2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Nets
February 12th, 2011 by Mike Kurylo | @KnickerBlogger | Comments | Permalink |
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quick question for everyone here. I am new to all these stat stuff and still learning, but why is Gallo considered a good offensive player/shooter? Aside from him getting to the line a lot, which inflates his TS% he doesn’t do anything that well in my opinion. His efg% is at career low and he has proven to not be that greater of a shooter.
it’s a little weird to think that Chandler might be the better shooter.
Well, he’s actually taking fewer 3PA per 36, so that is quite the decrease. He’s either normalizing or has taken a huge step back as a 3-point shooter.
Ideally, if the brass makes the decision they are going to put 2 of the 3 prospects in, I’d like it if they played it like they want Gallo more than fields (as perhaps they do), then make our big last concession being ok instead of fields you can have gallo.
Don’t know if that would work, but I’d much rather have fields considering the possibility of a big 3rd FA in 2012
Love the guy, but I’d throw Mozgov into the Melo trade. His +/- is still right around AR’s despite the extra PT.
And Gallo is the least effective of our 3 prospects right now in terms of +/- but I don’t think Denver wants him.
If we could field a completely healthy line up of Felton/Fields/Gallo/Chandler/Stat again we should do pretty well like before this rough stretch. We haven’t had that in a while with Gallo getting hurt and then Chandler and Felton and Stat being nicked up.
Regardless of trades, the ASB should help us a lot with some recovery time.
@4
I agree
a team with stat felton and melo won’t suit to gallo. he needs to develop further and further and putting everything together.
being fields a behind the curtain guy, he’s more adapted to play with them.
But watch out knicks fans, stat and melo need a pg and a coach.
Amare out with sprained toe tonight, reports hahn.
*deep breath*
Could this mean… Anthony Randolph will see the court?!?
Seriously worried about tonight now tho.
If that’s the case, I think it might be good for the guys. They’ve never had a game where they’ve had to figure out how to score without him. Obviously not the best timing, as slipping to below .500 will probably send the media over a cliff. But at least it’s the Nets.
I just found out on Twitter about Amar’e. Might miss next Wed and ASG too. Somebody shoot me….
Will dantoni wise back and consider to get AR on the court or will he be afraid of reactions in case AR plays well that he will show again silent e and chandler as our main interior defense along with moz?
AR should get 35+min tonight. Not will… but should. Let’s see his interior defense.
Turiaf is active though, probably wont see AR much if at all.
I hope AR does get meaningful minutes and turns out to be fabulous.
I hope too that if he turns the ball over constantly and jacks up shots so ridiculous they stand out as bad even in SSOL that you guys will accept the possibility that there are good reasons for sitting him.
If AR doesn’t seize this opportunity that is practically shoved in his face, I am going to be so pissed.
My guess is they’ll start with Felton/Fields/Gallo/Chandler/Moz.
That lineup made me puke in my mouth a little bit.
In that case, let’s cross our fingers for Turiaf picking up two quick fouls to start the game.
I think 99% of knicks fans WANT to see AR play.
At least there’ll be rebounding in the first quarter! ::shoots self::
I’m praying he resists the urge to heave up an 18-footer when he gets his first open look of the game.
I just don’t think I can handle 35 minutes of Shawne.
@19
+100 ah ah ah
I’m on record saying Gallo will have a big game. I think you guys are wrong about him. I think if there is one of our 3 we really want to keep it’s Gallo. I’m not saying i’ll be depressed if fields stays and Gallo goes. But I do think Gallo has the higher upside of any of the 3.
@17 I’d say about 90% of fans on this blog do, including me.
I’d say maybe 30% of fans as a whole.
Let’s hope he bucks what has been a career long trend of being uncoachable.
that might be a blessing in disguise for the perimeter guys, but I have no idea how they’re going to stop Lopez or keep Humphries off the boards.
For the record, I can care less if AR plays 0 or 40 minutes. I just want a Knicks win period.
Jon… Your right, whos gonna replace amares incapability to box out , or his uncanny ability to let people score and avoid foul trouble.
Not saying were better off, but his rebounding will not be missed.
AR + Moz could be dare I say… effective defensively and on the boards?
