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Wednesday, September 24, 2014

214 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Cavaliers

  1. dubisaweapon

    TDWTDD tonight?

    I think the trade was probably the best thing that could’ve happened for Toney. Having Billups as a mentor is gonna turn this kid into a monster.

  2. NateRobinson

    No Toney will not turn into a monster. He has had games like this, his problem is that offensively he does little impact when he does not score. He needs to learn how to break defenses down more for easy points in the paint not three pointers…

    My one wish for today, Rebound!

  3. dubisaweapon

    NateRobinson: He needs to learn how to break defenses down more for easy points in the paint not three pointers…

    Right, and that’s why it is great he finally has a mentor around to help him learn how to run the point. There’s no doubt he plays hard, if he starts playing smart he’s going to be nasty.

  4. GHenman

    dubisaweapon: TDWTDD tonight?I think the trade was probably the best thing that could’ve happened for Toney. Having Billups as a mentor is gonna turn this kid into a monster.  (Quote)

    Amen

  5. GHenman

    NateRobinson: No Toney will not turn into a monster. He has had games like this, his problem is that offensively he does little impact when he does not score. He needs to learn how to break defenses down more for easy points in the paint not three pointers…My one wish for today, Rebound!  (Quote)

    This is only his second year in the league. It took Chauncey 3 or 4 years and several teams before fe came into his own.

  6. BigBlueAL

    Billups and Turiaf are out tonight, Jeffries starts for Turiaf.

    Wont be able to watch most of the game but should be home for final quarter, hopefully its a breather like the 4th quarter was vs the Hornets.

  7. latke

    So who is the 4th big? Jeffries, Amare, Shawne Williams……. Shelden Williams or Derrick Brown? We really are going to need another guy with some heft to him if we want to have any chance in the playoffs. Jared Jeffries cannot guard Shaq or Howard.

  8. Robert Silverman

    latke: So who is the 4th big? Jeffries, Amare, Shawne Williams……. Shelden Williams or Derrick Brown?   

    Renaldo Balkman, baby!

  9. latke

    from the last thread:

    dubisaweapon: Interesting read about the Melo-Stat duo:http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1529Haven’t even finished it myself, but this is definitely worthy of everyone’s attention.  

    I was worried after the six or so typos in the first two paragraphs, but the stats are interesting and the conclusion pretty much aligns with my opinion about the Knicks’ future prospects. They have a shot, but it’s a long shot and will take some transformative changes on ‘melo and Stoudemire’s parts as well as some luck in terms of acquiring good role players.

  10. Ben R

    latke: I was worried after the six or so typos in the first two paragraphs, but the stats are interesting and the conclusion pretty much aligns with my opinion about the Knicks’ future prospects. They have a shot, but it’s a long shot and will take some transformative changes on ‘melo and Stoudemire’s parts as well as some luck in terms of acquiring good role players. latke

    Yeah it is exactly what I believe as well, not only about our team but the Heat too. I predicted the Heat to only be good and not great and offensively they are about what I expected, good, but prone to stetches of selfish and stagnant offense, but the thing about the Heat which I didn’t foresee and the thing that makes them a contender is their defense. We will need that kind of defensive focus if we ever want to be able to really contend.

  11. marxster

    I’m starting to believe that it may be better to use Turiaf to maybe get another big man given that he’s out every other game. Guy and the team just can’t get into a rhythm this way.

  12. ww007

    marxster: I’m starting to believe that it may be better to use Turiaf to maybe get another big man given that he’s out every other game. Guy and the team just can’t get into a rhythm this way.  

    Who else is gonna be our over-the-top cheerleader???

  13. Kikuchiyo

    Who guessed in the summer that we’d play a March game with this lineup on the floor:

    Shelden Williams
    Shawne Williams
    Anthony Carter
    Billy Walker

    and Carmelo Anthony

    lolwut?

  14. Count de Pennies

    Here we go again… why is it so freakin’ hard for us to deliver a knockout blow to an 11-win team?

  15. Doug

    Count de Pennies: Here we go again… why is it so freakin’ hard for us to deliver a knockout blow to an 11-win team?  

    Because Baron Davis is making contested threes from like 28 feet out.

  16. latke

    anthony randolph looking pretty terrible for minnesota. 0 rebounds in 17 minutes. I click in to the box score and immediately greeted with “anthony randolph misses a 17 foot jumper”. Meanwhile, we’re half-assing it again, making Luke Harongody as good as Amare by choosing not to guard him.

