2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bucks
November 9th, 2010 by Mike Kurylo | @KnickerBlogger | Comments | Permalink |
For your in-post game thoughts.
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Game On!
please, I hope that standing around shit isn’t a foreshadowing
I’ve got the Fox Sports Wisconsin stream… should be interesting to listen to an outsider’s perspective on commentary.
Gooden was a statue
so do i, they actually acknowledge the knicks defense
Amare Stoudemires erect?!?
Getting owned by Drew Gooden…
is it just me or does it seem that in the past 3 games every teams pf has started off strong againt us
Stat needs to hold the ball higher in traffic.
He’s getting striped a lot when he holds it low.
That was a better play. Angle pass from the side to Amare cutting to the basket. 2 FT
Announcer just call Drew, Dwight Gooden…
Drew Gooden seems unimpaired as far as I can tell. He’s already beat his scoring average in the first couple minutes of the first period
Turiaf is the one who fouls too much?
This is a pretty crappy effort so far…
Pretty sloppy so far…
Milwaukee 10/12. Yikes. On the positive side only down 8 tho it seems like double that.
where is the defense.
it is now.
we foul a lot. i am not to concerned with Jennings hot start. that guy looks like he has concept of team ball and thinks this is a streetball contest
Knicks all balls and no brains right now.
christ i hope this turns around, wishing i hadn’t started league pass today lol
This can’t continue.
But our shooters are sucking
feeling sickly
We need a stop, badly.
omg we are getting destroyed
I kept hearing Luc Richard Mbah a Moute was in the running for MVP, and I couldn’t believe it. Now I do.
idk if t’s your shooters when you give up 40 in the first
Knicks have fallen in love with blocked shots.
every head fake their in the air. Guys who aren’t even near the play are in the air.
THAT was a bloodbath.
But we can’t buy a bucket anyway…
This.
Knicks down by 22 in the first quarter, but the good news is that there are 75 games left…:-)
stammering? :)
Frank it blew up in the time it took to post. They have to come to Earth but if they are just gonna foul, give up OR and take ugly shots I donno.
Same old Knicks…this is hard to watch. Randolph is so raw and Mozgov looks like a lost child.
Taking good shots might help.
I don’ think it’s possible to have a more one-sided quarter. Every player on the Bucks made almost every shot they took, and every Knick was absolutely awful in every phase of the game. The only chance they have is to get it down to 10-14 points by halftime.
AR looked just horrible on that lay up
Finally someone makes a damn lay-up…
its like someone’s playin nba live and just spamming the Y button.
Is the game over?
In no small part because of the Bucks…
It looks like this game is being played in a large high school gym…Bogut is a genius for assembling the superfan section. Otherwise it would be dead silent.
Douglas is so icy
Indeed, they’re 0-7 from three, why are they forcing 3s
Every shot goes down, every call goes there way, what can you do
For the love of god Wilson, take it to the basket.
Someone tell Chandler to stop jacking threes
Stop shooting threes. WC!
Knicks reverting to their mean (30 wins per season) – but no reason to panic. This is the 7th game only…
Why couldn’t we throw up one of the mulligan’s against miami or something instead of milwaukee? This is a “winnable” game.
Knicks had no halfcourt offense so the obvious solution was to put out their horrible halfcourt offense group… makes sense…
Play better? (Mostly play smarter. Stop running at non-shooters and leaving shooters wide open.)
Good point rohank…i wish we could just take care of business against the mediocre teams and tank the games against the elite. That would probably be enough to sneak into the playoffs in the East.
AR literally just watched that three. Not even an attempt to challenge.
He was 20 feet from his guy.
What the hell?
agreed.
They are playing both harder and smarter. They are beating the Knicks to every spot, that’s why the calls are going their way. They are playing in a higher gear. They are confident and have a plan. The Knicks don’t look like they do… unless trying to block every shot and shooting as soon as you can is a plan…
Milwaukee’s win probability has to be about 95% right now. They’d all have to fall down and break something in all likelihood to lose this game. NY may make it cosmetically close, but this game is over.
here come two missed free throws
D’Antoni’s system has severely stunted the growth of Chandler and Gallinari. The blind reliance on shooting 3′s at every opportunity is destroying the team – this group is not as bad as Dantoni makes them look
Maybe that dunk will light a fire under their ass
Worse than that but contested 3s with time on the clock.
have gallo or stat even played in the 2nd quarter?
