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Thursday, August 21, 2014

334 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Heat

  1. Frank O.

    jon abbey: hopefully someone guards Ilguaskas in the first quarter this time.  

    True. They had trouble guarding bigs before. Now it is worse.
    I hope they hang for a half.

  2. latke

    so far good effort on defense, decent movement/passing on offense. Just some bad turnovers, which I can totally accept as growing pains.

  3. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    I don’t think it’s the fans’ fault. Scalpers probably tried to charge insane prices for those close seats.

    And whoever says that shot creation is the forte of only a select few in the NBA, watch Fields’s new slashing moves. Has anyone noticed this lately? Dude does that power dribble like no other!

  4. Jim Cavan

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: And whoever says that shot creation is the forte of only a select few in the NBA, watch Fields’s new slashing moves. Has anyone noticed this lately? Dude does that power dribble like no other!

    He’s mastered that. But it seems like the refs have called it traveling more than a few times. Which it doesn’t look like at all.

  5. BigBlueAL

    Knicks definitely playing much, much better D so far. Problem is it might not matter because the Big 3 for the Heat is just too good.

  6. Mike R

    you got to love mike d’antoni – probably could use someone like brewer off the bench tonight for his defense but instead he goes with anthony carter at the 2. interesting strategy lets see how it works out for him

  7. BigBlueAL

    Apparently Rasual Butler was waived and the Knicks are a potential suitor for him. Reported by Yahoo.

  8. Doug

    BigBlueAL: GOD I hope this is the last we see of Carter in a Knicks uniform.  

    Carter playing the 2 is like nightmare fuel. It’s like watching Chris Duhon without a 3 point shot.

  9. jaylamerique

    Doug:
    Carter playing the 2 is like nightmare fuel. It’s like watching Chris Duhon without a 3 point shot.  

    i mean its either him or walker and walker is the laziest defender i have ever seen.

  10. Robert Silverman

    that Balkman-Carter-Turiaf might be the most offensively challenged trio MD’A's ever played.

  11. Ted NeIson

    I came back for one reason and one reason only: to ask why the HELL is Anthony Carter in the game right now?!

  12. jaylamerique

    Robert Silverman: that Balkman-Carter-Turiaf might be the most offensively challenged trio MD’A’s ever played.  

    does this mean that AR really was the problem and it wasn’t MDA unwillingness to play offensively challenged players

  13. madison square glory

    dantonio is and i quote “experimenting”

    Ted NeIson: I came back for one reason and one reason only: to ask why the HELL is Anthony Carter in the game right now?!  

  14. BigBlueAL

    Safe to say D’Antoni is using this as an experimental game and could care less about winning. How else to explain the extended playing time for Anthony Carter and that lineup he used to close the 1st quarter.

  15. Doug

    We shouldn’t be so hard on Landry. Halfway through his rookie season and his role on the team completely changes overnight.

  16. Mike R

    half this team does not even pretend to box out or do anything fundamentally sound on the defensive end. its so sad

  17. Frank O.

    Weird game. The heat run the floor and score quickly. But at least five times this game the Knicks have forced a shot clock violation or nearly done so and forced a turnover…
    Not sure what it means…

  18. Mike R

    @ 96 – I think carmelo asked dantoni what the hell he was doing playing anthony carter for 10 straight minutes and he couldnt even answer him with a straight face

  19. Nick C.

    Did Bill Walker just force LeBron into a TO on two straight touches? And then the 3 at the buzzer for the lead at the half. Wow!

  20. Mike R

    love direct tv – my tv completely freezes right as walker released that and didnt come back for 30 seconds haha but the knicks are WINNING??? WTFF

  21. BigBlueAL

    Mulligan: dammit, i had to help my wife with something and all of a sudden the knicks go on a 16-0 run?  

    Keep helping her for the entire 2nd half, its obviously a good luck charm :-)

  22. Jim Cavan

    Mike R: @ 96 – I think carmelo asked dantoni what the hell he was doing playing anthony carter for 10 straight minutes and he couldnt even answer him with a straight face  

    I hope that’s it. But it’s not like you ever see Amar’e laughing during a game.

  23. BigBlueAL

    Knicks did end the 1st half of Game 3 in 1999 on a similar run and wound up extending it to a 32-2 run. Wouldnt mind seeing a repeat of that tonight lol.

