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Tuesday, October 21, 2014

2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bulls

It’s been 5 days since the Knicks have played, and I don’t know about you but I’m itching for some action. New York heads into Chicago to face the Bulls, a team that seems to have improved from a year ago. The 2010 Bulls were 27th on offense, and this year currently rank 15th. I know it’s only 3 games, but Derrick Rose’s scoring is up 8 points (28.2 pts/36) from last year’s average, although his turnovers have skyrocketed as well (5.1 to/36). It’ll be interested to see how those progress as the season wears on. Joakim Noah is still dominating on the boards (5.1 oreb/36, 13.8 reb/36), and the Knicks will have to keep him and teammates Taj Gibons and Omer Asik from giving the Bulls second chances. For those that are unfamiliar with Asik, he’s Chicago’s version of Mozgov, but just replace fouls with injuries.

The Knicks will have Anthony Randolph, who is back from his ankle injury. D’Antoni has reportedly said that the youngster wouldn’t see a lot of minutes early, but wasn’t against expanding his role based on production. Other things to observe is Stoudemire’s high turnover rate (much like Rose), Gallinari’s slump (another 11 minute game and you have to figure he’s injured), Landry Fields textbook play (a joy to watch), Wilson Chandler’s TS% (especially in the fourth quarter), and Roger Mason’s minutes (will he get any with Randolph back). Should be good stuff.

354 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bulls

  1. dmull

    Randolph, if healthy might get more minutes than expected if he proves capable of slowing down Deng?

    Bulls are overrated at this point…until they get Boozer back I think the Knicks are the better team and if we’re nearing turning the corner I think the Knicks should be able to hang tougher than Vegas (+7) seems to think….honestly, I expect the Knicks to go on the road and get it done here. Noah will get his…but Felt and Tony should slow Rose and while Deng will probably get his, if slowed and the offense finally clicks a bit I think we do it here.

  2. Frank O.

    But wait, let me just imagine having Amare, Melo and CP3 on the Knicks next year…..
    …..
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    okay, I’m good.:)

  3. Nick C.

    Even funnier despite leading the NBA in TSP he is still a net negative for value added and estimated wins added.

    And I too am looking forward to finally watching them in action again…hoping they worked on a few new sets

  4. Ted Nelson

    DS: Landry, the #5 rook, according to David Thorpe.

    Don’t forget about Rautins, at #41 ahead of Greg Monroe… haha

    (Very forward looking statement, but Joe D is historically quick to dump rookies who struggle: see Rodney White and Mateen Cleaves. Perhaps the Knicks can get a look at Monroe–good passer, rebounder, and mobile 5 if nothing else–for next to nothing at some point…)

  5. ess-dog

    I’m also itchin’ for some basketball.
    I think the keys to tonight’s game will be 1) defending Rose getting to the hoop. I think we should do a pretty good job since we have 2 good defensive pg’s and good shot-blocking. 2) at least break even with CHI on free throws attempts and make said free throws. 3) we need to shoot better from the floor! Because it will be hard to get to the rim with Noah, Asik and Gibson there.
    I predict we see some smaller lineups and D’Antoni tries to outrun them. Something like Ray, TD, Fields, Chandler and Amare.

  6. david

    Ess — I would love to see that lineup, particularly because it might bait the Bulls into trying to dump the ball to Noah. If I have a choice between a slashing Rose or Deng, or Noah/ with his back to the basket (even against a smaller guy), I’ll take Noah’s non-post moves every day of the week.

  7. BigBlueAL

    Lets just hope the Knicks dont stink it up tonight on TNT, cant stand having to listen to the Inside the NBA crew talk their usual crap about the Knicks. A win sure would be great though….

  8. Ted Nelson

    ess-dog: I predict we see some smaller lineups and D’Antoni tries to outrun them. Something like Ray, TD, Fields, Chandler and Amare.  

    Also possibly the Knicks best 5 right now…

    And as much as Noah is a good C, he’s not that big so you’d hope Amare wouldn’t whine about having to guard him… (that 2nd part was supposed to come across as snide, btw…)

  9. taggart4800

    Ted I am very much aware that it is a little intense to start bringing up comments from previous threads! However… My point is that running an effective pick and roll, or any offensive sets for that matter, takes a good deal of coaching. It took an awful lot of effort from both the players and the coaching staff to make this team as competitive as they are, conversely it requires very little coaching to run iso’s through Amare. For the iso’s to work effectively it does require other players to be aggressive and to play with confidence something i think they are lacking (looking at you Gallo).

  10. Kevin McElroy

    Hey all,

    I’m posting this from the press box at the United Center where i was able to get a credential to cover tonight’s game in person for the Daily Dime Live. Just asked D’Antoni whether he planned to try Randolph or some other wing on Rose (in the absence of Jeffries, who guarded him last year) and was told that he would start off traditionally, with Felton on him, and stick with that as long as it worked. Also talked to Ronny Turiaf who said that one of his top priorities was to improve his passing
    to take advantage of some of the shooters he had around him. Hope to talk to a few more of the players after the game and post something more substantial tomorrow.

    Feel free to follow tonight on the DDL at espn.com. Go Knicks!

  11. KnickFanInCelticLand

    I have lurked here for a couple months but have now decided to register. I just wanted thank ALL the contibutors I have read here for their intelligent input. Most especially, I would like to thank the super efforts of Mike Kurylo. You really rock, Mike. Now, I’ll “climb back under my rock” until I feel I could add something of substance to a thread.

