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Friday, October 24, 2014

152 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Hawks

  1. BigBlueAL

    Chandler out with a strained calf, Silent E with the start. Not sure Im liking Amar’e having to deal with Horford. Although not much better having him cover Josh Smith I guess.

  2. BigBlueAL

    TD must be the worst passer in the history of the NBA. Unreal how awful he is in making routine passes.

  3. rohank

    @4: 2nd link of firstrow.net is MSG. That is working better for me.

    Knicks looking very lethargic. Maybe the loss of chandler?

  4. latke

    Hawks are a bad matchup for the knicks. They are like us except longer and perhaps more athletic, so our speed doesn’t bother them.

  5. rohank

    Horrendous transition defense. Too many ppl going for O-boards or trailing the play.

    Would love to see AR or Mozgov here with Amare in foul trouble

  6. Kevin McElroy

    BigBlueAL: TD must be the worst passer in the history of the NBA.Unreal how awful he is in making routine passes.  

    Sad to say I kind of agree with this. I think his inability to emerge as a quality third guard — or show any progress in that direction from last year — has been arguably the biggest disappointment this season.

  7. d-mar

    When did Felton forget how to shoot a basketball?

    Tonight would be a good one to break AR out of mothballs. What does D’Antoni have to lose, the Knicks have little to no chance of winning this game anyway.

  8. Thomas B.

    Well the defense look fantastic tonight. The Knicks just cant score the ball. Boy do we need Melo.

  9. BigBlueAL

    Games like tonight make me wish the NBA would do away with back-to-back games for teams unless BOTH teams are playing the 2nd of back-to-backs (which still would suck because it would most likely mean an ugly game). Seriously this game was so predictable its not even funny.

  10. ltmurray

    I’m finding myself not caring about this game, but I can’t tell why. I think the Knicks are feeling the same way.

  11. TheXman

    haven’t watch the first half, looking at the score, looks like we got lucky to get our fluke win last night. Didn’t we actually own the Hawks last year? Anyways, surprised Horford isn’t outright dominating, will still have his best game of the year I guess.

  12. rohank

    a LOT of stuff for the Knicks is just plain old BAD LUCK. Ball is LITERALLY not bouncing their way

  13. KnickInSeattle

    Anyone somewhat suspicious about Chandler sitting tonight?
    Are we certain it’s the calf and not a trade hold out?

    More to the point, I’m not sure why you guys are totally stuck on AR and Mozgov…especially AR.

    While his career minutes before this year have shown potential, he has no apparent ability to contribute a meaningful performance, and surely it’s too early to say this game is in garbage time.

  14. TheXman

    good start to the 2nd half, chances go up to win this game by lengthening the lead, just put the bench in now.

  15. BigBlueAL

    TheXman: haven’t watch the first half, looking at the score, looks like we got lucky to get our fluke win last night.Didn’t we actually own the Hawks last year?Anyways, surprised Horford isn’t outright dominating, will still have his best game of the year I guess.  

    Im waiting for maurice lucas and greatscott to chime in now too. Games like tonight are a trolls’ dream.

  16. KnickInSeattle

    Silly Atlanta announcer keeps saying the Knicks are the worst shot-blocking team in the league. Haven’t they been in the top 5 all season long?

  17. BigBlueAL

    They were 1st in the league in blocks just last week so I assume if they arent still 1st they are in the Top 2 or 3.

  18. rohank

    @31: Old habits die hard?

    See – first Gallo doesn’t get the bounce. Then felton gets fouled no call

  19. Jake S.

    When things are going bad, Gallinari looks like such a pussy. Grab the f-ing ball and go up. Jesus.

  20. Jake S.

    Did anyone else vomit a little in their mouth when they showed that replay of Marvin Williams rolling over Stoudemire’s knee?

  21. Thomas B.

    Hey 91 points in 3 quarters doesnt mean the Knicks play bad defense. Sometimes every one of the opponents’ players hit impossible shots even against the best defense. Those offensive boards well that is just a series of very lucky bounces.

  22. TheXman

    Well theres a 10% chance that we could steal this game, the knicks are playing a little better D.

