Statistical Analysis. Humor. Knicks.

Thursday, October 23, 2014

2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bucks

For your in-post game thoughts.

192 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bucks

  1. Doug Chu

    I’ve got the Fox Sports Wisconsin stream… should be interesting to listen to an outsider’s perspective on commentary.

  2. jaylamerique

    is it just me or does it seem that in the past 3 games every teams pf has started off strong againt us

  3. Frank O.

    Stat needs to hold the ball higher in traffic.
    He’s getting striped a lot when he holds it low.

  4. Frank O.

    Announcer just call Drew, Dwight Gooden…
    Drew Gooden seems unimpaired as far as I can tell. He’s already beat his scoring average in the first couple minutes of the first period

  5. jaylamerique

    we foul a lot. i am not to concerned with Jennings hot start. that guy looks like he has concept of team ball and thinks this is a streetball contest

  6. latke

    I kept hearing Luc Richard Mbah a Moute was in the running for MVP, and I couldn’t believe it. Now I do.

  7. Frank O.

    Knicks have fallen in love with blocked shots.
    every head fake their in the air. Guys who aren’t even near the play are in the air.

  8. David Crockett

    Frank O.: Knicks have fallen in love with blocked shots.
    every head fake their in the air. Guys who aren’t even near the play are in the air.  

    This.

  9. Nick C.

    Frank it blew up in the time it took to post. They have to come to Earth but if they are just gonna foul, give up OR and take ugly shots I donno.

  10. d-mar

    I don’ think it’s possible to have a more one-sided quarter. Every player on the Bucks made almost every shot they took, and every Knick was absolutely awful in every phase of the game. The only chance they have is to get it down to 10-14 points by halftime.

  11. Roshi

    It looks like this game is being played in a large high school gym…Bogut is a genius for assembling the superfan section. Otherwise it would be dead silent.

  12. irvin00

    Knicks reverting to their mean (30 wins per season) – but no reason to panic. This is the 7th game only…

  13. rohank

    Why couldn’t we throw up one of the mulligan’s against miami or something instead of milwaukee? This is a “winnable” game.

  14. Ted Nelson

    Knicks had no halfcourt offense so the obvious solution was to put out their horrible halfcourt offense group… makes sense…

  15. David Crockett

    Spree8nyk8: Every shot goes down, every call goes there way, what can you do  

    Play better? (Mostly play smarter. Stop running at non-shooters and leaving shooters wide open.)

  16. Roshi

    Good point rohank…i wish we could just take care of business against the mediocre teams and tank the games against the elite. That would probably be enough to sneak into the playoffs in the East.

  17. Frank O.

    AR literally just watched that three. Not even an attempt to challenge.
    He was 20 feet from his guy.
    What the hell?

  18. Frank O.

    Ted Nelson: Knicks had no halfcourt offense so the obvious solution was to put out their horrible halfcourt offense group… makes sense…  

    agreed.

  19. Ted Nelson

    Spree8nyk8: Every shot goes down, every call goes there way, what can you do  

    They are playing both harder and smarter. They are beating the Knicks to every spot, that’s why the calls are going their way. They are playing in a higher gear. They are confident and have a plan. The Knicks don’t look like they do… unless trying to block every shot and shooting as soon as you can is a plan…

  20. David Crockett

    Milwaukee’s win probability has to be about 95% right now. They’d all have to fall down and break something in all likelihood to lose this game. NY may make it cosmetically close, but this game is over.

  21. irvin00

    D’Antoni’s system has severely stunted the growth of Chandler and Gallinari. The blind reliance on shooting 3’s at every opportunity is destroying the team – this group is not as bad as Dantoni makes them look

  22. David Crockett

    Not that it would matter, but some of these charges are nonsense given the contact Milwaukee is getting away with on its offense.

  23. Z

    Frank O.: Knicks making a bad team look good.  

    I’ll be surprised if the Bucks finish worse than the Knicks this year. They should be a top 6 team in the east.