  24. Frank O.

    Robert Silverman: Anyone else notice that the Miami arena is half-empty?  

    Yeah. Early on they were saying they were hoping the knicks would turn out more people early and they said they did, but I saw a lot of empty seats…

  25. massive

    Watching Bill Walker on LeBron, I was thinking “Why is the worst defender on court guarding the NBAs best player?” But then Bill Walker forces LeBron into 2 turnovers. I love the Knicks defense so far.

  26. Jim Cavan

    I kinda hate when we go on ridiculous blitzkrieg runs like that, particularly while digging ourselves out of a sizable hole. I think it gives us a false sense of our own offensive prowess.

    But it sure is fun to watch.

  27. bobneptune

    DS:
    Not to dwell but I bet AR would be getting some burn right now…  

    yes… he was a nice crisp -11 in 4 minutes today with mn!

  28. d-mar

    Why do I hate Bosh so much? I’d rather see Wade and LeBron get 50 points each then him to make one basket.

  29. dsulz

    Man, the knicks can’t move the ball for shit. Surprised we’re still this close. Melo’s having his best game yet though for us.

  30. rohank

    All you haters that said Melo wouldn’t give up the ball at the last second for a better shot the way LeBron does…..

    WHAT NOW???

  31. Frank O.

    totti: knicks show pridefields though good is overrated  

    Wrong. He’s a rookie, second round draft pick who leads all NBA guards in rebounding, shoots 51 percent from the field, has a TS% of .617 and an eFG% of .593.

    Yeah…overrated indeed.

  32. HoyaSaxa33

    Frank O.:
    Wrong. He’s a rookie, second round draft pick who leads all NBA guards in rebounding, shoots 51 percent from the field, has a TS% of .617 and an eFG% of .593.Yeah…overrated indeed.  

    I Don’t think there is a knick fan out there who is callin him a superstar Frank is exactly right. Fields is a glue guy that a lot of teams would love

  33. HoyaSaxa33

    Anthony Carter…..i love you right now…Melo gonna show us somethin in this quarter…i got a feelin….and TDougie PLEASE MAKE A SHOT

  34. BigBlueAL

    This lineup is going to cost the Knicks the game. D’Antoni better get a grip on these rotations quick.

  35. HoyaSaxa33

    BigBlueAL: Now BOTH Melo and Amar’e are on the bench in the 4th quarter?? Are you fu****g kidding me?????  

    Could not possibly say this any better myself

  36. BigBlueAL

    For the first time ever Im getting fed up with D’Antoni. WTF is he doing with his rotation this quarter?? Im fine with weird lineups early in the game especially now since he is experimenting, I get that.

    But they have played hard and gotten it to a close game in the 4th quarter and you bench both Amar’e and Melo at the same time when your bench is 5 for 19??? Seriously???

  37. BigBlueAL

    I swear to God if I was at this game I woud run on the court and punch all 3 refs in the freaking face and then spit on them.

  38. Mulligan

    Okay, okay, these guys are winning me over with this one…

    Every time I try to get out, they just pull me right back in.

  39. HoyaSaxa33

    rohank: WTF!!!The refs need to be reviewed. AMARE GOT FOULED BY TWO GUYS ON THAT PLAY NO CALL?????????????????  

    Gonna use the classic DHoward Excuse that he got the ball to the rim so no way he was fouled….

  40. Frank O.

    You know, it looks like that two hour practice focused on defense paid off a bit tonight.
    I know people are upset by the rotations, but D’Antoni’s lineups have thrown Miami off a bit.
    And the Knicks are playing with toughness tonight.
    This game is a step in the right direction

  41. David Crockett

    BigBlueAL: I swear to God if I was at this game I woud run on the court and punch all 3 refs in the freaking face and then spit on them.  

    Joey Crawford would T you up from whatever game he was reffing.

  42. Jim Cavan

    Mulligan: Okay, okay, these guys are winning me over with this one…Every time I try to get out, they just pull me right back in.  

    You had me at Melo?

  43. Kikuchiyo

    d-mar: Why do I hate Bosh so much? I’d rather see Wade and LeBron get 50 points each then him to make one basket.  

    Bosh is always assumed to be a “Big Three” player, but he’s done nothing but lose until this year. Amar’e and Carmelo have both been central parts of winning teams. The real question is: how is Billups less of “superstar” than Bosh? [Not saying that our 3 is better than theirs, though.]

