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Wednesday, April 23, 2014

248 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Suns

  1. d-mar

    Now the Bergen Record is reporting the Nets, Denver and Detroit are working on a 3 team deal that would bring Melo, Billups and Hamilton to NJ.

    http://www.northjersey.com/sports/010911_Nets_try_to_involve_Pistons_in_three-team_trade_for_Carmelo_Anthony.html

    I’m sorry, but if Melo continues to insist he won’t sign an extension with NJ, isn’t all this wheeling and dealing kind of like working out all the details for your daughter’s wedding even thought the groom has no intention of showing up?

  2. Robert Silverman

    Spree8nyk8: in other breaking news I just requested a patent on a lightsaber I haven’t invented yet….  

    Lemme know when you do. I really want a lightsaber (unlike Melo)

  3. DS

    Shoot, “tenthies” didn’t work. The Nets would get 3 gaudy players and that would make Prokhorov happy. The Nuggets would get better and younger. And the Pistons would unload Rip and prob. pick up another asset. ‘Melo gets to play in Brooklyn, NY. What could be so terrible?

  4. BigBlueAL

    Starting TD was a disaster. Knicks should absolutely kill this team if they drive to the basket on every possession.

  5. rohank

    and Nash gets the “small white guy looks like he got destroyed on defense so he gets the offensive foul” call

  6. TheRant

    Wow I can’t stand hearing Jax announcing. I appreciate all of his assists, but his Brooklyn shtick makes me cringe with each and every possession.

  7. David Crockett

    Lots of double-clutchy bullshit and overpassing so far. Go strong the the rim and get PHO in the penalty please.

  8. BigBlueAL

    For the love of God stop shooting 3′s and long jumpers when you can get a layup on every freaking play.

  9. art vandelay

    agreed…they need to take the ball to the rack…fortunately the long jumpers have been going down thus far…but they can blow this team away by just being aggressive driving the ball!

  10. rohank

    I love that mark jackson and mike tirico are talking about “what if the fans voted on who is the best knick of all time”. I’m like – we did that here @ Knickerblogger ;-)

  11. TheRant

    rohank: Would like to see the results of an all-time vote rohank

    I’d be inclined to choose Clyde over Ewing, but I think I have a weakness for Clyde.

    And whoever (Jax?) said the fans would pick Nate over Houston was on crack.

  12. art vandelay

    He also said Nate received a huge ovation when he returned to the Garden….Lee did, but from what I recall last season after the boston trade, upon his return the reception was relatively muted….polite applause at best from what I remember.

  13. Jimmy C

    Apparently there’s a third team in this game. There’s three of them and they’re wearing gray shirts.

  14. TheRant

    DS: You are a true masochist if you’re watching Mark Jackson instead of Mike and Clyde tonight.

    I have no choice. The only feed I have is ESPN3, with the rancid Jax WHO WON’T SHUT UP.

    Anyone know where you can drink the audio feed of Clyde?

    I’d love to be listening and glistening to my man.

  15. Robert Silverman

    The Nix could use a big win tonight. Got the Kobes on Sunday. Get Stat/Felton some rest.

    PS – Is there a player in the league more in need of a good nickname than Raymond Felton? Ray-Ray just doesn’t hold water

  16. Brian Cronin

    This game is crazy. The Knicks don’t look very good but the Suns…oh man…the Suns….how the heck are they this bad?!

  17. Robert Silverman

    alknowles: That must have been a Greg Anthony jersey.  

    Greg Anthony wore #50 (and #2 his first year). 15 was Earl Monroe’s # (and Dick McGuire’s)

  18. Spree8nyk8

    This isn’t related to the game, but i just read this on highdea.com and thought it was funny

    fI just read this on highdea.com

    “McDonalds screw up

    Me and my buddy were at a McDonalds, baked, and while we waited in line he told me about the McGangbang. It’s where you order a mcdouble and a mcchicken and put them together. When it was our turn to order we walked to the counter and i said calmly, i’d like a mcgangbang…”

  19. Brian Cronin

    I don’t believe I’ve ever seen this from Nash, and because I haven’t, I’m pretty sure I’m just imagining things, but man…Nash really looks like he’s doing a sort of “Kobe in Game 7″ protest thing. A sort of “really? these are my teammates?” thing.

