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Saturday, August 30, 2014

306 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Heat

  1. maurice lucas

    After this weekend, I predict the records of the following teams will stand as follows:
    NYK -23-24
    Sixers – 22-25
    CHA – 20-26
    MIL – 19-26
    IND – 17-27

  2. d-mar

    @5 Thanks Maurice Lucas, I am shocked SHOCKED that you picked the Knicks to lose. (Is your name really Mitch Lawrence?)

  3. maurice lucas

    My heart wants the NYK to win as I have been a Knick fan for 25 years. My eyes and mind are telling me that NYK will soon be caught up by the pack of teams seemingly far behind them today. It will be dog fight for the NYK to hold on to the 6th seed. Actually I am picking them to be no higher than the 7th seed at the conclusion of the regular reason.

    I want NYK to win; I also want the stock market to go up too. Who wouldn’t? The important thing is to call it right.

  4. maurice lucas

    Ok then, ess-dog, NYK record after this weekend will be 26-21. I won’t call you names as I won’t want to stoop to your level. Are you fencing up this site for only those who hold an “optimistic” view of the Knicks, whether it is justifiable or not?

  5. rama

    I am standing by my prediction Monday:

    We win v. Washington going away.

    We beat the Heat tonight.

    We lose to the Hawks tomorrow.

    As for Detroit, seriously, Scum Ice? Seriously? That’s “calling it right?”

  6. ess-dog

    It’s true though, the Sixers are coming on strong. Thad Young looks legit and Brand is back to his old form (mostly.) They scare me the most of any team below us.

  7. Brian Cronin

    The Sixers are playing well, but I don’t see picking them over Denver on Sunday as a logical prediction.

  8. maurice lucas

    rama: I am standing by my prediction Monday:We win v. Washington going away.We beat the Heat tonight.We lose to the Hawks tomorrow.As for Detroit, seriously, Scum Ice?Seriously?That’s “calling it right?”  

    Yes rama, except for the loss to NJN, Detroit played well in the last 9 games, since they benched Hamilton.

  9. rama

    Brian Cronin: The Sixers are playing well, but I don’t see picking them over Denver on Sunday as a logical prediction.  

    I don’t even think they’ll take Memphis.

  10. BigBlueAL

    Yeah, no way in hell the Knicks beat the mighty Pistons at home on Sunday.

    The only positive thing to say about maurice lucas is that he isnt greatscott, who declared a few days ago that David Lee was going to have the Warriors over .500 by the All-Star break. They are currently 19-26 and on a 3 game losing streak.

  11. BigBlueAL

    Also look at the Bobcats next 12 games, they will be lucky to win 4 of those. Plus Knicks already have the head-to-head tie-breaker with the Bobcats.

    I keep harping on this for good reason, the Knicks are currently 13-9 vs the East and have played the top 3 teams in the East 6 times already. Look at the conference records for the 4 teams behind them. 13-18, 11-17, 11-12, 10-14.

  12. rama

    AND I don’t think The Cats will take either GSW or the Clips.

    But we’re going to lose to Detroit?

    maurice lucas:
    Yes rama, except for the loss to NJN, Detroit played well in the last 9 games, since they benched Hamilton.  

    They’re 5-5 in the last 10. They have beat a few good teams, but our record is better for a reason.

  13. rama

    jaylamerique: I cant believe the knicks could’ve had jimmer fredette instead of andy rautins right now  

    Really? Did he declare but not get drafted? Funny thing if so is, he isn’t a sure thing for the first round this year, either.

  14. Brian Cronin

    Guys, guys, come on, he just loves the Knicks. It is merely a coincidence that he thinks the Knicks will lose all their games and the teams behind them in the standings will do well. He’s just trying to share his knowledge with us.

    Also, he knows that he needs the Knicks to lose the three games to make his “The Knicks will be under .500 by the end of January” prediction come true, and since his “The Knicks will be under .500 by the end of December” prediction already didn’t come true, he needs something to hold on to.

  15. maurice lucas

    BigBlueAL: Yeah, no way in hell the Knicks beat the mighty Pistons at home on Sunday.The only positive thing to say about maurice lucas is that he isnt greatscott, who declared a few days ago that David Lee was going to have the Warriors over .500 by the All-Star break.They are currently 19-26 and on a 3 game losing streak.  

    Go back to the previous thread and find that comment from me about David Lee. Go.

  16. Brian Cronin

    How?

    The Knicks worked him out, but I guess they didn’t make any assurances, so he decided to go back to school for another year.

  17. Brian Cronin

    I see that understanding sentences is right up there with “making predictions” as things maurice lucas is not good at.

  18. BigBlueAL

    Read my comment again. That quote referred to greatscott who is the only troll who visits here more annoying than you. Problem is you comment here alot more than he does.

  19. GHenman

    Luke, I think you’d be more appreciated on the ” Seven Seconds or Mess” site. Most of the posters here would like to see the team do well. Not to say you’re not a “fan”.

  20. BigBlueAL

    Glad EJ mentioned Ewing was voted a starter in 1997. All the Knick beat writers mention 1992 as last time a Knick was voted as a starter because Ewing didnt play in the 1997 All-Star game due to injury.

  21. Brian Cronin

    Hilariously, the NBA won’t let Wade wear the tinted goggles he wanted to use because they were too tinted, so players wouldn’t be able to see his eyes. He’ll probably just where a less-tinted pair.

    In off topic news, Jeff Fisher out as coach of the Titans after 17 seasons! Wow.