  12. Frank O.

    Awesome, Kevin!
    Our man on the inside!
    Wish I was there.:)
    I’m guess the Knicks get 10 blocks again tonight.

  13. BigBlueAL

    I have a good feeling about tonight’s game. Im seeing a 4-2 record for the Knicks come Sunday afternoon.

    Let me re-phrase that, maybe not seeing but hoping for a 4-2 record come Sunday afternoon, I will gladly take a 3-3 record by that time. lol

  14. Mike Kurylo Post author

    KnickFanInCelticLand:
    …and you are a beer connoisseur as well.My choice would be the Founders Stout.Wheat beers are better in the hot weather.Belgian ales fall into the love ‘em or hate em category.Go Knicks!  

    Hmmm, I had the Founders yesterday. It’s about 1000 degrees in my abode so perhaps the wheat. Or actually considering mixing up a Margarita.

  15. Doug Chu

    Mike Kurylo:
    Hmmm, I had the Founders yesterday. It’s about 1000 degrees in my abode so perhaps the wheat. Or actually considering mixing up a Margarita.  

    I go to school in Grand Rapids, so I try to make it to Founders as much as possible. On Monday, they have $2 pint night. They love to make everything incredibly hoppy, to the point where I can barely finish a pint of their IPA. I usually go with the pale ale.

  16. Mike Kurylo Post author

    Doug Chu:
    I go to school in Grand Rapids, so I try to make it to Founders as much as possible. On Monday, they have $2 pint night. They love to make everything incredibly hoppy, to the point where I can barely finish a pint of their IPA. I usually go with the pale ale.  

    I had a pair of Founder Nemesis Growlerer a little while ago. Good stuff.

  17. Frank O.

    Looks like Noah is trying to go at Mosgov and he’s avoiding giving up stupid fouls. I’ll take Noah drives all day.

  18. Spree8nyk8

    Amazing how much better the offense looks now, much better movement etc.

    Although the defense……Ewwww

  19. Robert Silverman

    Dear Gallo,

    I’m sorry about ever doubting you. Please take me back. We can make it work, baby!

    Love,

    Robert

  20. crazchino

    btw. . . did they say the knicks are currently no.1 in the league in shot blocking? good to see the turnovers that fear causes.

  21. Ted Nelson

    Pretty solid overall, better I’d definitely say. Still… a lot of ball handling by Amare and WC.

  22. Spree8nyk8

    Ted Nelson: Pretty solid overall, better I’d definitely say. Still… a lot of ball handling by Amare and WC.  

    Least there is a LOT more movement now.

  23. rama

    #59 – Robert, Felton was shooting quickly so the Knicks could go 2 for 1. And they did, with Chandler making the 3, so it worked out!

  24. Frank O.

    Not making a case for WC shooting 3s. But if you remove his 1-7 shooting night from three against Boston, he’s 5-13 from 3, including tonight, which is 38 percent.
    just saying…devil’s advocate.
    No need to go off, guys.
    *flinch*
    :)

  25. Ted Nelson

    James Johnson might actually get in the rotation this season, but that’s definitely offset by his hairstyle…

    Is Steve Kerr serious about appealing the record?????????????? If so, what a tool.

  26. Doug Chu

    Ted Nelson: James Johnson might actually get in the rotation this season, but that’s definitely offset by his hairstyle…Is Steve Kerr serious about appealing the record?????????????? If so, what a tool.  

    lol no Ted

    I think he wasn’t very good at sounding sarcastic

  27. crazchino

    lol.. anyone else just feel like they were watchin a soccer game?

    “gallinari itching to shoot, gallinari takes it in, gallinari passes it to turiaf. goes up to shoot misses gallinari GOL!!!”

  28. Frank O.

    Wait did Gallo just take a shot near the three line where he didn’t look down at the line awkwardly shift and then shoot?
    It appears he just caught and shot!
    The slump is Ovah!

  29. Spree8nyk8

    if the knicks don’t end up trading for Melo but sign him as a free agent, do you think they would be one of the deepest teams in the nba?

  30. Frank O.

    @93
    Stop it. That’s the second Charles Smith reference tonight. They ran a clip of it.
    I’m not listening. LALALALALALALALALA

  31. rama

    Even when they had a big lead v. Portland, their offense didn’t look anything like this. Combine our D from that game and our O here, and we’d have an amazing team….

  32. rama

    Especially enjoying this after spending a little time on a Bulls blog today where the posters were saying the Bulls would win going away.

  33. marxster

    @111

    We’ll get Melo after the season without giving up anything. I’ve had my grandma pray for it.

  34. Spree8nyk8

    marxster: @111We’ll get Melo after the season without giving up anything. I’ve had my grandma pray for it.  

    And as I said earlier, if that happens are the Knicks the deepest team in the NBA?

  35. Nick C.

    What a half!!! Gallo’s back. Was it really that simple? Oh and he just told that doofus Craig Sager his wrist was, in fact, hurting.

  36. Doug Chu

    massive: Games like this remind you why you love the Knicks, huh?  

    Nix play so fast and with so many possessions it’s like more basketball for free.

  37. Mike Kurylo Post author

    My goodness – the Knicks are on national television and not embarrassing themselves. 70 points by the half! Up by 28!

    A blowout and I’m loving every minute of it.

  38. rama

    In other news, Ted, are you still as down on Felton now? He looks pretty good to me, no Chris Paul or even Rondo, but certainly leagues better than Duhon and not the #24 ranked PG you thought he was….