  24. Roshi

    Did anyone see that Indiana had 54 pts in the 3rd quarter against Denver?!! 20-21 from the field, Dunleavy alone had 5 threes in the quarter. Holy crap.

  25. Ted Nelson

    Frank O.: Knicks making a bad team look good.

    The Bucks won 46 games last season and possibly got better… This is a better team than the Knicks.

  26. jaylamerique

    stat is having a really good game. its that everyone else on the team decided to stay in NYC

  27. jaylamerique

    Ted Nelson:
    The Bucks won 46 games last season and possibly got better… This is a better team than the Knicks.  

    they are a horrible offensive team though and we cant seem to stop them from scoring.

  28. Z

    Anthony Randolph has 8 rebounds. Nobody else has more than 2. (I guess it would help if the Bucks missed)

  29. Thomas B.

    I don’t know about the rest of you but I love the way this team is playing. And by “this team” I mean the Bucks. Fear the Deer!!

  30. David Crockett

    Z:
    I’ll be surprised if the Bucks finish worse than the Knicks this year. They should be a top 6 team in the east.  

    Their “true” talent is, I think, closer to what they’ve been shooting than it is to what they’re doing tonight. I don’t see how their talent meshes.

  31. David Crockett

    Z: Anthony Randolph has 8 rebounds. Nobody else has more than 2. (I guess it would help if the Bucks missed)  

    Err… we’re missing enough for plenty o’ rebounds to be available. We’re too busy picking up jock straps after being play faked to friggin’ death.

  32. Frank O.

    Ted Nelson:
    The Bucks won 46 games last season and possibly got better… This is a better team than the Knicks.  

    seriously, Ted?
    This Bucks team is averaging under 90 points a game through 7.
    It’s early, but they have totally sucked to date.
    Just sayin’, dude

  33. David Crockett

    Frank O.:
    no shit. unbelievable.  

    Grr… That was one awful half of basketball. When we played hard we didn’t play smart and it really showed. When we didn’t play hard it really showed.

  34. Frank O.

    It seems unbelievably surreal to listen to Malik Rose criticizing this Knicks team’s play.
    Malik Rose?
    It only gets worse if it was like Eddy Curry talking smack about the Knicks defense right now.

  35. Roshi

    Too bad Curry isn’t ready for primetime…this would be a great opportunity to wheel him out there for comedic value.

  36. Frank O.

    Frank O.: It seems unbelievably surreal to listen to Malik Rose criticizing this Knicks team’s play.
    Malik Rose?
    It only gets worse if it was like Eddy Curry talking smack about the Knicks defense right now.  

    Eddy: this team is just not hustling
    Pieto: The Bucks are just owning the Knicks from 3 pt.
    Eddy: I’ll tell you, Felton needs to lose some weight and the Knicks need to challenge those threes. Unacceptable.

    [Rifle shot from off stage]
    Curry crumples to the floor.

    Sorry. Had to make that end well to get through it.
    And he was only winged. A “flesh wound” so to speak. :)

  37. David Crockett

    Derek Jeter again with the gold glove. It’s like they’re voting for him just to spite people who know better.

  38. David Crockett

    Z:
    Yeah, but offensive rebounding is against D’Antoni’s religion  

    Jeff Van Gundy is his high priest. Popovich is pope. :)

  39. Ted Nelson

    David Crockett: Their “true” talent is, I think, closer to what they’ve been shooting than it is to what they’re doing tonight. I don’t see how their talent meshes.  

    Obviously they’re not going to shoot like 80% on the season… It’s not just that they’re getting lucky (which they are), though. They are smarter than the Knicks and just outplaying them. The will probably finish the season with more wins than the Knicks. You really think Maggette’s talent is close to .507 TS%??? Gooden’s to .443??? Ilyasova’s to .446??? I don’t. And everyone knows that Jennings can do this on any given night. He just won’t do it every night.

    The Knicks offense is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO stagnant that I know what’s coming. Obviously one of the best defenses in the NBA knows what’s coming. MOVE OFF THE BALL. They just stand there.