He will foul out in 22.
so, prediction time: Knicks win or lose?
I say win. Then drop next Wednesday to enter all-star break at .500
and above- fair point thomas, haha
Knicks lose 92-87.
is anyones league pass working? I am seeing a blank screen for the wrong game
Knicks win 156-45
Now that is a bold prediction
2 feeds for tonight’s game, both Nets broadcasters. Awesome.
And in extension of the interview earlier- if I was a Nets fan I’d rather hold on to our draft picks too.
right, I didn’t think they could keep Humphries off the boards either way, but at least maybe Amare could get him in foul trouble.
If Moz were standing up any straighter, he’d have been doing a backbend.
Good ball movement so far.
is anyone watching the feed on LP? I have a feed from ATHDE but my leaguepass isn’t working
Brilliant by Chandler. Remember when this board was deciding it’d rather keep Chandler than Gallo? Seems so long ago.
Ac Milan won 4-0 this afternoon
so i’m positive for once
knicks win, 96-93
Knicks cant cover anybody on the perimeter. Its pretty sad.
hah wow this could be the turning point what if the knicks really don’t make the playoffs
Maybe the Nets will act like the Knicks usually do when the other team’s best player is out and play like garbage.
also shawne williams does really suck if he doesn’t make 3s and he’s not making 3s
NBALPBB still busted. Adht.theft here I come.
Turiaf thinks he is back at Gonzaga lol.
Turiaf w/ a huge +/-; jump shots going in. What month is it? December?
Did gallo aggravate his knee, or just tweak an ankle? Let’s hope it’s the latter.
How come league pass isn’t workng, but ATHDE’s feed (which is obviously a league pass feed) is?
Looked like they were looking at his knee with the brace on.
Must be your cable system, my League Pass is working fine down here in Miami.
Vujacic is flopping like a little bitch and has drawn back-to-back offensive fouls. More great refereeing.
Are you watching league pass broadband?
The knicks have got to lead the league in offensive fouls
Good hustle by Walker to grab that rebound then hit the 3pter.
Celebrities out in force at the Pru tonight: Kim Kardashian…..and…….
6 3′s in the 1st quarter…. that’s a good stat.
Oh no my bad, regular League Pass. I thought Thomas was the only one watching on Broadband lol.
where has this 3 point shooting been? heh funny it’s also not from gallo
Loved that Sketchers commercial during the Super Bowl lol.
Don’t the Nets understand that it is customary for the team playing the Knicks to get 30 points in the first quarter? 21? How rude!
Or I would be if the friggin’ thing worked!!
Haha. Well, Kim Kardashian and Sharapova put the Nets ahead of the Knicks for hot celebrity girlfriends.
Pretty sure I spotted The Situation. Although apparently he’s a magician now because he’s in about 500 seats at once.
lol wow the nets are just really freaking horrible
Douglas with his third attempt at 22 ft. (He’s made two, at least.)
Bad play by Fields leaving Farmar open in the corner to rotate over to Petro who was open from 18 feet away and had just previously shot an ugly-ass brick from that same spot.
The Knicks picked a good night to finally start hitting 3′s. And they’ve finally met a team that plays worse D than they do.
the smallest line up ever seen in nba history!!!!
douglas walker fields chandler williams
Moz have an early season type game tonight.
Watching Vujacic has compelled me to do something I’ve wanted to do for a while. Ladies and gentlemen, your 2010-11 Awful Haircut Team
PG: Deron Williams
SG: Sasha Vujacic
SF: AK 47
PF: Birdman Anderson
C: Joakim Noah
6th man: DeShawn Stevenson
Walker playing well tonight.
totti: we threw that out with felton instead of walker and gallo instead of williams earlier this season haha.
Also, Mozgov’s man d has been pretty decent on Lopez all things considered… but he has noooo lift on offense right now.
welcome back, wilson
Sadly my dreams of AR playing are unrealized.
Another Devin Harris blow by.
Chandler with another great shot attempt completely avoiding contact and missing ugly instead of drawing the contact and getting to the FT line.
I’m fine with Harris getting his. He gets into these me-first modes and the team implodes around him.
i feel we should be up more, oh well at least we’re up
my bad, john, my bad
good wilson, bad gallo-good gallo, bad wilson
the leit motive of the season
It certainly seems that way and it makes you wonder how ‘Melo would fit in.