  22. Spree8nyk8

    maurice lucas: Ok then, ess-dog, NYK record after this weekend will be 26-21.I won’t call you names as I won’t want to stoop to your level.Are you fencing up this site for only those who hold an “optimistic” view of the Knicks, whether it is justifiable or not?  

    So you honestly feel like the knicks have no shot in any of the next 3 games with one of the games being against the pistons?

    Defense rests….

  23. BigBlueAL

    Yeah apparently its an unfair advantage to Wade that the opposing players cant see his eyes. Ummm OK.

  24. Brian Cronin

    It does seem silly, but I guess it really is a bit of a disadvantage to not know which way a player is looking (so you can anticipate a pass or a drive, etc.).

  25. BigBlueAL

    Yeah I get that point. Still think its pretty stupid but hey whatever makes it more uncomfortable for Wade tonight is fine by me.

  26. Robert Silverman

    Brian Cronin:
    The Knicks worked him out, but I guess they didn’t make any assurances, so he decided to go back to school for another year.  

    Jimmer got hurt during his Knicks workout. That was the reason Jimmer pulled out of the draft. The Knicks were (reportedly) very high on Jimmer. Jimmer can really shoot!

    I think any time anyone here wants to opine on young Mr. Fredette’s skills/potential/etc they kind of have to use the Seinfeld 3rd person/”Jimmy likes Elaine” joke.

  27. Thomas B.

    How has 7 years of seeing Wade’s eyes helped anybody so far? Do they think this will allow him to score 90 tonight?

  28. BigBlueAL

    Kenny Smith just said he rarely ever looks at stats to judge players. Probably a good reason why neither one of them have been hired by an NBA team in any capacity.

  29. Spree8nyk8

    BigBlueAL: Yeah I get that point.Still think its pretty stupid but hey whatever makes it more uncomfortable for Wade tonight is fine by me.  

    Honestly I hope they use the brightest blinking flashing beaming lights they can find and do a 30 minute player introduction. In fact if they already had the brightest blinking flashing beaming lights at MSG I hope they went out and bought more of them….

  30. BigBlueAL

    Spree8nyk8:
    Honestly I hope they use the brightest blinking flashing beaming lights they can find and do a 30 minute player introduction.In fact if they already had the brightest blinking flashing beaming lights at MSG I hope they went out and bought more of them….  

    We need fans pointing those laser things at him at all times.

  31. Brian Cronin

    Bosh was a big part of the last loss, as he ended up getting open when the Knicks were doing a good job on Lebron, so hopefully that works out better tonight.

  32. maurice lucas

    Brian Cronin: Guys, guys, come on, he just loves the Knicks. It is merely a coincidence that he thinks the Knicks will lose all their games and the teams behind them in the standings will do well. He’s just trying to share his knowledge with us.
    Also, he knows that he needs the Knicks to lose the three games to make his “The Knicks will be under .500 by the end of January” prediction come true, and since his “The Knicks will be under .500 by the end of December” prediction already didn’t come true, he needs something to hold on to.  

    You misquoted me. I said “At 16-12, the knicks will be a mere .500 team as of 12/31″ – http://knickerblogger.net/2011-game-thread-knicks-cavaliers/#comment-307044.

    Knowing the next 4 opponents at the time were: OKC, BULLS, HEAT and MAGIC and they just lost to Cleveland and was on a 3-game losing streak. My prediction was not outrageous by any stretch of imagination

  33. d-mar

    Here’s our no-win situation tonight with the NY sports media:

    Knicks win: “the Knicks finally figured out a way to beat Miami – play against only 2 of the big 3″

    Knicks lose: “The Heat showed they still are a far superior team to the Knicks even playing without one of the big 3″

  34. Spree8nyk8

    rama:
    Exactly.But I still think they’re going to win both!  

    We won’t win if the heat are constantly going to be able to whack people, run straight over gallarini and get a blocking foul, and shit like that.

  35. Spree8nyk8

    And I hate to be focusing on fouls already, but in the previous games against the heat that is how I felt it went. And it’s already been pretty dubious.

  36. BigBlueAL

    So much for Chandler breaking out of his shooting slump last game. 2 wide-ass open 3′s and he missed real badly on both.

  37. Robert Silverman

    Spree8nyk8:
    We won’t win if the heat are constantly going to be able to whack people, run straight over gallarini and get a blocking foul, and shit like that.  

    It’s so egregious, even I’M beyond kvetching about the refs

  38. BigBlueAL

    latke: should be up 10, missing easy shots off good passing  

    Felton, Chandler and Gallo’s 3pt shooting has been a big problem during this bad stretch.

  39. latke

    BigBlueAL: So much for Chandler breaking out of his shooting slump last game.2 wide-ass open 3?s and he missed real badly on both.  

    From a strictly subjective standpoint, it seems to me that chandler’s 3pt shooting has really only improved from the corners. He still misses a lot of those longer threes. He has missed them really badly though (bad sign) and he dribbled into traffic for a bad turnover once already.

  40. Spree8nyk8

    Definition of a foul:

    1) When a Heat player draws blood.

    2) When a Knicks player transfers germs.

  41. Spree8nyk8

    BigBlueAL: Derek Harper would have fouled out already if they are going to call the game that tight.  

    Well, maybe they just call it tight on that side of the floor and they are going to give us those calls in the second half /crossfingers

  42. Robert Silverman

    This is the unit that I dread seeing together — Walker, Williams, Turiaf, Douglas and either Gallo or Chandler.