  17. Frank O.

    What a weird, balanced night. 4-5 knicks starters in double figures, but Jeffries has 0 points but leads knicks with +15 on the night.:)

  18. Nick C.

    Frank O.: Not sure why the Knicks’ opponents so often shoot so well from 3  

    Good question considering the wing players are completely different for the most part from two weeks ago.

  19. totti

    Thanks again for yesterday’s thread.

    It should be an easy game for knicks, supposed they all commit on defense.

  20. Brian Cronin

    Efficient Melo is fun! I wish the team would play better defense as a whole, though.

  21. DS

    latke: anthony randolph looking pretty terrible for minnesota. 0 rebounds in 17 minutes. I click in to the box score and immediately greeted with “anthony randolph misses a 17 foot jumper”.

    He picked it up a little bit: 6-10; 12 points; 4 assists; 2 blocks; and a steal. But yes, 2 rebounds (though Love picked up the slack w/ his 23), -8 +/-, and a loss for the Wolves.

  22. tenebrous

    true he just needs to flick the wrist

    dubisaweapon:
    Right, and that’s why it is great he finally has a mentor around to help him learn how to run the point.There’s no doubt he plays hard, if he starts playing smart he’s going to be nasty.  

  23. art vandelay

    Orlando-Chicago score is 78-69 with 3 mins. left in the entire game..contrast that with the current score of this 88-85 run-and-gun affair!! hah

  24. latke

    samardo samuels is pretty good. definitely has the winning attitude. Harongody = Nick Fazekas?

  25. Kikuchiyo

    Another disaster looming.

    I’d prefer a hobbled Chauncey in a suit out there rather than Carter and Douglas.

  26. Frank O.

    Un-fucking believable.
    What is with opposing teams and 3 pt????
    How do the Knicks give up this many 3s????
    WTF!

  27. Z

    Yup, that’s why we traded our entire starting lineup for Melo– so Shawne Williams can take the big shot!

  28. Frank O.

    They blow several 12 pt leads and give up threes to one of the worst teams in basketball

  29. Frank O.

    Z: Hey– it’s our go-to play! Amar’e catch and shoot for 3. Works every time!  

    practically

  30. TheXman

    how can you not beat the worst team in the nba that tied the longest losing streak in franchise history without their leading scorer?

  31. TheXman

    There is no way the knicks hold on to the 6th spot by the way, the sixers are a solid team that actually beat teams they’re supposed to. I don’t mind the 7th seed, at least it’ll be against the Bulls or the Heat, we’re 2-2 somehow against the Heat and undefeated against the Bulls.

  32. TheXman

    tastycakes: That Melo play down 2 was awful.Superstar my ass.  

    Well he sucks, the knicks organization deserves it for gutting their team for a very overrated player. We’ll have to put up with this for another 4-5 years before we can rebuild again.

  33. David Crockett

    That was one awful defensive performance.

    NY made not one single defensive adjustment on the high screen roll all night. Didn’t trap it or blitz it a single time. About the only NY big who didn’t set an additional pick on our guards was Extra E.

    Amare scored 41 but he gave a bunch back in shots to his guy and wide open looks on that high screen roll. Cleveland shot lights out but they got open looks every time. We had to hit more and more contested shots.

  34. Kikuchiyo

    Time to put the “MVP” chants to rest. I propose the following chant for Stoudemire:

    “Gifted Offensive Player! Gifted Offensive Player!….”

    But MVP? Hardly.

  35. Jake S.

    I know it’s easy to succumb to hyperbole at a moment like this, but this team sucks. I’m sorry, I don’t care how long they’ve been playing together, your two best players have to be able to beat a collection of D-leaguers and Baron Davis’ bloated corpse. There’s no F-ING way this group is getting out of the first round. And the rest of the decade looks bleak.

  36. DRed

    Extra E and Jeffries combined to score 3 points in 50 minutes of court time. I know scoring isn’t everything, but that’s just unacceptable.

  37. hoolahoop

    The collapse started with about two minutes left when “Do-It-Alone Toney Douglas” drives into three Cavs and turns it over. TDDWTDD.
    Even though he’s been playing better lately, I hate his game. He’s just not good enough to always be looking to shoot.

  38. TheXman

    melo 0-2 against the cavs as a knick, at least he has a winning record against d-wade and lebron which will help us in the playoffs.