  20. jaylamerique

    Brian Cronin: This game is crazy. The Knicks don’t look very good but the Suns…oh man…the Suns….how the heck are they this bad?!  

    starting 5 small forwards is the reason. you know your bad when you resort to gimicks

  21. Robert Silverman

    Brian Cronin: I don’t believe I’ve ever seen this from Nash, and because I haven’t, I’m pretty sure I’m just imagining things, but man…Nash really looks like he’s doing a sort of “Kobe in Game 7? protest thing. A sort of “really? these are my teammates?” thing.  

    You think? I mean, the Nix are switching on the PnR, which is leaving ISO’s on Hill or whomever and that hasn’t worked. He’s passed off on dribble penetration to teammates who are getting trapped on the baseline or kicking it out for long 2′s/missed 3′s. I don’t think Nash is purposely tanking, it’s just that his team is THAT bad.

  22. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, you’re probably right, Robert.

    Strange, though. The Suns are playing so poorly. It’s almost awe-inspiring. The Knicks have 834 turnovers, and yet they’re up 10!!

  23. BigBlueAL

    It felt to me like the Knicks played horrible in the 1st half yet they are up 10 and should be up 15-20. Weird game so far.

  24. jon abbey

    they’re making Amare work really hard for his points, not that it’s slowing him down much. Chandler needs to step up in the second half, some more 3s from Williams would be nice too.

  25. rohank

    @79: Did you catch that the guy selling the wacky waving inflatable arm-flailing tube mans was “Al Harrington”?

    LOL

  26. llcoolbp

    felton needs more rest man! he left early 2nd quarter, then came back at the 10:30 mark. Maybe 1 minute rest of game time and only like 3 minutes real rest. Geez! He is absolutely going to break down if Dantoni keeps this up. Starting douglas was retarded. Doughlas has to spell Felton straight up some times. Have some confidence in Douglas, he can play.

  27. llcoolbp

    oh yeah and will the thrill looks really sluggish. Maybe he has been hearing all this “he’s carmelo light” stuff and he’s feeling the pressure.

  28. alknowles

    DReDD: Who’da thunk it, The “Suns East” vs (pre- Amar’e) “Knicks West”  

    Only difference is that the Knicks never had an ex-MVP player. Wouldn’t be surprised if they pull it together unless the Suns get hit with another series of trades.

  29. rohank

    BTW – everyone who said that Melo was replicating Amare should feel very validated tonight. Amare is really looking like a slightly taller Melo

  30. Robert Silverman

    Anyone know what happened to Robin Lopez? He was looking (literally) like another Varejao last season

  31. David Crockett

    Seriously, at some point people are going to have to hedge on that screen with Raymond Felton.

  32. Jimmy C

    Say what you will about SSOL, at its best it is incredibly effective. We’re really finding a rare groove here. Yeah tonight’s been ugly but we really look like offense is just an on-off switch. Interested to see how we defend in the 4th.

  33. Robert Silverman

    Anyone else think Felton’s in, “Oh, so you want to trade me for Nash? I’ll show you!” mode?

  34. art vandelay

    I am not advocating the knicks give up the farm in a trade for melo now….if anything, I would prefer he wait it out and sign him as FA in the offseason, but I find it so humorous that in spite of how TERRIBLE new jersey is as a team, they still have all these wonderful “assets” whereas when the knicks were as bad last year in their pursuit for lebron all the media discussed was how their awful play would turn prospects off…yet that doesn[t seem to be an issue at all for NJ…they are completely chock full of assets….also this idea that denver doesn’t like our players is total bs….they simply don’t want to send melo here because they know he wants to play in NY.

  35. Z

    Robert Silverman: Anyone else think Felton’s in, “Oh, so you want to trade me for Nash? I’ll show you!” mode?  

    If he shaved his head, eat some petroleum jelly, and wore #3, I’d think I was watching Steph out there, circa 2005…

  36. Brian Cronin

    If he shaved his head, eat some petroleum jelly, and wore #3, I’d think I was watching Steph out there, circa 2005…

    Totally.