  39. Spree8nyk8

    Robert Silverman: sweet. thanks Spree – but I’m a mac guy, doesn’t always work  

    All you need is to download utorrent (it’s free), and then click on the link of the game you want and the download will start automatically. You won’t have any problems playing the video file.

  40. Ted Nelson

    It’s amazing to me that Steve Kerr, Marv Albert, and Craig Sager all have jobs doing what they do… I’m seriously considering the mute button…

    Oh, and!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is pretty awesome. There have been some issues, but I’ll take it. I’ll give the people who said Gallo is the key to opening things up credit, whether that’s it or not. (Amare is still dissapointing to me… and WC seems to be having a bit of an off-night, but I guess he was due… couple fouls that just seemed lazy… Fields looking a lot more like a rookie tonight… AR a little good a good amount of nothing…)

  41. d-mar

    The announcers are overlooking it, but I’m equally as impressed with the Knicks D as their offense. Besides that ferocious jam by Rose, they’re playing great team D on his dribble drives and making the rest of the Bulls look really ordinary (esp. their awful bench, even with Boozer, this is an Eastern conference powerhouse?)

  42. Spree8nyk8

    lol @ charles barkley when the referenced the last time the knicks played on TNT they scored 59 points, Charles says “did you see the team they had back then? They played their asses off that night”

  43. Ted Nelson

    rama: In other news, Ted, are you still as down on Felton now?He looks pretty good to me, no Chris Paul or even Rondo, but certainly leagues better than Duhon and not the #24 ranked PG you thought he was….  

    He’s good at hitting pull ups and pushes the tempo 10000000000000000000000x better than Duhon. Good defender. I always thought he was better than Duhon and have good games, I just doubt he can be consistently good.

  44. d-mar

    Charles Barkley really needs to shut up, at halftime he said – “you just can’t lose to a bad team at home” FU Chuck.

  45. Brian Cronin

    Amar’e just looks like a complete fool out there. Taking the most shots while not even making half of them plus five turnovers.

    It is ridiculous how little he is getting his teammates involved

  46. rama

    d-mar – the Bulls do have a good team, and expect them to make adjustments. But to be in the top half of the Eastern COnference, they need Boozer.

    Of course, as Ted points out, this isn’t an amazing game for the Knicks. Fields was getting schooled early on, Amare still doesn’t quite seem to know how aggressive to be and where he should start his moves, and Mozgov didn’t give us much. Really, Gallo is the only one playing great, though Felton has been solid and TD seems to be doing what TD does best. Turiaf is what you’d hope for as a reserve center, and how can you not love the hard fouls?? Not the same easy path to the hoop as in previous years. So we’re up by a lot, but if Amare can get it together, WC is stronger in the second half, and we make adjustments for Gibson, we should continue to dominate.

  47. Frank O.

    Knicks need to withstand the Bulls surge to start the second half.
    Charles just said the Knicks are a bad team. I think that unfair.

  48. Ted Nelson

    Even though he’s ridiculous and not particularly rational I still kind of love Chuck for his comedy… Still, offended by the assumption he makes in saying the Bulls are losing to a bad team at home. This is a new Knicks team. How does he know it’s bad? Brian Scalabrine is a rotation player for the Bulls for goodness sake… (and making the Knicks look stupid for not being able to guard Brian Scalabrine…)

  49. rama

    #140 – Agree, Brian. Amare had the ball late in the half, Gallo made a great cut to the hoop and was all alone, and Amare put his head down and drove the lane and missed a shot. We were all talking about Fields after Mike’s great analysis, but Fields doesn’t get those passes (from Gallo, by the way) and there’s nothing to talk about. Amare needs to get it together and stop forcing the issue.

  50. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, I get that Charles is mostly here for comedic purposes, but damn, he is way offbase about the Knicks.

  51. Ted Nelson

    Brian Cronin: It is ridiculous how little he is getting his teammates involved  

    Right when I was getting ready to type that he hit TD for a 3, so I didn’t… Still, unimpressed.

  52. Brian Cronin

    Remember when people (myself included) were saying that Amar’e was forcing the issue because he didn’t have Gallo so he had to take over the load too much?

    I guess I was wrong, as Amar’e is acting the same way he has all the other games of the season. He thinks he needs to constantly force the issue no matter how foolish the strategy is.

    He is really irritating tonight.

  53. Brian Cronin

    At the end of the half, the Knicks could have put the game practically completely out of reach, but instead of moving the ball, Amar’e took a bunch of absurd isos that resulted in no points on, like, four possessions.

  54. Thomas B.

    Brian Cronin: Remember when people (myself included) were saying that Amar’e was forcing the issue because he didn’t have Gallo so he had to take over the load too much?I guess I was wrong, as Amar’e is acting the same way he has all the other games of the season. He thinks he needs to constantly force the issue no matter how foolish the strategy is.He is really irritating tonight.  

    Agreed.

    I have to say I still don’t feel like we are up 18. I worry that we are a few bad sets away from this being a nine point game again. I guess I’m just not ready for this type of strong play. It’s been too long. I don’t know if I am ready to trust again.

  55. Brian Cronin

    Silly shot by Gallo to start the second half. I suppose that was a “hot test” (if he makes it, he knows he’s still hot).

  56. Mike Kurylo Post author

    Although I wish the Knicks were better at that thing on defense where the other team takes a shot and it rebounds off the basket and the Knicks grab it.

