a second look.

    Knicks have played better on the defensive in this quarter. But we’ve also been helped by some wide open misses from Pau.

  36. erobes

    BigBlueAL:
    Oh I agree.Im just saying though some people try to make it seem like Melo isnt that good and is barely better than Gallo/Fields/WC and that is a joke.  

    I agree. I get tired of people calling Melo average. Chandler and Gallo are (right now) much worse than Melo. Does anyone think that Gallo or Chandler could replace Melo on the Nugs and keep them in the playoffs? I think not.

  37. BigBlueAL

    Sabathia at the game tonight. THANK GOD Spring Training starts soon, need daily Yankees news to take my mind away from the Knicks for a bit lol.

  38. Spree8nyk8

    I’ll tell you what man Mozgov has come like ten miles in about a month. He has superduper improved

  39. Spree8nyk8

    That is probably the lamest foul i’ve ever seen, you see a guy just jogging down the court with his head to the side so you step in front and flop. That’s friggin ridiculous

  40. Jimmy C

    Just saying: any other two players in the league, or any other combination of Stat and another player not named Kobe, and that’s a no-call.

  41. Spree8nyk8

    So that is a foul? But the thirteenish times that gallo’s been whacked in the face in the 2nd quarter those were “letting them play”. I’m so sick of us getting nitpicked when the other team it’s “letting them play”.

  42. Kikuchiyo

    Okay, I’m wasting my time now. I’m going to turn this off now. Someone call me if a miracle comeback occurs.

  43. art vandelay

    Of course this is not quantifiable, but in addition to getting previous late calls for superstars like kobe and wade, I think they influence the referees to a certain extent in blowing the whistle for their teammates…or really just teams gain a mystique by winning championships…..I guess in a sense they have “earned” it….but how many times did we see dudes like bj armstrong get calls back in the 90s riding the coattails of MJ….I think teh same may happen now to the lakers with kobe

  44. BIG STAT

    BigBlueAL: I used to think MLB umpires were the worst.They are saints compared to the horrible NBA refs.  

    NBA officiating is the worst. I really think Stern needs to step in to work on it. You have different rules for different guys, it’s ruined the pro game

  45. BigBlueAL

    BIG STAT:
    NBA officiating is the worst.I really think Stern needs to step in to work on it.You have different rules for different guys, it’s ruined the pro game  

    The new technical foul rules have made the refs more intolerable.

  46. tastycakes

    Please. Refs have nothing to do with the Knicks sucking tonight.

    I think the “respect for the game” rule is bs though. Good point made by Jax/Breen tonight — they call techs more liberally this year than ever before, but the T threshold stayed the same.

  47. art vandelay

    anyone else see knicks’ season sadly swirling down the toilet as we type this….hate to be negative…but they really have been wretched of late.

  48. tastycakes

    What happened to the team I loved watching every night, that seemed to be in every game…? Getting depressed here

  49. BIG STAT

    art vandelay: anyone else see knicks’ season sadly swirling down the toilet as we type this….hate to be negative…but they really have been wretched of late.  

    One way or another, they’ll benefit once the deadline passes…More importantly you realize, they’re really not that good. LAC doesn’t play up to their talent level (tonight for ex), they’re prob a better team. NYK def has no shot at being a playoff team in the west. Makes you think they should do whatever it takes to get Melo. Unless they’ve been told don’t sweat it, it WILL happen this offseason if not now.

  50. BigBlueAL

    tastycakes: What happened to the team I loved watching every night, that seemed to be in every game…?Getting depressed here  

    They have proven to be mentally weak it seems. Interesting to see how they come out tomorrow in NJ. A win would be huge.

  51. art vandelay

    For that team I suggest you read the archives of the knicks-spurs game log of about a month and a half ago…this current squad is more resembles that of the isiah era

  52. BigBlueAL

    tastycakes: What happened to the team I loved watching every night, that seemed to be in every game…?Getting depressed here  

    Although again cant fault them losing tonight, no comparison talent-wise obviously although I dont see much fight in them tonight.

