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Friday, August 29, 2014

153 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Kings

  1. latke

    watching heat/suns right now, and the suns look just like the Knicks except with worse defense. They’ve missed like four wide open threes and are currently 1/9 from three. Nash sat for about 6 minutes, and in that time it was a lot of dribbling and midrange jumpshots. Jason Richardson and Hedo Turkoglu though made some tough shots to keep the game from getting totally out of hand.

  2. Doug Chu

    latke: watching heat/suns right now, and the suns look just like the Knicks except with worse defense.They’ve missed like four wide open threes and are currently 1/9 from three. Nash sat for about 6 minutes, and in that time it was a lot of dribbling and midrange jumpshots.Jason Richardson and Hedo Turkoglu though made some tough shots to keep the game from getting totally out of hand.  

    I was watching that game to see how the Knicks’ offense would ideally look with a great point guard… and I ended up watching the Suns lose the exact same way the Knicks have.

  3. Doug Chu

    “I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK!”

    Thing is none of the Suns’ shots were falling. Their shooting was bad, Steve Nash only had 2 assists.

  4. Degree_Absolute

    Toney Douglas needs to get to the basket. He shouldn’t keep jacking up threes like he has been.

  5. Frank O.

    Watching Rockets and Thunder. I want Westbrook on the Knicks…:)

    Hey Ted! You out there?
    I have a question:
    I’ve seen your commentary recently and I think what you’re saying about Knicks’ shooters is reasonable. I think it makes a lot of sense that the guys that typically shoot relatively efficiently from 3 should continue to shoot, but at what point, should this run of poor shooting continue, do we no longer call some of these guys good shooters?
    I mean, it has only been 10 games, but if the below average shooting by Gallo, Walker, Mason, and Douglas continues into, say, 30 games, are they no longer good shooters?

    I’m curious. Because Gallinari’s 3 pt FG% has declined. He hit 44% in his first year, 38 percent last year, and now he’s at 30 percent. To me, that’s an unhealthy trend line. Again, only 10 games, but if you strike the one game he shot well in 10, that average would be even more horrible. His overall FG% also has declined but less precipitously.
    His TS% and eFG% has declined fairly significantly in each year since his first.

    Walker shot well in his first real year of playing, but he only got in 35 games. So he’s kind of unknown, and I’m not sure one stretch of 35 games makes him a “good” 3 pt shooter. The sample size is pretty small. I think expectations for him could be overstated.

    Now Mason had two years of decent 3 pt shooting of 39% and 42% out of six, but he showed a significant drop off to 33% last year, and he’s been pathetic this year to date.
    His sampling is larger, but he appears to be in decline.

    Douglas shot 38% in 52 games last season, getting 5.8 3pt shots per 36. This year, he’s averaging 7.1 shots per 3 hitting at a putrid 27%. So he’s got a very small sample size, which for me makes it hard to say he’s a “good” 3 pt shooter.

    So again, how long before we decide that these guys simply may not be as good from the outside as we all had thought they might be?

  6. Robert Silverman

    BigBlueAL: The Kings are literally all standing around the paint on D.  

    When the Knicks are shooting this badly, that’s probably not a bad idea

  7. BigBlueAL

    This team has to be the most mentally soft basketball team ever. It has to be pure mental when you start airballing 15 footers and continue bricking wide ass open 3′s.

  8. Frank O.

    is it wrong that I thought maybe the Knicks didn’t talk to Douglas about that pick because perhaps they hoped he’d get whacked?

  9. Frank O.

    Robert Silverman: They’re depressed. you can see it  

    I’m reminded of the Geico commercial:
    “Maybe we should chug on over to mamby pamby land where maybe we can find some self confidence for you, you jack wagon!”

  10. Frank O.

    Walker can’t even hit it from 2 inches. And misses a FT.
    I admit as he approached the hoop, I thought, ‘he’s even going to miss the dunk.’

  11. Frank O.

    And why didn’t walker just lay out to get that ball as it rolled out of bounds?
    Am I being to hard here?