  44. madison square glory

    because of all the star power we have we def should have gone to walker on that. dantonio is odd

  45. jaredrutledge

    i am SO GLAD this rivalry matters again. it’s nice to feel the furnace of hate burning towards miami once again…

  46. rohank

    Mr. Big Shot.

    FINALLY FOR US!!!!!!!!!!!

    P.S. – Amare with 10 rebounds. SOLID defense in the last 3 quarters.

    Melo ASKED to cover LeBron

    Screw you haters – GO KNICKS!!!

  47. Mulligan

    David Crockett: Hubie calling the loss “embarrassing.”
    Damn.  

    Can’t deny that. Miami could have had this one. For the amount of talent they have, their offensive sets are so ugly most of the time…

  48. tastycakes

    That was amazing — the Billups shots, the Stat block, Williams with some CLUTCH free throws. Breathtaking stuff.

  49. Count de Pennies

    Didn’t someone on this board suggest after the Bucks game that this current edition of the Knicks would lose to the Heat by 30?

  50. Frank O.

    Anyone else feel weird seeing Amare going into the locker room and Billups and Carmelo being interviewed?
    melo 29 points on 22 shots, 9 boards and a block.
    Amare 8-14, 16 points, 10 boards, one block and 3 assists.
    Billups 16 points on 11 shots, but only two assists and five TOs.

    weird, weird game.

    This game got won on the defensive end and the knicks won on the boards, 43-42.

    Great game for bill walker. +22 on the night.

  51. JK47

    Not only did the Knicks win this game, they did so with 19 minutes of Anthony Carter thrown in there and the refs giving every call to Miami.

    The Heat aren’t that great.

  52. BigBlueAL

    I will be streaking in the streets of Miami for the next few minutes ranking on the 2 Heat fans I will see along the way…..

  53. Mulligan

    Billups was amazing. And when Hubie Brown is complementing your defense, you know Melo and Stat were doing something right.

    I was definitely going to tune this one out, but was pleasantly surprised. It’ll be interesting to see what role players shake out as consistent and reliable. Not sure what’s up with Landry.. hope his game comes back to him.

  54. Caleb

    Had a family thing going and only saw the end of the 1st half, and then the 4th quarter.

    That out-of-bounds call looked like it was going to cost us the game, for a while.

    If Bill Walker played defense and hit the boards like that every night, he’d be really good. I guess he really is a great 3-point shooter, and I appreciate that he almost never takes good shots, but it’s frustrating that with his athletic ability he doesn’t do more.

    Carmelo out-shooting Stoudemire 2:1 or 3:2 is starting to be a little unsettling.

    Why did Anthony Carter play 19 minutes?

  55. DReDD

    What made it extra sweet for me was not just beating the Heat at home, but it was done on the defensive end

  56. Frank O.

    JK47: Not only did the Knicks win this game, they did so with 19 minutes of Anthony Carter thrown in there and the refs giving every call to Miami.The Heat aren’t that great.  

    See, that’s crap.
    Miami is 43-17.

    Give credit where credit is due. The Knicks played a gritty game. Their stars made big plays down the stretch. melo and Amare played tough, tough D, Billups hit some tough shots and made some clutch steals.
    The Knicks won this game. The Heat didn’t just lose it.

  57. latke

    BigBlueAL: ranking on the 2 Heat fans I will see along the way….. 

    you’ll likely see some dudes wearing lebron jerseys, but they won’t even know there was a game tonight.

    Hopefully everyone in the Knick locker room realizes that we won this game with DEFENSE. Our team TS% was lower tonight than vs. the lowly Cavs.

    Looking at the box score, Bill Walker with a +22… Shelden Williams played? I must have been making a sandwich during those 2 minutes.

    One thing I’m looking forward to is seeing the pick and roll work well. Milwaukee and Miami’s defense is really really good against it (quick guys), and we didn’t really play hard against the Cavs. The magic should give us an opportunity to see how the additions of Carmelo and Billups affect the pick and roll.

  58. bobneptune

    as always…. defense wins games in any sport. held miami to 52 points over the last 3 quarters. the defense on the last 2 miami possessions was top notch and that is what wins close games.

  59. Jim Cavan

    Can we keep this game thread at the top of the homepage until, say, late April?