  57. Brian Cronin

    Terrible play by Mozgov there, but holy shit, Felton’s first two turnovers were insanely bad. Amar’e’s wasn’t as bad.

  58. Brian Cronin

    Felton’s problem was that he didn’t know you’re not allowed to pass the ball to yourself (he thought he discovered the perfect kind of assist).

  59. Ted Nelson

    To switch over to playing the optimist… in past years Rose would have 30 points already… So, that’s pretty encouraging.

  60. nicos

    Mozgov pretty ugly on the last few offensive sets- Tentative setting screens allowing easy double team situations for the Bulls plus one bad pass.

  61. Frank O.

    Not a good sequence for Gallo. He literally stands and watch Noah dribble at the hoop, does nothing to contest the shot…actually looks to avoid contact.
    Then Deng steal the ball and instead of chasing the play hard, Gallo is looking for a ref.
    he’s got to play smarter than that.
    And STAT with the horrible turnover. He has no rhythm right now… Looking terrible
    He’s got three fouls. Maybe he’ll foul out.

    And what is with dumping ball to Mosgov at top of the key and letting him hold the ball doing nothing.

  62. Ted Nelson

    Maybe this happens to every team, but doesn’t it seem like a Taj Gibson type ALWAYS has a career night against us?

    Amare… got to say I’m souring…

  63. Thomas B.

    Thank God for Bull turnovers. I hope the Knicks are taking note because John Wall is just as fast as Rose but just as turnover prone as well. The problem with the Bulls is that they need a good second and third scoring option. They really dont have that. Boozer should become that, but you can see how much they miss the scoring of a Salmons or Ben Gordon.

  64. Doug Chu

    Ted Nelson: Maybe this happens to every team, but doesn’t it seem like a Taj Gibson type ALWAYS has a career night against us?Amare… got to say I’m souring…  

    SSS, Ted. SSS.

  65. Frank O.

    This is the kind of pace that benefits the Knicks.
    91 points with more than 2 minutes left in the third.

  66. Brian Cronin

    Seriously, are Amar’e and Chandler really that dense? They see how the Knicks are scoring and then they decide to do ridiculous isos against good defenders. Shockingly, they don’t work.

  67. Ted Nelson

    So……… now that the Knicks shooters are killing and Amare and WC are still doing everything they can to lose the game are people coming around… (sort of kidding, sort of not…)

  68. Spree8nyk8

    rama: Hooray!4 fouls on Amare!Bring in Turiaf…and team ball…  

    Meh, he’s not playing well, but i wouldn’t be happy about this. We are going to need STAT. Just like Gallo is starting to find his stroke, Amare is going to figure it out on his end too.

  69. ess-dog

    If we lose this game, I swear, on Michael Sweetney’s grave, that I will not watch the Wizards game.

  70. Frank O.

    @198
    Amare is continuing with poor decision making.
    He’s a great finisher. He needs to get the ball where he can finish.
    He’s not a creator.

  71. latke

    it’s funny – you have all the signs of a bulls run. Strong defense, making crazy shots and getting good shots, and yet the knicks just keep hitting threes, and it’s kind of giving the announcers a mindfuck. They keep trying to call it a bulls run, and then looking at the score and backtracking.

  72. rama

    #202 – agreed. I keep thinking our lead is evaporating…and then it’s not. Still 14.

    Spree – I know we’ll need him, but he needs to figure out how to play with his teammates, which he just isn’t doing now.

  73. Frank O.

    Rose has taken that same drive 6 times tonight. You’d think the knicks would do something about it.

  74. rama

    The only plus I can take from this quarter is that the Bulls kept their starters in the whole quarter, running as hard as they could, and it’s still 10 points. They don’t have the depth to do that for a whole other quarter, so they may cut it close, but probably won’t have the juice to finish…unless we…oh, forget that thought. This is a new season, keep it positive….

  75. Ted Nelson

    Frank O.: Rose has taken that same drive 6 times tonight. You’d think the knicks would do something about it.  

    Honestly, I don’t think anyone can do anything about that… He’s going to get his. I’ve been pretty happy with the Knicks’ D on him. A few misses, but generally ok on a great driver.

  76. Thomas B.

    Remember back in the 80s when Patino coached this team and everyone was allowed to take as many 3s as the liked?

  77. Garson

    And we thought our problems where 3 point shooting and rebounding! guess our biggest problem is amare at this point.

  78. rama

    Walker playing his high TS game…sweet. Now Fields! It’s not New York’s night, Steve Kerr, it’s a return to the mean, as predicted and demanded by Ted Nelson. Vindication for the Ted Nelson game analysis!

  79. latke

    Brian Cronin: Is Rose really just THAT fast?I mean, if so, then fair enough, good for him.  

    He’s not just fast from point a to point b. He’s fast from point a to point d… the speed at which he changes directions is insane, and he seems to be able to finish around the rim from any angle. Good thing now is he seems to have tired. Back to back and all.

  80. nicos

    I’m with Brian- Knicks playing like this one’s already over. TD looks a little tired- do you go back to Felton?

  81. ess-dog

    Frank O.:
    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  

    Well I do. He’s got that ‘Children of the Corn’ look. One-dimensional bastard…

    Anyway, it looks as if we’ve stopped rebounding on offense. I do think AR could maybe help a bit there…

    And could these announcers stop gargling Derek Rose’s balls?

  82. Brian Cronin

    This just isn’t Amar’e’s game – get him out of there (or tell him absolutely zero isos).

