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Monday, April 21, 2014

2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Sixers

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152 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Sixers

  1. Mulligan

    posting something stupid first is the equivalent of making your mark on wet cement or carving your initials in a new desk at school. so tempting!

  2. Spree8nyk8

    Mulligan: posting something stupid first is the equivalent of making your mark on wet cement or carving your initials in a new desk at school. so tempting!  

    Complaining about what someone else posts first is even more juvenile….

  3. Spree8nyk8

    Anyway with a win tonite and against NJ the knicks would lock up the tiebreaker against philly, so basically tonights game should decide the six seed for the most part.

  4. latke

    jeffries often seems to be operating his body with one of those dinky remote controls that come with toy cars.

  5. d-mar

    Being out of town I’m forced to “watch’ the game on ESPN Gamecast. It just said “Jared Jeffries makes 20 ft. jumper” Is that a typo by the gamecast guy?

  6. Mulligan

    d-mar: Being out of town I’m forced to “watch’ the game on ESPN Gamecast. It just said “Jared Jeffries makes 20 ft. jumper” Is that a typo by the gamecast guy?  

    Try firstrowsports.net if you want to actually watch the game.

  7. BigBlueAL

    So far while watching this game I would think the Heat/Celtics would definitely rather play the Sixers than the Knicks. lol

  8. rohank

    ugh. hate those long rebounds – we’re finally boxing out but not getting rewarded for it

  9. art vandelay

    jeffries at the line or really with the ball in his hands is essentially the equivalent of a turnover.

  10. BigBlueAL

    If the Knicks could grab a loose ball on defense the Sixers would have scored at minimum 6 less points.

  11. art vandelay

    nitpicking after a pretty good half…but one thing that is troubling to me is how middling HOF opponents seem to play well against the knicks in consecutive games against hte knicks…so it isn’t just a one-time fluke…do the knicks (amare) not make adjustments defensively? Hansbrough 2x, brand at least 2x, maybe 3x this season….

  12. Robert Silverman

    KnickInSeattle: Just joining…why has Shelden only played 4 minutes?
    Did he get hurt??  

    Nope – Jeffries was doing a solid job on Thaddeus Young, Derrick Brown got some burn in the 2nd quarter and Philly’s been playing Brand at the 5 for most of the game

  13. rohank

    BigBlueAL: If the Knicks could grab a loose ball on defense the Sixers would have scored at minimum 6 less points.  

    Yeah they do seem a step slow.

    Also – can’t decide whether holding the sixers to 41 pts at the half is a product of good defense or a slower game. Doesn’t it all just seem slower out there?

  14. Robert Silverman

    rohank:
    Yeah they do seem a step slow.Also – can’t decide whether holding the sixers to 41 pts at the half is a product of good defense or a slower game. Doesn’t it all just seem slower out there?  

    Bit of both. Plus Philly’s missed a TON of open jumpers. Granted, that’s better than a parade of drives to the net, but let’s not conflate these guys w/Mase, Oak, Harp, Ewing, & Starks.

    Knicks have missed a bunch of gimmes as well for that matter

  15. CRJoe

    art vandelay: nitpicking after a pretty good half…but one thing that is troubling to me is how middling HOF opponents seem to play well against the knicks in consecutive games against hte knicks…so it isn’t just a one-time fluke…do the knicks (amare) not make adjustments defensively? Hansbrough 2x, brand at least 2x, maybe 3x this season….  

    Well Brand is their go to go guy in the post AND their leader in scoring, he is bound to have the best stats most of the nights, so I wouldn’t really consider him a middling hall of famer… He just went 20 & 12 against Bogut…

  16. Robert Silverman

    BigBlueAL: If Melo becomes a consistent/solid 3pt shooter, look out.  

    Similar to how Paul Pierce became a much better 3-point shooter & defender as his career progressed

  17. dogrufus

    Art Vandelay, if you look at the Knicks middling opponent HOF members like Brand or Hansbrough, you’ll notice they tend to play power forward….