    Exhibit A as to why defense is more a matter of effort than anything else. I don’t expect us to sustain that every minute of every game, but we should at least recognize we can do it in longer stretches than we’ve done all year.

    Awesome win. Everyone came up clutch in some way, shape or form. And Billups is just an ace.

    Frank O.: Anyone else feel weird seeing Amare going into the locker room and Billups and Carmelo being interviewed?

    I just think it’s the new girlfriend thing with the media. They’ll probably get a lot of the cameras for at least a few more games. Whether that bothers Amar’e I don’t know. But I doubt it.

    In the long run though I see Amar’e becoming more the vocal / spiritual leader, and Melo being the go-to guy, the gunner. I think Billups’ role in that respect is underrated — he’s a good buffer that will help Stat and Melo find that dynamic for the long haul, while being an immediate on-court general. I could be totally off, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that became the dynamic.

  60. Frank O.

    massive: I couldn’t watch it on ESPN. Was Jon Barry eating crow?  

    They were killing me. The predictions at the start were lebron scoring 40 and D-Wade getting 40. they were predicting triple doubles….
    Experts…

  61. JK47

    @286

    I’m not taking anything away from NYK. The Knicks played a great game. I’m in my Ewing jersey jumping up and down and screaming at the teevee, it’s not like I’m not super geeked over this.

    Sure, the Heat are 43-17 but they’re far from the unbeatable juggernaut the hype machine tells us they are. They’re great at beating up on the weak teams in the NBA but when they’re playing opponents who they don’t blow out of the water talent-wise they’re a little soft.

  62. massive

    Frank O.:
    They were killing me. The predictions at the start were lebron scoring 40 and D-Wade getting 40. they were predicting triple doubles….
    Experts…  

    I know. Wilbon even said the Heat would score 126 on us, then Barry made a slick remark about how it was low because Cleveland only scored 115. Those guys are really disgusting when they want to be.

  63. endyendy

    Count de Pennies: Didn’t someone on this board suggest after the Bucks game that this current edition of the Knicks would lose to the Heat by 30?  

    Nah, he said the Heat would have beat the Bucks by 30 in that game.

    Frank O.: Anyone else feel weird seeing Amare going into the locker room and Billups and Carmelo being interviewed?  

    Amar’e was interviewed right away on MSG.

  64. ww007

    Wow definitely an impressive win. I seriously thought we were gonna get blown out by like 20 points tonight. The key was definitely our defense… it just goes to show that we CAN play defense if we wanted to, even Melo. Now there’s no excuse for playing poor defense the rest of the year: if the Knicks ever sag on D again, D’Antoni can just refer to this game as proof that we can be good on D.

    Seems like some of the bench players played pretty good D actually. I wonder if this is gonna be a strategy where we turn to our bench for some D if the starters aren’t getting it done. Of course the Heat aren’t exactly stacked in the middle and I think we’re still gonna have trouble defending the Dwight Howards of the world.

  65. Frank O.

    JK47: @286I’m not taking anything away from NYK.The Knicks played a great game.I’m in my Ewing jersey jumping up and down and screaming at the teevee, it’s not like I’m not super geeked over this.Sure, the Heat are 43-17 but they’re far from the unbeatable juggernaut the hype machine tells us they are.They’re great at beating up on the weak teams in the NBA but when they’re playing opponents who they don’t blow out of the water talent-wise they’re a little soft.  

    I was probably a little harsher than I would prefer in my comment. Apologies.
    I think they are an extraordinarily dangerous team. But they are still wobbly when facing tough defense. Knicks have some good defenders on the bench and they showed themselves tonight.
    And the Knicks have some extraordinary athletes now, with a field general who doesn’t get fluttered.
    This could be a very tough team in a few games.

  66. Jim Cavan

    KnicksFanInVA: Can’t believe MDA played 11 guys tonight  

    It actually kinda makes sense. Miami is often with two guys on the floor who are marginal to non-existent offensive threats. You throw Shelden Williams on Erik Dampier a little here and Anthony Carter on Mario Chalmers a few minutes there, you can give the other guys rest, so long as you have either Amar’e or Melo on the court.

  67. Z-man

    Riley is dusting off his coaching suits after that one, mark my words.

    Billups…I wanted to kill him after that T; then he totally dominates the stretch of this monster game. Balls out, baby!