  39. Jake S.

    Oh F that. This game is on Amare and Carmelo Anthony. They don’t rebound, they don’t play defense. They let mediocrities like JJ Hickson and Samardo Samuels piss on them for 48 minutes. Just pitiful.

  40. hoolahoop

    Kikuchiyo: Time to put the “MVP” chants to rest. I propose the following chant for Stoudemire:“Gifted Offensive Player! Gifted Offensive Player!….”But MVP? Hardly.  

    Then, what will we chant for melo

  41. GHenman

    Billups would have made all the difference. Killing Melo and Stat for this loss is silly.

  42. CRJoe

    Jake S.: Oh F that. This game is on Amare and Carmelo Anthony. They don’t rebound, they don’t play defense. They let mediocrities like JJ Hickson and Samardo Samuels piss on them for 48 minutes. Just pitiful.  

    Don’t forget about Luke “Who dat???” Harangody… 18 points and 4 boards off the bench to actually outplay every Knick who doesn’t earn the GDP of a small country…

  43. Jake S.

    GHenman–how exactly? They’re superduperstars. They can’t will a team to victory against one of the worst teams in the history of the league? Twice they lose to this team!? Please.

  44. outoftowner

    The Cavs just oddly have our number. So far, it hasn’t spilled over into games against other teams – the Knicks just beat Miami and New Orleans this week. Its frustrating, but I don’t know how significant this is in the grand scheme of things.

  45. dsulz

    The game is on the whole team. I think that some of the comments tonight are a little over the top. It may be true, we may have gutted our team for an overrated superstar. But we honestly won’t know that for awhile. This loss stunk enough to stand entirely on its own. Our defense was just appalling. Let it remain

  46. Jake S.

    If they need Billups and a decent center to get by the worst of the worst, it’s hard to feel hopeful about their chances against the best of the best–fluke win vs. Miami notwithstanding.

  47. dsulz

    The game is on the whole team. I think that some of the comments tonight are a little over the top. It may be true, we may have gutted our team for an overrated superstar. But we honestly won’t know that for awhile. This loss stunk enough to stand entirely on its own. Our defense was just appalling. There’s plenty of bitterness in just this loss alone without doomsday speculations about what it portends.

  48. GHenman

    Jake S.: GHenman–how exactly? They’re superduperstars. They can’t will a team to victory against one of the worst teams in the history of the league? Twice they lose to this team!? Please.  (Quote)

    Jake S.: GHenman–how exactly? They’re superduperstars. They can’t will a team to victory against one of the worst teams in the history of the league? Twice they lose to this team!? Please.  (Quote)

    The offense got stagnant in the fourth. I beleive Billups could have kept the offense flowing. If you’re going to beat up on the Knicks best players even when they play well, you might as well be a Nugget fan.

  49. CRJoe

    GHenman: A healthy Billups and a decent center and Knicks win easily.  

    I completely agree, and that’s exactly the problem… A team like the bobcats doesn’t have a healthy Billups and a decent center, and they still handle their business better against teams like Milwaukee and Cleveland … What does that say about the rest of our roster???

  50. Son of Tastycakes

    Throughout the game I thought they would lose because they have no cohesion both on offense and d. Pathetic display. I’m now worried that the trade was a huge mistake.

  51. GHenman

    Jake S.: If they need Billups and a decent center to get by the worst of the worst, it’s hard to feel hopeful about their chances against the best of the best–fluke win vs. Miami notwithstanding.  (Quote)

    We were at full strength against Miami. We weren’t tonight. This was the fluke.

  52. CRJoe

    Shad0wF0x: I love how it seems that different people show up depending on a win or loss.  

    Hehehe, I’ve actually only been in this blog for a few weeks, and whenever I actually have the time to sit down and troll around the web the Knicks lose… Starting to think there’s a weird connection there…

  53. hoolahoop

    Shad0wF0x: I love how it seems that different people show up depending on a win or loss.  

    Yeah, some of the knick apologists have nowhere to hide after a game like this. Those are the same guys who think if you say anything critical about the knicks you’re not a real fan and should find another team.

  54. Jake S.

    Scoring a ton of points is not playing well. Stoudemire let his ego get in the way of the Knicks offense down the stretch. He got into a pissing contest with Hickson and lost. And when was the last time this guy grabbed 10 f-ing rebounds. Melo turned the ball over six times and his perimeter defense was disgraceful. I’m sorry, they deserve to get killed tonight. I let the first loss in Cleveland slide but doing this (again) at home is inexcusable.

