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Saturday, December 20, 2014

124 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Clippers

  1. Robert Silverman

    Why do I have the nagging feeling this is the type of game where someone like Randy Foye has a career night?

  2. Robert Silverman

    When do we have good juju?

    Here’s a poem to stiffen our resolve:

    Oh, fear not in a world like this,
    And thou shalt know erelong,
    Know how sublime a thing it is
    To suffer and be strong.

    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, from the poem, “The Light of Stars in Knickerbocker”

  3. latke

    haha memphis just beat Miami on a last second shot by gay. Heat offense looked terrible. Their only score in the 4:30 I’ve watched came on a lebron drive to the paint in which he got fouled. Zach Randolph has like 4 offensive rebounds in the time I’ve watched and just blocked Lebron. I don’t get it. Wade didn’t play, but the offense still shouldn’t be that bad?

  4. d-mar

    This is a game that can separate the “new” Knicks from the “old” Knicks. The old Knicks would put together a couple of good games in a row, get the fans and the media excited, and then barely show up for the next game, get burned by a Foye or a Gomes and we’re back to the “same old Knicks” again. And then talk radio can go back to talking about Jeter’s contract or who will manage the Mets.

    I really hope they take care of business tonight, but I’ve got these nagging doubts…..

  5. latke

    d-mar: This is a game that can separate the “new” Knicks from the “old” Knicks. The old Knicks would put together a couple of good games in a row, get the fans and the media excited, and then barely show up for the next game, get burned by a Foye or a Gomes and we’re back to the “same old Knicks” again. And then talk radio can go back to talking about Jeter’s contract or who will manage the Mets.
    I really hope they take care of business tonight, but I’ve got these nagging doubts…..  

    I’m not excited yet. The knicks have played better these last 2 1/2 games, but they have yet to put together a complete game. The Warriors and Bulls wins were good. We executed well. That said, we also made some shots we won’t always make, and in the end neither of the games were blowouts.

  6. Nick C.

    Fields and Stat for Knick players of the game. I know not exactly going out on a limb. Rasual Butler with a bunch of 3s for my bizarro Clipper big game or the rookie starter Bledsoe.

  7. Frank O.

    Don’t know if anyone noticed. i posted something to the last string.
    TD has been nursing a bad back for a few weeks now, which explains a lot.

  8. Nick C.

    Mozgov is in, goes high for a board then forces a miss, which unfortunately Griffin puts back, then a missed tip follewed by a block or forced miss. Pretty active for about 6 possessions to end the 1st.

  9. Frank O.

    Mosgov seems a bit lost. TD just had to push him out of the way and then after the play tried to explain to Mosgov what he was doing wrong.

  10. Nick C.

    Has there been more than one pass on a possession lately? Though they are up one until the FT so I shouldnt complain.

  11. Robert Silverman

    Nick C.: Has there been more than one pass on a possession lately? Though they are up one until the FT so I shouldnt complain.  

    If you don’t, I will

  12. Frank O.

    So, basically, we’re talking about the Knicks scoring, like 120 points a night…
    Many this ain’t 1998, is it?

  13. BigBlueAL

    Clippers shot 56% in 1st half from the floor, Knicks 45%. Knicks still up 5 at half, have a chance to maybe blow it open in the 3rd if they come out and play with any sort of intensity.

  14. cwod

    Clippers announcers just said, we’re having a great ball game, as the Clippers call a timeout after the Felton three.

  15. Spree8nyk8

    Do you still call it a dunk when your 3 feet away from the hoop and 3 feet above it and just throw it like a missile through the hoop?

  16. Spree8nyk8

    d-mar: @74 that’s damn funny!  

    Seriously though, can’t really call it a dunk, I honestly don’t know what you call that, never seen that before.

  17. Spree8nyk8

    best excuse i’ve ever heard for a team losing a rebound lol

    “the shot was so bad nobody could rebound it”

    This guy gets paid to say stuff like that lol.

  18. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Why won’t they give us a close-up of Griffin’s calf muscles? When he jumps, the dude almost makes LeBron look average.

  19. Spree8nyk8

    Gallo has really learned how to get to the line this year, I’m not sure how often he went to the line last year but he has to be going way passed that this year.

  20. Spree8nyk8

    If they can win this home and away with Charlotte they’ll be back even! After that horrid slump that would be remarkable.

  21. Spree8nyk8

    cwod: Coming into tonight, Gallinari has been averaging 7.1 FTA/36. Last year, he was at 4.0 FTA/36.  

    So that is a 75% increase and I’ll bet that over the last 8 games it’s been even better than that.