    They get a 3 minute stretch from the end of the 1st to about 9 mins into the 2nd. Never seems to go well.

  43. d-mar

    LeBron must be concerned about his FG%, 3.5 seconds left in the quarter and he just stands there with the rebound and lets the clock run out. If anyone could make a half court heave, it’s him.

  44. BigBlueAL

    Robert Silverman: This is the unit that I dread seeing together — Walker, Williams, Turiaf, Douglas and either Gallo or Chandler.
    They get a 3 minute stretch from the end of the 1st to about 9 mins into the 2nd. Never seems to go well.  

    Make that Fields with the 4 bench guys not Gallo or Chandler which is probably an even worse lineup since there really is no go-to scorer on the floor now for the Knicks.

  45. Spree8nyk8

    Why does it make sense to MDA to have gallo, stat, and felton and friggin chandler off the floor at the same time. He has to stagger his breaks. I smoke, and when I’m at work we can’t all go smoke together ffs.

  46. Robert Silverman

    d-mar:
    I guess Extra E’s 3 pointer didn’t count?  

    It did. It was a 3 by Extra E + Tech by Stat + rebound & FT’s by Landry

  47. Thomas B.

    d-mar:
    I guess Extra E’s 3 pointer didn’t count?  

    I think Robert meant Shawne’s 3 + the tech + plus the (potential) two free throws. He typed it before Landry’s rebound.

  48. Thomas B.

    Robert Silverman:
    It did. It was a 3 by Extra E + Tech by Stat + rebound &FT’s by Landry  

    Stat had 3 free throws and missed the last of them. Had he made all of them it would have been six but Landry got the rebound, foul and then made both of his making it a seven point possession that could have been a six.

  49. Robert Silverman

    I think Felton just pulled a Sonny Liston. That may have been a phantom punch (or rather, elbow)

  50. BigBlueAL

    Knicks have played pretty good half-court D tonight, especially on Lebron. Wade on the other hand….

  51. Robert Silverman

    BigBlueAL: Knicks have played pretty good half-court D tonight, especially on Lebron.Wade on the other hand….  

    Tell that to Reggie Miller – he’s done nothing but bash the Knicks D the whole game

  52. Jimmy C

    I’ve never seen anyone throw his body around and get calls the way Wade does. It’s truly remarkable.

  53. BigBlueAL

    The Knicks could hit more 3′s if they had random fans shoot them tonight. How the hell did Gallo miss that last 3pter????????????

  54. Robert Silverman

    two quarters – both 24-23 in favor of the Heat. Those open shots HAVE to start falling eventually, right?

    And while I’m here – HOW WAS THAT NOT A FOUL ON LANDRY’S LAST SHOT?????

  55. Thomas B.

    BigBlueAL: The Knicks could hit more 3?s if they had random fans shoot them tonight.How the hell did Gallo miss that last 3pter????????????  

    slightly to the right. Didn’t you see it?

  56. Spree8nyk8

    BigBlueAL: Refs keeping the Heat in the game :-)  

    I mean look, nobody’s saying that at this point the Knicks are one of the NBA’s elites but I mean it’s pretty fucking awful that they can never get the benefit of the doubt on their home floor. I mean on the road, still sucks, but hey it’s the road. Can we have a friggin game where we get more calls than them? Just once?

  57. latke

    Thomas B.:
    How about “Jeffriesesque”?

    Wow, that’s pretty damn accurate. That miss at the rim was brutal. He’s catching the ball with a clear path to the rim, and then the awkward Jared Jeffries style pause, the one where it seems like he’s thinking, “let me just make sure I have control over all of my limbs,” followed by the “I’m scared I’m scared I’m scared” lob in the direction of the rim from two feet away.

  58. Robert Silverman

    jaylamerique:
    he would’ve come out if the knicks had promised to pick him  

    Honest, it was Jimmer’s injury that caused Jimmer to pull out. Jimmer didn’t make his choice b/c Walsh did or did not promise to pick Jimmer.

  59. d-mar

    For a guy who D’Antoni calls the best shooter he’s ever coached, it’s amazing that Gallo can throw up such bricks on wide open 3′s. You don’t see James Effin’ Jones doing that.

  60. Robert Silverman

    BigBlueAL: The Knicks could hit more 3?s if they had random fans shoot them tonight.How the hell did Gallo miss that last 3pter????????????  

    Wind took it. That or all the hot air that Miller’s spewing

  61. BigBlueAL

    OK guys last game I said at half-time see you guys after the game to talk about a Knicks win and I shall do the same tonight hopefully to similar results.

    Gotta get something to eat and probably wont be online during the 2nd half of the game. Lets just hope some of these wide-ass open 3pters will fall in the 2nd half.

  62. Thomas B.

    Didnt fields start. So why is Smith talking about him like he is a reserve? Oh wait because he is an idiot.

    Preach Charles, preach!!

  63. Robert Silverman

    But that bit o’ commentary did yield the best non pun-based nickname for Landry Fields….Landry “Natural Rookie” Fields. Or if you prefer brevity – Landry “The Natural” Fields.

    Whaddaya think?

  64. Thomas B.

    I like “The Natural”

    From the mouth of a fool–Kenny, not you Robert–comes the perfect nickname.

  65. jaylamerique

    d-mar: For a guy who D’Antoni calls the best shooter he’s ever coached, it’s amazing that Gallo can throw up such bricks on wide open 3?s. You don’t see James Effin’ Jones doing that.  

    i think he’s a pretty over-rated shooter. Landry Fields is a really horrible defender.