Duh dey fixeded da NBALPBB.
So the Knicks come out zones in on 3 and the Nets respond by…… running a zone?
Knicks small lineups are killing the Nets tonight.
SW3
“The Nets – good for what ails ya”
gallo doesn’t want to g oto denver
Awful foul by Gallo.
Sasha Vujacic shoots like a 7th grader.
What a horrible close to the half.
What a horrible finish to the half for the Knicks.
yeah we could easily still lose this game, shooting that hot and still be up by 5? we’re playing out of our asses. oh well.
Anthony Randolph is such an athletic freak, he can post a -1 without entering the game.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310212017
They both have Allstar nights never at the same time, its frustrating. Atleast with Melo D’Antoni wouldn’t have to worry about which one to play.
Haha did he miss a high five on the bench or something
ds,
to me wilson and gallo are like milk and lemonjuice: can’t mix them up in the same team. The real question is though: will stat mesh with melo?
Mozgov for the college 3!
Moz really does have a nice jumper. That’s really an x-factor in his future development.
lol moz back to the bench
Devin Harris would be an All-Star if he played the Knicks every game.
close this stays i think we will lose
Shocking, Gallo missed a wide-ass open 3pter.
Harris gets more than 20 we win.
Shit didn’t realize he had 18 already… make that 25.
Both Moz and Turiaf with 4 fouls.
Did AR attempt at mike’s wife honour?
Knicks have missed last 8 3pt attempts.
and still up 6! i believe
I just don’t get it. Mosgov with 4 fouls…Turiaf with 4 fouls. And instead of putting in AR, we go small ball? What has he done do deserve this?
two shitty teams going at it right here
this is an ugly game. any other team in the league would have cooked us by now.
i forgot to say even the cavs
This game is horrendous to watch
seriously why do we suck so bad
this is futility in offense
Purely hypothetical: how bad does it have to get for D’Antoni’s job to be in even moderate jeopardy?
Um, jeez guys. We’re missing our top scorer and we haven’t trailed since the 1st quarter. We’re not great, but we don’t exactly suck either. We’re middle of the road.
Mother of God, finally a made shot!
I feel like we are being haunted by the ghosts of larry hughes and al harrington.
We’re not trying to say that we are the worst team in the NBA. But that was some of the most pathetic BASKETBALL of the entire year, regardless of what team it was. That was just an awful quarter of ball from both teams
Attention parents of young children hoping to learn the game of basketball: get them away from the TV set immediately!
I’m not really all that down on D’Antoni, but has anyone here watched Nash pull his horrible, player-less team to a record that is BETTER than the Knicks? SSoL is starting to look a bit like Nash’s baby, not D’Antoni’s.
@121 ah ah aha ah
@118 in europe football world he would have been fired long time ago
worst play between two teams i’ve ever seen, yea we’re missing amare but this is a joke, were we this bad last year even?
@122, yes that was terrible basketball, no doubt about it.
I think Randolph has slipped behind Curry on the depth chart.
hah wow what a schizo team
worst game i saw
HAH JOKE
Wow, Spurs are up 67-37 in the 2nd quarter on the Wiz
Good Chandler is on the court today, thank God.
Hopefully this is the start of him getting his confidence back
That looked like great D by Mosgov. screwing us
RRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
Landry Fieeeeelds!!!!
Chandler is just balling!
chandler is pulling the knicks out of the shit
I hope Carmelo is not actually considering staying. I sort of think that was a front and he has told mgmt “Aint no chance I don’t opt out”
We *might* hold a team under 100.
Of course, they’re holding themselves…
Moz hits one layup and starts demanding the ball? Knicks gotta be smarter than that
Mozgov with the three point play – good.
Mozgov posting up Lopez and trying for a reverse lay-up – not so good.
Great D by Gallo get around the screen. Totally shutdown what the Nets wanted to do.
GAME OVER, LANDRY for 3!!
i’m in love with landry! best 4th 3 pointer shooter
Landry Fields ices the game.
No one celebrates better than Turiaf.
