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Monday, December 22, 2014

2011 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Clippers

The New York Knicks  (26-24, 14-10 at home) host the Los Angeles Clippers (19-32, 3-18 away).  The Knicks won the previous meeting in L.A. 124-115.  In the last meeting, Amar’e Stoudemire (39 points, eFG% 58.3) and Danilo Gallinari (31 points, eFG% 81.8) lead the Knicks’ overall efficient shooting night (eFG% 53.3).  Unfortunately, the Knicks defensive eFG% was not good as polished.  The Clippers’ eFG% of 58.9 would usually translate into a victory, however the Knicks overcame this significant advantage with a combination of their own efficient scoring and a huge advantage in free throws made (43 to 22).

If the Knickshope to win this game, they must not allow the Clippers to score as efficiently from the floor as they did in the last meeting.  This is of particular importance considering the the Knicks are not scoring as efficiently from the floor as they did earlier in the season. 

 Knicks  Offense          
  Pace EFF eFG% TO OREB% FT/FG
  96.2 110.1 51.4 14.5 24.2 24
Rank 2 7 8 3 24 7
 Knicks  Defense          
  Pace EFF eFG% TO OREB% FT/FG
  96.2 109.5 50.6 15.8 28.4 23.4
Rank 2 23 22 11 26 17
 Clippers  Offense          
  Pace EFF eFG% TO OREB% FT/FG
  92.3 106.2 49.6 17.4 29.9 23.5
Rank 14 18.5 15 29 4 9
 Clippers  Defense          
  Pace EFF eFG% TO OREB% FT/FG
  92.3 109.2 50.3 14.7 26.2 26
  14 20 18 23 17 27

From the above four factors, we can see that the Knicks’ eFG% is a respectable 51.4 (8th in NBA). However, over the last 10 games the Knicks eFG% is less impressive49.6, which is equal to the Clippers (15th in the NBA).  If you take out the 66.9 eFG% in the previous game against the 76ers, the eFG% drops to 47.7 (25th place).

What to watch for 1: Blake Griffin.

There is no need to rehash what Griffin ( eFG%  51.6, 21.6 points/36) did against the Knicks in the last meeting, you can’t watch an NBA highlight reel of this season without being reminded of it.  Hopefully, the Knick front line remembers and develops a plan to keep Griffin from getting the ball on fast breaks or deep in the post.  Griffin converts 67% of his shots at the rim and he averages 7.4 of those per game.  He is far less effective away from the rim hitting  43% of shots inside 10 feet that are not at the rim.

155 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Clippers

  1. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Spree8nyk8: Firsties!  

    That’s fine, as long as I have firsties on stabbing you with the stale waffle cone left under Eddy Curry’s driver’s seat.

  2. Spree8nyk8

    Hey if anyone has a stream link for tonites game I’ll need it, comcast doesn’t have NBAtv and league pass has it blocked.

  3. Spree8nyk8

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    That’s fine, as long as I have firsties on stabbing you with the stale waffle cone left under Eddy Curry’s driver’s seat.  

    Np as long as you don’t mind getting yo ass kicked for tryin :)

  4. TDM

    Fortunately for the Knicks, Eric Gordon is still out until late Feb. Randy Foye has been no slouch the past 7 games, but he’s not as consistent as Gordon and doesn’t distribute the ball as well.

    The knicks really need to get this win against a decent Clips team, especially with the Sixers nipping at their heels a mere 2 1/2 games back.

  5. Spree8nyk8

    So did Melo really kill this crap why I was asleep? Because i can’t imagine Denver ever trades him if he’s saying even “maybe”

  6. Jimmy C

    Predictions:

    1) Knicks win 110-98.

    2) Moz gets a double-double.

    3) Blake Griffin reveals to the world that his new haircut is really a helmet meant to protect him from unintended suicide.

  7. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Spree8nyk8:
    Np as long as you don’t mind getting yo ass kicked for tryin :)  

    I know “Muffins” has had some money problems, but I’m pretty sure he won’t get angry over a stale waffle cone. Probably has a whole sleeve of ‘em in the pantry.

  8. Brian Cronin

    That was inadvertent, of course, but seemed like something the 1994 Knicks would do on purpose. ;)

  9. Brian Cronin

    This is more embarrassing than the typical pathetic Knicks 1st quarter defense.

    Yeah, embarrassing is the perfect word for it. It is one thing if Griffin was doing great moves, but he isn’t.

  10. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin:
    Yeah, embarrassing is the perfect word for it. It is one thing if Griffin was doing great moves, but he isn’t.  

    Baron Davis is penetrating like he was still with the Hornets.