    Sure, the Bucks are shooting an insane %, but they’re also getting a lot of open looks. They’re keeping the Knicks off balance defensively.

  40. Frank O.

    Ted Nelson:
    Yes, seriously. This is a good team.  

    their season to date notwithstanding…

    Isn’t it just a bit frustrating that the Bucks would have a break out offensive effort against the Knicks?
    Is there blood coursing through your veins? Or is this you Spock thing?
    “Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”
    ;)

  41. d-mar

    If you get bored with this shellacking, turn to NBA TV. The Jazz have come back from 14 down to get within 3 in Miami. And Millsap has 33 points.

  42. Frank O.

    David Crockett: Derek Jeter again with the gold glove. It’s like they’re voting for him just to spite people who know better.  

    Look, the Knicks are playing like crap. Turiaf sprained his knee and Gallo fell on his wrist. Isn’t that enough.
    Do you need to start trashing Jete? Serious, what is wrong with people tonight?
    ;)

  43. Ted Nelson

    Malik Rose does have 2 rings (as a rotation player) and about 4 seasons in his prime where he was an above average NBA player… I wouldn’t even begin to compare him to Curry…

  44. Frank O.

    Ted Nelson: Malik Rose does have 2 rings (as a rotation player) and about 4 seasons in his prime where he was an above average NBA player… I wouldn’t even begin to compare him to Curry…  

    OMG!

    Wait, wait. I want to try something.

    Black….

  45. Roshi

    Landry Fields plays hard and seems to be the only one who knows to take it to the basket when we desperately need a bucket…I like this guy a lot.

  46. David Crockett

    Ted Nelson:
    You really think Maggette’s talent is close to .507 TS%??? Gooden’s to .443??? Ilyasova’s to .446??? I don’t. And everyone knows that Jennings can do this on any given night. He just won’t do it every night.
    defensively.  

    Career TS%
    Maggette = .580 (consider that he practically lives on the FT line)
    Ilyasova = .515
    Gooden = .519

    A lot closer to what they’ve done this season than what they’re doing tonight. I wasn’t implying that they’re complete garbage. I just can easily see where they regress from last year rather than get better.

    Obviously, they’re ballin’ tonight though.

  47. David Crockett

    Z: Mozgov just took Drew Gooden’s entire body in into his balls…  

    Had a high school pal who was Mozgov, ended up twisting his testicles and had to get surgery.

  48. Spree8nyk8

    Frank O.:
    If I’m going to go first, I should say Landry, then you say Fields.
    We need to work on that Spree. :)  

    If you lead I can onl follow :)

  49. Frank O.

    David Crockett:
    Had a high school pal who was Mozgov, ended up twisting his testicles and had to get surgery.  

    *cringe*
    What is wrong with people tonight????

    Isn’t the game ball buster enough?

  50. rohank

    If maggette moves into randolph’s way AFTER randolph jumps, shouldn’t it be a blocking foul? How can AR possibly be expected to get out of the way?

  51. latke

    we’ve been called for like 6 charges — a clear sign that players are putting their heads down. Chandler’s pass off/charge was a perfect example of what we’re missing out on by not passing when we’re cut off. Layups. open shots…

  52. Spree8nyk8

    latke: we’ve been called for like 6 charges — a clear sign that players are putting their heads down.Chandler’s pass off/charge was a perfect example of what we’re missing out on by not passing when we’re cut off.Layups. open shots…  

    He didn’t have his head down it was a horrible call he took a full step forward into him to create the contact

  53. Roshi

    At least we know Nate Robinson was expendable….Toney Douglas is an exact clone. He’s either on fire or completely useless

  54. Z

    Spree8nyk8:
    He didn’t have his head down it was a horrible call he took a full step forward into him to create the contact  

    Yeah. It’s the difference in this ball game.

  55. BigBlueAL

    I feel like an absolute moron for thinking this Knicks team was any different than the crap teams we have seen the past few years.

