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Monday, September 1, 2014

2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Nuggets

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206 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Nuggets

  1. Robert Silverman

    Well, this should be interesting. Over the last 10 years, it’s only when it seems as if there’s no chance the Nix can prevail that they play out of their mind and win.

    Then again, I tend to read tea leaves and go with vague intuitions far more than I ever would in analyzing/understanding b-ball than I do in any other subject. The stats say we’s goings ta git whupped. We’ll see…

  2. Frank O.

    This is one of those games where the Knicks could play very tough and lose to a better team.
    I’m f-ing tired or moral victories…

    But again, it’s early and this is a new team

  3. latke

    Just a thought, but could Gilbert Arenas be a latrell sprewell kind of opportunity? He’s played well so far this season. You could wait till December, and if Arenas stays healthy till then, move Curry and Felton to the Wiz — they’d probably be willing to give up a young player (nick young?) along with a first round pick just to get Arenas off their roster. I know I’m going to get my head bitten off for this comment, but he’s a career 36% 3pt shooter at very high volumes and seems like a very smart guy who might be better able to understand D’Antoni’s system.

  4. Robert Silverman

    latke: Just a thought, but could Gilbert Arenas be a latrell sprewell kind of opportunity?He’s played well so far this season.You could wait till December, and if Arenas stays healthy till then, move Curry and Felton to the Wiz —=.  

    Isiah? I didn’t know you read Knickerblogger!

  5. ess-dog

    The Knicks are like that crazy girlfriend I had in college – I know it’s not good for me yet I still come back for more.

  6. Robert Silverman

    ess-dog: The Knicks are like that crazy girlfriend I had in college – I know it’s not good for me yet I still come back for more.  

    If your ex is the 1st ten games, she must have been crazy AND ugly

    (kidding)

  7. keys

    ess-dog: The Knicks are like that crazy girlfriend I had in college – I know it’s not good for me yet I still come back for more.  

    lol, like the crazy girlfriend i spent all summer with

  8. ess-dog

    Robert Silverman:
    If your ex is the 1st ten games, she must have been crazy AND ugly(kidding)  

    Actually she was more specifically like Anthony Randolph: Stunning, desirable, athletic, highly skilled, maddening, disruptive, foolish and generally pretty dumb.

  9. keys

    obviously, ive never seen amare play every game, but in phoenix was he always so turnover prone with these butterfingers?

  10. Robert Silverman

    ess-dog:
    Actually she was more specifically like Anthony Randolph: Stunning, desirable, athletic, highly skilled, maddening, disruptive, foolish and generally pretty dumb.  

    Sorry about that – too much snark. Dumb play does that to me

  11. Frank O.

    ess-dog:
    Actually she was more specifically like Anthony Randolph: Stunning, desirable, athletic, highly skilled, maddening, disruptive, foolish and generally pretty dumb.  

    sounds fun…for a while.

  12. Frank O.

    I know he’s young, but the Knicks need to get more shots for Fields. He’s their best shooter at the moment

  13. d-mar

    How does a guy like Gallo who’s supposed to be such a great pure shooter throw up so many bricks? Please explain…

  14. keys

    d-mar: How does a guy like Gallo who’s supposed to be such a great pure shooter throw up so many bricks? Please explain…  

    hey watch that, mike d’antoni said he’s the BEST shooter he ever seen lol

  15. Frank O.

    Z: Gallo doing his best to make sure Denver never, ever trades for him..  

    His trade value has really plummeted.
    Well, played Gallo…Well, played. :)

  16. Robert Silverman

    Frank O.: Wait…the knicks had Nene?
    Gave him up for McDyess?Yeah, that worked out well  

    Camby, Mark Jackson and Nene for McD and the immortal Frank Williams. Way to go, Layden

  17. cgreene

    It’s all a hoax and Melo is gonna join as a FA next year and Gallo is going to turn into the next Peja and the Knicks are going to be title contenders. They have a it all planned!!!

