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Tuesday, September 30, 2014

175 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Mavericks

  1. jon abbey

    another big test tonight, a lot to ask from Melo/Amare after each played big minutes last night. go NY, go NY, go!

  2. d-mar

    It’s a whole lot to ask for the Knicks to win this one, although the Mavs did play last night also. I would say if we do manage to pull this one out, it would be our most significant victory this season.

  3. Frank O.

    Lately, I can’t wait for these games to get started. Hate when they move west…later games…
    I think D’Antoni teams are some of the most fit in the league.
    I think the Knicks have a good record on the back end of the back to back games.

  4. Brian Cronin

    Mavs lost a close one and then their coach called them soft. They are going to be pumped to play tonight.

    Interestingly, the Knicks kicked their asses in Dallas last year.

  5. KnickInSeattle

    I’m setup for a full night of NBA…Lakers and Cryami, Knicks and Mavs, Knuggets and Suns.

    Go NY Go!

  6. Brian Cronin

    Bumping the game to 8:30 pm, Dallas-time, is a pain in the ass. This wait will be excruciating.

  7. hoolahoop

    I wish Dallas wasn’t coming off a game last night. This game will be good test for the knicks, and decided by who will be able to maintain intensity. I think the knicks let up a little late in the game last night while Memphis just kept coming. If the Knicks can learn to keep their intensity throughout the game, and from game to game, they can beat anybody. Winning this game against the Mavs would be a statement.

  8. marxster

    KnickInSeattle: I’m setup for a full night of NBA…Lakers and Cryami, Knicks and Mavs, Knuggets and Suns.Go NY Go!  

    Same here. Got a couple of cold ones ready. Can’t wait to see Miami have another breakdown and the Knicks kick some ass.

  9. Brian Cronin

    MSG just had a replay of the Knicks/Heat game with the LJ/Mourning fight. Man, looking back at it now, it just seems so childish and pathetic. At the time, I was totally into it. You know, sort of like, “screw you, Miami!” but now it just looks so sad.

    It was interesting to see Chris Childs literally drag Jeff Van Gundy out from under the fracas.

  10. d-mar

    Jim Cavan: Wow, lots of Heat fans paint themselves red, huh?…. Oh wait, those are seats.  

    Hey, give those fans a break, they’ll be in their seats by halftime!

  11. Jim Cavan

    So what’s going on with the home darks anyway? Are we moving to an NFL format, where the home teams pick the jersey color?

  12. Robert Silverman

    Jim Cavan: So what’s going on with the home darks anyway? Are we moving to an NFL format, where the home teams pick the jersey color?  

    It’s just the non-white throwbacks/”Noche Latino” unis being used by the home team. I’m personally geeking over the re-design/ditching the black for next season

  13. villainx

    Just thinking how dumb it was that Miami went after Bosh, or put him on the same level as Wade and LeBron. Not saying Bosh ain’t a good player, but his elevation in status is so unnecessary.

    At the same time, boy, I am so glad we have Amare. Not sure how serious the Knicks were in going after Bosh, but can’t imagine Bosh being nearly as dynamic of a player or leader as Amare.

  14. DReDD

    Other than the Lakers, alternate unis/throwbacks tend to be dark, and those are made to be bought by the fans and usually most of them are home. The “Noche Latina” ones, like tonight, I have no idea how they decide that one.

    Of the “Noche Latina” sets I’ve seen, the only one that makes sense is the “Nueva York”. Adding Los\El in front of a team name does NOT make it spanish.

  15. Jim Cavan

    Robert Silverman:
    It’s just the non-white throwbacks/”Noche Latino” unis being used by the home team. I’m personally geeking over the re-design/ditching the black for next season  

    It’s been a long time coming.

    Speaking of uniforms, I stumbled across this today: http://bit.ly/if5hLO

    I know the NBA has had its fair share if hideous unis, but this has to be the worst ever, right?

  16. DReDD

    Robert Silverman:
    It’s just the non-white throwbacks/”Noche Latino” unis being used by the home team. I’m personally geeking over the re-design/ditching the black for next season  

    I’m probably in the minority in that I like the black, but I prefer the wider stripes and darker blue

  17. DReDD

    The Hornets Mardi Gras unis are vomit inducing also, but considering the first time I actually went to La. for Mardi Gras that might be apropriate ;)

  18. latke

    Jim Cavan: Wow, lots of Heat fans paint themselves red, huh?…. Oh wait, those are seats.  