  53. Spree8nyk8

    That shot right there is why AR has trouble getting minutes. He’s too anxious. Just settle down and play some quality mins.

    Walsh needs to get the deal done and get it done now. The team is not going to focus with this elephant in the room. I really really think that if they just do the deal, the team will regain their focus.

  54. Jimmy C

    Hey, why did they switch the Garden floor to Cleveland’s? And why are us and the Lakers wearing Cavs and Clippers jerseys?

  55. Doug

    Jimmy C: Hey, why did they switch the Garden floor to Cleveland’s? And why are us and the Lakers wearing Cavs and Clippers jerseys?  

    And when did everyone in the crowd get so fat?

  56. Jimmy C

    Doug: And when did everyone in the crowd get so fat?

    And why is Mike D’Antoni wearing a Byron Scott mask and yelling “defense”?

  57. tastycakes

    Clips got hosed, that was a major over the back foul.

    “The biggest triple of Jamison’s Cavs career.”. Bwahahaha

  58. Jimmy C

    I will say this about Cleveland: Even mired in this horrific losing streak, they still show up and root for their team.

  59. BigBlueAL

    At least the Cavs wont be ending their losing streak against the Knicks since they play them in a couple of weeks.

  60. Jimmy C

    tastycakes: 112, what else is there to do in Cleveland?

    I’m pretty sure Kansas was inducted into the Rock & Roll hall of fame tonight. Ok I made that up. The answer is nothing.

  61. tastycakes

    Jalen nails it. Caves needed an ex-cav official to give them a big break!

    Caves must have the longest ever streak of games without a regular season victory. Hahaha.

    Excuse my schadenfreude.

  62. John Kenney

    ANT RAN WITH THE HUGE +3 +/- TO LEAD THE KNICKS TO…

    ok, that was the only good thing about the game.

  63. latke

    Jimmy C: I will say this about Cleveland: Even mired in this horrific losing streak, they still show up and root for their team.  

    methinks they showed up more for blake griffin than for the cavs.

  64. Doug

    tastycakes: Jalen nails it.Caves needed an ex-cav official to give them a big break!Caves must have the longest ever streak of games without a regular season victory.Hahaha.Excuse my schadenfreude.  

    How incredible is that? They couldn’t even TIE the other team after 48 minutes.

  65. d-mar

    For anyone saying “just get it done Donnie” you should realize nothing is going to happen until the 11th hour of 2/24. Denver has zero motivation to make a deal before then, they can keep getting crowds to watch Melo and hope some deal comes out of the woodwork so they can stiff the Knicks. And if that doesn’t happen, on or near 2/24 Denver and NY will have a staring contest to see who blinks first.

    I will say that this recent poor play has eroded Donnie’s leverage somewhat, as the Nuggets will recognize that there’s a lot of pressure on him in NY to make a deal happen before the deadline.

  66. Caleb

    d-mar:

    there’s a lot of pressure on him in NY to make a deal happen before the deadline.  

    (Quote)

    There shouldn’t be, but there might be. I say “shouldn’t” because it’s more important to build towards a serious contender than to try and bump yourself up from the 6th/7th seed to maybe 4th or 5th.

    Chandler? This is not a comment on his overall talent or future career, but right now he should be sitting on the bench until he’s physically ok. Or who knows, maybe it’s mental. But the Chandler out there now is just a bad player.

  67. BigBlueAL

    Caleb:
    There shouldn’t be, but there might be. I say “shouldn’t” because it’s more important to build towards a serious contender than to try and bump yourself up from the 6th/7th seed to maybe 4th or 5th.
    Chandler? This is not a comment on his overall talent or future career, but right now he should be sitting on the bench until he’s physically ok. Or who knows, maybe it’s mental. But the Chandler out there now is just a bad player.  

    Unfortunately the Chandler we see out there now is probably the real Chandler. He has had a couple of hot streaks last season and this season but he is mostly what he has been lately throughout his career which is mediocre at best.

  68. Caleb

    Well he’s always gonna have injury issues, it looks like.
    I don’t know – he’s a solid starter, good defender when he’s healthy. But never a guy who should have much responsibility in the offense. Since coming back from injury though he has just been abysmal. Gallo and Randolph and probably Fields all have higher ceilings, for sure.