Knicks making a bad team look good.
If they can pull out a win here, it would be huge.
I think both have 2 fouls
Amare needs to be more than a cheerleader here.
He needs to step up and make some strong plays
jesus fing christ
Fields’ hair style says Duran Duran
Felton is really disappointing tonight…at least Duhon could hold on to the ball
Get it managable by halftime guys…
how ironic is it that Chandler makes our first three pointer
Knicks need to go on a 27-0 run to close the second quarter ;-)
Not that it would matter, but some of these charges are nonsense given the contact Milwaukee is getting away with on its offense.
It seems that is was.
I’ll be surprised if the Bucks finish worse than the Knicks this year. They should be a top 6 team in the east.
Did anyone see that Indiana had 54 pts in the 3rd quarter against Denver?!! 20-21 from the field, Dunleavy alone had 5 threes in the quarter. Holy crap.
Turiaf and Gallo giving serious thought to the possibility of getting injured :-)
The Bucks won 46 games last season and possibly got better… This is a better team than the Knicks.
stat is having a really good game. its that everyone else on the team decided to stay in NYC
they are a horrible offensive team though and we cant seem to stop them from scoring.
Anthony Randolph has 8 rebounds. Nobody else has more than 2. (I guess it would help if the Bucks missed)
I don’t know about the rest of you but I love the way this team is playing. And by “this team” I mean the Bucks. Fear the Deer!!
Their “true” talent is, I think, closer to what they’ve been shooting than it is to what they’re doing tonight. I don’t see how their talent meshes.
Err… we’re missing enough for plenty o’ rebounds to be available. We’re too busy picking up jock straps after being play faked to friggin’ death.
no shit. unbelievable.
Denver got pimped in Indiana. Eww.
seriously, Ted?
This Bucks team is averaging under 90 points a game through 7.
It’s early, but they have totally sucked to date.
Just sayin’, dude
Grr… That was one awful half of basketball. When we played hard we didn’t play smart and it really showed. When we didn’t play hard it really showed.
It seems unbelievably surreal to listen to Malik Rose criticizing this Knicks team’s play.
Malik Rose?
It only gets worse if it was like Eddy Curry talking smack about the Knicks defense right now.
Yes, seriously. This is a good team.
Yeah, but offensive rebounding is against D’Antoni’s religion
Too bad Curry isn’t ready for primetime…this would be a great opportunity to wheel him out there for comedic value.
Eddy: this team is just not hustling
Pieto: The Bucks are just owning the Knicks from 3 pt.
Eddy: I’ll tell you, Felton needs to lose some weight and the Knicks need to challenge those threes. Unacceptable.
[Rifle shot from off stage]
Curry crumples to the floor.
Sorry. Had to make that end well to get through it.
And he was only winged. A “flesh wound” so to speak. :)
Derek Jeter again with the gold glove. It’s like they’re voting for him just to spite people who know better.
Jeff Van Gundy is his high priest. Popovich is pope. :)
Obviously they’re not going to shoot like 80% on the season… It’s not just that they’re getting lucky (which they are), though. They are smarter than the Knicks and just outplaying them. The will probably finish the season with more wins than the Knicks. You really think Maggette’s talent is close to .507 TS%??? Gooden’s to .443??? Ilyasova’s to .446??? I don’t. And everyone knows that Jennings can do this on any given night. He just won’t do it every night.
The Knicks offense is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO stagnant that I know what’s coming. Obviously one of the best defenses in the NBA knows what’s coming. MOVE OFF THE BALL. They just stand there.
Sure, the Bucks are shooting an insane %, but they’re also getting a lot of open looks. They’re keeping the Knicks off balance defensively.
their season to date notwithstanding…
Isn’t it just a bit frustrating that the Bucks would have a break out offensive effort against the Knicks?
Is there blood coursing through your veins? Or is this you Spock thing?
“Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”
;)
If you get bored with this shellacking, turn to NBA TV. The Jazz have come back from 14 down to get within 3 in Miami. And Millsap has 33 points.
Thank you Felton for spraining Turiaf’s knee.
Look, the Knicks are playing like crap. Turiaf sprained his knee and Gallo fell on his wrist. Isn’t that enough.
Do you need to start trashing Jete? Serious, what is wrong with people tonight?