  11. Brian Cronin

    Baron Davis is penetrating like he was still with the Hornets.

    And the Jordan alley-oop? What the hell?!

  12. BigBlueAL

    I feel like turning this game off and turning it back on in the 3rd quarter. I still have too much of the 90’s Knicks in me to watch this utter lack of interest in defense or effort of any kind in the 1st quarter.

    I mean I predicted it earlier today but still doesnt make it easier to watch.

  13. art vandelay

    I swear someone should go look at opp fg % in first quarter this season…I swear it seems like teams shoot +60% almost every game….sometimes +70%….it is ridiculous how bad their defense is in the first quarter….total lack of effort defensively…reminds me of teh game in philadelphis last week right now….I would say opp fg% gets progressively worse as game goes along as they tighten the screw slowly but surely…if ONLY they could put in a modicum of effort at the defensive end in the first half!

  14. Brian Cronin

    What kills me is that Knick big men get beat to every loose rebound. Every.

    Only Fields ever gets to loose rebounds.

  15. Jimmy C

    Wait, I got it: Mozzy Bear… waka waka waka!…. Ok I stole that. But it was too good not to share.

  16. BigBlueAL

    Finally, a good defensive possession. Only time I like seeing TD in, at least I know he will bring it on the defensive end. Ditto Shawne Williams believe it or not. He struggles sometimes but its not for a lack of effort on his part.

  17. Brian Cronin

    Totally agree about Extra E and extra effort. He’s a terrible 4, but not for lack of effort!

  18. Brian Cronin

    That was meant to sound less like an insult, as I really do think Extra E plays with a lot of effort. He’s just playing way out of position.

  19. Brian Cronin

    After I wrote that, I did realize it is only four shots, and two of them were on the same basket, so perhaps I’m being unfair.

  20. art vandelay

    Still waiting for the day when the knicks play an “easy” game at home and beat a team easily that they should….instead of slug it out for 3 quarters and turn up the d in the 4th to secure the victory….another reason why amare and felton never get any rest….maybe against cleveland…MAYBE!

  21. BigBlueAL

    If the Knicks really want to trade for Melo they better hope they arent watching this game because Chandler and Gallo’s trade value off this game tonight must be plummeting lol.

  22. Spree8nyk8

    Yeah Brian, not sure what’s into you lately but you’ve definitely been heaping portions of frownie fries lately.

  23. BigBlueAL

    Spree8nyk8: Yeah Brian, not sure what’s into you lately but you’ve definitely been heaping portions of frownie fries lately.  

    Leave Brian alone, he and I just like venting during game threads. We are more sane before and after games lol.

  24. Brian Cronin

    The Knicks are acting like there is a monster in the basket, as they don’t want to drive towards it at all. That last shot was the worst, though. Pulling up to take that shot was insane.

  25. art vandelay

    I like when they look to post chandler on a smaller player like davis due to the height/power differential…so they isolate him…and he fades away on a difficult jumper instead of take the ball to the rack or post.

  26. latke

    BigBlueAL: This is turning into a Knicks better do whatever they can to get Melo game.  

    Perhaps they should first try running a play before there’s like 7 seconds left on the shot clock.

  27. Brian Cronin

    I like when they look to post chandler on a smaller player like davis due to the height/power differential…so they isolate him…and he fades away on a difficult jumper instead of take the ball to the rack or post.

    Yeah, that’s exactly why I thought that was the worst shot yet.

  28. Spree8nyk8

    Well if I had to guess Melo saying that he’ll reconsider the extension if he doesn’t get moved was probably super damaging to the Knicks efforts to get him.

  29. BigBlueAL

    Spree8nyk8: it’s a five point lead with Stat on the bench all second quarter, relax  

    Oh Im not worried, I predicted earlier tonight the usual Knicks play like crap 1st half before playing great in the 2nd half and pulling away for the win.

  30. d-mar

    Please, Donnie, no matter how many teams get involved in a trade, do NOT bring Baron Davis to NY. He’s the type of player Isaiah would have grabbed in a heartbeat.

  31. art vandelay

    Well, his coming out and saying he might sign the denver extension, while may not killing the knicks chances to get him, certainly damaged their chances of getting him without including fields or gallinari I believe.

  32. TheXman

    art vandelay: Well, his coming out and saying he might sign the denver extension, while may not killing the knicks chances to get him, certainly damaged their chances of getting him without including fields or gallinari I believe.  

    Playing like this no one can save this freaking team

  33. Spree8nyk8

    Well unfortunately for the next two weeks I think we’ll see a lot of games like this. I mean these guys don’t wanna get shipped out and gutsy heartfelt play is probably going to be one way to run you out of town right now. Sucks but until the Melo thing is done I think it’s going to have some very bad effects on this team.