  83. ess-dog

    What the hell is Amar’e doing??? To be a little fair, he’s just not getting the touch calls that he’s used to getting…
    But he also looks tired or something.

  84. Spree8nyk8

    We are fine Frank relax. When your winning by 17 the other team is going to make some sort of run, it’s the NBA

  85. irvin00

    Knicks handicapped by amare – Chandler nowhere to be found, but miraculous 3-point shooting keeping them on top. Gallo ha pulled a David lee and disappeared in the 4th

  86. Frank O.

    Spree8nyk8: We are fine Frank relax.When your winning by 17 the other team is going to make some sort of run, it’s the NBA  

    From your computer to god’s ears…

  87. rama

    How can they call that a foul on Gallo and not a travel? Refs are definitely helping the Bulls this game…

  88. Thomas B.

    Seriously, we cant run a bit of clock down. I guess a quick shot is one way–perhaps the only way–to stop Amare from turning the ball over.

  89. Brian Cronin

    Had the Bulls put in Rose a few minutes ago, this could be a completely different ball game. Is Tom T. trying to teach Rose a lesson or something?

  90. Frank O.

    It is weird that Rose has been down this long.
    Are they planning on releasing him on the Knicks for the final minute

  91. ess-dog

    Brian Cronin: Had the Bulls put in Rose a few minutes ago, this could be a completely different ball game. Is Tom T. trying to teach Rose a lesson or something?  

    Tom T. is a rookie head coach. Welcome to the hot seat, jack-ass!

  92. rama

    Thibodeau needed to understand that his bench could help get the team back in the game, but the idea was to bring in the starters once they were rested to take the team all the way back.

    Glad he didn’t, though.

  93. Frank O.

    Kerr noted that Bulls made a good run with the suybs and said it was like rewarding them. He says it’s a long season and you want to build up your bench…

    I was wondering if that was what D’antoni was doing these last couple games.

  94. Spree8nyk8

    Well, all I’m gonna say about this game is this. When I was in the army my unit slogan was “accentuate the positive” and I think that is a good slogan for this game. There are plenty of negatives to take away from this game, STAT and WC had their worst games of the season easily. But it’s still a QUALITY road win, gallo is out of his slump, Douglas is playing out of his mind, and the offense just really looks like they have something great to build on. This team has been together for 4 games. Imagine what’s possible 30 games down the road. Take the positives from this game and try not to worry too much about the negatives. Bc just like some of the issues that got worked out to this point, those other issues will resolve too.

    Really pumped about this team now.

  95. Brian Cronin

    Thibodeau needed to understand that his bench could help get the team back in the game, but the idea was to bring in the starters once they were rested to take the team all the way back.

    Exactly – it’s not an insult to your subs to say “you got us back in it but now we want a fresh Rose to bring it home.”

    Can you imagine how easily Rose would get to the basket against the tired Knicks?

  96. massive

    So D’Antoni was able to fix the offense, and the defense still looked pretty good. Any chance he fixes Stoudemire’s turnover problem?

  97. jaylamerique

    Brian Cronin: Exactly – it’s not an insult to your subs to say “you got us back in it but now we want a fresh Rose to bring it home.”Can you imagine how easily Rose would get to the basket against the tired Knicks?  

    they have back to back games and are playing the celtics tomorrow night. i think tom T. waved the white flag and figured why waste energy on a game thats going to be a loss anyway

  98. ess-dog

    That was a great win. Sure no Boozer, but this was basically the same team that took the Celts to 7 games last year. This is a tough team to beat on the road.

    The good news: Gallo is Gallo again. The bad news: We’re not going to shoot 70% from three every game.

  99. irvin00

    Very good effort and good to know the team can play solid when amare is off. Good to be a knicks fan tonight!!!!

  100. d-mar

    @305 Agree, the biggest positive of this game was getting Gallo’s confidence back, far outweighs the nightmare game for STAT.

  101. marxster

    Spree, I agree that we need to look at the positives.

    I have to say, however, that I’m never happy when we win with threes, because we know what’s going to happen…threes stop falling, and when they do, we’re in deep shit.

    Maybe I’m just not a fan of D’Antoni ball…

    I still think having Melo would give us a bit more of an insurance in case threes aren’t falling.

  102. rama

    Some numbers for Ted:

    Gallo: 24 points on 11 shots
    TDDWTDD: 30 points on 14 shots
    Felton: 20 points on 11 shots

    Amare: 14 points on 21 shots (!!!)
    Chandler: 10 points on 11 shots

    Ouch. Adjustments must be made. Gallo and TD won’t shoot quite that well every game – we really do need Amare to get it together and Ill Wil to remember the best parts of his game.

  103. Frank O.

    Felton 20 points, 10 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 3 TOs.
    nice night.

    But the second team totally out played the 1st team
    Turiaf +15
    Douglas +15
    Chandler +10
    Walker +20

    Gallo, huge first half, but -7 on the night.

    Weird night indeed.

  104. Ted Nelson

    ess-dog: The bad news: We’re not going to shoot 70% from three every game.  

    The worst news: Amare is due 80 mill after this season… Kidding, I think (HOPE) he will come around.

  105. jaylamerique

    after this game, i really dont see how AR fits on this team. theres no one that played tonight that i can justify taking minutes from and given them to AR.

  106. Ted Nelson

    marxster: I still think having Melo would give us a bit more of an insurance in case threes aren’t falling.