  56. jaylamerique

    Frank O.: Douglas looks like he just learned how to dribble.  

    thats part of the problem, we dont have a pg that can actually pass

  57. David Crockett

    Karl Malone is contemplating a comeback because he’s wearing shapeups.

    Right now, I’d take Karl Malone in a walking shoe. Yeah I would.

  58. Frank O.

    David Crockett: RMjr in.
    White flag raised  

    the Knicks announcers crack me up. Four minutes of what a pro Mason is still in the gym, working on his game although he’s lost minutes [he's and 87 % FT shooter, and misses the FT]
    What a pro…

    Friggin’ guy get’s paid a hell of a lot of money. What they hell else should he be doing…and it ain’t working.

  59. Frank O.

    marxster: Gallo is nowhere to be seen. Where’s Melo…  

    I have to say, I’m getting very tired of the waiting for Gallo to arrive act.

  60. d-mar

    Sorry to keep harping on the Heat Jazz game, but Millsap just sent the game into OT with a putback at the buzzer. Oh and he has 44 pts.

  61. Frank O.

    Douglas’s head is not in the game. Watching him guard boykins, it just makes no sense. I mean, what the hell is he doing?

  62. marxster

    Frank O.:
    I have to say, I’m getting very tired of the waiting for Gallo to arrive act.  

    The whole conversation about Gallo and his “potential” is really starting to piss me off. “Potential” alone doesn’t make you a good player, he has to start playing or be shipped out.

  63. Frank O.

    marxster:
    The whole conversation about Gallo and his “potential” is really starting to piss me off. “Potential” alone doesn’t make you a good player, he has to start playing or be shipped out.  

    now, I know someone will roll out Gallo’s 3 pt numbers, his TS% and say he’s good. And I can see that, but there are literally a bunch of times where the guy completely disappears.

  64. irvin00

    It’s not the players, guys. It is the system they are forced into. Shooting 3’s is the most difficult way to score, and that is what Dantoni demands from this group. It would be much easier to have them play fundamentally sound basketball. As simple as that.

  65. Kikuchiyo

    Do you think we could trade Roger Mason, Jr. even up for Roger Mason, Sr.? It’s worth a shot, no?

  66. David Crockett

    marxster:
    The whole conversation about Gallo and his “potential” is really starting to piss me off. “Potential” alone doesn’t make you a good player, he has to start playing or be shipped out.  

    Simmer down there guys. It’s his age 22 season, and he’s already a useful player. I think there is some hyperbole about his ceiling at times, but he’s a player. He’s not a superstar.

  67. marxster

    David,

    we can’t have a guy that’s supposed to be one of the better players on our team show up only every 5th game. Even Wilson Chandler is more productive more consistently. And he does drive it to the basket more often than Gallo.

  68. Frank O.

    David Crockett:
    Simmer down there guys. It’s his age 22 season, and he’s already a useful player. I think there is some hyperbole about his ceiling at times, but he’s a player. He’s not a superstar.  

    This is no time for rationality, Davy Crockett.
    ;)

  69. Thomas B.

    It’s just 1 game. Well if you add the last game, it’s just 2 games. But it probably wont be 3 games, unless it is.

  70. irvin00

    Any other coach in the league would demand that Gallo move around and drive to the basket consistently – but Dantoni doesn’t think offensive rebounds or sound basketball are good ideas…fire the clown, I say. He will destroy this bunch of young players. As the losses mount, we will see the same story of the last two seasons.

  71. jaylamerique

    irvin00: It’s not the players, guys. It is the system they are forced into. Shooting 3?s is the most difficult way to score, and that is what Dantoni demands from this group. It would be much easier to have them play fundamentally sound basketball. As simple as that.  

    wait what. the system clearly works. it worked for the suns last year with the same system. they lived off of shooting 3s and won 50 + games. the only problem with our team is the players. we dont have good enough shooters or a steve-nash type passer.

  72. marxster

    Let’s bring Jeff Van Gundy back. (I’m still laughing at the sight of him hanging on to Mourning’s leg).