  55. GHenman

    CRJoe: I completely agree, and that’s exactly the problem… A team like the bobcats doesn’t have a healthy Billups and a decent center, and they still handle their business better against teams like Milwaukee and Cleveland … What does that say about the rest of our roster???  (Quote)

    Our roster is not complete. We definetly have holes to fill. Center is the biggest one. I would not have made the trade, but I am glad we have Billups.

  56. tenebrous

    td reminds me of Starks when he chocked in that final game trade td he doesn’t want got be here

  57. hoolahoop

    They should have put this team away when they were up by double digits. The goal of an underdog is to just hang around and keep it close cause you never know.

  58. GHenman

    Scoring a ton of points is playing well. Stoudemire is not a great rebounder. Never has been. He’s still one of the top players in the game.

  59. CRJoe

    GHenman:
    Our roster is not complete.We definetly have holes to fill.Center is the biggest one.I would not have made the trade, but I am glad we have Billups.  

    Dude I totally agree with you, but I think that those issues speak poorly of our “superstars”… Take for instance the Thunder (pre-Perkins), what would happen if they play the Cavs without Westbrook??? I honestly don’t think they would lose at home, much less twice in a row (home and away in this case). And that’s with them losing their 2nd best player, and being a team that’s not even in contention (pre-Perkins)…

  60. daJudge

    Maybe the coaching staff could use some help devising strategy on the defensive end. I’m not being sarcastic. Really. No close out on the three by the guards or the proper switching by the player, time and time again. The D seemed a lot like my ‘Y” league where you say, “let him shoot that sh-t…” In other words, the defense is not really giving respect to professionals, like Baron Davis. This seems to be a recurrent theme….no? I really do not know how you can put the hair shirt on Amare though-is he supposed to defend the guards shooting the 3′s? Come on….I had a terrible day at Court (it sucked) and a terrible night watching this mess unfold. What a waste to combine this drek with the awesome Allman Brothers Band. Need to move on to Sunday. Remember, the eagle flies on Friday. It can’t fly soon enough.

  61. tenebrous

    What home these guys don’t even know where they’re located

    Jake S.: Scoring a ton of points is not playing well. Stoudemire let his ego get in the way of the Knicks offense down the stretch. He got into a pissing contest with Hickson and lost. And when was the last time this guy grabbed 10 f-ing rebounds. Melo turned the ball over six times and his perimeter defense was disgraceful. I’m sorry, they deserve to get killed tonight. I let the first loss in Cleveland slide but doing this (again) at home is inexcusable.  

  62. tenebrous

    what superstars an 11 n 47 or 8 team just wipped them with a leach at that

    CRJoe: Dude I totally agree with you, but I think that those issues speak poorly of our “superstars”… Take for instance the Thunder (pre-Perkins), what would happen if they play the Cavs without Westbrook??? I honestly don’t think they would lose at home, much less twice in a row (home and away in this case). And that’s with them losing their 2nd best player, and being a team that’s not even in contention (pre-Perkins)…  

  63. tenebrous

    The rest of the league is probably saying we Knicks oh ok well cruise right over them too

  64. GHenman

    I think you have to look at those guys for what they are and not just slap a label on them. It’s a frustrating loss, but Cleveland has beaten some good teams lately, and they also have a ton of confidence against us. I think they play harder against STAT because his reluctance to go there probably cost them Lebron.

  65. dsulz

    We need to rebound from this loss. I will say that. This loss will haunt our fuckin’ team like a goddamn abusive mother if we do not go into Atlanta and take care of business. They may be a better team than we are, it don’t matter. The longer this loss sits on the shelf unanswered, the more it will mess with the whole team’s head.

  66. totti

    Don’t fall in desperation.
    You are forgetting that Billups is your best player by far.
    In sport you never know.

    Real problems are:
    1 The money, paying stat and melo the price miami paid their three cut the possibility of upgrading the team at center and pg back up positions.
    2 The big 3 excepted, the rest of the team is mediocre or overrated (any reference to fields is intentional).