    Best miami rip of the month — and you’ve got a lot of competition

    Big test. I agree that a win tonight would be the biggest win of the season.

  19. daJudge

    Really looking forward to tonight’s game. Bummed about my Johnies, but put on some MSG recorded Allman Bros. at the Beacon. It gave me a big lift. I don’t mean to shift topics, but the Brothers and the Knicks are such a great combination for me. It really brings me back to high school, circa 1972-74. If any of you’all are fans of Country music or Southern Rock, they’re a real treat. They just played the beautiful masterpiece Melissa. Anyway, let’s rock tonight, Go Knicks, statement game either way.

  20. Jim Cavan

    Yeah those are really bad. I don’t know what’s more annoying though: the off-centered-ness of the Kings jerseys, or the completely unnecessary silver skid marks / lightning bolts running down the old Raptors unis.

  21. daJudge

    Anyone see Mike Lupica’s article today? “I have said this before: As great as LeBron is, he might be a smaller version of Wilt Chamberlain. And might not even win the two NBA titles that Wilt did, even across all the years when he was the greatest basketball talent in the world.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/03/10/2011-03-10_bet_on_the_knicks__with_carmelo_anthony_and_amare_stoudemire__to_build_champion_.html#ixzz1GFgFbEu1

  22. art vandelay

    I thought I remember reading right after the Melo acquisition (perhaps in Newsday) that the Knicks had contemplated changing the uni designed but decided to scrap the change and maintain the current look after all….among other reasons that jerseys currently bought in the melo frenzy wouldn’t be somewhat old/obsolete by next year…I think I read that the reason there was such a dearth in melo jerseys was because the next had delayed in making their decision to keep the current unis, at least for next season…anyone else read this? I am not so certain there really will be a change upcoming.

  23. Jim Cavan

    daJudge: Anyone see Mike Lupica’s article today?“I have said this before: As great as LeBron is, he might be a smaller version of Wilt Chamberlain. And might not even win the two NBA titles that Wilt did, even across all the years when he was the greatest basketball talent in the world.”Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/03/10/2011-03-10_bet_on_the_knicks__with_carmelo_anthony_and_amare_stoudemire__to_build_champion_.html#ixzz1GFgFbEu1  

    Refreshingly optimistic take. Perhaps overly so, but I do think he’s right in saying that Stat and Melo’s skill sets are more complimentary than Wade and LeBron’s. Or at least less alike.

  24. Robert Silverman

    art vandelay: I thought I remember reading right after the Melo acquisition (perhaps in Newsday) that the Knicks had contemplated changing the uni designed but decided to scrap the change and maintain the current look after all….among other reasons that jerseys currently bought in the melo frenzy wouldn’t be somewhat old/obsolete by next year…I think I read that the reason there was such a dearth in melo jerseys was because the next had delayed in making their decision to keep the current unis, at least for next season…anyone else read this? I am not so certain there really will be a change upcoming.  

    All my uni-news came from this Uniwatch article — http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2011/02/01/tampa-bay-lightning-unveil-new-uniforms/

    I didn’t see anything about scrapping the change – but I’d be really saddened if it was so. One would think the Melo trade would actually motivate the change — everyone who bought one this month would certainly shill out $100 to buy the new one

  25. Count de Pennies

    DReDD: It’s looking like it’s going to go down to the wire again in Miami  

    And if history is any guide, that’s not a good thing for Miami.

  26. latke

    I find it hilarious that I’ve been watching this miami/la game for 5:00 minutes of game time and every single miami stat — rebound, assist, score — has gone to james or wade with the exception of one bosh layup.

  27. dmull

    Astute play by Fields there, picking up the loose ball and taking it right at Chandler in the restricted area for his 2nd already.

  28. Jim Cavan

    6 minutes in we already have as many free throws as we did last night. At least we’re getting some calls tonight.

  29. Bruno Almeida

    the team looks exactly how a team would on the 2nd night of a back to back on the road against playoff teams in the west.

    Amare’s shoulder doesn’t look too good, hope it’s nothing serious.

  30. Jim Cavan

    Bruno Almeida: the team looks exactly how a team would on the 2nd night of a back to back on the road against playoff teams in the west.

    It’s their 4th in 5 nights too. Not a legit excuse.

  31. JK47

    PG Anthony Carter
    SG Roger Mason Jr
    SF Bill Walker
    PF Shawne Williams
    C Ronny Turiaf

    Please kill me

  32. Bruno Almeida

    Jim Cavan:
    It’s their 4th in 5 nights too. Not a legit excuse.  

    when you add Melo’s foul trouble and Amare’s injury, and Billups out, it’s a miracle we’re only 9 behind.