  69. BigBlueAL

    Caleb: Well he’s always gonna have injury issues, it looks like.
    I don’t know – he’s a solid starter, good defender when he’s healthy. But never a guy who should have much responsibility in the offense. Since coming back from injury though he has just been abysmal. Gallo and Randolph and probably Fields all have higher ceilings, for sure.  

    Yeah I like Chandler, plus he never complains and seems like an easy guy to root for. But anyone who is hesitant to include him in any trade scenarios is crazy, especially if they have to soon pay him decent money to keep him.

  70. TheRant

    d-mar: I will say that this recent poor play has eroded Donnie’s leverage somewhat, as the Nuggets will recognize that there’s a lot of pressure on him in NY to make a deal happen before the deadline.

    Not to mention the fact that Donnie is unsigned. And Dolan is on the phone. The likelihood Dolan will undercut Donnie is likely the reason Denver thinks they can push us.

  71. Sugarjesus

    I was at Knicks Laker game tonight. Stephen A. Smith sports journalist walks by tonight, at end of 3rd quarter – I am standing next to my buddy and I said to him, “Hey we getting Melo? You getting us Melo?” [knowing he had been reporting on the action]. He responds: “Donnie has to get you Melo.” then he pauses, and adds “And he is blowing it. He is blowing it.” And walks away. True story, this happened. Talk amongst yourself. I am only reporting to my fellow fans what happened to my, another fan.

  72. KnickInSeattle

    Ah Sugarjesus, I for one don’t believe you.
    And if I were to believe you I then wouldn’t believe Stephen A.
    I think–hope–that Donnie is playing it right.

  73. Brian Cronin

    So Felton is getting tired of the Melo talk and Kobe doesnt think much of the Knicks w/o Melo. I guess he doesnt know how efficient Fields and Gallo are compared to Melo….

    If great players made great talent evaluators, I’d still want Isiah Thomas as the Knicks GM. You’ll note that no one is climbing over each other to get Magic Johnson to run their team, and Michael Jordan meanwhile has done a terrible job as a talent evaluator and Larry Bird…hmmm…Bird is interesting…he’s been a mix, but with all of his really best deals happening while Donnie Walsh was working with him in Indiana, I honestly don’t know who to credit for the good moves they made, and since Walsh left, it has been a serious mixed bag in Indiana – a lot of terrible moves and then some some good moves recently. In any event, what Kobe thinks is pretty much meaningless. Even less so than Stephen A. Smith, and that’s saying a lot.

    That said, yes, obviously Melo is better than everyone on the Knicks besides Amar’e. If that’s the argument, then sure, I’ll go with that. He just isn’t so good (and Denver has so little leverage) that you do whatever you can do to get it done, like you would do if he were a better player, like a Lebron James, a Kevin Durant, a young Steve Nash, a young Jason Kidd, Pau Gasol, a young Kevin Garnett, a young Tim Duncan, etc. But you know that, and agree with me, so really it is just a matter that you think Gallo/Fields are being talked up too much, to which I say most of us who don’t want to trade those guys for Melo believe so with the understanding that he is, in fact, better than them, so if we are giving off the wrong impression to you, then our bad.

  74. endyendy

    KnickInSeattle: Ah Sugarjesus, I for one don’t believe you.
    And if I were to believe you I then wouldn’t believe Stephen A.
    I think–hope–that Donnie is playing it right.  

    Well I don’t know if he said it to Sugarjesus, but he basically said the same thing on Mike and Mike this morning. As you said, however, he is Steven A. Smith.

    At least this loss gave us another great Chris Sheridan story about how doomed the franchise is if they don’t give their souls for Carmelo before the trade deadline.

  75. Brian Cronin

    Here’s what I don’t get, logic-wise. Dolan wanted to re-hire Isiah and even though everyone in the media mocked him mercilessly over it, he was still going to do it. But now he’s supposed to be swayed by the media coverage? How does that make sense?