    And another ball-hog to make sure no one else can take 3s…

  107. nicos

    Well we got a win and Amare hopefully can’t play any worse though oddly at +1 he led the Knick started in +/- As awful as he’s been on offense, I do think he’s been better than I expected on defense- his rotations have been solid he’s really challenging everything at the rim.

  108. Ted Nelson

    jaylamerique: after this game, i really dont see how AR fits on this team. theres no one that played tonight that i can justify taking minutes from and given them to AR.  

    He’s going to have to earn them, but he can if he plays well. It’s not a very sum game, and if he can make more good plays and less non-existent/bad plays he’ll get out there.

  109. taggart4800

    i predict that tomorrow amare goes for 30 as the wizards respect the shooters and cant collapse. PnR will be run from the right with gallo in his spot and all will be good. Amare has been struggling simply because of the lack of respect for the bench and other players. I like our chances tomorrow night. Wizards are not anywhere near as good as the Bulls.

  110. Frank O.

    You have to believe that Amare gets his game right.
    If he gets right and the knicks should good, not great, from outside…with their D they could be a nice playoff team.

  111. Frank O.

    Frank O.: You have to believe that Amare gets his game right.
    If he gets right and the knicks should good, not great, from outside…with their D they could be a nice playoff team.  

    Game 4…never mind. Reaching….

  112. Ted Nelson

    taggart4800: Amare has been struggling simply because of the lack of respect for the bench and other players.

    Really? Really? Really? Tonight when Gallo had 21 points in the 1st half, why did Amare SUCK in the 2nd half???????

    I feel bad bashing the guy because I think he wants it, but he has to stop being an IDIOT.

  113. marxster

    Let’s give credit where credit is due…Donnie Walsh did a great job getting us a team that has potential. If he can add a piece or two, we should have a nice team going forward.

  114. jaylamerique

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    Ted Nelson:
    Really? Really? Really? Tonight when Gallo had 21 points in the 1st half, why did Amare SUCK in the 2nd half???????I feel bad bashing the guy because I think he wants it, but he has to stop being an IDIOT.  

    the man problem is the p-n-r. it is not very effective right now.

  115. taggart4800

    yeah really really really. He did some dumb things tonight,i’m right there with you. There was one play though midway through the fourth where Felton and Amare ran the PnR and Felton found Gallo for the 3. It was a good play and a play they will/should run in the future. The reason the bench scored soo well tonight was because they finally found their hot whilst the bulls crowded amare. Now they are scoring D’Antoni can get Felton and Amare on the same page.

  116. Spree8nyk8

    I mean it’s going to be checks and balances, teams are going to be able to stop Amare or stop the perimeter, but not both (at least that is the hope). Amare finishes at +2 despite a nightmare game because of the respect he gets inside, gives everyone else good looks. I’m not saying he did anything to earn that tonite, he didn’t. But just think, someday Amare, WC, and Gallo may all play well on the same night! The Knicks bench has been superb and I really think that they look a little bit better everytime, which is what a team that was just put together should be aiming for. When you find ten issues to address on day 1, you don’t fix them all at once. You fix them 1 or 2 at a time. Gallo getting back in stride was one and the movement on the offense was two. Now they just try to keep those things going right and they can focus on getting Amare right and getting WC more efficient.

  117. Ted Nelson

    jaylamerique: the man problem is the p-n-r. it is not very effective right now.

    The main problem to me is that they’re not pnring enough… The main problem is that Amare is dribbling WAY too much and forcing WAY too many shots… He has to see that there are 3 or 4 guys around him… Why not pass the ball in that situation? I will say that he did a better job–though still a terrible job–tonight. He occasionally passed the ball. He took zero 3s. But… it was awful to watch him play. Like watching Jonathan Bender offensively. Someone has to tell him what he’s good at.

  118. Ted Nelson

    taggart4800: There was one play though midway through the fourth where Felton and Amare ran the PnR and Felton found Gallo for the 3.

    And there were 6 plays where Amare turned the ball over… Countless plays where he took terrible shots. I agree that Amare should (had better) improve… not if he keeps trying to dribble around like a PG and do everything by himself, though. It’s like he had amnesia and thinks he is LeBron and not Amare.

    taggart4800: The reason the bench scored soo well tonight was because they finally found their hot whilst the bulls crowded amare.

    This is illogical. The “reason” you and others said the Knicks struggled so much against the Blazers is because the defense crowded Amare. You can’t have it both ways. I really don’t feel like arguing this one, since everyone else watching the game say that Amare was TERRIBLE.

  119. Spree8nyk8

    He’s not right now, but he’s going to be at some point. But rather than worry about whose the man I’d rather see them become the team…

    Like I said a few times, they had a bunch of issues and they have obviously improved a couple of them, but some still remain so now maybe they can build on this and address some of the other issues.

  120. Z-man

    Amar’e had a very terrible game offensively, but I liked that block at the end, and the way he and the other Knicks defended the rim in general. I thought Chandler played well, the 4-11 was deceptive because of a sequence where he took 3 shots. He had a couple of momentum-breaking baskets as well, and his all-around game was solid. He ony took 11 shots and had 3 assists, hard to complain about that.

    More important to me than anything else tonight was the emergence of Gallo from his coma. We are a completely different team when he is draining 3’s. The extra rest and the skipped Orlando game was just what the doctor ordered.

    That said, that was what we expected from Gallo, more or less. The guys that exceeded expectations tonight were Felton and TD, and to some degree, Turiaf.