  18. latke

    Robert Silverman:
    Isiah? I didn’t know you read Knickerblogger!  

    Yeah, I won’t even try to defend it.

    Early on, definitely a focus on pushing the pace, also gallo rushing shots. One of those players where you know immediately upon the release whether it’s good or not.

    Otherwise, you look at the nuggets and you see every time a player touches the ball there’s no hesitation– a move to the basket, a shot, or a pass. No dribbling around. This should be a model for the knicks. So far good knick defense and some misses by the nuggets have kept the game competitive.

  19. ess-dog

    Fields is clearly the best Knicks player in the history of the organization (at least that’s how it feels right now.)

  20. Frank O.

    ess-dog: Fields is clearly the best Knicks player in the history of the organization (at least that’s how it feels right now.)  

    One wonders if Owen will be able to resist the temptation to fall for Landry as he did for Lee.

    FIELDS on the follow!!!

  21. d-mar

    “So Carmelo, what was it that convinced you to join the Knicks?”

    “Are you kidding, who would pass up the opportunity to play with Landry Fields?”

  22. latke

    This game is tied completely out of knick effort. The offense continues to look terrible, and the knicks continue to miss open shots and shots around the basket, but it is a classic case of controlling the one thing you always can control: effort. That’s what Stoudemire was talking about when he talked about urgency. You lose five straight, and you have to have that angry adrenaline flowing all game long. Often, that’s the key to getting guys to feel lose, to start making shots, to start playing out of instinct.

  23. Mike Kurylo Post author

    Another one from Kurt Helin:

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/16/mike-d%E2%80%99antoni-isn%E2%80%99t-going-anywhere-right-now-anyway/

    It’s not long but I think he hit the nail on the head with this:

    “It’s still a process. And frankly the moves Walsh makes will matter more than the ones D’Antoni does.”

    Ultimately that’s true. Walsh isn’t exactly the type to sit idly by and let the Knicks flounder. He’ll make some tweaks big or small. Does anyone think the Knicks will end the season with the same roster they started with?

  24. ess-dog

    Seriously, if this team could just shoot on avg. 45% from the field and 33% from three we would have about 3 losses right now.

  25. Thomas B.

    Fields is the real deal. Anthony Randolph is not. So over the summer I said Randolph’s awful shooting makes him undesirable. As I recall I was called an idiot. Am I still an idiot? Has the shot selection or execution improved?

  26. Frank O.

    You know, Fields should run for Rangel’s seat, take over Ways and Means and advise the president on tax policy. He’d be good at cleaning up that mess.

  27. cgreene

    jesus randolph. i mean obv dantoni is telling him its ok to shoot that.

    these shots are just clanging

    of course will hits one

  28. Ted Nelson

    Thomas B.: Randolph’s awful shooting makes him undesirable.

    He was a pretty key part of that nice end to the Q… Although he misses all his Js, he still gets his hand on a lot of balls, makes excellent outlet passes, and makes some plays. No one said he was an efficient scorer. What people said was that scoring efficiency tends to improve with age and the parts of the game you can’t teach are where he excels.

  29. Frank O.

    And observing Harrington so well. AR…I need to stop dissing the guy, but, geez, there is so much material to work with.

    Thomas B. is doing the I told you so thing…what an idiot…:)
    Kidding.

  30. d-mar

    Has Randolph ever been in the plus column on the +/-? It seems like whenever he’s on the court, the other team makes an automatic run.

  31. Frank O.

    Ted Nelson:
    He was a pretty key part of that nice end to the Q… Although he misses all his Js, he still gets his hand on a lot of balls, makes excellent outlet passes, and makes some plays. No one said he was an efficient scorer. What people said was that scoring efficiency tends to improve with age and the parts of the game you can’t teach are where he excels.  