  37. Brian Cronin

    also this idea that denver doesn’t like our players is total bs….

    Yeah, the notion that they don’t care for/want WC or Gallo is ludicrous.

  38. rohank

    Yeah. The more I watch felton, the more I think that this is really a statement game for him against nash.

    Also, shawne/bill are making up for gallo’s absence

  39. Brian Cronin

    Chandler really off tonight

    I think 4/5th of the starting lineup could have an off night tonight and it wouldn’t matter. The Suns look terrible.

    Still, Felton – wow, what a game.

  40. Brian Cronin

    Why doesn’t Gortat dunk the ball I mean the rim is RIGHT THERE for him.

    There’s been numerous plays like that for the Suns tonight. Wide open lanes and they brick 6-footers instead of driving.

  41. d-mar

    If this game was in NY, and Gortat was playing for the Knicks, the boos would be raining down unmercifully for those 2 missed open layups. Those Suns fans are just too damn nice.

  42. ltmurray

    art vandelay: I am not advocating the knicks give up the farm in a trade for melo now….if anything, I would prefer he wait it out and sign him as FA in the offseason, but I find it so humorous that in spite of how TERRIBLE new jersey is as a team, they still have all these wonderful “assets” whereas when the knicks were as bad last year in their pursuit for lebron all the media discussed was how their awful play would turn prospects off…yet that doesn[t seem to be an issue at all for NJ…they are completely chock full of assets….also this idea that denver doesn’t like our players is total bs….they simply don’t want to send melo here because they know he wants to play in NY.  

    I think they’re mostly talking about all the 1st round picks the Nets have to offer (I think 5 in total), while the Knicks will have none for next year if they don’t trade AR for one.

    The New Yorkers can have him.

  43. Brian Cronin

    I think they’re mostly talking about all the 1st round picks the Nets have to offer (I think 5 in total), while the Knicks will have none for next year if they don’t trade AR for one.

    The New Yorkers can have him.

    If they said that, then yeah, I’d agree with that. But the articles are specifically saying “The Nuggets are not interested in Wilson Chandler or Danilo Gallinari,” which I call BS on.

    And yes, please, New Yorkers, trade for him! That three-way deal sounds quite logical, really.

  44. TheRant

    Z: Walker and Williams have combined for 12 rebounds so far.

    I don’t know the numbers, but the Knicks are out boarding the Suns like it’s nobody’s business.

  45. Mulligan

    Jeez louise. PHX only has 26 board to NY’s 45. We’re also shooting 53.6% from 3. This is ridiculous.

  46. art vandelay

    Is it true, has it been confirmed, that they will really be the Brooklyn New Yorkers???? wow…horrendous

  47. David Crockett

    Z: If D’Antoni doesn’t play Anthony Randolph this quarter, he’s an ass hole.  

    You should be rooting for another Turiaf foul.

  48. jaylamerique

    Z: If D’Antoni doesn’t play Anthony Randolph this quarter, he’s an ass hole.  

    This is the NBA not a charity

  49. Brian Cronin

    If D’Antoni doesn’t play Anthony Randolph this quarter, he’s an ass hole.

    Definitely. But he has to, right? Right? (tell me right!!)

  50. Brian Cronin

    Is it true, has it been confirmed, that they will really be the Brooklyn New Yorkers???? wow…horrendous

    It has not been confirmed, no. Sadly seems very likely, though.

  51. Robert Silverman

    For those bored with the game, there’s a Marc Berman/Steve Adamek twitter flame war goin’ down.

  52. jaylamerique

    wow even the knicks scrubs are killing the suns. When Bill Walker is taking you off the dribble then you know there is a problem

  53. Brian Cronin

    Very good to hear, Robert! Thanks. I wish I could use that for a Sports Legend, but “trust the guy from uniwatch” is not exactly a great source. I mean, obviously, I believe him, he just doesn’t work as a source. :)

  54. llcoolbp

    Felt and STAT can’t play again, feels good, this blowout also feels like I’m getting a breather. Usually our games are so tight.

  55. Brian Cronin

    For those bored with the game, there’s a Marc Berman/Steve Adamek twitter flame war goin’ down.