  34. art vandelay

    Yes, their play in first half kind of reminded me of knicks from last year when just about the entire team was on an expiring contract and didn’t expect to be back for 2010-2011.

  35. d-mar

    I guess Mozgov vs. Jordan was a wash, neither played a shred of D, and both players got to dunk at will. Did they have some sort of secret agreement before the game not to guard each other?

  36. drewbreez

    @KnickinSeattle

    I second that. Melo and Chris Paul will end up Knicks though, especially if James Dolan is at the wheel. (He is.) The Knicks are playing like there is a total lack of confidence between players and management. Only D’Antoni and Amare’s jobs are safe. Love what Mozgov is doing right now despite that. Noted. Even Anthony Randolph still hasn’t gotten over the trade rumors in preseason. Chandler the same. The open-court marauding has been curtailed and now we’re an average running team in a more athletic running league. I hope Walsh survives this because he’s a great New York president.

  37. ess-dog

    Spree8nyk8: Well if I had to guess Melo saying that he’ll reconsider the extension if he doesn’t get moved was probably super damaging to the Knicks efforts to get him.  

    This just in: Melo’s an idiot.

  38. gregory arkadin

    I wish STAT would learn how to handle the double team better. Teams can strip force him into turnovers, just like the Knicks were able to do (sometimes) to Olajuwon in the 94′ finals. As soon as he starts to post up in the paint and turns his back to the defender, help comes and he’s stripped. He needs to expect that it’s coming and, like Hakeem learned, either shoot quickly or keep his head up and find the open man. He loses his vision in these situations.

  39. tastycakes

    I am going to have to bring back the Donte Greene Memorial Award if DeAndre Jordan and fucking Ryan Gomes keep killing us the way they did in the first half.

    Getting tired of this team. Will the real Felton & Chandler please stand up?

    Glad to be able to root for Fields and Moz and Gallo. Amar’e has been very spotty lately, though of course I’m glad he’s ours.

  40. gregory arkadin

    Oh Amar’e…2 charges…no one else is shooting well, how are they going to weather this.

  41. Spree8nyk8

    Think i’m gonna have to refrain from this board during games for a bit. Nothing is more bitter than 100 angry knicks fans lol

  42. Jimmy C

    I can see it now:

    “We just didn’t bring enough energy tonight,” said Stoudemire. “If we want to win, we have to play with energy.”

  43. latke

    basically what this game is proof of is that we should really trade for a guy like anthony randolph.

  44. KnickInSeattle

    Something hugely wrong with the players tonight, and with D’Antoni too.

    None of the starters deserve to still be on the court except Moz and yet many of them are.

    It really seems there’s something going on internally…some internal and substantiated trade rumor perhaps.

    A truly unacceptable performance by almost all.

  45. art vandelay

    Just looks like a team that doesn’t care all that much….can’t be a tired team…they hadn’t played since sunday….

  46. Nick C.

    This just sux. Mozgov is the only guy having even a mediocre game. Reminds me of those hateful Isiah teams, including the run from down 20.

  47. Jimmy C

    KnickInSeattle: It really seems there’s something going on internally…some internal and substantiated trade rumor perhaps.

    Let’s hope that’s not the case, because if poor performance is indicative of being involved in the trade, that means we’re trading Felton, Fields, Stoudemire, Chandler, Gallo, Williams and TD for Melo.

  48. latke

    Baron davis has already played 32 mins on the second night of a back to back. I’m hoping the legs give out a little. He’s really the key to their offense.

  49. David Crockett

    I hate the Clippers. They take almost all bad shots or dunks. Some nights they hit wretched shots, like Randy Foye.

  50. David Crockett

    latke: Baron davis has already played 32 mins on the second night of a back to back. I’m hoping the legs give out a little. He’s really the key to their offense.  

    They have an offense?

  51. d-mar

    It’s like I’ve been saying over and over, give the ball to Toney Douglas and let him take over the game (-:

  52. drewbreez

    Young squad doesn’t have enough to finish against NY. We luck out after playing uninspired defense. OR Blake finds the gall he had at the beginning of the game and makes a legend of himself.

    We shall see.

  53. David Crockett

    Terrible decision by Douglas to walk away from Foye. Jeez, you weren’t even really doubling.

  54. TheXman

    BigBlueAL: How pathetic to lose because you cant stop Randy Foye.  

    I mean some people hit the lottery, it’s a joke tho that they didn’t come out to play the first 2.75 quarters.