  73. Thomas B.

    Hey what NES game was better, The Legend of Zelda or The Guardian Legend? Zelda was really good but TGL was like two games in one with the overhead adventure combined with the flying shooter stages. I guess the knock on TGL is that the flying stages got repetitive over time. So which of the two games was your favorite?

  74. irvin00

    @jay

    Well, if the Kincks don’t have the players for Dantoni’s system, then they should get a coach with a different system…

  75. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    jaylamerique:
    wait what. the system clearly works. it worked for the suns last year with the same system. they lived off of shooting 3s and won 50 + games. the only problem with our team is the players. we dont have good enough shooters or a steve-nash type passer.  

    He’s saying that the players aren’t bad, but they don’t fit the system. It’s like buying a size 4 dress for your size 10 fiancee: neither of you are going to be happy at the wedding.

  76. Frank O.

    Ted Nelson:
    Obviously they’re not going to shoot like 80% on the season… It’s not just that they’re getting lucky (which they are), though. They are smarter than the Knicks and just outplaying them. .  

    I’ll give you one thing, Ted.
    The Knicks are predictable.
    Offensively, but also defensively.
    The last few games teams have figured out that the Knicks over commit to blocks. They’re biting on every damn head fake, and every team out there knows it. The Knicks will see this all season until they fix this problem.
    It’s also obvious that they have stopped moving the ball around on offense. You are right that they are stagnant.
    I have never seen STAT get blocked so often.
    Not sure Lee got blocked this often…

  77. David Crockett

    marxster: David,we can’t have a guy that’s supposed to be one of the better players on our team show up only every 5th game. Even Wilson Chandler is more productive more consistently. And he does drive it to the basket more often than Gallo.  

    Share your frustrations with Gallo but inconsistency is the hallmark of a kid trying to make his way in the league. You can’t make that process go faster than it goes. And like I said, he’s already a really useful player. His career TS% is .578. Other parts of his floor game below average to fair–if he’s not hitting shots he can be worthless– but .578 is pretty damn good.

    I like Chandler more than some less than others, but he is in no way a better offensive player than Gallo (.518 TS). When he is more productive than Gallo it is because of his (I think) better than average defense and defensive versatility. But offensively it’s not close — and interestingly, Chandler can be bad for the same maddening tendency to float on the perimeter.

  78. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    By the way, Eddie House has now shot extremely poorly in two of Miami’s losses. I blame him for the loss. If they don’t realize that he belongs on the bench for 48 minutes, they deserve to lose 30 games.

    Also, how does LeBron miss 12 (TWELVE!) of his 17 2-pt attempts!?

  79. Ted Nelson

    I kind of wish Larry Sanders had gouged my eyes instead of Timo’s…

    Frank O.,

    Say what you want, but you said A. the Bucks are a bad team and B. Malik Rose talking about the Knicks is like Eddy Curry talking about the Knicks. The Bucks were a 46 win team last season that got better on paper and Rose was one of the most respected players in the NBA during his career. I disagreed. If it was some random or other poster I wouldn’t have said anything, but I generally respect your comments.

    Dave,

    It’s hard to say that the Bucks weren’t underachieving up till this point. TS% was just one example… and 70+ point swings are not close IMO. Obviously this was just a ridiculous game, but I absolutely think the Bucks are a disappointment if they aren’t in the playoffs. They had a pretty young team that made the playoffs. They added Maggette. They added Salmons mid-season last season. And the guys they lost were mostly inconsequential, old, or had fluke seasons…

  80. Ted Nelson

    Frank O.: The Knicks are predictable.

    I don’t really understand why no one moves off the ball. They just stand around. Clearly it’s the plan. I don’t get it. There is no Steve Nash on this team, stop standing around waiting for him to pass the ball. They are so easy to defend because it’s all iso or two man, with everyone else standing there. Bring Gallo off some screens… do SOMETHING.

  81. BigBlueAL

    If this Knicks team wants to keep me believing in them and giving me the slightest of hope that this team is different than the past few years, they MUST not only win tomorrow but they should win their next 2 games too (at Minny, home vs Houston) before their west coast trip next week. 6-4 by end of week will make me forget these past 2 games.