    What over?

  56. jaylamerique

    This game is really going to help out our pt differential and maybe we crack the top ten of hollingers rankings

  57. Brian Cronin

    Someone made reference to how nice the Suns fans are. That, sadly, is what is likely keeping Nash on this team. There is no way a guy like Nash (or Hill, really), should be wasting their last few productive years on a team this bad.

    And yet, they don’t want to leave.

    Bizarre.

  58. Brian Cronin

    I get Felton wanting the triple double. But that’s it. It should be Felton and four reserves, including Mozgov and AR.

  59. jon abbey

    that’s why, to get his 10th board. nice job, Ray!

    terrible refereeing in this game, thankfully didn’t matter at all.

  60. llcoolbp

    triple double for felt, can he come out already, Stats mean nothing, winning is everything. I can’t believ they would risk injury to these guys.

  61. Z

    Brian Cronin: Nate must have given AR some tips on how to interact with Coach D.  

    Haha.

    Seriously, I usually dread the thought of AR coming in and giving a new name to boneheaded… But if ever there was a time to let him play, this has to be it!

  62. David Crockett

    Z:
    Haha.Seriously, I usually dread the thought of AR coming in and giving a new name to boneheaded… But if ever there was a time to let him play, this has to be it!  

    I still say that turnover vs. Minnesota was the worst in the history of basketball.

  63. Jimmy C

    What a weird sequence. AR drives it hard to the rim and almost breaks a wrist, Mozgov gets ejected

  64. llcoolbp

    Man these guys look rusty. Mozgov just got tossed. Weak. These refs suck. Damn the NBA is so pussy these days.

  65. Brian Cronin

    Did someone just let the air out of the Spurs’ balloon? They barely beat the Pacers tonight. The Heat, meanwhile, continue their 1995-96 Bulls impression.

  66. Brian Cronin

    Man, the annoying thing about garbage time is that the players are always way rusty. I mean, AR can’t be this bad, can he?

  67. JK47

    Anthony Randolph is pretty awesome as comic relief. He’s so horrible at everything basketball-related that he makes me laugh out loud.

  68. jon abbey

    Brian Cronin:
    Freakin’ gay jokes from a professional beat writer? Ridiculous.  

    that doesn’t read as a gay joke to me so much as an extremely merited shot about Berman being Marbury’s personal PR guy for years after he was relevant. never heard of this other guy before, but kudos.

  69. ltmurray

    I know it’s not easy playing only in garbage time, but if this is the Randolph that D’Antoni is seeing in practice, then I can’t really blame coach for keeping AR off the floor — who around the league would give up a first rounder for this guy right now?

  70. Robert Silverman

    JK47: Anthony Randolph is pretty awesome as comic relief. He’s so horrible at everything basketball-related that he makes me laugh out loud.  

    As the last remaining member of the Anthony Randolph booster club…he’s good! I super-promise!

  71. Jimmy C

    Brian Cronin: Man, the annoying thing about garbage time is that the players are always way rusty. I mean, AR can’t be this bad, can he?  

    He might be. I mean, we hadn’t seen more of him than a good-but- not-great college run and some highlights in Golden State. Neither are entirely accurate indicators. He needs some time to develop, but It might not happen under this system.

  72. Brian Cronin

    that doesn’t read as a gay joke to me so much as an extremely merited shot about Berman being Marbury’s personal PR guy for years after he was relevant. never heard of this other guy before, but kudos.

    The knock on Berman is certainly warranted, no doubt about it, he was way too kind to Marbury during his coverage of the Knicks (likely because Marbury gave him inside information). But describing that as saying he’s “servicing” Marbury is unbecoming of a professional sportswriter.

  73. Robert Silverman

    And once again, Landry Fields: 6-6, 14 points, 10 rebounds. Landry Effing Fields, people!

  74. Robert Silverman

    Brian Cronin:
    The knock on Berman is certainly warranted, no doubt about it, he was way too kind to Marbury during his coverage of the Knicks (likely because Marbury gave him inside information). But describing that as saying he’s “servicing” Marbury is unbecoming of a professional sportswriter.  