  66. Spree8nyk8

    Wilson! nothing but every piece of the rim and maybe a piece of backboard and the bottom of the net!

  67. Jimmy C

    Where did this defense come from? For good or ill, we’re proving we can be effective in half-court sets. Still think we’re better in a track meet, but I think we’re learning that we can be more versatile than we thought.

  68. Robert Silverman

    For all those who wanted to see what the Knicks looked like with Gallo as the focus of the offense, here you go. Granted, the Heat are swell on D, but it ain’t pretty

  69. latke

    i just puked on my screen. If you added up the number of feet between knick 3pt shooters and the closest heat defenders you could make a belt for the Statue of Liberty.

  70. Nick C.

    I wasn’t aware you could put your forearm into a shooter’s chest to stabalize yourself for a block. This two sets of rules refereeing is kiliing the Knicks. That and Jones knocking down 3s while the NYK brick theirs.

  71. BIG STAT

    If the LBj block on Turiaf had been the other way around, the hand to the collarbone would have clearly been called a foul. This is disgusting. YOu’d think Amare would be in that class of player who should get all the whistles to fall his way, but the dude has been roughed up the last couple months. Makes you wonder if a lot of the refs don’t want to see NY a top franchise again. If Amare was getting calls like LBJ does, we’d be much closer to homecourt in the first round right now.

  72. Frank O.

    Fields having a very nice game.
    The Knicks are playing well, but shots not falling.
    This push, however, is nice. Like, Miami was hoping for a knock out in the third. But the Knicks survived and are counter-punching.
    Good game

  73. BIG STAT

    This officiating is bull! No backcourt??? Not a difficult call for HS refs! I honestly think a lot of these refs don’t want to see NYK back as an elite. Why I don’t know but if you watch the games every night like I do, this comment at the very least has you thinking LBJ doesn’t get as many non calls in a week as Amare does in a game.

  74. Robert Silverman

    Stars get treated differently. Been that way as long as I’ve been watching the game (early 80′s)

  75. latke

    bizarro stat of the night: knicks have 20 assists on 25 field goals. Usually that’s a sign of good offense. Usually when guys are missing, they stop passing. I suppose it’s a good thing, although it’s hard for me to say anything nice about the knicks’ offense.

  76. Frank O.

    Jimmy C: I like Toney Douglas less and less every game.  

    Sorry. I think the guy is remarkable. He’s been playing with two sprained shoulders over the past 6 weeks, and has played some tenacious D.

  77. Frank O.

    Frank O.:
    Sorry. I think the guy is remarkable. He’s been playing with two sprained shoulders over the past 6 weeks, and has played some tenacious D.  

    and he’s fearless.

  78. Jimmy C

    Frank O.:
    Sorry. I think the guy is remarkable. He’s been playing with two sprained shoulders over the past 6 weeks, and has played some tenacious D.  

    You’re right, that is admirable. Just a little worked up.

  79. Frank O.

    I never feel like the refs are uneven. If they suck, they suck both ways.
    But the refs are giving the heat all kinds of breaks here.,

  80. Brian Cronin

    this is just an ugly ugly game. I guess the knicks/heat are trying to go vintage??

    The score seems vintage for sure.

  81. ltmurray

    Good to see the Knicks capitalizing on the Heat’s awful play. If there was going to be a time for New York to jump on top, that was it.

    Man Lebron looked bad just then. It’s the kind of game I expect to see him play in the 3rd round against the Celtics or something.

  82. Z

    I don’t understand what people’s problem with Gallinari is. I think his hair is fine. Would you rather he have feathered hair, or a mullet?

    Now back to the game…

    GALLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  83. art vandelay

    this is why you pay superstar players big money and want tog et them on your team…not just to take over at end of games with daggers….put to get the benefit of the doubt on foul calls (see 2006 nba finals, dwyane wade)

  84. d-mar

    Gallo can only hit 3′s when there’s a defender flying at him.

    This is the first time I can remember where LeBron isn’t torching the Knicks at MSG.

  85. Kikuchiyo

    Look, the 2006 Finals are a blight on NBA history. Wade is a fantastic player…when he actually plays. But it’s no treat to watch him shoot free throws after he throws his body at anyone in the lane. Even though I think the Celtics will crush these guys this year, I think we’re all in for a few years of Heat players shooting free throws all the way through the playoffs. Yuck.

  86. ltmurray

    I know you guys heard that stat about the Heat’s record in 5 point games…what a bunch of pussies!

  87. Brian Cronin

    It is amazing how Fields just knows how to rebound and yet no one else on the Knicks does. It’s weird having one “natural” and 8 other guys not know it at all.

  88. BIG STAT

    ltmurray: Problem is, stat line doesn’t back up the foul argument. NYK 21, MIA 20 right now  

    ltmurray: Problem is, stat line doesn’t back up the foul argument. NYK 21, MIA 20 right now  

    Stat didn’t get fouled there huh?

  89. ltmurray

    BIG STAT: Stat didn’t get fouled there huh?  

    He definitely did. Don’t get me wrong I hate how these refs favor the Heat’s stars. I’m just saying if someone were to look at the box score, they’d be misled as to how unevenly the game was called.