  33. Mulligan

    Did they say that not only was this the 4th game in 5 nights but the 7th game in 10 nights?! That’s rough..

  34. Thomas B.

    So i was just wonder what people think about…oh never mind. It’s better if I dont write anything.

  35. Brian Cronin

    Which is ridiculous, as the Knicks gladly would have kept him glued to their bench. They cut him as a favor, and he’s pissed at them for it?

  36. Brian Cronin

    Ha! Jinx, Robert. Yeah, I can’t even bring myself to be irritated by it as it was so obviously BS that it has to be overturned.

  37. art vandelay

    correct me if I am wrong but wasn[t that STAT’s 16th tech? he is out for game on sunday now it would seem….although it may be rescinded…that one was RIDICULOUS!

  38. latke

    this is ridiculous — every time we get a stop we let them get an easy rebound. Alternatively, we just commit a dumb foul.

  39. Brian Cronin

    The rebounds are weird – I’m used to the Knicks getting beaten to rebounds, but here, it is not like they’re even attempting to go for the rebound.

  40. art vandelay

    coming in I figured this game was house’s money after last night….assuming a loss….nothing really could be bad…but now we have amare in jury, tech….and potentially embarrasing defeat…wish we had just forfeited…hah!

  41. bouncerpr

    The knicks are not even trying to play defense or get rebounds…. that’s not a good sign..

  42. BigBlueAL

    Worst part will be Barkley basking in the glow of the Knicks getting blown out tonight lol.

  43. Jim Cavan

    Glad I decided to do the writeup for this one. Can I just upload the first 15 minutes of ‘Saving Private Ryan’?

  44. BigBlueAL

    Like someone said above, Harlan said its the Knicks 7th game in 10 days. Thats crazy, especially considering how short-handed they have been in the past week.

  45. Robert Silverman

    Oh, and if Kevin McHale spews one more tired cliche, I’m gonna hurl.

    “Mike D’Antoni’s a basketball coach and he likes guys who are just basketball players”

    “The Mavs just want it more”

    Ugh

  46. BigBlueAL

    Also, worst thing that happened was Dallas losing last night and being called out by their coach.

  47. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, when they were called soft by their coach you knew they were going to take it to the Knicks tonight. Doesn’t mean that the Knicks should fold like they have tonight, but really, a great team at home with a chip on their shoulder is a tough get for any team.

  48. BigBlueAL

    I assume in the 2nd half the Knicks will make a run and get the game somewhat close and not have the final score look so lopsided although at this point I could care less. Just dont have anybody get hurt and Amar’e pickup a real tech lol.

  49. Brian Cronin

    Can someone please explain to me barkley’s apparent irrational hatred for the Knicks?

    No clue, but it’s been there for awhile, so it might be something from years and years ago that no one remembers but him.

  50. Thomas B.

    Not sure how the offense can look so bad with super star like Melo on the court. Even the great one have an off night.

  51. Doug

    Thomas B.: Not sure how the offense can look so bad with super star like Melo on the court.Even the great one have an off night.  

    Not sure if serious…

  52. NYFaithfull33

    What an awful first half, the Knicks look lethargic out there. Nobody is playing with an ounce of fire or energy. D’Antoni has to rally the troops.

  53. art vandelay

    Perhaps due to his beef with Oakley? My friend ran into Oak the other night in charlotte and spoke to him for a good 15 mins…Oakman REALLY does not care for Sir Charles.

  54. KnickInSeattle

    I’d gladly trade this game and two more just to see somebody…preferably Oakley, break Kidd’s nose.

    He’s my least favorite player in the NBA.

    As for the game, not even Dallas can keep going at this rate. I think the Knicks will show some pride and hustle and pull within 10 by the middle of the fourth.

    Then lose.

  55. triplewgf

    Brian Cronin:
    No clue, but it’s been there for awhile, so it might be something from years and years ago that no one remembers but him.  

    The Knicks sweeping the Spectrum floor after bouncing the Sixers, maybe?

  56. Bruno Almeida

    Thomas B.: Not sure how the offense can look so bad with super star like Melo on the court.Even the great one have an off night.  

    yeah, because everybody else is really playing well, specially Amare…

    give it a break man, the whole “Melo Haters x Melo Defenders” is starting to become ridiculous.

  57. Thomas B.

    Doug:
    Not sure if serious…  

    I’m on the fence about Melo so i’m not even sure if I’m serious. Don’t think I’ll be issuing a Melo Culpa tonight though.