    We went 16-24 from 3, and Rose and Noah were mysteriously benched for all of crunch time, and it was still a losable game until there was less than 2 minutes left. As such, I’m not going to get too high off of this one, but a road win vs. a playoff team is always nice. Hopefully Amar’e figures it out in the next stretch of games, and starts to trust his teammates more.

  121. Ted Nelson

    Spree8nyk8: He’s not right now, but he’s going to be at some point.

    He’ll be right when he stops dribbling too much and taking dozens of bad shots… I don’t understand why you disagree with this, or keep hounding me about it… Why focus on the positive to the point where you blind yourself from the negative? With all due respect, they intentionally teach soldiers to follow orders and not think too much outside the box… The Knicks are not the army. I’m just pointing out what they need to do better to improve as a team, instead of just saying “someone else will figure that out.”

  122. Z-man

    BTW, while Amar’e was definitely terrible on O, he did at least start his moves somewhat closer to the basket than last game. Seems like teams are forcing him left and he has not adjusted to the help defense coming at him. I’m sure he wants to put this one behind him and is glad he gets to play again tomorrow.

    Nice to see that Randolph seems to be completely healed. He should help if players are gassed tomorrow night on the tail end of an away-home back-to-back.

  123. Ted Nelson

    Z-man: I thought Chandler played well, the 4-11 was deceptive because of a sequence where he took 3 shots. He had a couple of momentum-breaking baskets as well, and his all-around game was solid. He ony took 11 shots and had 3 assists, hard to complain about that.

    While I was very impressed by his defense and all around game (besides scoring in the 4th) throughout the first 3 games, I thought he looked bad defensively tonight. Got beat and had some lazy fouls. I agree, though, that he tried to stay more “within himself” for the most part. Still, he and Amare really stand out to me as not playing within the offense. Maybe I am biased, but 3/4 of the times they touch the ball I feel like the offensive flow is interrupted. They stop, hold the ball, maybe dribble around a bit… At least Chandler doesn’t turn it over or shoot 95% of the time he touches the ball, and at least D’Antoni has him on a shorter leash. I thought they were easily the 2 worst Knicks tonight, in my most objective analysis possible.

  124. Ted Nelson

    Z-man: Seems like teams are forcing him left and he has not adjusted to the help defense coming at him.

    When you force him left you don’t really need help defense, because he helps you himself… I really do hate being so harsh, but he’s just playing horrible basketball on offense.

  125. Spree8nyk8

    Ted Nelson:
    He’ll be right when he stops dribbling too much and taking dozens of bad shots… I don’t understand why you disagree with this, or keep hounding me about it… Why focus on the positive to the point where you blind yourself from the negative? With all due respect, they intentionally teach soldiers to follow orders and not think too much outside the box… The Knicks are not the army. I’m just pointing out what they need to do better to improve as a team, instead of just saying “someone else will figure that out.”  

    First off, I don’t disagree with you, I think it was pretty obvious that I agreed with you. I didn’t say he played well, I said he played poorly. Honestly I’m not sure what you could have possibly read in my reply that insinuated that I disagreed. As far as your comments about the Army, if you haven’t served please shut the fuck up. This has nothing to do with basketball, but your “dumb down” comment is very offensive to men and women who you owe your thanks and respect to. You can make your point another way.

    But like I said, I don’t disagree with you about Amare to begin with so idk what the problem is. All I said was that it’s a work in progress and they have made strides forward and I am sure they will continue to do so.

  126. nicos

    Ted Nelson:
    I thought they were easily the 2 worst Knicks tonight, in my most objective analysis possible.  

    I don’t know- Mozgov was pretty awful in that very short sequence opening the 2nd half which led to his early benching. I didn’t think Chandler was that bad- moved the ball better and I thought while 2-3 of his shots were really “flow killers”, you could probably say about anyone outside of Fields or Walker. Did have a couple of lazy fouls (one on Noah that was particularly head scratching) but thought his overall defense was okay.

  127. taggart4800

    Never said he was the man Ted 5-21 ain’t the man. Never said he was the man against the blazers either. I did however reason that there is a reason he has shot so badly. The guy is being crowded by opposition defenses and he can’t play his game. The more the team plays well the more he will get his looks is all. I just think that if we are 2-2 and the team benefited from the attention he got then its not all bad unless D’Antoni suddenly loses the ability to coach the PnR or any offense for that matter. Just less negativity would be nice.

  128. Ted Nelson

    taggart4800: I did however reason that there is a reason he has shot so badly.

    I agree. He’s an amazing scorer, he just has to stop thinking his handle is better than it is and that he can score at will off the dribble.

    taggart4800: The guy is being crowded by opposition defenses and he can’t play his game.

    When that happens, is the correct response to a. dribble way too much, stop the flow of the offense, and use something like 31 possessions to score 12 points or b. to defer even more so to your red hot teammates, use yourself as a decoy, and try to find seems in the defense to get easy baskets? I think he did some of b. in this game, probably more than the last 3, but he was still doing way too much of a. IMO.

    taggart4800: The more the team plays well the more he will get his looks is all.

    My problem is that when he actively over dribbles and thinks he can score at will off the dribble it doesn’t matter how much better the offense plays around him. He’s going to keep getting the same crap looks. I just think he needs to find a little more balance in his game.
    There are a few times when guys are wide open around him, he’s double and triple teamed, and he just puts his head down and decides that whatever shot he can get is going up… That’s not a team basketball player.

    taggart4800: Just less negativity would be nice. 