  23. latke

    Douglas is a +6 on the game, tops on the knicks. I don’t know if now is the time to trash talk him.

  24. Thomas B.

    latke: Douglas is a +6 on the game, tops on the knicks. I don’t know if now is the time to trash talk him.  

    Best of a group of bad does not equal good.

  25. latke

    at least a half dozen lucky rolls/bounces for the hawks tonight. The game could easily be tied if the rims loved on the knicks a little more and the hawks a little less.

  26. Frank O.

    latke: at least a half dozen lucky rolls/bounces for the hawks tonight. The game could easily be tied if the rims loved on the knicks a little more and the hawks a little less.  

    seriously. Atlanta has gotten several shots that bounced at least three or four times on the rim and went in. The Crawford prayer shot was ridiculous….

  27. Jake S.

    Just once, I’d like to see Gallinari finish a play when he’s fouled. Must he always crash to the ground in a heap?

  28. BigBlueAL

    I dont understand, the Sixers lost tonight. Them losing tonight and the Knicks winning last night was not supposed to happen.

  29. BigBlueAL

    If Josh Smith is going to be hitting 3pters to beat the shot clock then you know its not the Knicks night.

  30. rama

    BigBlueAL: If Josh Smith is going to be hitting 3pters to beat the shot clock then you know its not the Knicks night.  (Quote)

    Have to agree. Happy they didn’t quit, though! Heart.

  31. Jake S.

    TheXman
    January 28, 2011 at 9:41 pm
    lol it’s their night, josh smith making a 3, what a joke

    Co-sign.

  32. d-mar

    Thomas B.: Even the top defenses such as New York’s give up an open three from time to time.  

    Thomas B. what happened? Have you been hanging with Maurice Lucas?

  33. d-mar

    That may have been one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen when Horford was at the FT line. The Knicks fans were booing his first shot, and he had to implore the fans to cheer for his second. Atlanta sports fans are still some of the worst in the country.

  34. Jake S.

    Danilo is bumming me out. He shoots 42% from the field and plays mediocre to bad defense. What am I missing here?

  35. Thomas B.

    rama: Thomas, you’re starting to sound like a troll.  

    Starting?
    Seriously I wonder if folks know what a troll is. According to Wikipedia:
    “In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”

    I am on topic. I am not inciting an emotional response. I am not inflammatory. I am simply using sarcasm to make the point that the Knick defense isnt good.

    “The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group’s common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members.”

    After 3 years and some 40 plus articles I’m an impostor? Really?

    Call me a sarcastic bitter jerk who takes a joke to far, but spare me the troll comments please. I am a true blue KBer 4 life. But the defense does stink.

  36. Frank O.

    Frank O.:
    sarcastic bitter jerk who takes a joke to far  

    Defense wasn’t great, but Atlanta got at least 10 shots with ridiculously generous bounces, and that is not hyperbole. Atlanta worked the boards with more energy and dominated the paint, but their shooting was funny to watch. Crawford’s last jumper hit the rim, went 5 ft into the air and dropped through the net, and that wasn’t even close to the luckiest bounce.
    But I get what you say about defense

  37. TheXman

    with TMac playing pretty well in Detroit, too bad we didn’t end up signing him for 850k a year. That’s some good value, could’ve used someone with his kind of skills vs. someone like TD.

  38. Brian Cronin

    The previous win sure showed them they ought to give the ball to Gallo more. The guy ended up with less shots than any of the starting five! He shot 50% from the field (including 50% from 3-point land) and he gets five less shots than Extra E! Douglas got the same amount of shot attempts!

    Weird. I would have figured they would have tried to involve him more.

  39. Thomas B.

    Okay seriously I was a bit harsh on the Knick defense, and I went poo-poo on many positive comments (see 47). I’ll try to be a bit more positive for the next game. Sorry, it’s been a long stressful week.

  40. d-mar

    For those ready to jump on the Sixers bandwagon (yes ML, that includes you) Philly was up 73-57 on Memphis at home going into the 4th quarter. and was outscored 42-21 in the final quarter to lose by 5. 42 points in the 4th quarter, are you kidding me? That’s hard to believe.