  67. tenebrous

    what is up with stat he doesn’t take any charges ohh I forgot he’s too good to take a foul

  68. tenebrous

    They should have had this butthey didn’t now bilups is gonna play ago when he is still hurt

  69. GHenman

    dsulz: We need to rebound from this loss. I will say that. This loss will haunt our fuckin’ team like a goddamn abusive mother if we do not go into Atlanta and take care of business. They may be a better team than we are, it don’t matter. The longer this loss sits on the shelf unanswered, the more it will mess with the whole team’s head.  (Quote)

    We can’t rebound. That’s our problem.

  70. BigBlueAL

    Ive been a big fan and supporter of D’Antoni, but tonight was the final straw. This game is entirely on him. The utter lack of defense is becoming beyond pathetic. The only teams they cover decent are teams like the Heat who just go iso all the time and you dont need to strategize for, just cover them one-on-one and thats it. Any team who on offense just runs any type of play with any type of pick involved its an automatic basket for them because the Knicks have no concept whatsoever of team defense.

    Also for all the obvious people blaming Melo and Stat for the loss, they combined to score 70 pts on 48 fga. The team shot 55% and outrebounded the Cavs. They lost because they unfathomably allowed the Cavs to shoot 50% plus go 12 for 21 from 3pt range.

  71. Jake S.

    GHenman–so then what does it say that both of their stars played well and they STILL lost to the worst team in basketball? If you can’t raise a few red flags after two straight losses to Cleveland, I’m not sure when you can.

  72. tenebrous

    stat is tired needs a rest md should b benching him for teams with losing records

    tenebrous: What home these guys don’t even know where they’re located
      

  73. GHenman

    True Al,but they’ve only been together a week. Tough to learn any defensive schemes that fast. That is the problem with blowing up the team every year. The coach has to keep going back to square one while other teams are able to add more and more wrinkles as the team plays together more.

  74. tenebrous

    I blame the camera angles if the camera angles were eye level for us this game would have been a win

  75. jon abbey

    just somehow a bad matchup, people, chill. as someone said above, thankfully we won’t draw them in the playoffs. we may, on the other hand, draw Chicago, who we’re 2-0 against.

    I was a little surprised by that charge called on Melo at the end, I thought the player got outside the circle, but he undercut Melo a bit. I thought it was a borderline call, which generally goes to the star in that situation.

  76. GHenman

    Jake S.: GHenman–so then what does it say that both of their stars played well and they STILL lost to the worst team in basketball? If you can’t raise a few red flags after two straight losses to Cleveland, I’m not sure when you can.  (Quote)

    It says it will take more than a week to develop cohesion on the defensive end of the floor.

  77. Jake S.

    The Knicks just match up really badly with Alonzo Gee and Ryan Hollins. Beware Boston! Move over Miami! There’s a new sheriff in the Eastern Conference!

  78. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey: just somehow a bad matchup, people, chill. as someone said above, thankfully we won’t draw them in the playoffs. we may, on the other hand, draw Chicago, who we’re 2-0 against.I was a little surprised by that charge called on Melo at the end, I thought the player got outside the circle, but he undercut Melo a bit. I thought it was a borderline call, which generally goes to the star in that situation.  

    I thought the charge when he hit Shawne for the 3pter was worse because of how late the charge happened. I cant stand when a player passes the ball then a step later after releasing the pass he runs into a defender and its a charge. Plus yes that last charge was bogus because of how late the defender got there but whatever, by that point they deserved to lose anyway.

  79. tenebrous

    someone call stern that was not an offensive foul on elk (melo) stern r u watching … anyway no d is no d

  80. Jake S.

    Alright, clearly I’m the lone crab on this beach. I’m just putting it out there that a game like this never would have happened if Patrick Ewing was still alive. Melo and Stat are nice players, but I’m dubious they’re enough to crack the top four in the conference. And given their cap room and dearth of draft picks over the next five years, I’m not sure how they’ll be able to add another three solid rotation players. You guys want to play it cool, all the power to you. But there are problems here.

  81. tenebrous

    The league is bad in letting us know what is exceptable or not every nights it’s a different story … so Knicks r out of the playoffs

  82. CRJoe

    dsulz: We need to rebound from this loss.I will say that.This loss will haunt our fuckin’ team like a goddamn abusive mother if we do not go into Atlanta and take care of business.

    BigBlueAL: Ive been a big fan and supporter of D’Antoni, but tonight was the final straw.This game is entirely on him.The utter lack of defense is becoming beyond pathetic.