    Amare has a PER of 9.5 (league average 15), a WS/48 of -0.86, and a TS% of .468 (league average is around .525)… It’s really hard to look at that, look at his ability and his paycheck, know some of the things he’s doing wrong, and not be negative. I’m not a hater, and as soon as he figures it out I’ll be there to congratulate him. Just because he’s been awful for 4 games doesn’t mean anything besides he’s been awful for 4 games. I am at least a little worried the Shawn Marion affect will happen to him, where his scoring efficiency returns to pre-Nash #s upon leaving Phoenix… but hopefully not. He may just have to score less volume than we anticipated until he gets better incorporated into the team offense. That’s on him and his teammates and his coaches.

  129. Ted Nelson

    Spree8nyk8: As far as your comments about the Army, if you haven’t served please shut the fuck up.

    I am honestly sorry to offend you and should have explained my point better. I’m not insulting anyone or saying anything negative about the armed services. My only point was that I don’t think this is a parallel situation where your army experience is relevant. I wouldn’t have cared less if it wasn’t army experience, but any other kind of experience. What kind of experience it was is not relevant to my comment other than to compare it to this situation.

    Spree8nyk8: But like I said, I don’t disagree with you about Amare to begin with so idk what the problem is. All I said was that it’s a work in progress and they have made strides forward and I am sure they will continue to do so.  

    Fair enough. Sorry, I guess I misunderstood your comment. It was probably me being defensive, because every time I criticize Amare up until now 5 people get on me for it and basically tell me I’m an idiot for thinking he could ever do anything wrong or that he could actually be part of the problem.

  130. Frank

    This game was pretty much a perfect game for this time of year, as far as I’m concerned:

    – Amare sees that the team doesn’t need him to win — in fact, we won IN SPITE of his horrible TOs.

    – Chandler finally ends his hot streak and has a horrible game. Hopefully he stops shooting crap shots like he has been, while still bringing his A-game in close/mid-range.

    – Gallo and the rest of the 3 point shooters wake up – in a BIG way.

    – We RUN again, finally.

    – Except for the Bulls run in the 3rd quarter (fed mostly by Amare’s and Felton’s turnovers), the defense was excellent, again. I can’t remember who it was on the Bulls, but in the 4th, one of them (Gibson? James Johnson?) went in for the dunk and two Knicks went Oakley and Mason on him. When was the last time we saw that??!?

    – Lastly – as horrible an offensive night as Amare had, I was pleasantly surprised at the defensive end. He had a couple blocks and at least 2-3 big rebounds in traffic in the 4th. Don’t care whether he had 100000 rebounds, just as long as he gets the ones we NEED. He drew a charge, had 3 assists. One day he and Felton will figure out the PnR — the more games we have like this — where we win despite a bad offensive game from him, and where he makes up for it by doing the little things, the better off we will be in the long run.

    Seriously though – we could get fat 400 lb Eddy Curry to do what he’s doing right now.

  131. Ted Nelson

    nicos: I don’t know- Mozgov was pretty awful in that very short sequence opening the 2nd half which led to his early benching.

    He didn’t play particularly well, but he only got 10 minutes and did contribute.

    nicos: moved the ball better and I thought while 2-3 of his shots were really “flow killers”, you could probably say about anyone outside of Fields or Walker.

    He moved the ball better, I would agree. Nice adjustment, but much needed. I’m not saying he was a bad defender, just that compared to what I expect from him (maybe the best defender on the team) I was unimpressed.

    I would disagree about killing the flow, though Amare was 10000x more guilty last night than WC. Timo may kill the flow, but he rarely touches it. Turiaf I wouldn’t say does. TD and Gallo generally catch the ball, make a quick move (whether shoot or dribble… though especially Gallo did hesitate a couple of times…), and play with their head up. Even once they start a move, they are as likely to pass the ball as shoot it. I feel like WC and especially Amare, maybe for lack of vision and handle, decide a lot of the time well in advance whether or not they are shooting (Amare did make a couple of nice passes instead of going into triple teams, but he still went into the triple team more often than not). They generally catch, stop, look around or dribble around, then either pass or make a move (generally… and they touch the ball enough that generally adds up to a lot of plays). Not in the flow. Felton I would say definitely plays with his head up.

    The ball generally moved exponentially better than against Portland (especially late in that Portland game), but I would say that was usually in spite of Amare (really not trying to keep ripping him, just my honest opinion). I don’t have a great recollection of WC in the game looking back this morning to be honest, which I guess is a lot better than remembering him holding the ball and shooting way too much… So, yeah, nice to see him adjust.

  132. Spree8nyk8

    Ted Nelson:
    I am honestly sorry to offend you and should have explained my point better. I’m not insulting anyone or saying anything negative about the armed services. My only point was that I don’t think this is a parallel situation where your army experience is relevant. I wouldn’t have cared less if it wasn’t army experience, but any other kind of experience. What kind of experience it was is not relevant to my comment other than to compare it to this situation.
    Fair enough. Sorry, I guess I misunderstood your comment. It was probably me being defensive, because every time I criticize Amare up until now 5 people get on me for it and basically tell me I’m an idiot for thinking he could ever do anything wrong or that he could actually be part of the problem.  

    Fair enough, I hadn’t mentioned the army thing with regards to Amare or anyone on the knicks for that matter. What I had mentioned simply was to the fans, us. That basically, it was a good win and that we all know there are still some issues they’ll have to address but to basically enjoy the win, be glad that many members of the team are playing very well and that I think over time the rest will come around.

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