  82. d-mar

    Well the Knicks are 3-4 after playing 3 home games and 4 road games, so I guess from a distance you’d say that’s where they’re supposed to be. But there are some really disturbing trends which you’ve all pointed out; I just did a flying leap off the Raymond and Toney bandwagon and landed on my head!

    And MAJOR props to the Jazz for hanging in that game and taking it in OT. F— Miami thrice!

  83. BigBlueAL

    Yeah Z I know, thats why I said they better win tomorrow plus hopefully both games this weekend. 5-5 at worst by the end of the week.

  84. nicos

    That’s two straight poor defensive games for Douglas- He has to realize that he needs to pick his spots to pressure the ball- while constant aggression is great against guys who aren’t terrific ball handlers, guys who have a handle and are reasonably quick will turn it against you.
    Agree that D’Antoni’s laissez-faire approach to offense isn’t helping Gallo- it’s been a year and half and it’s pretty obvious moving without the ball just isn’t part of his game so set the guy some screens besides the little hand-off play he runs with Amare at times. Coming into the season my greatest concerns were rebounding (where I’ve been pleasantly surprised) and playmaking- especially from the wing players. Fields, Gallo, Chandler, and Walker are all posting single digit assist %s. Gallo and especially Chandler aren’t even particularly good at swinging the ball around the perimeter- Fields may not be generating any assists but at least he does this well- the ball does not stick in his hands. And Douglas (as someone mentioned above) is basically Nate redux (albeit with the potential to much better defensively) not a real positive when you’re looking for ball movement. D’Antoni doesn’t call for a whole lot of screens off of the ball and they’ve got guys who tend to stand around a lot so they have to get the ball moving quicker from side to side. Tough to do when your second best passer is Ronny Turiaf.

  85. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Love’s got 8 offensive rebounds at halftime. Dude makes David Lee look like Amar’e.

  86. Frank O.

    Ted Nelson: I kind of wish Larry Sanders had gouged my eyes instead of Timo’s…Frank O.,Say what you want, but you said A. the Bucks are a bad team and B. Malik Rose talking about the Knicks is like Eddy Curry talking about the Knicks. The Bucks were a 46 win team last season that got better on paper and Rose was one of the most respected players in the NBA during his career. I disagreed. If it was some random or other poster I wouldn’t have said anything, but I generally respect your comments.…  

    I was having a bit of fun last night. Malik had a nice career, but those last 4 + years with the Knicks were some of the worst Knick years of my life. :)
    He was a bit player, not particularly effective, and a bench warmer on a team of mediocre to bad talent. And to remind you of my quote, I said:
    It seems unbelievably surreal to listen to Malik Rose criticizing this Knicks team’s play.
    Malik Rose?
    It only gets worse if it was like Eddy Curry talking smack about the Knicks defense right now.

    So you see, in my original comment the comparison showed Curry to be the lesser. You may argue that I was unfair to Mr. Rose, but I was merely being glib. Malik did have some good years off the bench with SAS, but by the time he was a Knicks player, those years were distant memories.

    As for the Bucks, as I noted earlier, they are a good team not withstanding their season to the point of last night. They were a team struggling to average better than 90 points in seven games, and they show up playing the 8th ranked defense thus far this year, and suddenly they are unconscious.

    Challenge away, I deserve it, probably require it.
    But I was having a bit of fun last night probably as a way to cope with the disappointment I felt.
    You’ll remember I wrote recently that after the win against the Bulls, I was prepped for a let down ala the past 10 years. Then they won another impressive game and I let my guard down. Now they have dropped two in a row to teams I believe they should beat and I’m feeling a bit like it’s the same old uneven Knicks.
    It was a moment of weakness on my part, so I decided to entertain/distract myself by having some fun on the blog.

    One thing is clear, the NBA has noticed the Knicks and they are adjusting. It’s up to the coach and the players to adapt. The success or failure of the season will depend on how the Knicks apply countermeasures.

Comments are closed.