  68. Jim Cavan

    Here’s something that’s not mentioned a lot but should be: we’re really good at shooting free throws.

    Something completely different: love seeing Gerald Wallace in Portland, surrounded by a fan base that cares.

  69. nicos

    Great win! Hats off to Bill Walker who really played well defensively- hard to complain about Shawne Williams who played hard and hit some clutch free throws but his offensive game has just collapsed as of late- that late lay-up has to be an and-1 especially when Mike Miller is the only guy back- and he’s no longer hitting that corner three so I think some of his minutes could be up for grabs.

    Also- have to a lot of credit to Melo- played LBJ well esp. late and while he did take a couple of bad 22 footers, he really helped keep the Knicks close with a ton of timely hoops throughout the game. Amar’e played pretty well defensively the whole game and didn’t force much of anything offensively.

  70. BigBlueAL

    I dunno what seed the Knicks will wind up with but one thing I do know regardless of whoever they play in the 1st round they are going to be a tough out in the playoffs.

  71. Garson

    amazing defensive win… Didnt think they had it in them!

    Can we all agree that if they played this hard vs the cavs, they would be 3-0 in the billups era?

  72. jon abbey

    Caleb:
    Why did Anthony Carter play 19 minutes?  

    he was guarding Wade, he did a very good job. Shawne Williams was terrible all game but somehow still in at crunch time, and hit all 4 big FTs.

    that block by Amare was flat-out abusive, I was screaming. and Mr. Big Shot is in blue and orange now, that three was amazing.

    in all the analysis and overanalysis of the Melo deal, somehow no one seems to have remembered that Melo is in LeBron’s head a bit, it will be interesting to watch that going forward.

  73. d-mar

    Someone asked why Carter player 19 minutes. I think you guys heard that he told D”Antoni he could guard D Wade, and he really did back it up. Wade was 5-15 with 12 points after getting 41 the game before. He did a great job of staying in front of D Wade and getting him out of his comfort zone. A really ballsy move by D’Antoni if you ask me.

  74. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey:
    he was guarding Wade, he did a very good job. Shawne Williams was terrible all game but somehow still in at crunch time, and hit all 4 big FTs.
    that block by Amare was flat-out abusive, I was screaming. and Mr. Big Shot is in blue and orange now, that three was amazing.
    in all the analysis and overanalysis of the Melo deal, somehow no one seems to have remembered that Melo is in LeBron’s head a bit, it will be interesting to watch that going forward.  

    Interesting you bring that up, ESPN last night had a stat that said Melo is 8-4 and 9-3 vs Wade and LeBron (forgot which is which but Im pretty sure those were the exact records).

    Im sure its irrelevant but a fun stat to cite regardless lol.

  75. GHenman

    Playing Carter was smart. He is a tough defender. That’s why he’s been in the league this long. He obviously can’t shoot.

  76. BahamaKnick

    Was at the game, first NBA game I have ever attended (I live in the Bahamas) and must say the Knicks were well represented it looked and sounded like close to half of the people there were Knicks fans. Some notes from the game. Even when we trailed or struggled for a few stretches I never felt like we were out of the game everyone that played looked very comfortable and composed. Melo is a beast, Billups proved his nickname, STAT did most of the other things he needed to do to help the team (big rebounds & bigger blocks) and the bench was effective (I was shocked to see Carter get minutes but he played decent defense). Really enjoyed myself and thinking seriously about going to the Orlando game while I am in Florida this week. Nice Win Go Knicks!!!!

  77. hoolahoop

    Best game of the last ten years! They could lose all the remaining games this season and I’d still be happy.

    A. Carter played nineteen minutes because he guarded Wade a lot in practice and told coach that he could stop him.

  78. jon abbey

    Melo now 10-4 head-to-head against LeBron, wow.

    so, maybe I’m forgetting someone, but off the top of my head, NY now has their best SF since Bernard King, their best PF since at least Oakley, and their best sane PG since late career Derek Harper (avoiding the Marbury conundrum).

  79. MoogSM

    Obviously a big win. If we can show that kind of fourth quarter intensity, at least in big spurts, we can win a first round series if we get the right dray.

    Long-term, I think we need two things. One is another high-efficiency star. If we could get Billups to stay after next year for a decent price, he might be the guy. But more likely, we need Paul or Williams. Let’s hope their teams are just terrible.