  90. Frank O.

    Gallo had three of the most memorable plays of the night: the up and under dunk in traffic; and the two 3 daggers down the stretch.
    And Field also had a coupled clutch shots and his work on the boards was fantastic

  91. Brian Cronin

    Really, the big big big big big big difference in this game is after two possessions of the same stupid play they had at the end of the OKC game, both Felton and Amar’e astonishingly awesomely amazingly passed the ball at the end of the game and it resulted in a three by Gallo and a three by Fields (the pass from Amar’e to Fields was the most amazing one).

  92. Thomas B.

    Wow we beat the big three..er 2. James had an off night so we beat the big 1 1/2.
    Yay. Now just dont lose to the Pistons.

  93. Brian Cronin

    If we trade fields and one of melo/gallo to get melo, are we getting better?

    I am going to pretend that that typo was on purpose. :)

  94. Brian Cronin

    Best win of the season, IMO.

    I’d still say San Antonio, but this was right up there with the Christmas win against Chicago and the OKC win.

  95. Brian Cronin

    By the way did you notice which poster couldn’t get reception of the game under his bridge

    He only shows up when he can congratulate himself for predicting a Knick loss.

  96. ess-dog

    Brian Cronin: Really, the big big big big big big difference in this game is after two possessions of the same stupid play they had at the end of the OKC game, both Felton and Amar’e astonishingly awesomely amazingly passed the ball at the end of the game and it resulted in a three by Gallo and a three by Fields (the pass from Amar’e to Fields was the most amazing one).  

    how many times can I say THIS?

  97. d-mar

    I just went to the dictionary to look up the word “enigma”, and there was a picture of Gallo next to it.

  98. Doug

    Thomas B.:
    Have you tried a job?  

    That’s enough passive aggressive sniping for one day.

    But it really is none of your business if I want to watch Knicks games for free or not.

  99. ess-dog

    Of the 11 Heat players who played, 6 of them didn’t score a point. If one of zee grande trois goes down, they are very beatable…

  100. BigBlueAL

    Excuse me for a minute, I have to run around my neighborhood with my Amar’e shirt making fun of all the Heat “fans” down here.

  101. Jimmy C

    Couldn’t be prouder. The shots weren’t falling early, but we hunkered down and got after it on D better than we’ve seen all year.

    But even more importantly, the ball moved around in crunch time. Ray and Amar’e trusted their teammates, and good things happened.

    Great win. Let’s get another tomorrow, before my only chance to see the Ks this season on Sunday against the Stones. My fiance and I have a bet as to who gets Clyde’s number first.

  102. marxster

    ess-dog: Of the 11 Heat players who played, 6 of them didn’t score a point.If one of zee grande trois goes down, they are very beatable…  

    I’m looking at the box score, I only see 5 people that scored a point! Kinda indicative of the many isolation plays they ran.

  103. latke

    Brian Cronin: Really, the big big big big big big difference in this game is after two possessions of the same stupid play they had at the end of the OKC game, both Felton and Amar’e astonishingly awesomely amazingly passed the ball at the end of the game and it resulted in a three by Gallo and a three by Fields (the pass from Amar’e to Fields was the most amazing one).

    Yep, and what’s even more amazing about the passing is that it hadn’t paid off all game, and yet even in crunch time they still moved the ball. This could be a turning point kind of game. If we had made a decent percentage of our open threes, we would have won by double digits. If we had made our layups too, we might have won by 20.

  104. Thomas B.

    Doug:
    That’s enough passive aggressive sniping for one day.But it really is none of your business if I want to watch Knicks games for free or not.  

    If you think its okay to steal, that’s your bag. I work so who am i to criticize?

  105. Z-man

    Good win on a number of levels. Come from behind, beat an elite team when they are vulnerable. Beat a team they haven’t in a while, get some mojo going after a losing streak. Win with Amar’e and Felton deferring to open shooters rather than forcing the issue. Most importantly, beat a team we were supposed to lose to, making up for one of those ugly losses at home in terms of the playoff hunt.

  106. Mulligan

    Someone please put up the clip of felton laughing at Lebron after he travelled with 3 seconds left. I want a gif of that.

  107. marxster

    Will be interesting to see if they take this momentum into tomorrow’s game or if they come out totally deflated.

  108. Frank O.

    I was flashing on the Celts game where the Knicks nearly won on the Amare 3.
    I think if they had won that game this team would have a bunch more wins.
    But this game could have the effect. This was a break through.
    It was the second best team in the east.
    Although they seem to be on a string of losses.
    But this must build confidence.
    need to hold the intensity through the game tomorrow.

  109. daJudge

    What a wonderful result tonight. I think we could have won by a lot more, but who cares? Heading into NYC tomorrow for the first time in awhile. I will be with friends who I grew up with listening to the Knicks on the radio! Can’t wait to feel the vibe. Go Knicks! Yessss!

  110. rama

    Z: Awesome.Good call Rama.Hope you’re wrong about ATL though.  

    Thank you, sir. I hope I’m wrong, too, but I just felt that the work they started to do a couple games ago to get back to good habits was going to reveal itself against a weaker Wiz, then they had time to prepare – and true, let’s face it, no Bosh – and I was pretty sure they would prove what they clearly wanted to prove against the Heat. Then with the Hawks, they’re away, it’s second night of a back-to-back, and we’ve had some trouble with Atlanta this year.

    Detroit? I guess I’ll defer to Maurice Lucas. Maurice? Hello? Hello?

  111. BigBlueAL

    marxster: Will be interesting to see if they take this momentum into tomorrow’s game or if they come out totally deflated.  