  18. BigBlueAL

    Robert Silverman:
    Similar to how Paul Pierce became a much better 3-point shooter & defender as his career progressed  

    Well thats the one guy we compare Melo to in hopes that he follows a similar progression.

  19. latke

    who would have thought that melo would shoot better when he doesn’t give opposing defenses time to zero in on him. Props to melo.

    BTW, Speights would be an ideal bench big for us. Fast, strong, good rebounder, capable of guarding centers. He’s played really well when the sixers go small and fast. Sadly, that hasn’t been the case this season with the brand-centric offense. I wonder if we could get him for a song?

  20. Mulligan

    I’ll be honest, I did not see this game going this way. Go for a triple double STAT!

  21. latke

    he just hit brand’s leg, not his knee, so I imagine it’s just that the bruise is still there and bumping it hurts. I hope.

  22. art vandelay

    dogrufus…that is why I put do knicks (Amar’e) make adjustments…I put his name in parentheses because clearly most of the time it is on him when the middlings go off!

  23. Robert Silverman

    Should be up more than 13. The Billups thing is problematic to say the least

  24. Spree8nyk8

    Might not be that bad with Billups, you have to think that with this game being pretty controlled to this point and Billups not really a factor anyway they’d be siding with caution. It didn’t look nearly as bad as the one with Howard was.

  25. rohank

    This is one of the beautiful things about being a New York fan – fans in opposing buildings across the country

  26. latke

    playoffs start in 12 days. He missed 12 days with the last bruise, and that one was supposed to be really bad.

  27. CRJoe

    Man D is looking worse by the minute, and now the offense is starting to go down the toilet… I just hate the rotations, and with Billups out is just getting worse….

  28. art vandelay

    boy this game has look ever so reminiscent of the last time they blew a 4th quarter lead to philly in philly….big 3 there by TD, however, to stifle the philly momentum!

  29. Mulligan

    Jesus what a meltdown. Surely Billups isn’t the only guy who knows how to steer the ship…

  30. rohank

    screw melo and stat – we should go to TDDWTDD every time down the floor here – he’s on fire

  31. Robert Silverman

    That was a dumb shot. I don’t care that it went in

    To be fair, Philly’s playing really good defense in the 4th

  32. Nick C.

    My goodness the offense looks awful w/o Billups. I thought we were past this with TD. He just hit the 3 as I was about to submit.

  33. BigBlueAL

    Of course when you play the first 5 mins of the 4th quarter with a horrible lineup and let the Sixers get on a roll this is what happens.

    TD’s decision making not helping much either.

  34. Spree8nyk8

    If the Knicks blow this game I’m putting the blame squarely on Owen. There is no excuse for him costing us this game. :)

  35. art vandelay

    perfect comment Nick C….I seriously was about to give up and TD hits a clutch 3…..then again, he hasn’t been able to run the offense to save his life int he absence of billups, so I guess he had to do something to atone for it.

  36. Owen

    According to one of my good friends I also caused Soria to blow a save today. My powers are mysterious and manifold….

  37. Spree8nyk8

    Frank O.: This is all because of the Billups injury  

    Idk if I can really buy into that, Billups was largely ineffective all game.

  38. Nick C.

    A little breathing room. Correct me if I’m wrong but has Melo ever passed when he brings the ball up. A nitpick but still annoying.

  39. Robert Silverman

    Owen: According to one of my good friends I also caused Soria to blow a save today. My powers are mysterious and manifold….  

    My Dad has the same powers. He literally turns on the game and the Knicks’ opponent goes on a run. You two should go bowling sometime

  40. KnickInSeattle

    @106, so he wins the game and your first reaction is to bitch about the folk who consider a game-winning, buzzer-beating 3 a big play?

  41. Doug

    Does anyone have experience watching streams on an iPhone? 9 out of 10 links are flash. I think only veetle and vshare links work.

