And So This Is Christmas

But with all respects to John Lennon, war is not over, at least for the Knicks and Bulls. This is a rivalry that heated up in the mid-90s. Heck it went nuclear. Between 1989 and 1996, these two teams ended each others season 6 of 8 times. During this time, New York was Chicago’s toughest adversary.

1989 - Bulls 4-2 - Second Round
1991 - Bulls 3-0 - First Round
1992 - Bulls 4-3 - Second Round
1993 - Bulls 4-2 - Third Round
1994 - Knicks 4-3 - Second Round
1996 - Bulls 4-1 - Second Round

Granted this match-up doesn’t hold the same gravitas as it once was, but it’s no longer the yawn fest it recently has been. Currently Chicago and New York hold the third and fifth positions respectively in the Eastern Conference. Hence there is a jostling to be the best of the second tier teams after Boston, Miami, and Orlando. Winning this battle is important, because it’s the difference between a first round sweep and a fighting chance at the second round.

The teams are similar in some respects. Both feature strong play from the PG and C positions, and both play at a fast tempo. In fact they play at exactly the same pace, 96.6 poss/g, which is good enough for second in the league. However they differ with respect to how they accomplish their goals. Chicago is 19th on offense and 9th on defense, while New York is 6th on offense and 22nd on defense. Chicago has the league’s best defensive rebounding team, an area the Knicks are below average (21st). On the other hand the Bulls turn the ball over too often (25th), which is New York’s only defensive strength (tied for 13th). The pace should be vacillating, but don’t expect the Knicks to walk over the Bulls defense.

Some notes from ESPN’s Stats and Information:

* Christmas Day is the anniversary of Bernard King setting the Knicks franchise record with 60 points against the Nets (1984). But, the Knicks lost the game 120-114. Bernard King’s performance in 1984 still stands as the single-game scoring mark to beat on Christmas Day.

12/25/84 Bernard King, NY        60 vs NJ
12/25/61 Wilt Chamberlain, PHI   59 at NY
12/25/66 Rick Barry, SF          50 at CIN
12/25/63 Jerry West, LAL         47 at NY
12/25/02 Tracy McGrady, ORL      46 vs DET

Former New York Knick Dick McGuire, Knicks President Donnie Walsh, Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, Bernard King and Patrick Ewing (R) stand on the floor when the Knicks honor franchise legends at halftime of the game against the Orlando Magic at Madison Square Garden in New York City on March 23, 2009. (UPI Photo/John Angelillo) Photo via Newscom Photo via Newscom

*The Knicks have already beaten the Bulls once this season. The Knicks went into the United Center and beat the Bulls 120-112 behind a career-high 30 points (off the bench) from Toney Douglas and 20 points and 10 assists from Raymond Felton. New York had 70 points at the half (and led by 18).

*The return of Carlos Boozer has made all the difference to the Bulls, who have finally found a solid low-post scorer. Since Boozer’s first game, he has 128 points in the paint, one of the top marks in the NBA.

Most Points in the Paint Since Dec. 1, 2010
                   Points in Paint
Amar'e Stoudemire, NY    180
Blake Griffin, LAC       172
Zach Randolph, MEM       146
Dwyane Wade, MIA         146
LaMarcus Aldridge, POR   140
Russell Westbrook, OKC   134
Dwight Howard, ORL       130
Luis Scola, HOU          130
Carlos Boozer, CHI       128
Kevin Love, MIN          128
Tony Parker, SA          128

*Joakim Noah had surgery on his right thumb on Dec. 16. He is expected to be out 8-10 weeks, according to media reports. The Bulls will especially miss his rebounding.

*Derrick Rose is averaging 8.4 assists per game this season, ranking eighth in the NBA. Rose is also averaging 24.3 points per game, ranking seventh in the NBA. This feat is unremarkable in terms of NBA history. It has been done many times in the last five years alone. But it would be a milestone in Bulls history. Michael Jordan is the only Bulls player in franchise history to rank in the top 10 in both scoring and assists (1988-89).

*The Knicks have played a very easy schedule thus far. The combined win percentage of their opponents is only .433. Only the Lakers (.403) have played an easier schedule to this point.