    Honestly I could care less if they lose by 20 tomorrow as long as they take care of business on Sunday.

  112. Doug

    Thomas B.:
    If you think its okay to steal, that’s your bag. I work so who am i to criticize?  

    Yes, I steal untold monies from David Stern. I also steal regularly from Major League Baseball and the YES Network to watch Yankees games. And don’t even get me started on what I torrent. If that makes me history’s greatest monster, then so be it.

  113. Thomas B.

    Doug:
    Yes, I steal untold monies from David Stern. I also steal regularly from Major League Baseball and the YES Network to watch Yankees games. And don’t even get me started on what I torrent. If that makes me history’s greatest monster, then so be it.  

    Not judging it. Just calling it what it is.

  114. Robert Silverman

    Thomas, Doug – this dialogue is neither relevant to the game nor productive. Cut it out before I start deleting posts

  115. rama

    It’s hard to be more encouraged by that game. Not because we won, but because we shot so unbelievably badly and still pulled it out. We were absolutely not on our game offensively – not like the Celtics game, where we shot well – but we stepped it up in other ways that are meaningful come playoff time.

    HEROES

    STAT – not because he dominated, but because he didn’t TRY to dominate. He played within the team concept and the team played better because of it.

    Felton – ditto, but add some really impressive D. Nash has a lot od skilz Ray doesn’t on offense, but it’s beautiful to see the hard-nosed D Ray brings every night.

    Fields – the Natural. Yes. Beautiful putbacks, lots of boards, clutch 3s…and some weak D on Wade. But he got the crucial offensive board that helped win the game down the stretch.

    D’Antoni – for actually PLAYING Fields in crunch time. I don’t think our W was coincidental.

    Gallo – mystery wrapped in a riddle bound in an enigma, or whatever that Churchill quote is. Either way, he played pretty well on both ends of the floor, and though his shot was off (2 FTs in a row??), he came through in crunch time. And the Natural had a wide open look because Gallo commands so much attention on offense.

    Extra E – great D on LeBron. It’s kind of great to watch a kid who nearly threw it all away put it all back together. Sweeet.

    GOATS

    Are you kidding??? Feelin good tonight, baby!

  116. BigBlueAL

    C’mon now, who doesnt use ATDHE or download torrents/use frostwire.

    Hey I live in Miami so I pay for both the NBA and MLB packages to watch the Knicks/Yankees but who doesnt take advantage of the internet to watch/download some stuff for free.

  117. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Just got home. Looks like I missed a good’un. Looking at the box score, it’s pretty clear to me that we would have lost without Fields. Also, he put up better numbers than Amar’e, and if you’ve forgotten, a reminder: 1/36th of the price. Just sayin’.

    Maybe we should trade him to Denver.

  118. BigBlueAL

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Just got home. Looks like I missed a good’un. Looking at the box score, it’s pretty clear to me that we would have lost without Fields. Also, he put up better numbers than Amar’e, and if you’ve forgotten, a reminder: 1/36th of the price. Just sayin’.Maybe we should trade him to Denver.  

    Seriously, a subtle dig at Amar’e tonight?? Was that really necessary??

  119. rrude

    Haven’t posted in a while but this was too good. The difference in the game was the Gallo 3 to put us up mid 4th and the Fields 3 to keep us there when we really needed it. Loved the D by a number of Knicks. Gallo early on Lebron and Shawne f’ing Williams later. Extra E has earned a real contract next year. He looks like an actual NBA player and will have a better career than Jordan Hill IMO.

    Loved that we could have easily lost this game (like a few lately) and we played D, hit the shots we could, when we could, and won it.

    Amen, BigBlue. I suppose some people are parsing out where everyone of their tax dollars goes, too.

  120. jon abbey

    1. I’m of course glad we won, but honestly Miami mostly just played terribly. LeBron looked like he just heard Delonte and his mom started things up again, pretty sure I’ve never seen him anywhere close to that bad for a full game. we played far far better in the win against San Antonio, and even in the win in Portland.

    2. Chandler does indeed look Jeffrightened, amazing how mental the game can be sometimes.

    3. the incessant whining about the officials every single time things don’t go our way really pulls down the quality of game threads. LeBron was getting pummelled all night and got almost no calls, that’s just the way they called this one.

    4. THREE POINT GOAL, DAH NEE LO GAH LIH NAH RAY!

  121. Jimmy C

    I just now read Fields’ stat line. Ridiculous. And particularly impressive considering he was pretty nonexistent in the previous two Heatles games. Could be wrong on that though.

    Hate to sound hyperbolic, but a win like this could be a season-changer for the better.

  122. BigBlueAL

    Yeah but Jon the Knicks played pretty terribly too. These are the type of games they never win. Plus they were 1-15 when trailing going into the 4th quarter and they came back and won tonight with great D and timely/clutch baskets that came off ball movement.

  123. Frank

    Awesome win! Gallo was unbelievably clutch in the 4th but I have to take him to task for one thing. On the Heat’s last possession down 3 with ten seconds left, how can Gallo possibly leave his man wide open in the corner to help on lebron driving to the hoop. The guy had a totally wide open three because Gallo brainlessly tried to help prevent a 2.
    Ok that’s all the nitpicking I’ll do. Great win!

  124. Robert Silverman

    Just to end this, a conversation about the costs of paying for cable v. watching games online could be worthwhile/interesting, it’s just that Thomas and Doug were veering into personal attacks. If y’all want to keep talking about it, please continue, just in a civil manner, k?