  41. Frank O.

    TheXman: with TMac playing pretty well in Detroit, too bad we didn’t end up signing him for 850k a year.That’s some good value, could’ve used someone with his kind of skills vs. someone like TD.  

    Oh please. Are you friggin’ kidding me??? TMAC can’t defend a cripple. TD plays solid D and works his ass off, and he’s playing with two sprained shoulders for two months now. I’m so tired of every time the Knicks lose a game someone proposes a trade or pines for some retread limited skilled and low energy reject who is just hanging on for his life in the NBA.
    Christ! Do you really expect the Knicks to win every game? Does every time they lose give license to someone to demand some trade for some crap or some imbalanced trade that guts the team for an inefficient scorer just because tonight the grass happens to be greener? I mean are you aware of the fact that half the damn team is under 23, and the Knicks second best scorer was out with a hurt calf?
    How fickle can people be?
    They played a second half of a back to back , home and road, against one of the better teams in the east shorthanded, fought back from a 24 point deficit, and lose a tough one…AND TMac is going to solve all the Knicks problems? Or the defense isn’t good enough?
    I mean, last night people were saying it wasn’t a legit win because Bosh was injured, but tonight is a legit loss when WC is injured?

    Consistency, please.

  42. Frank O.

    Thomas B.: Okay seriously I was a bit harsh on the Knick defense, and I went poo-poo on many positive comments (see 47). I’ll try to be a bit more positive for the next game.Sorry, it’s been a long stressful week.  

    Wow. That might have been bigger than the win last night. :)

  43. Thomas B.

    Frank O.:
    Defense wasn’t great, but Atlanta got at least 10 shots with ridiculously generous bounces, and that is not hyperbole. Atlanta worked the boards with more energy and dominated the paint, but their shooting was funny to watch.

    True many super lucky bounces and the defense was actually not bad in the 4th.
    Look evaluating defense is hard. Its is hard to quantify in some stats and viewers will all take something different from watching a game. For me, I consider defensive rebounding a key element in defense as it limits scoring opportunities. I think we can all agree that no matter how well a unit plays or how well any player sticks his man (I’ll drop the open threes because that is a natural consequence of facing a team that can move the ball, especially if you ever double) if you keep giving up second chance points, your defense will at least look really bad and probably give up more points than it should.
    Knicks get 24 defensive boards, give up 13 offensive boards and allow the Hawks an eFG% of 55. No matter how good they may look, those numbers don’t bear a good defensive effort. But lets play what if. Say the Hawks miss 8 of the 10 lucky bounces, the Knicks would still lose about a 3 of the 8 defensive boards, give up 1.5 FG then only convert 2 of the remaining five possession into points. Everything else being the same, the Knicks probably still lose. Lucky shots or not the defensive rebounding must get much better.

  44. TheXman

    Frank O.: of a back to back , home and road, against one of the better teams in the east shorthanded, fought back from a 24 point deficit, and lose a tough one…AND TMac is going to solve all the Knicks problems? Or the defense isn’t good enough?

    TMac has shown to be still effective, I mean at 850k a year, that’s not terrible value. I know there are a lot of WoW ppl on here, and TMac has been shown to above average. Is TD above average? He plays good D at what cost? Did you see those 2 fouls in the 4th quarter? What ’bout the gambles on steals he makes and questionable shot selection? Yea the team is very young, that’s why I’m saying a little veteran experience wouldn’t hurt.

  45. Frank O.

    Thomas B.:
    True many super lucky bounces and the defense was actually not bad in the 4th.
    Look evaluating defense is hard. Its is hard to quantify in some stats and viewers will all take something different from watching a game.Forme, I consider defensive rebounding a key element in defense as it limits scoring opportunities. I think we can all agree that no matter how well a unit plays or how well any player sticks his man (I’ll drop the open threes because that is a natural consequence of facing a team that can move the ball, especially if you ever double) if you keep giving up second chance points, your defense will at least look really bad and probably give up more points than it should.
    Knicks get 24 defensive boards, give up 13 offensive boards and allow the Hawks an eFG% of 55. No matter how good they may look, those numbers don’t bear a good defensive effort.But lets play what if. Say the Hawks miss 8 of the 10 lucky bounces, the Knicks would still lose about a 3 of the 8 defensive boards, give up 1.5 FG then only convert 2 of the remaining five possession into points.Everything else being the same, the Knicks probably still lose.Lucky shots or not the defensive rebounding must get much better.  