  42. Nick C.

    Nick C.: Just when I criticize Melody he comes thru, though someone left Iggy on that 3.  

    that pesky auto word select again. MELO

  43. Nick C.

    Nice. 5 in a row. As long as Billups isn’t too badly hurt I’m starting to get delusions about this team.

  44. art vandelay

    billups returned to the game so that is a good sign….think it was just a precautionary measure….they were up 18 at the time…that said, wouldn’t be surprised if he misses friday’s game…perhaps more to be safe.

  45. tenebrous

    The Knicks are the worst team into league. What an ugly game. The winning feels good but the rest feels _____ well can’t say bad stuff etc etc etc

  46. KnickInSeattle

    @124 not to over react to obvious horseshit, but that’s the worst comment I’ve ever seen in my entire life.

  47. DReDD

    IMO I think it’s a good thing that the game went this way. If anything it should be a confidence booster that they didn’t completely blow the game against a good team

  48. tenebrous

    KnickInSeattle: @124 not to over react to obvious horseshit, but that’s the worst comment I’ve ever seen in my entire life.  

    How u figure? They were up ____ and almost lost. At that when losing no one drove (with any shake n bake) to the paint??? Hmmm?? U like this win??? Wow God Bless u.

  49. Frank O.

    Did anyone expect the 76ers to lay down? I mean, they have had one of the best records since the all star break.
    So, I didn’t expect this game to be a blow out.

  50. bbbb00123

    I think its very interested that the teams had very very similar stats, except for the 3point shots.
    41.3fg% to 41.4fg%
    14 foul shots made each
    49 to 48 rebounds
    21 to 20 assists

    The true difference seemed like our team was able to attempt 31 3pointers compared to their 18, and still keep equal field goal percentages. We held a +9 on 3pointers, in theory giving us 9 points more than them, nearly what we won by.

    I mean, obviously theres alot more to the game, i just looked at the box score and that was the one difference that stood out to me.

  51. tenebrous

    Frank O.: Did anyone expect the 76ers to lay down? I mean, they have had one of the best records since the all star break.
    So, I didn’t expect this game to be a blow out.  

    Sixes have not played well last few games. Y not a blow out??? Y get a lead and not pursue a blow out??? I get it it’s sportsmanship. Ok so let’s all go home now. Billups gets hurt Stat stretches his left foot and TD has to play like an all-star. If TD is on the bench (say in Dantonis dog house) this game is a blow out the other way.

  52. Doug

    tenebrous: The Knicks are the worst team into league. What an ugly game. The winning feels good but the rest feels _____ well can’t say bad stuff etc etc etc  

    I don’t know it seemed like a good win to me. Philadelphia is a well constructed team that gives us fits.

  53. Shad0wF0x

    @129

    I think it’s also important to consider that the rebounding numbers were fairly even. All the + stats on 3s that give the Knicks an advantage are usually negated by 2nd chance points.

  54. Frank O.

    tenebrous:
    Sixes have not played well last few games. Y not a blow out??? Y get a lead and not pursue a blow out??? I get it it’s sportsmanship. Ok so let’s all go home now. Billups gets hurt Stat stretches his left foot and TD has to play like an all-star. If TD is on the bench (say in Dantonis dog house) this game is a blow out the other way.  

    Your comments are ridiculous. It’s not like they stopped trying. Amare chased that fast break and twisted his ankle. If you’re throwing the game, you don’t risk it.
    I think you’re just trying to provoke. It’s a friggin’ win and they closed it out without their starting point.
    Stop being silly.
    You gonna complain about winning five in a row because you don’t like how they did it?
    Troll

  55. tenebrous

    Doug:
    I don’t know it seemed like a good win to me. Philadelphia is a well constructed team that gives us fits.  

    They r so well constructed that they’re in 7th place. We’re only 1/2 game above them so I guess we’re the ____ right. Boston just beat the sixes by how many? And we beat them by how many ___ ???