  125. BigBlueAL

    Frank: Awesome win!Gallo was unbelievably clutch in the 4th but I have to take him to task for one thing. On the Heat’s last possession down 3 with ten seconds left, how can Gallo possibly leave his man wide open in the corner to help on lebron driving to the hoop. The guy had a totally wide open three because Gallo brainlessly tried to help prevent a 2.
    Ok that’s all the nitpicking I’ll do. Great win!  

    I thought that was Fields who left Chalmers open??

  126. jon abbey

    BigBlueAL: Yeah but Jon the Knicks played pretty terribly too.These are the type of games they never win.Plus they were 1-15 when trailing going into the 4th quarter and they came back and won tonight with great D and timely/clutch baskets that came off ball movement.  

    right, the difference is that I don’t think the Knicks are very good right now, at least until Felton, Gallo and Chandler come back to life, at least two of those three. Miami’s effort level was pitiful, they looked like a 19-62 team in the last week of the season. outside of Jones’ 5 3s, the rest of the non Wade/James Heat had four baskets COMBINED, and 3 of those were from Joel “1 inch range” Anthony.

    a win is a win, and a win against Miami is sweet, but this is not a season turner. Felton or Chandler coming back to life might be a season turner.

  127. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Yeah, guys. This really isn’t the place for intellectual and broadcast property debates. You should really look into Academic Search Complete, though, if you want to have a discussion that’s deeper than:

    Q: You thief!

    X: I’m broke!

    Q: So get a job!

    X: No you!

    The arguments put forth in academic circles are enriching. Look into it.

  128. Owen

    Amazing to come to Knickerblogger these days. Somebody turned the lights on. No way I am getting through all the messages on this thread. It was a cinch in the Isiah Era….

    Didn’t see the game but I wish I had. Landry’s line is making my eyes water. 19 points on 13 possessions with 13 boards and 6 assists. Just a thing of beauty….

    Also, Felton’s trajectory is eerily similar to Duhon’s, who through his first couple months in 7SOL was an absolute beast, which people forget. His ts% was in the upper 50′s and I cleary remember him being a top 25 fantasy player. He burned out badly though and Felton looks to be doing the same….

  129. BigBlueAL

    Oh I totally agree tonight isnt a season changer, hell I would be surprised if they dont get whooped tomorrow in Atlanta. But trust me this wasnt the first time the Heat have looked like this, plus Wade ft’s aside sure looked his usual amazing self.

    Knicks deserve credit for not lying down in the 4th when they couldve being down 9 to start the quarter. They played aggressive and forced the Heat to win it down the stretch and considering they are now 1-8 in games decided by 5 points or less we shouldnt be too surprised they looked clueless on offense with the game on the line.

  130. Doug

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Yeah, guys. This really isn’t the place for intellectual and broadcast property debates. You should really look into Academic Search Complete, though, if you want to have a discussion that’s deeper than:Q: You thief!X: I’m broke!Q: So get a job!X: No you!The arguments put forth in academic circles are enriching. Look into it.  

    “NO U” is actually how I end most, if not all, of my arguments.

  131. TheRant

    jon abbey: 1. I’m of course glad we won, but honestly Miami mostly just played terribly. LeBron looked like he just heard Delonte and his mom started things up again, pretty sure I’ve never seen him anywhere close to that bad for a full game. we played far far better in the win against San Antonio, and even in the win in Portland.

    Just got back from the game. Big smile on my face.

    It isn’t true that we won solely because Miami played terribly. We were looking at the scoreboard with about 15 minutes to go — we had shot 38% and they had shot 48%. Yet we were down by about 6.

    Both teams had their troubles. But one very hopeful sign for the Knicks was our bench play. Extra E had a nice offensive spurt and also a bunch of great D. Turiaf had some bad moments (at one point he was open about 4 feet from the basket and chose to pass out) but other times he took it to the hole. DWTDD also did some typically boneheaded fouls but also made some smart plays.

    Mostly it is amazing to watch because you can put your eyes on Landry and just see how he is ALWAYS in the right place and doing the right thing. And Gallo looked like his legs were tired Q1 but had his swagger back at the end.

    Wade was scary good for the first three quarters. We thought he would go off for 50 and personally sink us. But in the end, there just wasn’t that much going on on the Miami side of the ledger, once the big three are injured/tired or just making poor excuses for themselves. I can tell you for sure that LeBron wasn’t shooting poorly because of Wade’s migraines.

  132. rama

    Rant – I am so jealous! The Garden sounded as of old…or at least, oldish, like 1999.

    As for paying or not, I work with intellectual property and don’t in this particular case feel all that bad about it, because 1) I pay for cable, I’m just not always at home to watch, and 2) the feed has all the ads, which is where nets make most of their money anyway, so I’m still serving the machine. And giving the NBA money for league pass, what with already having cable, what with rich and often nasty owners like Sterling and Dolan, what with watching the ads on my computer instead of my TV at home…it isn’t something I feel morally obliged to do.

    Jon – we made them play poorly. Sure, there were a few open looks that didn’t go down for them, but there was also Wade going 14 of 15 at one point. We took away LeBron and made the rest beat us. With Bosh, maybe they would have – but this is one of those 90s games where we made the other team play poorly. And we didn’t play great, but that had something to do with facing one of the best defensive teams in the league, and besides, we never quit and continued playing smart share-the-ball hoop even when things looked bad for us.