  58. Thomas B.

    Bruno Almeida:
    yeah, because everybody else is really playing well, specially Amare…give it a break man, the whole “Melo Haters x Melo Defenders” is starting to become ridiculous.  

    I’m on the fence, so it’s not hate or defense. Sorry to upset you with my opinion.

  59. art vandelay

    No need to overreact to this game…team just came out dead flat and even had they played well they probably would still be losing right now.

  60. Bruno Almeida

    Thomas B.:
    I’m on the fence, so it’s not hate or defense.Sorry to upset you with my opinion.  

    I’m not upset, it’s just that there’s too much overreaction on every single thing that happens with the franchise.

    i’m still on the fence too, but there’s no point in generating pointless discussion by being ironic on a night when the entire team has been terrible.

    but that’s just my opinion :p

  61. dmull

    If anyone honestly expected to win tonight they need to get a reality check. The idea that being on the 4th game in 5 nights, 7th in 10, on the road “out west” against the 3rd best team record wise in the NBA (I don’t think they’re near that good myself) somehow shouldn’t matter is ridiculous. It would be nice to see a better effort…I had talked myself into being excited for the game…but it was evident right out the gates that they were flat. Dallas looked flat too but I think they got their home second-wind.

  62. latke

    2nd half keys: Make Haywood pay — 2 more fouls on him and both chandler and haywood have 4. This will help with the rebounding issues as well.

    force turnovers. Mavs only had 4 turnovers.

    keep a body on sean marion.

    move the damn ball. get into the teeth of the defense. no more of this face up, jab step, 18 footer stuff from melo or from stoudemire

  63. Thomas B.

    I think the Knicks will leave Dallas with a clean bill of health. How could they not after spending 48 minutes in a clinic.

    I kid I kid i really do love this team.

  64. SangaD

    they really have no energy, the knicks look like theyre playing a maverick big man offense what happened to ssol.

  65. art vandelay

    I don’t think chauncey would have made a world of a difference in this one….they were 4-1 without him prior to this game and they just have NO energy tonight….maybe they would be down 13-14 instead of 20+ but I couldn[t see them in this one simply by having billups in there.

  66. hoolahoop

    Brian Cronin: Yeah, when they were called soft by their coach you knew they were going to take it to the Knicks tonight.   

    Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll call the Knicks soft after tonight’s game.

  67. hoolahoop

    Doug: Really feeling Chauncey’s absence right now.  

    Yeah, Chauncy on the bench thinking, Mavs are lucky I’m hurt.

  68. SangaD

    you know were not completely out of this yet, Dallas is playing pretty slow right now all we need is a couple threes to shake em up, or wake em up lol

  69. Robert Silverman

    Odd thing, you run the offense and open shots magically appear. Wonder if there’s any causality there. Hmm.

  70. latke

    dsulz: Our inability to get simple defensive rebounds is mind-blowing.  

    Mavs had 0 offensive rebounds from the beginning of the 3rd through the point we cut it to 12 (about 9 mins i think). Coincidence…….???

  71. Brian Cronin

    It’s like they physically don’t know how to get a rebound. The ball goes up, and they freak out and think they have to foul Chandler. That missed free throw was the last time they didn’t just answer a Knick shot right back.

  72. art vandelay

    Shawne williams commits some of the most bonehead fouls imaginable…..if he could cut that down somewhat, he would be a relatively respectable defensive player.

  73. CRJoe

    Well… At least they put up a fight, they showed some pride in the second and had some decent runs… I can’t help to worry about Stat though, he hasn’t played less than 36 mins this month (excluding at Utah), and he looked really fatigued for those few 4th quarter mins… Maybe the suspension is a blessing in disguise??? At the very least I hope we can blowout Indy in the next couple of games so we can save his knees for the last stretch…

  74. latke

    MVP of the game: Shawn Marion. 10/15 from the field, 6 offensive rebounds.

    Dallas is so deep and diversely talented. Really shows what you can do when you play the cap rules well — they are $30 million over the cap. Their 6 top guys make more than the entire knicks team. They are missing both of their starting wings — stevenson and butler — and it really doesn’t matter at all.

  75. BigBlueAL

    SangaD: where’s big blue al ? i miss those comments bro.  

    Didnt realize I was being missed lol.

    Got home right when the game started, got something to eat at half-time and wasnt on my laptop during 2nd half lol.