  56. nicos

    While the 4th quarter was ugly still a pretty solid win- on the road against a good team on a back to back. Plus D’Antoni played all twelve guys and all except Sheldon W. got at least 10 minutes (though if he’s trying to get rest for Amar’e down the stretch he hasn’t done too good of a job the last two games). I was surprised D’Antoni didn’t go back to Shawne Williams at some point during the 4th- with Turiaf in and Fields really not wanting to shoot the ball the 76ers were able to keep the Knicks out of running any of their sets. Billups would have helped– really hope he doesn’t miss any games. Other than some horrible transition defense in the 4th quarter the D wasn’t bad. All in all not a big step forward but definitely not a step back.

  57. art vandelay

    I agree that the tenebrous rxn is a bit overly harsh and demanding of a team playing on the road against a team that was higher than it in the standings coming into the game, has been one of the better teams in the leage over the course of the last 2-3 months and in a game of major playoff implications in which philly clearly was giving its all…..

    we dodged a major bullet when that meeks 3 rimmed out…..was halfway down….if it had gone down we are down 4 and panicking, hadn[t scored in ages and I would say probably lose the game.

  58. tenebrous

    Frank O.:
    Your comments are ridiculous. It’s not like they stopped trying. Amare chased that fast break and twisted his ankle. If you’re throwing the game, you don’t risk it.
    I think you’re just trying to provoke. It’s a friggin’ win and they closed it out without their starting point.
    Stop being silly.
    You gonna complain about winning five in a row because you don’t like how they did it?
    Troll  

    100M running on a 2 pointer is pretty awful imo Troll.

  59. art vandelay

    I think it is a BIG step forward in that they were losing these kinds of games forever for a while during the 9 out of 10 defeats….execution down the stretch in 4th quarters was horrendous…wasn[t good throughout much of 4th quarter but they found a way to win in a tight game….as they did against orlando and New Jersey….so I see that as a big positive during this 5-game winning streak….of those 9 out of 10 losses they easily could have won the games against boston, detroit, indiana (on the road), and probably even the milwaukee home game when they got within 1 but they couldn[t get over the hump and may have been pressing…miami was dealing with the same thing….not being able to finish game and blowing big leads and they same to be just fine.

  60. BigBlueAL

    Yeah I dont get the complaining about the win, regardless how it ended it was a very nice win.

  61. BigBlueAL

    Damn, Hahn just tweeted this:

    Amar’e says left ankle sprain may keep him out of Friday’s game vs Nets.

  62. latke

    art vandelay: we dodged a major bullet when that meeks 3 rimmed out

    Which one? Oh, you mean all 8 that he missed. And he’s a 42% 3pt shooter. Also, Lou Williams was out, and he’s IMO the most underrated part of their success. He has the second best adjusted +/- on the team after Iggy and is just the kind of guy who would make Billups look old.

    That said, it’s a decent win and perhaps more important since it may be the last one we play this season with anything really at stake (sure, we will have to win some to get the 6th seed, but there’s really no difference between 6 and 7). Philly raised the intensity in the 4th, and the knicks offense went to shit. Hopefully that’s not a preview of what happens in the playoffs when we play against that kind of defense for 48 minutes.

  63. Z-man

    One thing that I noticed is that our road record is better than the Nuggets, guess the altitude provides quite a home court advantage for Denver

    Hope there is a silver lining in the ankle tweak for Amar’e, in that he gets to rest his legs a bit. Same for Chauncey.