    +1 to you 2…
    D’Antoni needs to get someone to design a defense, because he is terrible at that… I wouldn’t mind seeing him gone in the summer, but if we take a level approach to it, and just bring a defensive minded assistant (a-la Thibodeau in Boston), then we’re in business…

    The other thing is that now more than ever we need statement games, we’re hitting a really tough stretch now, and putting poor teams aside (Indy and utah), we definitely need a W against Atlanta or Memphis, take a game like it matters for once…

  83. Jake S.

    Yes, the Knicks have won a few games. And I’m sure they’ll win more than a few more. I just don’t know how you can comfortably say that this will be an elite team in the next few years when their top dogs get beat twice by a bunch of stiffs.

  84. BigBlueAL

    CRJoe:

    +1 to you 2…
    D’Antoni needs to get someone to design a defense, because he is terrible at that… I wouldn’t mind seeing him gone in the summer, but if we take a level approach to it, and just bring a defensive minded assistant (a-la Thibodeau in Boston), then we’re in business…The other thing is that now more than ever we need statement games, we’re hitting a really tough stretch now, and putting poor teams aside (Indy and utah), we definitely need a W against Atlanta or Memphis, take a game like it matters for once…  

    Winning in Miami and blowing out New Orleans at home w/o Billups are “statement” games. They just need wins period, doesnt matter against who or where.

  85. daJudge

    Same frustration as Big Blue Al, but same perspective as Jon Abbey. But Jon Abbey, I don’t think our team should have been in the position to leave it up to the ref’s to decide the game. We allowed too many damn points, which is a recurrent theme. I also believe that defense is not just effort. I think you probably can be decent at D through sheer effort. But, just like offense, it is not just effort and talent. Both skills are enhanced big time by teaching, even at this level. IMO, defense generally can definitely be taught and enhanced in the NBA. Maybe even more so than scoring. I do not see this happening on the Knicks. I think they definitely lack the talent on D, but also lack the teaching and sometimes the effort. Just my view.

  86. tenebrous

    Stat should not b upset all he has to do is stay on the bench or take some charges and wake ur d up

  87. GHenman

    Jake S.: Alright, clearly I’m the lone crab on this beach. I’m just putting it out there that a game like this never would have happened if Patrick Ewing was still alive. Melo and Stat are nice players, but I’m dubious they’re enough to crack the top four in the conference. And given their cap room and dearth of draft picks over the next five years, I’m not sure how they’ll be able to add another three solid rotation players. You guys want to play it cool, all the power to you. But there are problems here.  (Quote)

    Agreed there are challenges, but we only need a couple of things to happen. Billups has to hold up for about 3 years, which is possible since speed isn’t his game anyway. And Walsh has to find a decent big man who can shoot, rebound and play decent defense. This is going to be the hard part. Mozgov might have developed, but that was not a sure thing. I’m thinking Dalembert would work if we can sign him.

  88. GHenman

    Owen: Who is playing it cool? Lol…Man I wish Blair and Lawson were on this team…  (Quote)

    Lawson makes Felton look slow getting up and down the court.

  89. nicos

    I know there’s a ton of new faces but the Knicks gave up 119 points despite most of their “best” defensive players getting plenty of burn- Carter, Douglas, Jeffries, and Williams all logged at least 22 minutes. NOne of the Knicks’ bigs can cover the high screen and roll at all- not just Amar’e but Williams and Jeffries all got burned and guards didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory either. Sessions and Davis both got in the paint with ease forcing rotations leading to either drawn fouls or offensive rebounds. On O Stat was the ball stopper tonight- Carmelo really didn’t hold the ball all that much but having Jeffries and Carter on the floor at the same time really allowed the Cavs to pack it in leading to all those turnovers for Stat and Melo.

  90. Jake S.

    Dalembert would be a nice start, but I don’t think a mid-level exception is going to lock him up (assuming, of course, there still is a mid-level exception to be offered). And if they do sign him or someone like him, then they no longer have room for another max free agent. Oy. On all fronts tonight.

  91. tenebrous

    well they will win as long as they won’t play anyone

    Jake S.: Yes, the Knicks have won a few games. And I’m sure they’ll win more than a few more. I just don’t know how you can comfortably say that this will be an elite team in the next few years when their top dogs get beat twice by a bunch of stiffs.  

  92. Owen

    I haven’t seen a faster player than Lawson on the court this year. Tiny bolt of lightning.