  22. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    This is a serious thought: what if, instead of a dunk contest, the league’s most athletic players were invited to play a game of four-on-four with two short halves and an emphasis on NOT playing defense? I would love to see Griffin and co. play the fast-break game for 20 minutes…

  23. Z-man

    Not to throw cold water on this great road trip, but why does it seem like every game an opposing player has a career game vs. us?

  24. Doug Chu

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: This is a serious thought: what if, instead of a dunk contest, the league’s most athletic players were invited to play a game of four-on-four with two short halves and an emphasis on NOT playing defense? I would love to see Griffin and co. play the fast-break game for 20 minutes…  

    A game played under And1 Mixtape Tour rules?

  25. d-mar

    Just to interrupt the Blake Griffin love fest (and yes he is a damn freak) I just want to send some major props Amare’s way, how nice is it to have a player who just gets his, no matter who guards him, and is a true go to guy? I know we were all having doubts about him for a while there, myself included, but the man is a beast and a star and I’m glad he’s a NY Knick.

  26. Brian Cronin

    I got home just in time for the end of the game. Looked like a fun one!

    Regarding Ama’re, like I said last night, when they don’t run the offense through Amar’e, you get games like tonight – he was mostly getting single coverage (at least from the replays) and Amar’e is too good to be guarded by just one guy. And even better, when they did double him he kicked it out!

    If he and Gallo keep this up – wow, what a duo!!

  27. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Brian,

    You might want to check the highlights. Blake Griffin served up a poster dunk that rivals almost anything I’ve seen outside of the 2000 Olympics.

  28. Brian Cronin

    Brian,

    You might want to check the highlights. Blake Griffin served up a poster dunk that rivals almost anything I’ve seen outside of the 2000 Olympics.

    Yeah, I DVRed the game and I re-wound just for that when I saw the highlights. Amazing.

  29. Ben R

    Griffin actually reminds me a a bit of a young Amare with his athleticism. He is actually more athletic though.

    Players keep getting more athletic, Jordan and Dominique, then Vince and McGrady, LeBron and Howard and now Griffin. There’s got to be a ceiling. I mean whats next, are players going to simply jump from the three point line and fly towards the basket. How athletic can a person get. He was actually looking down at the rim on a number of those dunks.

  30. BigBlueAL

    Ben R: Griffin actually reminds me a a bit of a young Amare with his athleticism. He is actually more athletic though.Players keep getting more athletic, Jordan and Dominique, then Vince and McGrady, LeBron and Howard and now Griffin. There’s got to be a ceiling. I mean whats next, are players going to simply jump from the three point line and fly towards the basket. How athletic can a person get. He was actually looking down at the rim on a number of those dunks.  

    Scary part is Griffin missed all of last season with a knee injury if Im not mistaken.

  31. nicos

    Well Timo’s going to have a nice poster to send back to the folks in Russia. And that spinning dunk on the break was almost as good. About as good a performance by a rookie as I can remember- heck it was best performance I’ve seen by anyone this year. Amar’e took this one off on the defensive end but I guess when you know you can come back down and score at will it doesn’t really matter that much. And Gallo both hitting the three and getting to the line- think Denver’s going to be calling the Knicks soon?

    It’ll be interesting to see how the Knicks adjust to playing Charlotte after three straight games against poor defensive teams.

  32. nicos

    Ben R: Griffin actually reminds me a a bit of a young Amare with his athleticism. He is actually more athletic though.

    And he’s bigger- pretty scary. I don’t think he’s as quick a jumper as Amar’e was pre-knee issues but he gets up higher and is just as strong if not stronger. Amar’e had a couple of big dunks of his own but they were pretty ho-hum compared to Griffin’s.

  33. latke

    nicos:
    And he’s bigger- pretty scary.I don’t think he’s as quick a jumper as Amar’e was pre-knee issues but he gets up higher and is just as strong if not stronger.Amar’e had a couple of big dunks of his own but they were pretty ho-hum compared to Griffin’s.

    His body type is more along the lines of Dwight Howard’s though. Having had him on my fantasy team (and sadly, at least tonight, having traded him), he gets inordinately few blocks (.3/game). Seems that someone with those hops and that size should average more blocks than zach randolph.

    I didn’t get to watch the game, so I’m curious. People say his offense is like a young Amare’s. How was his defense? How did his basketball IQ look? He had those 7 assists tonight, but he’s averaging under two on the season. Was he just in the right place at the right time or what?

  34. nicos

    Latke- Griffin’s Defense- hard to say. He was either playing Timo or Turiaf, neither of whom looked to score or Amar’e who pretty much breezed by him but he breezes by most bigs when not doubled. Wasn’t very active as a helper- in short- looked like a rookie. Most of his assists were on straight forward kick-outs and the Clippers were shooting well so the assists piled up- no passes that made me think he had great court vision but made decent passes out of the double team. He did look like young Amar’e if by young Amar’e you mean the first few games of the season- dribbled crazily into traffic multiple times and Felton stripped him repeatedly- Amar’e’s still dribbling into traffic but at least he’s now making sure he knows where the opposing guards are before he does. Griffin’s jumper is pretty flat so he’ll have to work on that but still it’s pretty clear this kid is going to be a monster- he just relentlessly attacked the basket all night and really overwhelmed the Knicks. It’ll be worth checking youtube for extended highlights of this one- he was really fun watch.