    You are right about the rebounding.

  46. Frank O.

    Frank O.:
    You are right about the rebounding.  

    oddly, it’s more frustrating watching that ball bounce around in clutch moments and find the net. But I am frustrated by the rebounding. I have rarely seen a team give up more O boards.

  47. Frank O.

    TheXman:
    TMac has shown to be still effective, I mean at 850k a year, that’s not terrible value.I know there are a lot of WoW ppl on here, and TMac has been shown to above average.Is TD above average?He plays good D at what cost?Did you see those 2 fouls in the 4th quarter?What ’bout the gambles on steals he makes and questionable shot selection?Yea the team is very young, that’s why I’m saying a little veteran experience wouldn’t hurt.  

    T-mac had his run in NYC. He was a rental.
    He’s playing for a bad team. On the Knicks, he barely get the ball, let alone be very effective in a high tempo offense.
    And if the defense is bad now, take away one of the Knicks more effective defenders and replace him with a disinterested defender.
    Sure, they’ll get better…

  48. Thomas B.

    Really D’Antoni’s lineups make the team look worse on defense. Amare at center with Chandler at the undersized PF makes things tough up front.

  49. nicos

    Yeah the rebounding was awful- Stat with only three?? And Gallo really has to at least make an effort to get on the glass- among SF’s playing 30+ minutes his TR% is the second worst in the league- only Carlos Delfino is worse. That’s unacceptable. Stat’s 13.6 TR% needs to be better (the average for 30 minute+ PF’s is 14.5, for C’s 14.6) and everybody needs to try to put a body on somebody.
    One positive was that while Felton still struggled with the jumper, he did finish better inside than he has been- he’s been awful both inside and out lately so hopefully getting some inside shots to go down can help get him going. They do need to find more shots for both Gallo and Fields though I think Atlanta really didn’t give those two a whole lot of room on the perimeter.

  50. Frank O.

    Frank O.:
    T-mac had his run in NYC. He was a rental.
    He’s playing for a bad team. On the Knicks, he barely get the ball, let alone be very effective in a high tempo offense.
    And if the defense is bad now, take away one of the Knicks more effective defenders and replace him with a disinterested defender.
    Sure, they’ll get better…  

    too snarky. Not sure why I’m so snarky today. apologies

  51. Caleb

    I was at the game tonight – since I rarely get to see the Knicks in person these days, just thought I’d add a few in-person impressions.

    They looked like the plane landed an hour before the game. SLow on rotations, slow to the ball, slow reflexes. Even one missed rebound almost hit Landry in the head. They looked a lot sharper in the second half. The grit, physical fitness, whatever, was impressive. SStill, all in all Felton was the only guy who looked like he had no hangover from the night before. Even D’Antoni looked tired. Or disgusted.

    Bad as the Knicks D was in the first half, the Hawks were very, very sharp. Every pass was crisp and every shot hit nothing but net.

    Josh Smith is always good, but he was extra-amped for this one. On the alley-oop he went about 12 feet high, and then there was that block on Gallo everyone is talking about. He was taking guys off the dribble, going behind his back, hitting his 3s.. spectacular. Horford, too, and JJ had a good night. When the Hawks have it going like that I could see them beating the Bulls in a 7-game series.

    AR looks bored out of his mind. He was watching the kiss-cam instead of the huddle. Not that I blame him.

    I was sitting around a few other Knicks fans, including a dad and his two young daughters, and when the fight broke out, he yelled, “we may have lost but at least we’re going to go down swinging!” Luckily he was joking. Atlanta crowds are pretty mellow.

    I wondered if AR slipped Williams a C-note to throw that punch – this could be his big opportunity.

  52. JK47

    The frontcourt defense… It just stinks.

    I’m happy overall with the direction of the team. I mean, if you’d have told me before the season that we’d get NOTHING out of Mozgov and Randolph, that Landry Fields would be starting every game and that Shawne Williams would be a key rotation player, and then told me that we’d be an above .500 team, I’d have told you you’re crazy.