    Read all the tweets – they get increasingly insulting from both Berman and Adamek. I get the rationale behind the comment, too — Berman going to Marbury on every story was hack-tastic — but you’re right. The homophobia from Adamek is ugly

  75. Brian Cronin

    And once again, Landry Fields: 6-6, 14 points, 10 rebounds. Landry Effing Fields, people!

    Some day, some day, if everything goes well, he might (stress might) be a very good role player.

  76. Brian Cronin

    By the way, I am loving the fact that the Knicks don’t even have to seem particularly interested in a game (other than Amar’e, of course) and they can still destroy a bad team. That’s how good teams work. Love it.

  77. llcoolbp

    2-1 in the next 3 games please! though I’ll take 1-2 and a sweep in our 2 home games after that.

  78. art vandelay

    I love that I can go into a knicks ROAD game feeling confident at the very least they will be in the game if not should win it….in prior years my goal was to still be hanging around by halftime….

  79. jon abbey

    Brian Cronin:
    The knock on Berman is certainly warranted, no doubt about it, he was way too kind to Marbury during his coverage of the Knicks (likely because Marbury gave him inside information). But describing that as saying he’s “servicing” Marbury is unbecoming of a professional sportswriter.  

    still more professional than Berman’s treatment of Marbury IMO, which should have gotten him fired.

  80. Ben R

    Pheonix has some skilled players. Why not try a more traditional lineup. You’ve got two legit centers in Lopez and Gortat, PFs in Frye and Warrick, and a ton of wings. Why march out a lineup with Childress at center? They’re not a great team by any stretch but they had no game plan and it’s like the coach chose his rotations out of a hat.

    Good to see the Knicks take care of business. I’m looking forward to LA on Sunday.

  81. Robert Silverman

    jon abbey:
    still more professional than Berman’s treatment of Marbury IMO, which should have gotten him fired.  

    He works for the NY Post. Making stuff up, going to dubious “sources,” smearing people to increase circulation (remember the Jordan Hill/MD’A non-story Berman flogged last year) — that’s not a fireable offense, that’s their effing job description. They’re shameless conservative hacks. You expect higher standards from the Sports Desk?

  82. Brian Cronin

    Pheonix has some skilled players. Why not try a more traditional lineup. You’ve got two legit centers in Lopez and Gortat, PFs in Frye and Warrick, and a ton of wings. Why march out a lineup with Childress at center? They’re not a great team by any stretch but they had no game plan and it’s like the coach chose his rotations out of a hat.

    Good to see the Knicks take care of business. I’m looking forward to LA on Sunday.

    Yeah, I don’t get it, either. I suppose Lopez and Warrick must have just played even worse in their previous games to get into Gentry’s doghouse.

    Or Gentry must not know what to do when he isn’t coaching one of the greatest point guards ever and one of the best big men in the NBA.

  83. misterma

    @HowardBeckNYT and @LoveThoseKnicks arguing over whether Anthony Randolph sucks. @LoveThoseKnicks is convinced D’Antoni’s got some personal vendetta against the kid. I agree with Becks: Based on visual evidence, he’s sucked. If D’Antoni has a vendetta, it’s against Randolph for sucking.

    And even if that were the case, look at Nate last year. D’Antoni definitely hated him, but when Nate got a shot, he blew up. Randolph, on the other hand, is not coming close to taking advantage of his admittedly limited opportunities.

  84. IMissWillis

    Just wanted to point out that at our SOS for the last ten games is .640 (which only Milwaukee has a tougher schedule at .645) and we are 5-5 with a three game winning streak… with the last 2 being very convincing mind you…

    Know it’s past Xmas and New Year’s but certainly makes me thankful for where we are. All the more appreciative given where we’ve been…

  85. jon abbey

    Robert Silverman:
    He works for the NY Post. Making stuff up, going to dubious “sources,” smearing people to increase circulation (remember the Jordan Hill/MD’A non-story Berman flogged last year) — that’s not a fireable offense, that’s their effing job description. They’re shameless conservative hacks. You expect higher standards from the Sports Desk?  

    this is actually a common misconception, their sports pages are often very good. Joel Sherman is easily the best Yankee beat guy right now, and often breaks national stories. I’d take their sports section every single day over the worthless and usually wrong Daily News, and the massive waste of resources NY Times. just today Peter Vecsey got a rare phone interview with the elusive Kobe Bryant (definitely worth reading). Berman however is an embarrassment.