;)
Malik Rose does have 2 rings (as a rotation player) and about 4 seasons in his prime where he was an above average NBA player… I wouldn’t even begin to compare him to Curry…
OMG!
Wait, wait. I want to try something.
Black….
Utah by 2. The Miami color guy sounds like Charles Bronson.
lol David what was that you said about Milwaukee falling down and breaking something?
Mozgov just took Drew Gooden’s entire body in into his balls…
HAHAHAHA!
Got to get it to 10 before the end of the period
Great D
FIELDS!
Landry!
concur
Landry Fields plays hard and seems to be the only one who knows to take it to the basket when we desperately need a bucket…I like this guy a lot.
Career TS%
Maggette = .580 (consider that he practically lives on the FT line)
Ilyasova = .515
Gooden = .519
A lot closer to what they’ve done this season than what they’re doing tonight. I wasn’t implying that they’re complete garbage. I just can easily see where they regress from last year rather than get better.
Obviously, they’re ballin’ tonight though.
If I’m going to go first, I should say Landry, then you say Fields.
We need to work on that Spree. :)
Had a high school pal who was Mozgov, ended up twisting his testicles and had to get surgery.
Gallo,
you gotta put Bogut on the floor there.
Where was this offense in the 1st half?
Knicks are making a push, so insert AR to kill the drive…
Ted, come on now.
Black…
If you lead I can onl follow :)
only
*cringe*
What is wrong with people tonight????
Isn’t the game ball buster enough?
I think we may have ran out of gas getting it to 16
If maggette moves into randolph’s way AFTER randolph jumps, shouldn’t it be a blocking foul? How can AR possibly be expected to get out of the way?
that is a horseshit call he stepped into him.
Stat, travel.
AR, charge.
David, a twisted nut story.
someone needs to get AR a brain. he saw magette their yet chose to drive right into him.
we’ve been called for like 6 charges — a clear sign that players are putting their heads down. Chandler’s pass off/charge was a perfect example of what we’re missing out on by not passing when we’re cut off. Layups. open shots…
What’s the NBA record for most charges in one game? I know if we really try, we can get it!
That was a WAYYYY bad call
He didn’t have his head down it was a horrible call he took a full step forward into him to create the contact
Douglas looks like he just learned how to dribble.
At least we know Nate Robinson was expendable….Toney Douglas is an exact clone. He’s either on fire or completely useless
that was sick
Yeah. It’s the difference in this ball game.
I feel like an absolute moron for thinking this Knicks team was any different than the crap teams we have seen the past few years.
thats part of the problem, we dont have a pg that can actually pass
This is officially over.
RMjr in.
White flag raised
Different season, different players, same Dantoni…same result
Gallo is nowhere to be seen. Where’s Melo…
Mbah Moute jumps like 2 inches in the air, and guys are flying past him.
Just ugly.
What a mess.
Karl Malone is contemplating a comeback because he’s wearing shapeups.
Right now, I’d take Karl Malone in a walking shoe. Yeah I would.
Why do we keep leaving Maggette open?
the Knicks announcers crack me up. Four minutes of what a pro Mason is still in the gym, working on his game although he’s lost minutes [he's and 87 % FT shooter, and misses the FT]
What a pro…
Friggin’ guy get’s paid a hell of a lot of money. What they hell else should he be doing…and it ain’t working.
I have to say, I’m getting very tired of the waiting for Gallo to arrive act.
Sorry to keep harping on the Heat Jazz game, but Millsap just sent the game into OT with a putback at the buzzer. Oh and he has 44 pts.
Douglas’s head is not in the game. Watching him guard boykins, it just makes no sense. I mean, what the hell is he doing?
At least the Al Harrington meaningless points bonanzas were fun to watch. This is just awful.
And onto Northern Illinois vs Toledo.
Go MAC
Upon watching tonite’s chicanery, David Lee promises his first 30-30 for tomorrow night.
The whole conversation about Gallo and his “potential” is really starting to piss me off. “Potential” alone doesn’t make you a good player, he has to start playing or be shipped out.
Mason Junior, misses…everything.
…and I wouldn’t mind if they package Randolph along with Gallo at the same time.
AK-47!
Utah up 112 to 111.
RMjr clearly didn’t watch that web video analyzing his shot…
now, I know someone will roll out Gallo’s 3 pt numbers, his TS% and say he’s good. And I can see that, but there are literally a bunch of times where the guy completely disappears.