New York Knicks forward Amar'e Stoudemire adjusts his glasses during the first quarter against the Chicago Bulls at the United Center in Chicago on November 4, 2010. UPI/Brian Kersey Photo via Newscom

*Many people think that Amar’e Stoudemire is the front-runner for the MVP award this season. Not even Patrick Ewing finished in the top 3 in MVP voting.

Top 3 Finishes by Knicks in MVP Award Voting
1983-84 Bernard King     2
1969-70 Willis Reed      1
1968-69 Willis Reed      2
(award started in 1955-56)

*Amar’e Stoudemire has made 143 field goals this season inside of five feet. Stoudemire had made 145 field goals this season outside of five feet.

WOLLONGONG, AUSTRALIA - DECEMBER 23: Hawks fans dressed as Santa Claus cheer during the round 11 NBL match between the Wollongong Hawks and the Gold Coast Blaze at Wollongong Entertainment Centre on December 23, 2010 in Wollongong, Australia. (Photo by Mark Nolan/Getty Images)

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30 thoughts to “And So This Is Christmas”

  1. My christmas wishes:

    12 dimes from Ray Felt
    11 boards for Landry
    10 3’s at least
    9 man rotation (some minutes for AR!)
    8 hustle plays from Rony
    7 blocked shots
    6 th man screaming (Rocking holiday garden crowd)
    5 bold dunks!
    4 three’s for rooster
    3 steals for Tony
    2 ally-oops
    1 “Beast Mode” STAT!

    Merry Christmas! Go Knicks!

  2. the one defender who’s shut down Amare one on one in recent weeks was Varejao, and Noah is a bigger version of him, so Amare had better take advantage while he can. he and Boozer of course have a long history in the West, that should be interesting to watch. and if Felton really is an All-Star candidate, this is the kind of head to head matchup where he needs to show it.

    I’m excited, I’ll admit it. that effort against OKC was inspiring, and all this rest this past week should be a good thing. go NY!

  3. If Bulls finish 3rd in the East as they are now and the Knicks finish 6th, would be best case scenario for the Knicks. Unless they some how finish ahead of Orlando and play the Hawks in the 4/5 series but good luck with that. Unless the Knicks can finish 5th and the Bulls drop to 4th.

    Whatever its too early to start worrying about that right now, lets just hope we all have a Merry Christmas by seeing a Knicks victory!!!!

  4. On an unrelated note, do you guys believe Kevin Garnett is getting more All-Star votes than Amar’e? An MVP candidate won’t start the All-Star Game? Probably because he plays 41 games in MSG this season.

    I hope the Knicks beat up on Chicago today. Amar’e and Chandler should be too much for Gibson and Boozer, and hopefully Toney can smoke these guys again. Go Knicks!

  5. Jon, definitely a break that Noah is out. Joel Anthony also played Amar’e pretty well. Certainly, the more defensive-minded centers are going to give him more problems, especially when he doesn’t pass out of double-teams. That said, when he’s hitting the 15-18 footer, he’s pretty unstoppable.

    Toney really had it going for a short stretch early in the season, I wonder if his injury is the reason he regressed or if that is just not sustainable.

  6. Is this the official game thread then?

    Knicks looking good defensively so far but a few lazy passes early.

    Amare plays enforcer on Rose – knocks him hard to the ground!

  7. We’re out of luck here in Canada. Game not on TV and league pass is a blackout. Have some crappy feed on redcard1. Pfff, bummer.

  8. Ah ha! I found the thread.

    Knicks contesting every shot which is good.

    But not rebounding misses, which is bad.

    But I think it’s chiseled morning, and neither team really wants to be playing.

  9. TD and Turiaf run the screen and roll, then team up to trap Taj Gibson and force a timeout! THE DYNAMISM OF DUOS

  10. I just saw Charles Barkley’s 8 East playoff teams and he had the Nets above the Knicks! Wow…Goes to show that, if you talk a lot, doesn’t mean you know a lot.

  11. Seriously, if Douglas and Turiaf can work out an effective PnR, that could mean so many more minutes for the bench.

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