    More importantly, we need a new coach. I love D’Antoni, love seven seconds or less, loved his Suns teams, but I don’t think he’s the man for this team. He’s great at squeezing points out of players, but Amare and Melo will give us plenty of those already, and they’re not really fast break guys. We need someone like a Thibodeau a Lawrence Frank, or (fingers crossed, Van Gundy), someone who can make these guys commit to a defensive system. The last couple years has shown that players who were weak individually at defense (like Ray Allen) can change gears in the right system and atmosphere. I love D’Antoni, but he’s never going to make that happen.

    Right now, this team needs a decent big man — even someone like Pryzbilla — and a defensive-minded coach. In a year and a half, a “pure” point, since Billups is probably gone. Then we’re genuine championship contenders.

  80. Brian Cronin

    I was at an Oscar party and I got them to change it to the game for the last minute. Very awesome.

  81. jon abbey

    I think D’Antoni is part of the deal for these stars, they want to play in his system and not for a Sloan or Skiles or Thibodeau type who is always on their ass, rightly or wrongly.

  82. Brian Cronin

    I believe D’Antoni’s brother is the ostensible “defensive coordinator” for the Knicks, and I don’t believe he will be okay with replacing his own brother.

  83. daJudge

    Thank you Jon Abbey at 321–”best sane pg”….”avoiding the Marbury conundrum” That’s great. Made me laugh this icy Monday morning.

  84. Frank O.

    I have to say I think it’s unfair to call out D’Antoni, IMHO.
    The Knicks just played one of their grittiest defensive games in years, with D’Antoni squeezing every last ounce of effort out of reserve defenders, and someone says he’s not the guy to lead this team. Just not fair, but there will always be people with differing views.
    I think Walsh has put together an interesting mix of players.
    He’s got a few defensively focused players, something they lacked before. They have a mix of veterans and young guys, but their two best players are in their primes.
    The fact is, you need to great scorers and a field general.
    Then the rest of the guys need to focus on defense, hit shots occasionally and rebound.
    They are still weak on the boards. But they have defenders now.
    I think Landry is going to become a 3 pt shooter for this team, but that will affect his board work.
    I predict they will have a lot of trouble against the Magic for lack of a big man, but the other pieces on the Magic are weak. Amazing how badly the Magic has managed its cap.

  85. d-mar

    Last night on Mik’ed Up (and it should really be called Bruce’d up, since Mike hasn’t been on for like a month) the 2 guests were Berman and Wojonarski. I’m sure the two of them had their typically negative spiels prepared ahead of time, and it was funny listening to them improvise on the fly and try and say something positive after the Knicks victory.

    The bandwagon is standing room only, at least for today.

  86. TDM

    Anthony Carter? Who knew? The guy really looked great spelling Billips. Great active defense. When he and Balk were included in the trade, I was pissed since I figured it was two more bookends taking space on the bench. Happily surprised. Balk had at least a couple of really unnecessary fouls, but liked how he was active as well. Still looks like a project however.

    Is Brewer injured? Didn’t even see him on the bench.

  87. Nick C.

    They could field a defensive unit of Carter, Brewer, TD, Balkman and Turiaf. If they can force some TOs and put pressure it might make things interesting and if not then swap in Melo or Amare.

    Brewer was inactive but as far as I know he was playing with Minnesota right up till the trade.

  88. NateRobinson

    Bill Walker +22!! He had a career game last night. Also, could Walsh be holding up on signing Barron because he wants a shot a Murphy? I mean it seems logical to me…

    Why does Roger Mason keep being active instead of Rautins or Brewer. Makes no sense to me.

  89. BG

    Really liked what I saw on the defensive end last night. everyone on this board has been harping on Melo for his lack of defense but last night he delivered big time on both ends. His presence on the defensive end motivated guys like Billy Walker to play excellent defense….r u serious? Billy Walker was playing D thats fantastic. If Melo Amare and Billups continue to bring it every night the rest of the guys will undoubtedly follow. Count me in as thinking this team can be dangerous if they continue to mesh and get it together on offense for an entire game. Lets go knicks !!!!!

  90. jon abbey

    I don’t know how useful Carter will be against other teams, he could defend Wade specifically because he’d seen him so much in practice when they were teammates. Mason really seems like he should be the one to go when Jeffries is signed, him or Rautins.

    and free Corey Brewer!

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