    Ted and Anthony sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G….:)

  32. jaylamerique

    Ted Nelson:
    He was a pretty key part of that nice end to the Q… Although he misses all his Js, he still gets his hand on a lot of balls, makes excellent outlet passes, and makes some plays. No one said he was an efficient scorer. What people said was that scoring efficiency tends to improve with age and the parts of the game you can’t teach are where he excels.  

    you honestly cant still be defending this guy. he is horrible with the ball in his hands. Also rebounding and blockings shots aren’t necessarily the hardest skills to fill a team with. its easy to find players that can rebound the ball well. His defense is also overrated. he gets pushed around in the paint to much and has lapse in concentration

  33. cgreene

    Douglas awful again.

    Ted, are he and Gallo going to resort to their efficiency norms prior to us being 3-11 after this road trip or will they get there before that and the season is total catastrophe?

  34. keys

    u know, they missed their 3s and thats where they lose all their confidence n spirit.. i see a damn blowout coming

  35. Frank O.

    See, I believe Gallo needs to keep shooting from 3. Douglas needs to have and electric collar put on to prevent him from shooting that 3.

  36. Frank O.

    Robert Silverman: Can Fields come back in, please?  

    he arrives, steals a pass and grabs a bound.
    Mini-Lee needs to run the Afghanistan campaign. Seriously, we need a guy who can do everything.:)

  37. Z

    Z: Gallo doing his best to make sure Denver never, ever trades for him..  

    But they may trade Melo for Landry Fields straight up!

  38. Frank O.

    Anyone else think it’s notable that Nene had testicular cancer, and he plays for the Nuggets???

    (disclaimer: I had the same difficulty as Nene) 12 years clear, baby!

  39. ess-dog

    Frank O.: Anyone else think it’s notable that Nene had testicular cancer, and he plays for the Nuggets???(disclaimer: I had the same difficulty as Nene) 12 years clear, baby!  

    LMAO. Good thing the San Jose Huevos folded in 1978.

  40. Frank O.

    Carmello comes over to chat with D’Antoni.
    Coach wonders: does he like me? Is he talking to me because he likes me?
    Flush, D’Antoni merely babbles something unintelligible.

  41. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    “The Honorable Cock Jowles
    June 25, 2010 at 7:59 am
    “I don’t disagree but to Brian’s point, Chad acts as is the fact that Fields is not on his top 100 completely supersedes the notion that he’s a great athlete and one of the best scorers in his conference.”

    Exactly. As Moneyball showed us, scouts often care more about a “winner” than a guy who looks good on paper. And the reality is that those guys who project well on paper are more likely — and it’s proven that it is significantly more likely — that those players will perform well. PAWS40 isn’t some kind of voodoo black magic statistic: it’s an aggregate of the basketball events that a player enacts on the floor, then adjusted for his position (and obviously, time). Fields has an outstanding score– it’s better than John Wall! But he plays on a (probably nerdy) Stanford team that was terrible, so he’d never see ESPN screen time unless he jacked up 50 shots and scored 50 (which, in my opinion, wouldn’t be very valuable to one’s team, unless they’re even worse than 1.0 PPS). With numbers (and apparently athleticism) like Fields has, I can only guess that it’s his team’s poor play that dropped him so low. I mean, seriously, Daniel Orton? Why? Because he played alongside the best big man in NCAA basketball?”

    I’m a friggin’ genius.

  42. d-mar

    The Nuggets are playing pretty badly and they’re winning by 11. It’s almost like they’re in cruise control, and if it gets close, they’ll just give the ball to Melo every time down the court.

  43. latke

    Amare showing some trust in his teammates, keeping the ball moving. Still no one can hit an outside shot, and the nuggets are starting to execute better on offense. Knicks still shooting under 40% despite a lot of layups.

  44. jaylamerique

    d-mar: The Nuggets are playing pretty badly and they’re winning by 11. It’s almost like they’re in cruise control, and if it gets close, they’ll just give the ball to Melo every time down the court.  

    yah they have a horrible offense. all they do is run iso melo and stand around

  45. Frank O.

    jaylamerique:
    yah they have a horrible offense. all they do is run iso melo and stand around  

    I think this is more a reflection of who they are playing. Denver’s O isn’t bad at all.