  76. BigBlueAL

    You know what Brian, I think the thing is something Spree said the other day that I agreed with him on. He talked about how he loved Gallo but when all everybody does is complain Gallo never gets the ball enough like he is someone you just give the ball too and get out of his way its annoying.

    I mean there are people here, OK maybe only 1 person, who honestly believes Fields is the best player on the team and is the only reason they win. Seriously. I freaking love Fields (especially after the Modell’s commercial lol) but cmon gimme a break. I mean Dave Berri thinks Fields should be a freaking All-Star.

    Back to Gallo a minute, I have loved him from day 1. But when the offense struggles its always pointed out just give Gallo the ball more. He is 3 for 26 from 3pt range in his last 4 games. His FG and 3pt %’s have actually gotten WORSE all 3 seasons which means they are at career lows this season. What is saving him this season are his FT’s.

    I’m torn right now. On one hand I still firmly believe w/o any trades this team will still win 42-43 games and hold on to the 6th seed and give a Chicago or Orlando a good series. Yet when I read people talk about this team is too talented to be playing like they are right now I watch them play and think to myself they arent that talented at all. D’Antoni gets criticized yet with any other coach I dont think this is a Top 15 offense most likely.

    You know what, lets just freaking beat the Nets and give us a few days to relax a bit. I think I need the All-Star break more than the players do right now……..

  77. Sugarjesus

    endyendy:
    Well I don’t know if he said it to Sugarjesus, but he basically said the same thing on Mike and Mike this morning.As you said, however, he is Steven A. Smith.At least this loss gave us another great Chris Sheridan story about how doomed the franchise is if they don’t give their souls for Carmelo before the trade deadline.  

    he said it. I am not making it up. What I didn’t know is that he said the same thing on the radio b/c, frankly, listening to the radio is about as relevant looking things up in an encyclopedia at the library – no one does it anymore. Thought I was giving you some news – oh well.

  78. jon abbey

    “What I didn’t know is that he said the same thing on the radio b/c, frankly, listening to the radio is about as relevant looking things up in an encyclopedia at the library – no one does it anymore.”

    heh, I only listen in the shower, but Smith seriously didn’t stop talking about this the whole time I was in there the other day. he also wrote at least one column at ESPN, which you can find on one of those newfangled “computers” in your local library, I believe. :)

  79. endyendy

    Sugarjesus:
      

    Wasn’t trying to question you, just backing up your Steven A. Smith doomsday story. As for the radio, well, podcasts on my cell/mp3 player get me through work.

    On the Carmelo Anthony front; I love the guy. For as long as I’ve been a Knicks fan I’ve been an Orange fan, and I’m still disappointed that John Wallace didn’t work out, but I’m not sure how the NBA experts who think we need to go all-in on Melo think a line-up of STAT, Melo, Felton, Bill Walker and Ronny Turiaf with a bench of Shawne Williams and Toney Douglas is getting us much further than what we’re currently running out there. Sure it may make us more attractive in the long run, but stop acting like we’ll counter the Cavs with 27 wins in a row and an ECF appearance.

  80. Brian Cronin

    Not to mention that no team ever trades anything like Gallo, Fields and Chandler (plus picks!) for one star.

    And many stars have certainly been traded in the NBA over the years. But almost always, as is the case in this situation, the team dealing the star has been forced to do so, so they can’t expect a king’s ransom for him.

    The Nuggets have dramatically less leverage than the Grizzlies did when they traded Pau Gasol. They have dramatically less leverage than the Wolves did when they traded Garnett. They have less leverage than the Lakers did when they traded Shaquille O’Neal (Shaq comes the closest, with Lamar Odom and Caron Butler, but that was still close to his prime Shaq coming off a trip to the NBA Finals, for crying out loud!). They have less leverage than the Magic did when they traded Tracy McGrady. They have less leverage than the Sixers did when they traded Charles Barkley. And none of those teams came away with a package like Gallo, Chandler, Fields and two first rounders, so the Nuggets sure are not getting that. Oh, and all of those players were better (some much better) than Carmelo Anthony.

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