  64. CRJoe

    Damn, just checked the standings and both teams schedules for the finishing sprint… I don’t think we’re gonna hold on to the 6th spot unless the standings are already decided on the last couple of nights and either the Bulls or Celtics burn their benches… Philly has 3 gimme games, and we have to play the 2 best teams in the conference, and the Pacers (we already know our history with them) in Conseco… I guess the Celtics or Heat discussion is gonna rave on but is basically gonna go down as a 2-7 matchup…

  65. BigBlueAL

    latke:
    Which one? Oh, you mean all 8 that he missed. And he’s a 42% 3pt shooter. Also, Lou Williams was out, and he’s IMO the most underrated part of their success. He has the second best adjusted +/- on the team after Iggy and is just the kind of guy who would make Billups look old.That said, it’s a decent win and perhaps more important since it may be the last one we play this season with anything really at stake (sure, we will have to win some to get the 6th seed, but there’s really no difference between 6 and 7). Philly raised the intensity in the 4th, and the knicks offense went to shit. Hopefully that’s not a preview of what happens in the playoffs when we play against that kind of defense for 48 minutes.  

    Come playoff time the Knicks arent going to be playing the first 5 mins of 4th quarter with Walker, Brown and AC all on the court. At least I sure as hell hope not lol.

  66. art vandelay

    maybe miami really wants to play us in the 3-6 match up….they are down 1 at home to milwauke with less than a minute to go…if they lose this one and then to boston on sunday, they may surprisingly wind up the 3 seed after all.

  67. danvt

    Hi Guys I’m back! (Like anyone cares, or should) I got so depressed during the “Melodrama” that I couldn’t take it any longer. I just couldn’t stand all the negativity on this board, even though I too was disappointed in all we gave up.

    I think the difference in this recent streak is Melo playing like it’s his fucking team. Knowing that his role is to be the man. People forget that being a good playmaker can be predicated on being a consistent threat to score the ball. Perhaps, as a consequence of the new situation, he wasn’t aggressive enough.

    BTW, all the comparable players that Mike K came up with in evaluating Melo, pre-trade (I remember Tripuka, Xavier McDaniel in his prime) were all terrific players. If he stays at that level we’ll be the better for this trade.

    If Chauncey tails off with another thigh injury or if Amar’e is compromised Los Knicks will be los muertos, but, right now, I’m feeling pretty satisfied with the season.

    Hopefully guys stay healthy and we watch a confident team throw the fear of god into Miami or Boston. A victory in a series against either one would be as satisfying for me as the Giants winning the Superbowl in 2007.

  68. chrisk06811

    I like the way Dan makes a very valid point while using the F word at the same time. Fucking welcome back, Dan.

    I think the difference in this recent streak is Melo playing like it’s his fucking team. Knowing that his role is to be the man. People forget that being a good playmaker can be predicated on being a consistent threat to score the ball. Perhaps, as a consequence of the new situation, he wasn’t aggressive enough

  69. Robert Silverman

    danvt: Hi Guys I’m back!(Like anyone cares, or should)I got so depressed during the “Melodrama” that I couldn’t take it any longer.I just couldn’t stand all the negativity on this board, even though I too was disappointed in all we gave up.I think the difference in this recent streak is Melo playing like it’s his fucking team.Knowing that his role is to be the man.People forget that being a good playmaker can be predicated on being a consistent threat to score the ball.Perhaps, as a consequence of the new situation, he wasn’t aggressive enough.BTW, all the comparable players that Mike K came up with in evaluating Melo, pre-trade (I remember Tripuka, Xavier McDaniel in his prime) were all terrific players.If he stays at that level we’ll be the better for this trade.If Chauncey tails off with another thigh injury or if Amar’e is compromised Los Knicks will be los muertos, but, right now, I’m feeling pretty satisfied with the season.Hopefully guys stay healthy and we watch a confident team throw the fear of god into Miami or Boston.A victory in a series against either one would be as satisfying for me as the Giants winning the Superbowl in 2007.  

    Welcome back Danny!

  70. tenebrous

    rohank: I diagnose tenebrous with Wernicke’s Aphasia.Any other suggestions?  

    Nice to meet u sir. Carl Wernicke is an idiot – how is that for diagnosis.

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