  46. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    I’m watching online, and I must say: if you think Clyde is a homer, you haven’t heard the Nuggets’ crew. When Stat hit the cutting Fields for that easy layup, the play-by-play guy said (paraphrase), “A nice cut by Fields,” to which the commentary man said, “Well, it was just lazy weakside defense.”

    Can’t even give the Knicks credit where it’s due!

  47. jaylamerique

    Frank O.:
    I think this is more a reflection of who they are playing. Denver’s O isn’t bad at all.  

    thats mostly because they have shooters with high ts% but aside from that their movement is non-existent. Also TD needs to find a seat on the bench.

  48. Doug Chu

    The Nuggets’ color commentator is such a repulsive homer.

    “Boy, Turiaf really gets his money’s worth on those fouls! I kind of like him! He can’t play that well, but…”

  49. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    “I was gonna say, but I didn’t want to jinx it: once they got to a double-digit lead…”

  50. BigBlueAL

    The most basic offensive set plus ball movement against the Knicks will always result in a wide ass open 3pt attempt.

  51. Spree8nyk8

    knicks doing everything they can to make me feel like an idiot for paying for leauge pass for pc. They were 3-2 when I bought it and since dishing out the money I have been able to watch them drop five straight. Worse yet everytime I turn a game on that’s close it becomes a blowout immediately, and games that I turn on where the knicks are playing well they immediately go cold and give up leads. So not only have I not seen them win since I got this shit, I haven’t even seen them play a decent portion of a game.

    Feels like if I did’nt watch the games maybe they’d do better….

  52. hoolahoop

    Spree8nyk8: knicks doing everything they can to make me feel like an idiot for paying for leauge pass for pc.They were 3-2 when I bought it and since dishing out the money I have been able to watch them drop five straight.Worse yet everytime I turn a game on that’s close it becomes a blowout immediately, and games that I turn on where the knicks are playing well they immediately go cold and give up leads.So not only have I not seen them win since I got this shit, I haven’t even seen them play a decent portion of a game.Feels like if I did’nt watch the games maybe they’d do better….  

    So, it’s your fault.

  53. BigBlueAL

    The Knicks are the best at missing wide open 3pters that couldve been huge shots if they wouldve gone in.

  54. Spree8nyk8

    Dude trust me, if I didn’t pay 120 bucks just to watch I would turn it off to help them lol. I’m real superstitious like that. Back in the 90′s I remember having a little foam indoor hoop and if the knicks were playing well when I was shooting on it then I’d keep shooting and if I sat down and they started losing i’d get right back up and start shooting again….

    I may have to go to walmart tomorrow if this streak goes to six…

  55. Robert Silverman

    BigBlueAL: The Knicks are the best at missing wide open 3pters that couldve been huge shots if they wouldve gone in.  

    Look, they make just the Gallo wide open miss on the last play and Felton’s one right before that, it’s a totally different game.

  56. d-mar

    Hard to take anything either positive or negative from this game. They competed, moved the ball OK, and missed every open shot. TD is completely lost, and to me that’s one of the worst developments of this losing streak. He’s become a complete liability on offense and cannot hit anything.

  57. cgreene

    Funny. Knicks have played pretty well in the 2nd half. Gallo, Grant Hill (I mean Landry Fields) and Felton have all played well.

  58. Robert Silverman

    How about we agree to only talk about Landry Fields. I’m just watching Mini-Lee and ignoring the rest of the game

  59. jaylamerique

    Robert Silverman: How about we agree to only talk about Landry Fields. I’m just watching Mini-Lee and ignoring the rest of the game  

    but what fun is that. you’ll miss a few WC and TD bricks, a stat iso and some horrible p-n-r by felton

  60. latke

    could cut it to seven here — this unit is playing well, running, moving the ball, missing open thr… oops. Walker and Gallo had made those two wide open threes, we’d have an opportunity to cut it to one here. The nuggets are playing poorly, but we’ll probably see carmelo back in the game after this break. It would be huge for the knicks psyche if they could pull this one out.