  55. David Crockett

    BigBlueAL: How pathetic to lose because you cant stop Randy Foye.  

    He’s living off the space created by Blake Griffin. I hate that he’s even hitting closely guarded shots.

    Even guys who stink have the occasional night where they hit shots.

  56. BigBlueAL

    Doug:
    serious question: What was Fields supposed to do? He tried to step over Jordan’s screen but still got eaten up.  

    What you do is not allow him to hit a bunch of wide open shots where it gets to the point he is so hit he will hit anything he throws up.

  57. TheXman

    cilppers are really a .500 team, they could prob make the playoffs. This knicks team would be one of the bottom feeders in the West.

  58. art vandelay

    we shouldn’t be ticked off at foye…if it is not foye it is some also-ran who kills the knicks in these games…their defense is so pourous….not surprising…you name the killer player of hte night…bargnani, etc.

  59. BigBlueAL

    Well, at the very least those Knicks should do anything to get Melo articles/analysis will be in overcharge for the next couple of days.

  60. TheXman

    how many alley oops and dunks can u give up, i mean good effing god. we have to shoot lights out to win every game, or something.

  61. d-mar

    If you’re a betting man, put your money on any mediocre Western conference team that comes into MSG, and don’t bother with the points. Kings, Suns, Clips… I’m selling my Grizzlies and Hornets tix ASAP. (have we swept any team this year?)

  62. micdan

    well count this one and friday we are back to 500, and i hope they dont lose to the nets on friday because if they do, i will worried and think that we may lose on getting to the playoff because philly and indy are getting close to us

  63. latke

    Foye doesn’t matter. The Clippers came out begging to give the game away. They turned the ball over, missed anything that wasn’t a dunk, and played absolutely no defense. The knicks decided to just play along. Pretty soon, the Clippers actually started to believe they could steal this one, and then they started making a couple of hard shots.

  64. totti

    latke: Foye doesn’t matter. The Clippers came out begging to give the game away. They turned the ball over, missed anything that wasn’t a dunk, and played absolutely no defense. The knicks decided to just play along. Pretty soon, the Clippers actually started to believe they could steal this one, and then they started making a couple of hard shots.  

    +100

  65. latke

    Regardless, the poor/inconsistent play is going to continue until the melo issue is resolved. I’m telling ya’ll though, we would have won that game if Anthony Randolph played. No one was making threes. No one was playing defense. If we just had a guy in there with the mobility to stay with the Clippers bigs, we could have stopped (as David Crockett pointed out) the Clippers only way of scoring.

  66. art vandelay

    btw, the guy above who said amare and d’antoni are the only dudes whose jobs are safe on this squad was wrong….we can scratch d’antoni off that list…I would say STAT and maybe herb williams, as he seems to survive just about everything.

  67. art vandelay

    I think it is time to cease and desist on the anthony randolph for president commentary going forward…regardless of whether he would help the team…the dude has played his last game as a knick melo or no melo….that much appears clear.

  68. TheXman

    micdan: to the nets on friday because if they do, i will worried and think that we may lose on

    Mike K thinks our poor guard play will allow the sixers to past us. I say we go for the 8th seed and get a better draft pick for Jimmer.

  69. art vandelay

    Knowing this team, I predict they beat the lakers on friday and then lose to Jersey on saturday.

  70. BigBlueAL

    The Knicks didnt lose because they couldnt cover the Clippers bigs. They lost because they couldnt cover the Clippers guards and keep them from penetrating at will.

    Davis had 16 assists for God’s sake. He, Foye and Bledsoe combined for 56 pts and 26 assists. The rest of the team combined for 6 assists so it wasnt like they were scoring because the Knicks had to double team the Clippers bigs and they were kicking out for wide open shots (yes it did happen some but not alot).

    Hell the Clippers only outrebounded the Knicks by 4. The real culprits tonight was the horrible perimeter D by especially Felton and Fields.

  71. art vandelay

    I think we can safely agree that they lose because, outside of douglas, they showed very little inclination to guard any clipper inside or out…on the perimeter or in the paint….knicks were criticized early on for only beating weak opponents due to soft schedule…but if they had continued to do that they would easily be 5-7 games over .500 now instead of a very mediocre 26-25….beating the woebegone teams is essential in order to fatten up the record so I never bought that as a sign of their not being a solid team….now that they are NOT beating them it clearly is a sign of them not being ready to enter that middle of the pack of the east.