    At the same time, I have some serious misgivings about the coach. Sometimes I wish we had a normal, “traditional” coach who had a balanced approach to the game instead of this gimmicky, offense-oriented, small ball style that we play. For one, it really limits your personnel choices. We can’t go out and get a bruising forward who can fix our rebounding problems, because those types of players don’t bring enough offense, especially outside shooting, to play in D’Antoni’s system.

    There are only a limited number of talented players available to begin with. Trying to find guys who fit into this idiosyncratic system and who can help shore up our weaknesses is going to be very challenging.

  53. Jake S.

    Well put, JK 47. How many centers can run a motion offense, defend, pass and rebound? Dwight Howard. That’s it. And I don’t think the Knicks become an elite team until they get a 5 to clear the glass.

  54. Brian Cronin

    I wondered if AR slipped Williams a C-note to throw that punch – this could be his big opportunity.

    You kidding? Sunday we will get to see Bill Walker…power forward!!

  55. latke

    I am pretty sure what will happen (if chandler sits again) is we’ll see Turiaf start, then Gallinari play the 4 when STAT or Turiaf are out. Austin Daye and Charley Villanueva are not exactly intimidating. If we have foul trouble at the 3/4/5 spots though he’ll have to either play Mozgov or Randolph, and Mozgov is probably his preferred choice.

    Even then though the only way I see AR getting burn is if the pistons have some sort of janky lineup with Villanueva and Daye at the 4 and 5. I can’t imagine MDA resisting the opportunity to go small alongside them, even if it means playing a dude who he clearly doesn’t think much of.

  56. massive

    I think Nene would be a perfect fit at the 5 for us. He can rebound, defend, pass, has range beyond the free throw line, and is a good low-post offensive player. He’s also boasting a TS% of .694, and a WS/48 of .217 this season. Why isn’t he the Denver Nugget we’re after?

  57. BigBlueAL

    The Knicks are in good company as the Lakers also lost at home to the Sacramento Kings tonight.

  58. Shad0wF0x

    I think this was discussed before so sorry if I’m beating a dead horse here, but if Carmelo’s not going to be traded within the season, are the Knicks going to do anything about Curry’s contract?

    I mean unrealistically, I’d like this to happen. Since the contract expires in time for the Howard, Williams, Paul free agency it’ll work well for us.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4577qr4

    massive: I think Nene would be a perfect fit at the 5 for us. He can rebound, defend, pass, has range beyond the free throw line, and is a good low-post offensive player. He’s also boasting a TS% of .694, and a WS/48 of .217 this season. Why isn’t he the Denver Nugget we’re after?  

    Agreed.

  59. Caleb

    @113 What’s in it for the Nuggets? Wed’ have to add Chandler or Gallo or a couple of picks. It’d prob be worth it but I don’t think DW is thinking that way. Not sure the Nugs are, either.

  60. Shad0wF0x

    I just can’t think of many centers who would fit into D’Antoni’s idea of a center right now. According to Trade Machine, Curry + Randolph works salary wise for Nene. But I can still see little motivation for Denver to do so.

  61. Owen

    Sign me up up for some Nene Sign me up for anyone who provides surplus value. Carmelo doesn’t thats for sure….

  62. d-mar

    BigBlueAL: The Knicks are in good company as the Lakers also lost at home to the Sacramento Kings tonight.  

    And the Suns crushed the Celts. Looks like those 2 awful home losses have spurred the Kings and Suns on to greater things lol( I did say after we crushed the Suns in Phoenix that I didn’t think they were as bad as they looked that night and could compete for a playoff spot)

  63. Z

    Brian Cronin:
    You kidding? Sunday we will get to see Bill Walker…power forward!!  

    Ha! Yes, this could be interesting. Figure if Chandler and Williams are out Turiaf starts. But, yeah– if it comes to it, I’d expect Walker to get 48 minutes before Randolph get’s one…

  64. d-mar

    Azibuke saying he’s ready to play, but we’ve heard that tune before. Timing would be pretty good though with all our injuries/upcoming suspensions.