  133. jon abbey

    rama: Jon – we made them play poorly.  

    oh, horseshit. for whatever reason, LeBron looked less motivated than I’ve ever seen him, holding the ball casually all game, standing still, and virtually never passing. how about just holding the ball after getting a rebound with more than 3 seconds left in the half? I’ve never ever seen that in a non-blowout, maybe not even then. do you really think Shawne Williams really picked game #45 of the season to show up on D for the first time?

    there have been games this year where NY has played really well, but this wasn’t one of them. just because a team has a terrible offensive game doesn’t necessarily mean the other team forced them into it.

    anyway, a win is a win and we could certainly use it. but like I said above, until Felton and/or Chandler get it going again, we’re just not that good.

  134. tastycakes

    LeBron is still dealing with an ankle problem.
    No Bosh and ineffective LeBron gave us an opening against a superior team. Nice to see we took advantage for a change,
    Promising showings from Fields and Gallo and a legitimately positive defensive effort! We get two guys stepping up to support Amar’e like that, and play some semblance of D, and we can beat most teams.
    Unfortunately, of late, there just haven’t been enough of those things falling into place, and Chandler’s sudden precipitous decline is still a major concern.

    Not sure what some of you were complaining about with the broadcasting. The Marv/Reggie/Steve combo is one of the best teams out there and they frequently paid homage to many of the positive things going on in Knickland. And Barkley was even advocating for Fields as ROY! Great to see the team perform so well on National TV. I was supposed to fly to NYC today on Jetblue, would’ve watched from my seat, good thing I was home, because I almost certainly would have caused major distress among my fellow travelers watching this one :)

  135. Thomas B.

    BigBlueAL: I apologize for somewhat chiming in on their argument.  

    I wasnt arguing. Was mostly kidding as is my habit. The initial statement responded to a dropped feed post. I offed NBALP as a solution. It then became a question of affordability. I offered a solution (jokingly) to get a job. Then dude reads it as I’m calling him a monster, which I did not do. I even said I am in no position to criticize because i cannot relate with being a student who either cannot purchase or does not want to purchase NBALP. I did say that using those feeds is stealing but I did not attach a moral position to that (I never said it wrong, bad, monstrous). I said he is free to do what he likes. Anyone can read the posts to see that–assuming that Robert hasn’t deleted them. :-) I must say I am baffled as to why the exchange was defined as an argument and threatened with deletion.

    Anyway, not super impressed with the win. Knicks shot very poorly for most of the game, as did LBJ. Wilson still looks awful. Douglas is not running the 2nd unit well.

    jon abbey made very valid points about the game which echo my own takeaways from this one. Heat basically had Wade, JJ, and not much else. LBJ missed open jumpers so dont go saying it was a defensive effort. If anyone took LBJ out of the game, it was Wade.
    Seems like when Wade gets going LBJ can’t for whatever reason.

    Happy to get a W. Liked Fields’ contributions in wake of the MIA Chandler. Happy that Felton knocked down the FTs and how about a little love for Mr. Turnover (STAT) making a very nice decision with the ball to find Fields for the breathing room three. I was thinking turnover or bad shot but he surprised me.

  136. Brian Cronin

    Douglas is not running the 2nd unit well.

    Yeah, one of the worst things about the Unit is Douglas running the show. These guys might be able to not totally suck if they had a real point guard running things.

    Man, do I hate the Unit. They make me use a word like “suck”! Only the Unit gets me mad enough to say that they “suck”!

    Why does D’Antoni keep going back to it!??! Just mix in some Stat or some Gallo in there! Or let Douglas play with the main guys a little (like he did to start the fourth).

  137. John Kenney

    So uh…. Sheridan says Fields big game means he’s probably gonna be traded to Denver..”logically.”

    HOW CAN I HATE ONE MAN’S OPINION SO MUCH???? Hahahah this is a good reason why Sheridan is a reporter and could never be a GM (unless he was BFF’s with the owner like someone we know.)

  138. Thomas B.

    @302 big agree with the composition of the second unit. I havent checked 82 games but a floor unit of Douglas, Walker, Williams, Turiaf, makes me curl into a fetal position in my shower. And if recent Chandler is the 5th man, then your offense has trouble with a capital T which rhymes with P with stands for Points. Oh our offense has trouble, trouble scoring points right here.

    Sorry about that, lack of sleep makes me break out into show tunes.

    Anyway, those four should not be on the floor at the same time. You can get away with any two of them on the floor but MDA has to avoid a critical (or should I say shit-ical) mass of those player on the floor.

    The problem is that Douglas plays better when a post option is on the floor while Walker and Williams dont need a post as much but the do need ball movement. So when Walker and Williams are with Felton they dont do so bad. And when Douglas has Stat, it helps a bit. But when Douglas is with Walker and Williams without Felton or STAT then everybody suffers.

    I will give Douglas credit for his energy on the defensive side. He plays the passing lanes and keep pressure on the ball. If he was just stop Nate Robinsoning on the screens.

  139. Doug

    Thomas is either not a Simpsons fan, or he is not very good at picking up on hyperbole. “History’s greatest monster”, indeed.

  140. Thomas B.

    Doug: Thomas is either not a Simpsons fan, or he is not very good at picking up on hyperbole. “History’s greatest monster”, indeed.  

    Worst post ever. :-)
    I picked it up. Just thought I’d have fun with it. Of course, not everyone will realize that we adults can have banter and remain civil so I have to be careful with my playful banter. I don’t want to have to change names and gravatars again. ;-)

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