It’s not the players, guys. It is the system they are forced into. Shooting 3′s is the most difficult way to score, and that is what Dantoni demands from this group. It would be much easier to have them play fundamentally sound basketball. As simple as that.
Do you think we could trade Roger Mason, Jr. even up for Roger Mason, Sr.? It’s worth a shot, no?
Simmer down there guys. It’s his age 22 season, and he’s already a useful player. I think there is some hyperbole about his ceiling at times, but he’s a player. He’s not a superstar.
I wish RMjr would wear #14.
David,
we can’t have a guy that’s supposed to be one of the better players on our team show up only every 5th game. Even Wilson Chandler is more productive more consistently. And he does drive it to the basket more often than Gallo.
What I said about their pythag. record:
Null.
This is no time for rationality, Davy Crockett.
;)
Wade just tied it.
foul with four tenths.
Wade commits the foul.
Utah up by 2 with .4 left in the game
It’s just 1 game. Well if you add the last game, it’s just 2 games. But it probably wont be 3 games, unless it is.
Any other coach in the league would demand that Gallo move around and drive to the basket consistently – but Dantoni doesn’t think offensive rebounds or sound basketball are good ideas…fire the clown, I say. He will destroy this bunch of young players. As the losses mount, we will see the same story of the last two seasons.
Lebron and Bosh seem to be watching the Wade show tonight. Weird
huh huh
Look on the bright side. If we’re looking for a coach soon, Eric Spoelstra may be available.
Utah wins, coming back from 22 down in Miami
wait what. the system clearly works. it worked for the suns last year with the same system. they lived off of shooting 3s and won 50 + games. the only problem with our team is the players. we dont have good enough shooters or a steve-nash type passer.
Riley. Will take over in Miami if things get a bit out of control. That’s a given.
Let’s bring Jeff Van Gundy back. (I’m still laughing at the sight of him hanging on to Mourning’s leg).
Hey what NES game was better, The Legend of Zelda or The Guardian Legend? Zelda was really good but TGL was like two games in one with the overhead adventure combined with the flying shooter stages. I guess the knock on TGL is that the flying stages got repetitive over time. So which of the two games was your favorite?
@jay
Well, if the Kincks don’t have the players for Dantoni’s system, then they should get a coach with a different system…
He’s saying that the players aren’t bad, but they don’t fit the system. It’s like buying a size 4 dress for your size 10 fiancee: neither of you are going to be happy at the wedding.
I’ll give you one thing, Ted.
The Knicks are predictable.
Offensively, but also defensively.
The last few games teams have figured out that the Knicks over commit to blocks. They’re biting on every damn head fake, and every team out there knows it. The Knicks will see this all season until they fix this problem.
It’s also obvious that they have stopped moving the ball around on offense. You are right that they are stagnant.
I have never seen STAT get blocked so often.
Not sure Lee got blocked this often…
Share your frustrations with Gallo but inconsistency is the hallmark of a kid trying to make his way in the league. You can’t make that process go faster than it goes. And like I said, he’s already a really useful player. His career TS% is .578. Other parts of his floor game below average to fair–if he’s not hitting shots he can be worthless– but .578 is pretty damn good.
I like Chandler more than some less than others, but he is in no way a better offensive player than Gallo (.518 TS). When he is more productive than Gallo it is because of his (I think) better than average defense and defensive versatility. But offensively it’s not close — and interestingly, Chandler can be bad for the same maddening tendency to float on the perimeter.
By the way, Eddie House has now shot extremely poorly in two of Miami’s losses. I blame him for the loss. If they don’t realize that he belongs on the bench for 48 minutes, they deserve to lose 30 games.
Also, how does LeBron miss 12 (TWELVE!) of his 17 2-pt attempts!?
I kind of wish Larry Sanders had gouged my eyes instead of Timo’s…
Frank O.,
Say what you want, but you said A. the Bucks are a bad team and B. Malik Rose talking about the Knicks is like Eddy Curry talking about the Knicks. The Bucks were a 46 win team last season that got better on paper and Rose was one of the most respected players in the NBA during his career. I disagreed. If it was some random or other poster I wouldn’t have said anything, but I generally respect your comments.