  35. latke

    Thanks for filling me in, Nicos. I’m looking forward to checking out some highlights tomorrow.

    Having read the recap, one thing I think is funny is how seriously Gallinari seems to take D’Antoni’s words. NY press picked up on the him saying that stuff about how he’s not lebron; he’s just a good player for the knicks. To me, it sounded just like what D’Antoni probably kept saying to him early on when he was struggling. Tonight’s recap offers this gem: “I was just trying to help the team at a moment where the team needed me to help them,” Gallinari said. “The fourth quarter is the most important part of the game, especially when you’re playing a tight game. I was trying to read the defense and their defense was giving me that shot, so I was taking it.”

    I can just hear D’Antoni telling Gallo during a timeout — “they’re giving you that shot. You have to read the defense. If they keep giving it to you, keep taking it.”

    It’s not that other players don’t rehash the coach’s bullets, but when they do it it often seems very PR oriented — saying “the right thing.” For some reason, I think because of the level of specificity he offers, Gallo seems so sincere when he says stuff like this.

  36. SeeWhyDee77

    Yea we won..but I can’t say wee looked good-but yet I can’t get 2 down on our performance. I mean WE GAVE UP 115 POINTS ON 54.5% SHOOTING INCLUDING 46.7% FROM DOWNTOWN!! Blake Griffin IS a certified monster, but I don’t expect many more games like this out of the team. As i’ve been sayin for the past 2 weeks or so, I expect more consistent and better overall ball by december as Mike D integrates the new, YOUNG guys into the system. I was hopin that AR would get more PT as we obviously could have used more rebounding and defense last nite. But a win’s a win and if the team is not playin better come next month, then we get worried. For now let’s just love on our 6-8 record (which could/should have easily been 9-5), and love on the fact that we have a true all-star in Stat and a seemingly more assertive & physical Rooster, and PG who is more of a weapon than Duhon will ever be (even though Du ran the P&R better). And not to mention a pleasant surprise in Turiaf’s passing, defense and energy. I love his communication on the floor, everybody else should be talking out there. But I bet it sounds funny with Turi’s accent as well as Mosgov & Rooster lol. No offense to anyone foreign on this board-i’m jus cynical and I try to find humor in everything. Anyways..i’m not panicking, YET. If the team is still playing like this say…Dec 15, then i’m worried. But u know what i’m excited about? The fact that Mike D seems to ream his team out more for defense than offense lately. D’Antoni screamin about defense? Can this be real? Unfortunately his staff is horrible with defensive schemes. I love Herb Williams, but I think it’s either time to drop him or maybe Dan D’An in favor of adding Mike Brown or Sam Mitchell to the staff. Dan is the alleged ‘defensive’ teacher so maybe he should go-brother or not..we need better defensive schemes. Maybe we can keep Herb to work with the bigs. But if we replace one of the two with either Brown or Mitchell-our defense schemes…

  37. SeeWhyDee77

    Oh..BTW..why does everyone keep calling Griffins play on Mosgov a dunk. Yea it looked incredible, but I classify that 1 with Dwight Howard’s Superman “dunk”. They both were amazing..but they just threw the ball in. Amazing lay-ups. To qualify as a dunk, ur hand has to go over and make contact with the rim, rite? Nevertheless, Blake almost turned Mosgov into Shawn Bradley with that one..wow! lol..he looked like a young Stoudemire on springs!!!

  38. Ted Nelson

    SeeWhyDee77: And not to mention a pleasant surprise in Turiaf’s passing, defense and energy.

    Why is that a surprise?

    nicos: no passes that made me think he had great court vision but made decent passes out of the double team.

    He made one nice pass from the free throw line to Gordon under the basket for a lay-up.

    latke: His body type is more along the lines of Dwight Howard’s though.

    Blake’s Amare’s height (6’8.5″) but with shorter arms and more bulk. Dwight Howard has freakishly long arms. At both of their pre-draft combines he had 5.25 inches in wingspan over Griffin. And I’ve read Howard’s grown a couple inches since entering the league out of high school.

  39. SeeWhyDee77

    Ted Nelson:
    Why is that a surprise?
      

    I’ve always known he had those abilities in spurts..but to see him do it every minute he’s on the court is suprising. Actually, he’s a better defender than I thought he was. Maybe I just hadn’t seen him enough until now.

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