2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bucks

March 20th, 2011 by | @KnickerBlogger | Comments | Permalink |

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227 Responses to “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bucks”

  1. 1
    jon abbey says:

    Shelden Williams starting today.

    also, if NY loses this one, I will not make another first comment on a game thread this season.

  2. 2
    Darrell H. says:

    Melo pouting or storming… 50/50?

  3. 3
    ess-dog says:

    Shelden starts? Smacks of desperation, even though I like it… Just hope the real Chauncey shows up.

  4. 4
    ess-dog says:

    Oh and the Knuggets lost to the Magic AND the Heat – ha ha HA! Guess they’re NOT so great after all.

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    Robert Silverman says:

    Yikes – Shelden’s starting? For reals?

    I mean, I get the “Jared Jeffries can’t hang w/Bogut – get a big body in there” idea, but didn’t JJ just do a solid job on Zach Randolph/Gasol the Younger?

    Didn’t see that coming.

  6. 6
    Robert Silverman says:

    ess-dog: Oh and the Knuggets lost to the Magic AND the Heat – ha ha HA!Guess they’re NOT so great after all.  

    That Gallinari fellow looked pretty good, though. Wonder if Denver can package him in a trade for a “star.”

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    d-mar says:

    ess-dog: Shelden starts?Smacks of desperation, even though I like it…Just hope the real Chauncey shows up.  

    You’d think Chauncey would be motivated after having what I would guess was one of the worst games of his distinguished career. It seemed like every one of those 8 turnovers was not the result of great defense but just plain horrible decision making.

  8. 8
    BigBlueAL says:

    Robert Silverman:
    That Gallinari fellow looked pretty good, though. Wonder if Denver can package him in a trade for a “star.”  

    Nuggets are 1-3 when Gallo plays, he is bad for team chemistry!!!

    One thing I will say about Gallo is that his ability to get to the FT line is becoming amazing. He scored 40 pts in the 2 games combined and 21 of them came from the FT line. Next step for him I assume is to start doing something other than scoring. He grabbed 8 rebs and had only 2 asts in the 2 games combined (almost 60 mins of play). I know all this because he is still on my fantasy team lol.

  9. 9
    marxster says:

    Interested to see how Melodrama 2.0 plays out.

  10. 10
    BigBlueAL says:

    First play of the game and Fields lets Salmons blow by him for a layup.

  11. 11
    Robert Silverman says:

    Anyone got a good link to watch the game?

  12. 12
    hoolahoop says:

    ess-dog: Oh and the Knuggets lost to the Magic AND the Heat – ha ha HA!Guess they’re NOT so great after all.  

    They kept stormin back against the Heat and lost to Orlando in the last few seconds. They’re an athletic team, play decent defense and move the ball. I’d love to see the knicks do that.
    When Denver loses it doesn’t make the knicks better.

  13. 13
    BigBlueAL says:

    Great start.

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  15. 15
    Doug says:

    Shelden seems like he’s doing a good job of fighting Bogut for post position.

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    citizen says:

    Well, at least they’re pretty active on the o-glass

  17. 17
    BigBlueAL says:

    Of course Milwaukee starts out hitting every jumper they take.

  18. 18
    BigBlueAL says:

    WTF is Fields doing.

  19. 19
    BigBlueAL says:

    The good thing is Knicks could lose rest of their games and still make the playoffs. I think.

  20. 20
    Doug says:

    close out Delfino seriously

  21. 21
    Robert Silverman says:

    Thanks Doug – got it. Though given how colossally awful they look, I’m not sure I want to watch

  22. 22
    d-mar says:

    Great start, Knicks look really sharp so far (does it count as an air ball when you hit only glass?)

  23. 23
    d-mar says:

    Between Delfino and Shelden Williams you have 2 of the more bizarre looking dudes in the NBA.

  24. 24
    Doug says:

    Robert Silverman: Thanks Doug – got it. Though given how colossally awful they look, I’m not sure I want to watch  

    np, firstrowsports.eu is my regular hookup.

  25. 25
    BigBlueAL says:

    Apparently Spree is at the game sitting courtside. Knicks could use him right now.

  26. 26
    Robert Silverman says:

    Watching Stoudamire look the other way while Delfino went by him was painful.

  27. 27
    citizen says:

    Wasn’t that Melo?

  28. 28
    Doug says:

    Jennings leads Milwaukee with 15.6 points per game?

  29. 29
    Doug says:

    OK, Bucks are making circus shots now.

  30. 30
    JK47 says:

    Um, the ship be sinking?

  31. 31
    Jim Cavan says:

    Robert Silverman: Watching Stoudamire look the other way while Delfino went by him was painful.  

    It’s one thing to never have been taught how to move your feet. But to not know where the ball is and provide absolutely no help defense is just inexcusable.

  32. 32
    Robert Silverman says:

    This is making the Detroit game look good by comparison. No movement. No D. No hustle.

  33. 33
    Jim Cavan says:

    Melo’s smiling. Class act.

  34. 34
    d-mar says:

    Time to shut off the TV and go outside and enjoy the day. This is a total embarrassment.

  35. 35
    JK47 says:

    This looks like somebody’s first time playing NBA2K11 and they have the difficulty set to “All-Star.”

  36. 36
    Doug says:

    Fun facts: The hot bartender in the Miller Lite “European man-thong” commercial? David Lee’s fiance!