  12. Jimmy C

    Robert Silverman: They’re depressed. you can see it  

    They’re depressed because when you’re conditioned to think shoot first and ask questions later, the court suddenly gets infinitely smaller and colder. It all centers around the 3 point line, and while statistically it’s potentially more lucrative…. nice shot Will.

  13. Frank O.

    Gus Johnson is sitting at home, with a drink and perhaps a fine woman, saying, “thank God I didn’t extend my contract…”

  14. Kikuchiyo

    We need to find a thread that runs through all these bad seasons. Are we sure it isn’t Clyde’s fault?

  15. Frank O.

    That was kind of funny. Rautins tried to put his arm around AR’s shoulder as they huddle, but AR moved away and Rautins self-consciously withdrew his arm…

    See what happens when the Knicks suck in late games? I start just projecting narratives…:)

  16. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    If they trade that smooth mother ______ named Landry Fields for Carmelo Anthony, I am permanently done with the Knicks. The kid makes fewer mistakes than our vets!

  17. Frank O.

    STAT emphatic.

    Of course, one wonders how long the Knicks will continue to play together.

    Douglas hits with no one within 10 feet of him. Gottzeitdank.

  18. GHenman

    Kikuchiyo: We need to find a thread that runs through all these bad seasons. Are we sure it isn’t Clyde’s fault?  (Quote)

    I think Clyde is the only one in the organization with a ring.

  19. latke

    the shots they’re making have been wide open (as in previous games) but you can see the knicks taking that extra moment now and collecting themselves before shooting.

  20. David Crockett

    STAT. Can’t give him baseline that close to the restricted area dude. You’re just asking to get a foul on Ronny.

  21. madgrinch

    the kings are really a bad team , they have all the talent in the world , but don’t have a point guard , no glue guys, just a random assortment of talented players who will lose this game.

  22. Doug Chu

    Clyde sure loves his $2 words… even if they don’t make 100% sense.

    “Landry showing the hangtime… and the OMNIPOTENCE…”

    ???

  23. Doug Chu

    madgrinch: the kings are really a bad team , they have all the talent in the world , but don’t have a point guard , no glue guys, just a random assortment of talented players who will lose this game.  

    Landry Fields, not a “glue guy?”

    SMH.

  24. Degree_Absolute

    Turiaf with 3 assists. Gallo taking 7 FTs. Douglas limiting his three point attempts. All good signs.

  25. madgrinch

    Doug Chu:
    He did? Whoops.Time to take these contacts out. Sorry, madgrinch.  

    no problem , i look at the kings and i just see so much talent , but they really suck, they should have blown the knicks out in the 1st quarter and now they are in some danger of getting blown out.

  26. Kikuchiyo

    I’ve liked Felton in a lot of ways this season, but every time he misses a pass to Amar’e, he looks annoyed. Ray needs to fire up some old film of Nash and Amar’e. These disconnects are really on him.

  27. David Crockett

    Tyreke Evans is like a bigger version of Billups on his dribble drive. He’s a load; can get to the rim just about anytime he wants.

  28. d-mar

    After the Knicks got their first block, I remembered some classic Mike Francesa from earlier today, when he actually stooped to discuss the Knicks for 5 minutes or so. After stating that the Knicks played no D, a caller pointed out to the omnipotent one how many blocked shots they have so far this season. Francesa’s answer? They started out #1 in the NBA and are now #5, so where will they be in a few weeks? Brilliant!!

  29. BigBlueAL

    Must say, excellent 2nd quarter. Is it too much to ask to have a smiliar 3rd quarter and have a blowout win??

  30. Doug Chu

    This is the totally uninformed, stats-blind, narrative-loving side of my fandom talking, but I think Ray and Amare should go on, like, a hunting trip together and drink scotch and chase tail and I dunno just bond LIKE MEN. Like in a buddy cop movie. Then they will emerge with a newfound pick and roll chemistry that will consume the league with the power of their friendship and basketball talent.