  76. massive

    This was a pretty bad game for us. But in other news, Kenny Smith completely served Charles Barkley.

  77. BigBlueAL

    Barkley and Kenny Smith just made me piss in my pants with the way they just made fun of the Heat players lol.

  78. massive

    Kenny Smith and Charles Barkley were arguing over Mike D’Antoni’s system and if it could win a championship in the NBA. Charles went on to say that the system has been unsuccessful so far in the NBA, taking his usual adamant stance. But soon after Charles said that, Kenny pointed out that D’Antoni’s system went to the Conference Finals one year, and if Robert Horry hadn’t started the uproar that got five Suns’ players suspended, the Suns would have won it all that year, stating that the Suns were the NBA’s best team that year. I’ve never seen Charles Barkley so lost for words in my life. He really had no argument this time.

    I always liked Kenny Smith the most out of all of the guys who do the national coverage (ESPN and TNT).

  79. Z-man

    Dallas is a very good, very deep, veteran team. Dirk looks like he is on autopilot out there They might “surprise” in the West.

    Nuggets kicking ass again…

  80. jon abbey

    massive: Kenny Smith and Charles Barkley were arguing over Mike D’Antoni’s system and if it could win a championship in the NBA. Charles went on to say that the system has been unsuccessful so far in the NBA, taking his usual adamant stance. But soon after Charles said that, Kenny pointed out that D’Antoni’s system went to the Conference Finals one year, and if Robert Horry hadn’t started the uproar that got five Suns’ players suspended, the Suns would have won it all that year, stating that the Suns were the NBA’s best team that year. I’ve never seen Charles Barkley so lost for words in my life. He really had no argument this time.  

    I feel like I’ve written almost exactly this here at least twenty times since D’Antoni got hired.

    I turned this one off in the second quarter (after flashing forward and making sure there was no miracle tonight), I’m amazed Amare ended up with 36. Dallas had three big guys who physically overpowered us, Chandler, Haywood and Nowitzki with our only real big man Shelden “DNP” Williams.

    still very happy with the bottom line of 1-1 on this trip, and two days off will be welcome. hopefully Chauncey is back Sunday, the silly T is rescinded, and we’re at full strength for the Pacers games.

  81. d-mar

    Real GM reports that Kobe spent more than an hour after the game shooting jumpers: “Bryant worked up a sweat with multiple ball boys feeding him passes, attempting jumpers all over the floor and coming off curls.

    “This is my job,” said Bryant when asked why he shot for so long after the loss.

    After finishing his shooting workout, Bryant headed to the weight room.”

    Like the guy or hate him, you have to respect Kobe as an intense competitor who never takes a night off. A lot of MJ in him.

  82. Bruno Almeida

    This game shows how much we need a big men who can rebound, Melo leading the team in rebounding while Extra E, Turiaf and Jeffries combine for 5 (3 offensive from Jeffries) is kinda pathetic.

    As a team, I think we rebound pretty well, but against well coached teams with legit big men we’ll struggle every game on that area.

  83. Doug

    latke: MVP of the game: Shawn Marion. 10/15 from the field, 6 offensive rebounds.Dallas is so deep and diversely talented. Really shows what you can do when you play the cap rules well — they are $30 million over the cap. Their 6 top guys make more than the entire knicks team. They are missing both of their starting wings — stevenson and butler — and it really doesn’t matter at all.  

    How’d they do that? That’s mind-boggling.

  84. Brian Cronin

    Like the guy or hate him, you have to respect Kobe as an intense competitor who never takes a night off. A lot of MJ in him.

    Yeah, that definitely is one of Kobe’s best qualities.

  85. Brian Cronin

    How’d they do that? That’s mind-boggling.

    What they did is basically the same thing the Knicks did for years before Donnie Walsh got there – use expiring contracts and draft picks to trade for high-priced long-term contracts, re-sign your own guys to big money, long-term contracts and use the mid-level constantly. The big difference is that the Knicks were doing this while building around Allan Houston and then Stephon Marbury. The Mavericks did it building around Dirk Nowitzki.

  86. Bruno Almeida

    Brian Cronin:
    What they did is basically the same thing the Knicks did for years before Donnie Walsh got there – use expiring contracts and draft picks to trade for high-priced long-term contracts, re-sign your own guys to big money, long-term contracts and use the mid-level constantly. The big difference is that the Knicks were doing this while building around Allan Houston and then Stephon Marbury. The Mavericks did it building around Dirk Nowitzki.  

    and getting role players who don’t eat hamburgers every day also helps.

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