  61. Robert Silverman

    jaylamerique:
    but what fun is that. you’ll miss a few WC and TD bricks, a stat iso and some horrible p-n-r by felton  

    Who are they? I root for the NY Landry Fields

  62. jaylamerique

    is it me or ty lawson pretty over-rated. havent really seen him play much and with all the crap Walsh gets for not drafting him i would thought he was better

  63. taggart4800

    Am watching the game in England. 4.30 in the morning and were losing. yeah.
    Is it just me or is Feltons ball handling VERY average. Read OTL article on elluding to the point that a good ball handler allows for more time and brain space for decision making. really make sense when watching felton. He looks like he is uncomfortable running fast break.
    Fields on the other hand is an amazing! Gets some terrible calls because he is a rook.

  64. Brian Cronin

    What’s amazing to me is that last season the Knicks actually had WORSE endings to games than this one.

  65. BigBlueAL

    They dont even get a freakin shot off. How absolutely more pathetic can you get in crunch time than these Knicks.

  66. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Sorry, BigBlueAL. Thanks for trying.

    If you guessed, “Raymond Felton cannot catch the inbound pass and turns the ball over in a one-possession game,” you were right.

  67. BigBlueAL

    In fairness to Felton it wasnt a good pass from Fields and it looked like Gallo came out wide open for 3 but Fields didnt pass it to him and Gallo started running away for some reason anyway.

  68. latke

    This was an interesting game because you actually had both teams actively trying to lose for large stretches. The knicks did their part by missing lots of free throws and open shots that anyone on the JV team in high school could make. The nuggets took the more covert path of standing around and allowing players to force bad shots at the end of the shot clock. In the end, the knicks’ strategy proved the more effect and they escaped with a close loss.

  69. keys

    latke: This was an interesting game because you actually had both teams actively trying to lose for large stretches.The knicks did their part by missing lots of free throws and open shots that anyone on the JV team in high school could make.The nuggets took the more covert path of standing around and allowing players to force bad shots at the end of the shot clock.In the end, the knicks’ strategy proved the more effect and they escaped with a close loss.  

    LOL

  70. BigBlueAL

    keys: i dont think im gonna live to see the knicks make the playoffs  

    Thankfully for myself I have a bunch of 90′s Knicks playoff games downloaded to my laptop which reminds me of how much fun it used to be being a Knicks fan. lol

  71. DS

    Whatever. Annoying loss. But there’s 71 games left and they’re 2 games back from the 8 seed. If they’re going to hit a stride this season it’s not going to be right out of the gate.

    Fields looked great. Turiaf is hopefully on the mend. And Randolph is starting to look like less of a disaster. Azu is weeks away.

  72. daaarn

    Wasn’t surprised by the outcome, just that the score was even that close at the end. The only bright spot is that Fields has solidified his place as my Favorite Current Knicks Player. I’m up for trading anyone on the team but him.

  73. d-mar

    I’m going to take a shred of positivity from this game. The starters (other than Mozgov) played well, Wilson was solid and a beast on D and they did show fight. Moral victories mean nothing, especially when you’re 3-8, but I do think this was a step in the right direction. They somehow have to come out with fire tomorrow and beat a slumping Kings team and go from there.

    (PS one of the hardest things to take was Gary Effin’ Forbes making every shot he took, I wish he would stick to magazine publishing.)

  74. Brian Cronin

    At least you have to figure that this is it for Mason, right? So at least Walker is an upgrade over Mason.

  75. latke

    BTW, when is Azubuike coming back? Unlike Douglas and Felton, he has a track record of being a top tier perimeter shooter. I can’t see him being affected by the Knicks’ joint psychosis regarding perimeter shooting.