It kills me when I see the Knicks play shut down D for a few possessions every game in the 4th quarter — why can’t we do that for even 20 minutes a game?
Either way, I’ll take the win and get the hell out of Jersey
I don’t know what I love more: Landry channeling his inner DeShawn Stevenson with that little dance, or AR getting up to cheer about five seconds later than everyone else.
THANK YOU Felton for finally stopping with the horrible jumpers and actually passing the ball and finding open 3pt shooters down the stretch.
I only raise the point because the bsktball media so clearly has no idea whats going on. Anyone think its possible something bigger is in the works? Like some crazy 4 team trade where the Knicks end up with Melo and one of D-will/CP3? Give up all of their 2nd tier guys to get it done of course.
POPEYE JONES SIGHTING! My television just cracked.
WOW, what a game-winner for Stephen Jackson in Atlanta.
Anyone see Jackson beat the Hawks just there? Nice.
hah toney douglas the hero for the nets fucking god
Knicks continue to show they have the lowest basketball IQ in the NBA.
Uh, BigBlueAL answers my question before it posts.
Oh look Gallo at the FT line. Didnt realize he was playing tonight.
LOL sorry :-)
Dont care how ugly this win was. Its still a big win, 3 days off now.
Mozgov managed not to foul out in the last five minutes with five fouls. That is progress.
Felton dished to wide open three point shooters. That is progress.
This game was against the Nets on a back-to-back for both teams. Hard to take much from the game.
But a win is a win. Let’s get to at least 42 wins for the season. I want a winning season.
Back over. 500 :-)
Nice to see Amar’e out on the court giving props to everybody. Looks happy as hell lol.
Thank Christ I don’t have to inhale a box of Ambien to sleep tonight. Win’s a win. Ugly as it was at times, for the most part good ball movement. While he didn’t put up the Stats, I felt like Moz held his own against Lopez. Progress indeed.
pivotal win
i’m sure
Brook Lopez with a whopping 4 rebs tonight. Makes Amar’e look like Dennis Rodman.
TD played great tonight, but amazingly he had 0 assists.
If Randolph couldn’t get any burn tonight, he’s clearly on his way out. Only question is to what end.
as for tonight:
gallo to denver
will to stay
swap felton billups
fields incertain
ah ah
seirously dodged one there, luckily for chandler and nets’ ineptitude at the line and lopez’s awesome alley oops pass at the end
Luckily for the Nets Amar’e was out or else Knicks wouldve blown them out.
The nets are horrible
yet we played a decent defense all quarters.
what if amare, after having complained so many times vs his teammates, start to re-evaluating his performances on D?
The Knicks actually played pretty solid D, granted it was against the offensively challenged Nets. And nice to see Ill Will awaken from his coma.
all it takes is a little imagination and reading a couple of carlos castaneda books :-)
since d’antoni only likes to play 8 anyway:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ukokf7
if amare was in the game maybe lopez prob would have a career night like 30/15 or something
Randolph must be getting traded soon. That’s the only reason I can see for not playing him at all tonight.
The Nets D must be driving Avery Johnson crazy- Tough to win your two “best” players- Lopez and Harris give no effort at all on defense- Rotate? Who Me? Chandler looked to have gotten his legs back a bit, also helped by playing a lot more 4, I think. Since Timo got back into the rotation Chandler’s been seeing a lot less minutes at the 4. Also, I wouldn’t mind seeing Walker get more of Williams minutes- I know Williams can guard the post on D but he’s pretty useless on O if he’s not hitting threes- he can’t finish anything inside.
No reason why New Orleans or Toronto would do this trade with us, but I would love to see D’Antoni’s reaction:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=62p3vyk
Starting 5:
Stat
Bargnani
Gallo
Bellinelli
Paul
Turiaf needs more credit, he turned the game around almost singlehandedly when he came in in the first quarter. if he could play 30 minutes a game for 80 games a year, he’d be a real asset.
Problem with Turiaf is that he just makes these crazy fouls and gets overaggressive. I think he’s a solid role player tho. Mozgov wasn’t too bad either, he had a big put back in late game.