  31. Degree_Absolute

    BigBlueAL: Must say, excellent 2nd quarter.Is it too much to ask to have a smiliar 3rd quarter and have a blowout win??  

    There are no blow out wins with this team. All four quarters are an adventure.

  32. BigBlueAL

    Love the latest Bosh quote after the game tonight:

    Bosh on Coach Spoelstra “He wants to work, we wanna chill. I hope he can meet us halfway.”

    Twitter is having a field day with Bosh tonight.

  33. Spree8nyk8

    d-mar: After the Knicks got their first block, I remembered some classic Mike Francesa from earlier today, when he actually stooped to discuss the Knicks for 5 minutes or so. After stating that the Knicks played no D, a caller pointed out to the omnipotent one how many blocked shots they have so far this season. Francesa’s answer? They started out #1 in the NBA and are now #5, so where will they be in a few weeks? Brilliant!!  

    When did he say this? Because the knicks are still 1st in blocks

  34. Degree_Absolute

    Francesa is an agitator – a radio troll. He provides no insights or anything of value. You listen to him to get worked up and that is about it.

  35. Doug Chu

    Degree_Absolute: Francesa is an agitator – a radio troll.He provides no insights or anything of value.You listen to him to get worked up and that is about it.  

    Those of us who are Yankees fans will remember his immortal “ANDY PETTITTE IS A STARTING PITCHAAAAHHHHH” rant. Francesa is the worst.

  36. BigBlueAL

    Doug Chu:
    Those of us who are Yankees fans will remember his immortal “ANDY PETTITTE IS A STARTING PITCHAAAAHHHHH” rant. Francesa is the worst.  

    Get me Porcello’s staaaaaaaaaaats!!!!

  37. jaylamerique

    cwod: Thank goodness we went out and signed Felton, instead of letting TD start at the point for us.  

    remember when people like ted were saying that TD should start over felton and that the knicks didnt need a pg

  38. massive

    Gallo’s Stat line:
    21 points on 4/7 shooting, 3-5 from deep, 10/11 from the line. Talk about efficient basketball.

  39. Kikuchiyo

    Kinda sucks that Moz and AR can’t be trusted to play any real minutes. Amar’e and Ronny are gonna wear out playing back-to-backs with all these minutes.

  40. BigBlueAL

    Nice to get a win. Another back-to-back Fri and Sat but both games very winnable since Lee is out for Golden St and the Clippers suck. Lets at least win one of those games and maybe we could start feeling good about the team again.

  41. marxster

    You gotta give them credit. Usually, they would have waited until it’s too late to dig themselves out of the hole they’ve created for themselves, but today, they got themselves out of a 15-point hole early, got themselves a lead and held on to it all the way.

    Good job.

  42. latke

    Question: Will Eddy Curry get a chance if he can get healthy? The knicks have no depth up front with Mozgov doing nothing and AR apparently out of the rotation.

  43. cwod

    I liked that we didn’t fall in love with our threes.

    We do a terrible job of getting the ball to Amare near the basket.

    A win is a win.

  44. nicos

    Give D’Antoni a little credit too- in the second half he tightened the rotation and made sure he always had at least three scorers on the floor, rotating guys out one at a time rather than making wholesale substitutions.

    At this point I’d like to see AR get Timo’s minutes- he just seems lost out there. Other than that tonight’s minute distribution seemed about right.

    And the Knicks should make sure to send a thank you card to Tyreke Evans who took a couple of unbelievably bad shots in the last two minutes.

  45. Shad0wF0x

    nicos: Give D’Antoni a little credit too- in the second half he tightened the rotation and made sure he always had at least three scorers on the floor, rotating guys out one at a time rather than making wholesale substitutions.

    Yeah, the substitutions were handled better tonight. I remember one particular sub when Breen/Clyde mentioned that D’Antoni told Chandler that he just wants him to take a min or 2 to catch his breath.

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