    (FWIW, I’m a former journalist, worked at Time Magazine for 10 years)

  86. Robert Silverman

    jon abbey:
    this is actually a common misconception, their sports pages are often very good. Joel Sherman is easily the best Yankee beat guy right now, and often breaks national stories. I’d take their sports section every single day over the worthless and usually wrong Daily News, and the massive waste of resources NY Times. just today Peter Vecsey got a rare phone interview with the elusive Kobe Bryant (definitely worth reading). Berman however is an embarrassment.(FWIW, I’m a former journalist, worked at Time Magazine for 10 years)  

    I’ll take your word for it, but Berman and Vescey are such shameless liars, it’s hard for it not to color the rest of the sports pages/journalists.

    Still – I’d take Hahn over either of these guys (and Isola and Lawrence) any day and twice on Sunday

  87. jon abbey

    actually it looks like Newsday might have backed off the pay-only thing, didn’t realize that.

  88. Brian Cronin

    Hooray!

    He is worth it just for the Twitter, but if I can read his articles, too? Awesome.

  89. jon abbey

    ah, the wall goes up again on the 11th. I actually never liked Hahn as much as most here seem to, no big loss for me.

  90. BigBlueAL

    Great night for the Knicks and their point and rebound differentials lol.

    The worst thing about AR tonight to me was his brutal body language. I wouldnt be surprised if next time there is garbage time he doesnt even come off the bench.

  91. Doug

    BigBlueAL: The worst thing about AR tonight to me was his brutal body language.nbsp; 

    Dude, I know. When Felton came out after getting the triple-double, AR gave him one of the most indifferent high fives I’ve ever seen. Basically, he barely made eye contact.

    Also, I have no idea what he’s doing camping out on the 3 point line and trying to spread the floor on offense. He’s no threat to hit a 3 and he’s not fooling anyone. Shouldn’t he be setting up near the elbows, or roving around the top of the key like Turiaf?

  92. Brian Cronin

    Also, I have no idea what he’s doing camping out on the 3 point line and trying to spread the floor on offense. He’s no threat to hit a 3 and he’s not fooling anyone. Shouldn’t he be setting up near the elbows, or roving around the top of the key like Turiaf?

    While I certainly agree that his positioning is absurd, I find it hard to believe that that is his decision. Remember when he actually got into games? That’s the same way he was used – in positions where his skills were nearly useless. It’s like D’Antoni is trying to pound the square peg into a round hole, and I wonder, “Didn’t Donnie Walsh realize that this would happen when he traded for Randolph?” and then I think, “I guess they hoped Randolph would learn an entirely new game during training camp.” Either way, it’s a weird situation. Another thought is perhaps they always intended on trading Randolph in a future deal, and just figured he was the best trading chip they could get for David Lee.

  93. nicos

    Encouraging that TD seems to be returning to form a bit- if he can regain his scoring touch, force a few turnovers on D, etc… then he can be a perfectly adequate back-up for the 10 minutes a night Felton sits even if he does struggle to run the offense. And nice to see Walker hit the boards and hit both his threes- if he and TD can get back to anywhere near their shooting #s from last year all of a sudden the bench, with TD, Williams, and Walker all able to knock down threes, could start being a real plus.
    Looking forward to Sunday- L.A. hasn’t looked like much a championship team yet this year but their size should cause the Knicks all kinds of problems- I think the Knicks will need a repeat of tonight’s performance from behind the arc if they want to get the win.

  94. alsep73

    And even when the Newsday paywall goes back up, most of Hahn’s stuff also winds up on the mobile version of the site, which is A)Not paywall-blocked, and B)Browseable on a computer.

    Just bookmark mobile.newsday.com. A lot of the time, Hahn actually just links to that version from Twitter, since he knows a lot of his followers aren’t Cablevision subscribers and can’t access the proper site.

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