  76. rama

    (PS one of the hardest things to take was Gary Effin’ Forbes making every shot he took, I wish he would stick to magazine publishing.) d-mar

    !!

  77. keys

    d-mar: I’m going to take a shred of positivity from this game. The starters (other than Mozgov) played well, Wilson was solid and a beast on D and they did show fight. Moral victories mean nothing, especially when you’re 3-8, but I do think this was a step in the right direction. They somehow have to come out with fire tomorrow and beat a slumping Kings team and go from there.
    (PS one of the hardest things to take was Gary Effin’ Forbes making every shot he took, I wish he would stick to magazine publishing.)  

    tomorrow hopefully they dont get blown out by the kings.. ive been a hopeful knick fan for over 2 decades and i know their routine for the last couple of years and im pretty frkn worried

  78. rama

    OK, there were positives. Losing the ball out of bounds with a chance to tie in the final seconds, though, that’s just…brutal.

    The biggest positive? I can’t imagine anyone watched that game and thought, “you know the solution to the Knicks’ problems? Carmelo Anthony.”

    Nix.

  79. BigBlueAL

    Felton tonight had 19 points, 11 assists and only 1 turnover. Not sure if that final botched play was his turnover or Fields. It would be fitting though that of course Felton’s only turnover for the game was the play to try to tie the game with a few seconds left.

  80. Brian Cronin

    I totally agree that the worst part of the entire game was Forbes hitting all those shots. That was brutal.

    I love Clyde – “Missing two free throws always comes back to haunt you.”

    Then Amar’e misses two, too!

    Hilarious.

  81. Brian Cronin

    I think the turnover was mostly on Fields, but a decent chunk of it was Felton.

    Honestly, I don’t see why they even did it (use their last timeout to get the ball to midcourt).

    You’re down three, you’re obviously going for a three, why not just take the ball up the court after the made free throw? If they foul you, then fine, but it’s not like they are going to be any more likely to foul you then then if you took it out from midcourt. And it they don’t foul you, you have a better chance of getting an open three (and you don’t lose your last time out).

    Unless, of course, D’Antoni was somehow planning on going for two then fouling. But that would not make sense. They had to be going for a three. So why the need to move the ball to midcourt? It wasn’t like the clock was going to keep them from getting a look at a three.

  82. Robert Silverman

    The problem was, Gallo was wide open at the top of the key and Fields missed him. I’m not sure you want Gallo taking that shot considering he was 2 for John Starks from downtown at that point, but considering the options (Felton/Chandler/Stat), I guess he’s the guy.

  83. nicos

    Hard to believe they almost pulled this one out- Bad pass by Fields at the end but Felton’s got to come up with that.

    You really have to give Chandler some credit for his shot blocking- there was one play where Nene drove the lane, Chandler left his feet to challenge and still recovered to block Carmelo’s shot when Nene dished it. While I can’t see him averaging 2.5 blocks for the season, the numbers so far have been no fluke- he’s been great.

    Also, if the Knicks point guard is in the paint when the shot goes up there’s about a 75% chance the other team will wind up with a lay-up at the other end- Gallo and Fields (and Walker when he’s been in) have been awful at preventing leak-outs. At least Fields has the excuse that he’s been crashing the offensive glass but this is something that needs to get corrected now.

    By the way- Chandler (17-56) and Gallo (18-59) now shooting almost the exact same % from 3- yikes! And the less said about TD right now the better.

  84. Z

    It would have been nice if they could have found a way to win WITHOUT the 3 point shot falling. Came oh so close. Too bad.

    (And I definitely do give Chandler credit for his defense. He’s got the heart. He just needs an exterior brain to tell him when to shoot and when not to…)

  85. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, I don’t think anyone here doesn’t appreciate Chandler’s defense – it’s the reason he’s a good player. It’s just that he’s a good player in spite of his offense.

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