Gallinari played 30 minutes. He took fewer shots than Chandler, Felton, Fields, Williams, Douglas, Walker, and Mozgov. He managed only 5 more shots than Anthony Randolph… When the top scorer goes down, isn’t it the job of the next best scorer on the team to step up and at least TRY to score? (or did NJ structure it’s game plan around not letting Gallo shoot?)
D’Antoni was asked about this after the game and said it seemed like he was never left alone, looked like the Nets keyed on him more than the other players.
Of course he missed a WIDE-ASS OPEN 3pter during a fastbreak and when the Knicks were struggling in the 3rd I was screaming for him to do something but the few times he got the ball he immediately gave it up. Was not aggressive at all, although he did grab 8 rebounds.
Also he seemed to have tweaked his knee during the 1st half, maybe that limited him for rest of the game. He hit a 3pter in their 1st possession of the game and made 1 FG the rest of the game.
Honestly, I like the fact that Gallo gives the ball up if defenses are keyed in on him. I’d like to see that approach from Amar’e, as well.
DeMarcus Cousins was left off of the team flight after he got into a fight with Donte Greene following the Kings’ loss to the Thunder because Greene did not give him the ball on the final possession, with the Kings trailing by 2 points (instead, Greene gave the ball to Tyreke Evans, who missed a possible game-winning three).
From ESPN:
Wow.
That is some weird stuff right there.
As long as Cousins can keep from literally eating someone either in the locker room or on the court, he’s going to be a stud. You want that kind of cockiness out of a rookie I think.
“He played great and I was hoping before the game when Amare wasn’t there people like Wilson and stuff would come out and have to do it and the pressure would be off because Amare’s not out there,” D’Antoni said. “So maybe it helps him to get his rhythm back.”
That settles it: Chandler’s new nickname is “Wilson and Stuff”.
If other workplaces can mandate anger management/counseling, why can’t NBA teams?
So much is said about how some of these players are “thugs,” yet I can imagine why people like Ron Artest have anger issues that needed to be resolved through therapy. I mean, I grew up in a relatively quiet, suburban NY city and life is stressful enough. It can’t be easy to be a 20 year old kid from the wrong side of town with a ton of talent, a hefty contract, and enough childhood trauma to sink even the most driven individual.
The two biggest things that I never see addressed by the media: player counseling and personal chefs. Do they even exist in the NBA, or are front office executives blind to not only player evaluation but player maintenance as well?
I know that if I were to invest $56 million into talent, I’d be able to spring for a $100k a year chef who could make sure my players weren’t eating red meat and soda after every game — not to mention the residual benefits of keeping them out of restaurants during late-nights.
Yeah, but then again, he probably doesn’t get included in the Lee deal.
How about those GPS bracelets to keep them out of trouble at night?
Funny, Z-man.
Seriously though, while I get your point, NBA players are employees, not possessions. At some point, you have to factor in the propensity for a player to take care of himself, physically, mentally, legally, etc. into his contract. As employees, what they do on their own time, including what they eat, is their own business. I actually wonder if such an arrangement (paying for an individual player to have a private chef, personal trainer, private counselor, etc.) would need to be considered part of the player’s salary under the CBA, unless they were team employees who were available to all players.
What if a player refused to work with the strength and conditioning coach? See, I construe diet as being more important than exercise (bodybuilding, it is said, is ~80% diet), so it should be a part of the management’s responsibility to put its employees in the best possible circumstance to create wins, and thus revenue.
Counseling is a different matter, especially as mental health can’t be quantified the way physical health can, but when you have altercations involving employees, counseling is typically mandated by a firm.
Why should athletes be treated differently? Basketball seems especially feasible, since there are only 12 players under contract at any given time, unlike 25+ in baseball and 56+ in football.
I remember seeing after a Wizards practice, I believe, DeShawn Stevenson eating a sandwich cooked by a team chef with what looked like Wonderbread and mayo. I’m no expert, but bleached white bread and pure, creamy fat isn’t exactly the best for muscular recovery after a strenuous workout. I guess I’m arguing for staff that is available to all players, and paid for by the team as “professional development.”
@ 192
Yeah but it’s up the the players to take care of themselves. Steve Nash’s diet and exercise factor in to why he’s still playing at this level at his age.