Dave,
It’s hard to say that the Bucks weren’t underachieving up till this point. TS% was just one example… and 70+ point swings are not close IMO. Obviously this was just a ridiculous game, but I absolutely think the Bucks are a disappointment if they aren’t in the playoffs. They had a pretty young team that made the playoffs. They added Maggette. They added Salmons mid-season last season. And the guys they lost were mostly inconsequential, old, or had fluke seasons…
Thanks, honorable!
I don’t really understand why no one moves off the ball. They just stand around. Clearly it’s the plan. I don’t get it. There is no Steve Nash on this team, stop standing around waiting for him to pass the ball. They are so easy to defend because it’s all iso or two man, with everyone else standing there. Bring Gallo off some screens… do SOMETHING.
If this Knicks team wants to keep me believing in them and giving me the slightest of hope that this team is different than the past few years, they MUST not only win tomorrow but they should win their next 2 games too (at Minny, home vs Houston) before their west coast trip next week. 6-4 by end of week will make me forget these past 2 games.
Well the Knicks are 3-4 after playing 3 home games and 4 road games, so I guess from a distance you’d say that’s where they’re supposed to be. But there are some really disturbing trends which you’ve all pointed out; I just did a flying leap off the Raymond and Toney bandwagon and landed on my head!
And MAJOR props to the Jazz for hanging in that game and taking it in OT. F— Miami thrice!
@186– don’t forget Golden State tomorrow.
Yeah Z I know, thats why I said they better win tomorrow plus hopefully both games this weekend. 5-5 at worst by the end of the week.
That’s two straight poor defensive games for Douglas- He has to realize that he needs to pick his spots to pressure the ball- while constant aggression is great against guys who aren’t terrific ball handlers, guys who have a handle and are reasonably quick will turn it against you.
Agree that D’Antoni’s laissez-faire approach to offense isn’t helping Gallo- it’s been a year and half and it’s pretty obvious moving without the ball just isn’t part of his game so set the guy some screens besides the little hand-off play he runs with Amare at times. Coming into the season my greatest concerns were rebounding (where I’ve been pleasantly surprised) and playmaking- especially from the wing players. Fields, Gallo, Chandler, and Walker are all posting single digit assist %s. Gallo and especially Chandler aren’t even particularly good at swinging the ball around the perimeter- Fields may not be generating any assists but at least he does this well- the ball does not stick in his hands. And Douglas (as someone mentioned above) is basically Nate redux (albeit with the potential to much better defensively) not a real positive when you’re looking for ball movement. D’Antoni doesn’t call for a whole lot of screens off of the ball and they’ve got guys who tend to stand around a lot so they have to get the ball moving quicker from side to side. Tough to do when your second best passer is Ronny Turiaf.
Love’s got 8 offensive rebounds at halftime. Dude makes David Lee look like Amar’e.
I was having a bit of fun last night. Malik had a nice career, but those last 4 + years with the Knicks were some of the worst Knick years of my life. :)
He was a bit player, not particularly effective, and a bench warmer on a team of mediocre to bad talent. And to remind you of my quote, I said:
It seems unbelievably surreal to listen to Malik Rose criticizing this Knicks team’s play.
Malik Rose?
It only gets worse if it was like Eddy Curry talking smack about the Knicks defense right now.
So you see, in my original comment the comparison showed Curry to be the lesser. You may argue that I was unfair to Mr. Rose, but I was merely being glib. Malik did have some good years off the bench with SAS, but by the time he was a Knicks player, those years were distant memories.
As for the Bucks, as I noted earlier, they are a good team not withstanding their season to the point of last night. They were a team struggling to average better than 90 points in seven games, and they show up playing the 8th ranked defense thus far this year, and suddenly they are unconscious.
Challenge away, I deserve it, probably require it.
But I was having a bit of fun last night probably as a way to cope with the disappointment I felt.
You’ll remember I wrote recently that after the win against the Bulls, I was prepped for a let down ala the past 10 years. Then they won another impressive game and I let my guard down. Now they have dropped two in a row to teams I believe they should beat and I’m feeling a bit like it’s the same old uneven Knicks.
It was a moment of weakness on my part, so I decided to entertain/distract myself by having some fun on the blog.
One thing is clear, the NBA has noticed the Knicks and they are adjusting. It’s up to the coach and the players to adapt. The success or failure of the season will depend on how the Knicks apply countermeasures.