  65. Brian Cronin

    I am pretty sure what will happen (if chandler sits again) is we’ll see Turiaf start, then Gallinari play the 4 when STAT or Turiaf are out.

    That is most likely what will happen, but I just got a kick out of thinking of Walker playing the 4 ahead of AR. :)

  66. daaarn

    Off topic, but I figure I’d ask here: where’s a good place online (other than the NBA Store) that has a wide selection of Knicks caps?

    Particularly fitted or stretch-fit caps w/ a basic design (ie, just the logo, and none of those patterns or textures I see on so many “fashion” caps nowadays). I’ve been rocking my current Knicks cap for awhile, but I figure now would be a good time to get a new one.

  67. ess-dog

    Poor AR. I hope he gets some burn after the All Star break.
    As for us, it sounds like we need to brace for Melo. Even though I won’t be psyched, I’ll be glad for anyone to take shots away from Felton. He’s become such a chucker. I think the most likely player to not be traded is Gallo, but if he doesn’t get the ball now, will he ever when Melo is in town? And although a frontline of Gallo, Melo and Stat might score a lot, the post-defense and rebounding could be even worse than now. Maybe that’s why they value Chandler so highly?

  68. kburt8

    I hope Amare sits. He needs the rest and we need to see just what we have on the bench in Mozgov and AR. It would be great if one could earn a few minutes of PT going forward.

  69. John Kenney

    My number one wish is that if Stat truly can’t play, D’Antoni gives AR 35+minutes so we can have one decent game sample to judge him by. Although I think the Chandler thing is part soreness/part trade scaredness and so I’d imagine he’d suddenly be healthy if Stats out

  70. Doug

    On a macro level, it would be good if Amar’e sits and AR gets to play.

    On a micro level, HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT WE’RE FUCKED.

  71. latke

    I want to see the all defensive lineup vs. Detroit: Mozgov, Turiaf, Randolph, Fields, Felton. It would be a real mindfuck.

  72. John Kenney

    “The Kings, sources say, are open to moving big man Samuel Dalembert during the next 27 days before the deadline, but they remain unwilling to take back anything other than expiring contracts to preserve maximum flexibility on the other side of a new collective bargaining agreement … unless someone wants to donate a star. With Dalembert possessing an expiring contract valued at $13.4 million, it’s not easy to find a match that keeps the Kings in the same cap position as they are now.”

    I assume we’re looking into this???

  73. Brian Cronin

    I assume we’re looking into this???

    Probably only if the Melo deal doesn’t happen, so it will be 2:55 PM on February 24th before they give Sacto a call.

  74. Brian Cronin

    Too bad he couldn’t have picked up a few techs last night… Kill 2 birds…

    Ha! That would have been awesome to just have Amar’e start cursing the ref out at the end of the game.

  75. latke

    Re: dalembert

    I dunno. Unless we trade all our expirings and keep chandler (meaning we would be going over the cap to resign chandler and could thus go over the cap to resign dalembert as well), I don’t see it as worth it. He might help us get a little better this season, but he’ll also end any chance of AR or Mozgov getting minutes and developing, and since he’s not the kind of player who would change us into a contender, I would rather just play the youngs, for better or for worse. If we really want him, we can just sign him in the offseason.

  76. Brian Cronin

    but he’ll also end any chance of AR or Mozgov getting minutes and developing

    I think that’s already happened. But yeah, if I felt that it hadn’t, I wouldn’t be for getting him, either.

  77. ess-dog

    AR is done here. I don’t even see him playing against the Pistons. Moz, maybe. God I’ll be so happy to see the trade deadline this year.

  78. jon abbey

    next Friday and Sunday against Philly matter a lot more than the next two in terms of protecting our #6 spot, so hopefully Amare and Chandler are back healthy by then.

  79. Thomas B.

    latke: Re: dalembertI dunno…He might help us get a little better this season, but he’ll also end any chance of AR or Mozgov getting minutes and developing…

    I never thought about Dalembert’s impact on AR or Obey. I just assumed neither of them had a shot to crack the rotation under any circumstance. Then again, we dont have Dalembert now and neither of them have played meaningful minutes in months. I’d love to know exaclty what AR is good or bad but I just dont see that happening here. I think you need a Dalembert type to get past Chicago. We need the rebounding.