If a player refused to work with the strength and conditioning coach, it’ll eventually effect his way of performing. When there is a change in the level of performance and stats, playing time might be increased or reduced.
Not everyone is going to have the same work ethic, it’s just not realistic. For the most part, you’d want a Celtics/Spurs like crew that has an overall high work ethic.
Thank you Z-Man. HCJ–”I can imagine why people like Ron Artest have anger issues that need to be resolved through therapy”. Who are people like Ron Artest? Who do you think you are? Someone impervious from anger issues? Sorry, but what an arrogant and absurd comment.
Really? That’s what you got out of that quote?
I’ve disagreed with THCJ in the past re: Melo etc., but in this case he’s right on the money. I’m pretty sure all he’s trying to say is that teams should employ chefs for the players because they accomplish the same things as personal trainers do, even moreso in some cases (see Curry, Eddy). And in the same vein, why not have a personal therapist for the team as well so that they at least have someone to go to within the organization. If they employ doctors, and trainers, why not a psychiatrist?
Makes sense to me.
I think I probably overreacted to the comment and put my own unfair spin on it. I do that sometimes. My bad. I guess if someone wants to employ a chef (I certainly would), a shrink or whoever, that’s fine by me. So long as it’s a personal choice, contract obligation or court order.
Let DeShawn Stevenson enjoy his wish sandwiches in peace!
I think daJudge makes a good point that even though artest reacted at the brawl, that doesnt mean he has regular anger management issues. You don’t hear he’s fighting with teammates or anything like that. He just is impulsive when provoked. I think he’s actually been pretty tame.
The point is teams should be looking at Steve Nash and seeing exactly that: someone who’s extended their career in part by eating right and maintaining an even-keeled workout regimen. Just because you have a team chef doesn’t mean players are forced to eat whatever they’re given. But if you’re going to have a team chef in the first place, I don’t see what’s wrong with keeping the options limited (i.e. no Wonder Bread. Mayo should be allowed in moderation. Come on, it makes the sandwich sometimes).
The $100,000 or whatever you spend would absolutely be worth it. As someone who’s worked in kitchens, a good enough chef can make something healthy taste like it’s not.
So you guys must have missed the part of last year’s NBA Finals postgame when Artest thanked his psychiatrist first and foremost.
Artest is from Queensbridge, and that is not an easy place for anyone to grow up, much less a person with a meal ticket surrounded by justifiably envious young people. The difficulties that he must have faced as a young person are far greater than that which I’ve faced, and as I’ve said, despite growing up in a relatively tranquil socioeconomic circumstance, there are still numerous external stresses and pressures that cause anger and frustration in my own life — and I’m just a grad student whose largest concerns are making sure I can afford my textbooks and keeping my romantic life from sinking like the Giants’ playoff hopes this season. I’m not an athlete whose future earning potential is meted from adolescence onward. Couple that, as the magnificent Hoop Dreams has shown us, with the difficulties that many young-and-rising basketball players face, and you’re looking at a very difficult psychological ride.
I’m not sure how my statement was misconstrued, but Artest is a shining example of how self-awareness has led to, in his words, a happier experience through therapy. Many times we speculate about players’ work ethic, character, commitment, etc. I don’t think I’m presuming too much to say that Cousins has a problem, and he, like many 20-year-olds, is not strong or wise or informed enough to accept that he may need additional help in overcoming these “character” issues he’s worn since he became a national figure. He’s got a few years to figure out whether he wants to be the max player he could be or another Eddy Curry, eating himself out of the league before 30.
And if I’m signing the checks, that’s a pretty reasonable anxiety to have.
But THCJ- All of Cousins problems stem from being overcompetitive! He got in a fight because he wanted the ball! He may be a better basketball player once he learns how to work with his teammates better, but his attitude problems are very different from Curry (lazy) or Sheed (lazy again at times), especially since he always seems to be compared to Sheed. He’s incredibly competitive. He wants to win. He has too much fire to get fat.
All these “attitude problems” are, as you allude to, typical behavior for someone who should be a sophomore in college. Freaking out about it (as some national commentators do saying he’s a “headcase”) is an inappropriate response- we should just accept he’s gonna grow over the next few years.
Yeah, maybe you’re right.