  72. art vandelay

    I am starting to join the melo camp slowly but surely so long as we have d’antoni as head coach…if we are going to play this style and outscore opponents….only way to feasibly accomplish that is with elite scorers….until they change their style of play, they will need a melo to become a contender…

    of course, if they fire d’antoni and decide to change up the offensive and defensive scheme, then I think maybe they can field a strong team with the current squad while adding other essential pieces (big guys who can rebound and back-up PG).

  73. nicos

    Embarrassing! Timo played like he didn’t want to get put on another poster- zero interior defense. Fields was horrible on D and not much better on O. With the exception of when he was guarding BD Gallo was awful on D, repeatedly failing to close out on Gomes and while he got to the line his poor shooting and 4 turnovers sure didn’t help. Amare getting himself into needless foul trouble. Chandler looking asleep for half of the game, Felton giving up too much penetration, the list goes on and on…
    Was it bad enough that Donnie ups his offer and includes Fields? I’d be stunned if the Knicks did anything that included Gallo but another loss Friday and I’d very surprised if Fields isn’t added to the Knicks offer.

  74. Jimmy C

    I really can’t wait to see D’Antoni’s comments after this one.

    “We just couldn’t hit our shots. That was the problem.”

    No, Mike. That’s not the problem. The problem is your philosophy, which assumes that the more possessions you have than your opponent, the more likely you are to win. Of course, making shots on those extra possessions counts for something. But you cannot ignore the fact that no one — NO ONE — has won a championship with this kind of pathological disdain for defense. Sure, maybe if Stat and Diaw don’t leave the bench after Horry’s hip check, the Suns win the title. Complete hypothetical.

    The problem is, having more possessions than your opponent almost by definition assumes that your opponent has more turnovers. Which, in turn, means they’re either a) so flummoxed by the CRAAAZY tempo of the game, they turn the ball over (which can happen), or b) your defense is good enough on its merits to force those turnovers (happens not very often), or c) some combination of the two. Or that you get more offensive rebounds (laughable).

    But if you advance this kind of approach to defense, that basically eliminates the possibility of b). Which leaves you with a), or the idea that teams unaccustomed to our CRAAAAZY tempo turn the ball over at a higher clip. But here’s the thing about SSOL: it’s a style that a lot of guys in the league would PREFER to play, if they had a choice. They LIKE playing that style. Sure, we may be BETTER at it, because we “practice” it more, but it’s also true that the SSOL style feeds into the natural instincts of many an NBA player. We’ve seen it countless times this year: teams who basically do what we do, and do it better. And they play better defense.

    Just sayin': for SSOL to truly work requires players with a very specific skill set. We have some of those pieces, but until we recognize that, at some point, valuing possessions ON DEFENSE is paramount to winning actual basketball games, it’s not…

  75. d-mar

    It’s disturbing on many levels, but mostly because:

    1) Clippers were on a back to back, and we haven’t played since Sunday, and we’re the team without energy?
    2) Clips were missing their leading scorer
    3) Clips are an awful road team (just like the Kings)
    4) Baron Davis (or the player formerly known as Baron Davis) had 16 assists
    5) We made Randy Foye look like Kobe Bryant

    Did I miss anything?

  76. d-mar

    Were we really even discussing 50 wins a while back? I guess it’s still acheivable, all we have to do is go 24-7 the rest of the way!

  77. Jake S.

    Glad to see some long overdue D’Antoni vitriol finally find its way onto this forum. So now that the Knicks legs are starting to give out and they can’t keep shooting at the torrid pace they were at the beginning of the season, they’ve reverted to their Isiah-era form. What a shocker. Other middling Eastern Conference playoff contenders like Indiana and Philadelphia will eventually pass this group because it’s completely incapable of grinding out wins. If the Knicks find a way to squander their 16-9 start and somehow finish below .500, the coach needs to go. There’s too much talent on this roster for this bullshit.

  78. Jake S.

    And how many times is this team going to get torched by some second rate, combo guard? It’s like the Knicks were put in this league to enable guys like Randy Foye and Kyle Lowry to post career nights.

  79. Jimmy C

    Jake S.: Glad to see some long overdue D’Antoni vitriol finally find its way onto this forum.

    I want this team to succeed. We all do. In a strange way, I admire D’Antoni’s stubbornness when it comes to SSOL. If I had a choice between watching this team win a championship with SSOL, or watching them win a championship through tenacious defense and conservative-yet-effective offense — like the ’08 Celtics — I’d absolutely take the former. In a heartbeat. I think, at it’s best and most efficient, it’s beautiful to watch — sheer poetry in motion. But we’ve only been at our best in spurts that are becoming fewer and farther between.

    Given what we’ve watched the last decade, we need to keep things in perspective, and in that sense .500 is more than welcome. But that doesn’t mean it’s not still disappointing.

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