  80. JK47

    I still think Mozgov is in NYK’s long-term plans. I think we might see him get some run in this game against the Pistons tomorrow.

    I, for one, like the idea of Dalembert, who is a true impact rebounder. 11.4 rebounds per 36 minutes over his career. He’d be the best rebounder on the team. He’s been awful this year for Sacto but I bet we could get 20 decent minutes out of him per game. His TS% numbers are usually at least tolerable and I think his offensive performance this year with Sacto is an aberration.

  81. Z

    I too would approve of turning Curry into Dalembert. If we were going to trade Curry alone (or Curry + small change) for somebody, he’s probably the best we could get, all things considered.

  82. jon abbey

    JK47: He’d be the best rebounder on the team.  

    I would be the best rebounder on the team. OK, second best behind Fields.

  83. latke

    would you trade azuibuike straight up for yi jianlian? Big enough to put up a fight in the post, range out to the 3pt line, might really benefit from the fact that the offense would make him exclusively into a spot up shooter. He doesn’t play much for Washington, and WAS would save about $5 million between luxury tax relief and buke’s insured contract. He is still only 23 years old. He averages about 8 rebounds and a block per 36.

    You could also try something like this if you wanted to add a big and a guard: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4lvohgv

    Hinrich, IMO, is everything we want douglas to be: a smart defender who can still run the offense. IMO he’s better than Udrih (due to defense and passing), and Jianlian has the potential to be for us what Channing Frye is for Phoenix.

    BTW, Nick Young is an RFA at the end of this season. I think he could be the next rip hamilton except with better range (somewhere between hamilton and Kevin Martin). The numbers compare pretty well: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=youngni01&y1=2011&p2=martike02&y2=2008&p3=hamilri01&y3=2003

    Do you think Washington will match any offer? What do you think his market value is? He’s a player I’d love to have here who could grow with our young core. I know he doesn’t match our needs biggest needs (although he’s a better scorer than any other Knick wing IMO), but if Nene or Gasol fall through, I think he is definitely worth looking at. We can always make other moves to balance our roster.

  84. DS

    Why on earth would Sacramento give up Dalembert, a rotation player for Curry?

    Speaking of the Kings, their wins against the Lakers and Hornets on consecutive nights makes me feel better about the Knicks’ loss to them. DeMarcus looks like he’s starting to kill it.

  85. latke

    DS: Why on earth would Sacramento give up Dalembert, a rotation player for Curry?

    They want to lose. They are only 4 games out of the worst record. They also don’t want to take on long term salaries. I imagine they’d take the first offer that included expirings and “young player of marginal value.” The sooner they ditch him, the sooner they can start losing. According ESPN:

    The Kings, sources say, are open to moving big man Samuel Dalembert during the next 27 days before the deadline, but they remain unwilling to take back anything other than expiring contracts to preserve maximum flexibility on the other side of a new collective bargaining agreement

    The article also claims they’d give up Udrih for nothing too. It makes sense. Udrih, Dalembert, Garcia and Landry can’t fit into their long term plans — by the time Evans and Cousins are in their primes, those guys will be in decline (and in the mean time, they youth will get fewer minutes to develop, and they’ll get more wins [and worse draft picks]).

  86. massive

    I don’t think there’s any way D’Antoni will play Dalembert. We’d be better off trading for Melo and placing him at the stretch 4 to let him grab 9 rebounds a game.

  87. Z

    @143 Udrih has a player option of almost $8 million for the 2012-13 season. Unless you’re sure that Cassipi is going to become a bona fide star, I think that’s the deal-breaker of your trade.

  88. kburt8

    Update on Azubuike from the NY Post: D’Antoni was nonplussed at Kelenna Azubuike ‘s return to scrimmaging yesterday and Azubuike saying he feels different now because he can push better off his knee. “Good for him,” D’Antoni said. “Watching practice and seeing if he can play, it’s going to be a while. It’s not going to be next week.”

    Good for him…funny stuff from D’antoni.

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