    Amazing watching the spurs roll the heat with Neal, hill, Blair and bonner playing critical roles.

  93. tenebrous

    take out md??? no what md needs to do is bench them for playing like that that would make a statement

    BigBlueAL:
    +1 to you 2…
    D’Antoni needs to get someone to design a defense, because he is terrible at that… I wouldn’t mind seeing him gone in the summer, but if we take a level approach to it, and just bring a defensive minded assistant (a-la Thibodeau in Boston), then we’re in business…The other thing is that now more than ever we need statement games, we’re hitting a really tough stretch now, and putting poor teams aside (Indy and utah), we definitely need a W against Atlanta or Memphis, take a game like it matters for once…  Winning in Miami and blowing out New Orleans at home w/o Billups are “statement” games.They just need wins period, doesnt matter against who or where.  

  94. CRJoe

    GHenman: If we get Dalembert, I don’t think we need another Max Guy.  

    Yeah but that’s on the assumption that Billups will hold up for 3 years… And I would still be dubious, honest to God you think we’re one Sam Dalembert away from contention???

  95. Jake S.

    Sadly, I’m with CRJoe. It may be their biggest, but the Knicks have more holes than the Center position.

  96. tenebrous

    No were competing for this year

    CRJoe:
    Yeah but that’s on the assumption that Billups will hold up for 3 years… And I would still be dubious, honest to God you think we’re one Sam Dalembert away from contention???  

  97. GHenman

    LA, Boston, and SA are all getting old. Everyone else has just as many holes as we do. Except maybe OKC.

  98. tenebrous

    U haven’t seen dbrown either

    Owen: I haven’t seen a faster player than Lawson on the court this year. Tiny bolt of lightning.
    Amazing watching the spurs roll the heat with Neal, hill, Blair and bonner playing critical roles.  

  99. tenebrous

    Okc who? we just need someone to guard the tall skinny 3point lightsout shooter Jeff is not quick enough who can do it Galo probably but he’s on the old Knicks team not sure who can do it stat can’t do it either that 7 footer that we signed for 10′days last year if he’s available maybe Andy but Andy is not playing md use what u have not what u dont

    GHenman: LA, Boston, and SA are all getting old.Everyone else has just as many holes as we do.Except maybe OKC.  

  100. tenebrous

    Dbrown pissed mj off he’s really cocking but that’s what ny likes

    GHenman: I live in Charlotte and I haven’t seen D Brown.Probably for good reason.  

  101. Jake S.

    Good thing we cut Corey Brewer. I can’t stop whining. This loss really did me in tonight.

  102. Jake S.

    I think rooting for two and half men is starting to bum me out. Silverman’s paen to Gallo kind of summed it up. I felt like I was rooting for laundry tonight.

  103. tenebrous

    holes, it’s not a hole it’s a wide open ocean

    Jake S.: Sadly, I’m with CRJoe. It may be their biggest, but the Knicks have more holes than the Center position.  

  104. tenebrous

    Corey brewer cannot guard durent so what good is he

    Jake S.: Good thing we cut Corey Brewer. I can’t stop whining. This loss really did me in tonight.  

  105. tenebrous

    it’s simple if ur the 3, 4 or 5 and u don’t take a charge u should be benched, fined, sent for community service and asked to practice in the dark

  106. tenebrous

    I don’t think u would say that if u had to play them urself though maybe cory yes

    Jake S.: Derrick Brown stinks and so does Corey Brewer.  

  107. tenebrous

    How true the truth is and no not that dude on Boston wow I can’t even remember his name guess an all star not on the knicks is a forgotten figure

    Jake S.: I think rooting for two and half men is starting to bum me out. Silverman’s paen to Gallo kind of summed it up. I felt like I was rooting for laundry tonight.  

  108. tenebrous

    Were talking offense on d it would have to be switch but dbrown can def poke some ball out of ur ss

    Jake S.: I’d go Samardo Samuels on Derrick Brown’s ass.  

  109. Thomas B.

    Kikuchiyo: Time to put the “MVP” chants to rest. I propose the following chant for Stoudemire:“Gifted Offensive Player! Gifted Offensive Player!….”But MVP? Hardly.  

    So you want us to chant G.O.P.? No thank you.

  110. tenebrous

    joengai: tenebrous, you need to shut the fuck up  

    Say something interesting and maybe I will … Have a good weekend to u too

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