  37. 37
    Robert Silverman says:

    I mean, not to go overboard but – they look like the worst team in the league.

  38. 38
    bouncerpr says:

    Please Fire Mike Dantoni!!! Please!!!!

  39. 39
    Doug says:

    Robert Silverman: This is making the Detroit game look good by comparison. No movement. No D. No hustle.  

    This is like that first Bucks game from the beginning of the season. The similarity is uncanny.

  40. 40
    JK47 says:

    This is making me miss the glory days of Shandon Anderson and Othella Harrington.

  41. 41
    Robert Silverman says:

    Hey, I got an idea. Since we’re down 20 in the first, let’s take worse shots. Couldn’t hurt, right?

  42. 42
    Kikuchiyo says:

    I know most people are watching the NCAA’s, but this “Milwaukee” team looks like they will sweep right through the NIT’s. Of course, they only have to beat a bunch of lousy teams.

  43. 43
    Doug says:

    The Bucks’ discipline makes a disorganized team like New York’s look absolutely terrible. They made us look bad when Amar’e and Felton were trying to figure out the pick and roll, and they’re making us look bad with this new-look Knicks team.

  44. 44
    Doug says:

    I’ll remind everyone that we were saying the same things during the first Bucks game.

  45. 45
    Max says:

    End of fitst period, Bucks up 32-9. The italian broadcaster just called the Knicks game “unworthy exbition”. I hope they’ll get better because this is the worst I have seen the Knicks since the 50 points loss to Dallas… Carmelo = Marbury 2.0? Just asking…

  46. 46
    Robert Silverman says:

    Is NINE points an all-time shot clock low for the Nix? I think it might be.

  47. 47
    BigBlueAL says:

    I think D’Antoni wants to get fired.

  48. 48
    d-mar says:

    Good tuneup for the Celtic game tomorrow, we should be feeling good about ourselves.

  49. 49
    Doug says:

    For comparison’s sake, in the November 9th Bucks game the score was 41-19 after the first quarter.

  50. 50
    JK47 says:

    If they don’t battle back and at least make a game of this, I think it’s pretty fair to label them as a heartless, soulless team that just doesn’t give a crap.

  51. 51
    BigBlueAL says:

    JK47: If they don’t battle back and at least make a game of this, I think it’s pretty fair to label them as a heartless, soulless team that just doesn’t give a crap.  

    Im sure they will get it down to single-digits before losing.

  52. 52
    Robert Silverman says:

    Hands up on D guys. Just sayin’

  53. 53
    BigBlueAL says:

    Amazing how bad shooting is so contagious.

  54. 54
    citizen says:

    Is Bill Walker injured, or has Mason (!?) really overtaken him in the rotation?

  55. 55
    Jim Cavan says:

    Say what you will about TD and Extra E’s streakiness — at least they bring it every night.

  56. 56
    BigBlueAL says:

    citizen: Is Bill Walker injured, or has Mason (!?) really overtaken him in the rotation?  

    To be fair Mason has been shooting good lately. Last 3 games 7 for 12 overall, 4 for 8 from 3pt range. He also looks like he is a better defender than Walker.

  57. 57
    Doug says:

    If you guys would like something to take your mind off this game, search youtube for “Transformer Costume.”

  58. 58
    Max says:

    BigBlueAL: I think D’Antoni wants to get fired.  

    I agree. He didn’t want the trade (I mean not on that terms), Carmelo already talked trash about him and his system, he’s losing control of the team. I don’t know if the money in his contract his guaranteed :-)

  59. 59
    KnickInSeattle says:

    Wtf? On the road not watching…

  60. 60
    BigBlueAL says:

    TD 1 for 8 so far. Last Sunday he shot 1 for 12. TD doesnt like Sundays apparently.

  61. 61
    Robert Silverman says:

    Slightly better!

  62. 62
    Robert Silverman says:

    Max: BigBlueAL: I think D’Antoni wants to get fired.  I agree. He didn’t want the trade (I mean not on that terms), Carmelo already talked trash about him and his system, he’s losing control of the team. I don’t know if the money in his contract his guaranteed :-)  

    He’s not TRYING to get fired. C’mon

  63. 63
    BigBlueAL says:

    Robert Silverman:
    He’s not TRYING to get fired. C’mon  

    Robert, I was obviously being sarcastic :-)

  64. 64
    Jim Cavan says:

    Ummm…. I miss Felton?

  65. 65
    Robert Silverman says:

    BigBlueAL:
    Robert, I was obviously being sarcastic :-)  

    Sorry Al – Awful shot selection leaves me crabby.

  66. 66
    Jake S. says:

    I miss Felton too. I want my fun basketball team back. What the hell happened here?

  67. 67
    Doug says:

    WTF is Chauncey doing moving away from Amar’e trying to pass out of the double team?

  68. 68
    Jake S. says:

    You stay classy, Melo.

  69. 69
    Max says:

    Robert Silverman:
    Sorry Al – Awful shot selection leaves me crabby.  

    What’s worse, shot selection o D? :-)

  70. 70
    Doug says:

    Jake S.: I miss Felton too. I want my fun basketball team back. What the hell happened here?  

    That basketball was fun until the threes stopped falling and Ray couldn’t shoot out of the pick and roll. It didn’t feel as bad when that happened because of lower expectations for a younger team.

  71. 71
    Jake S. says:

    Whatever you want to call it Doug, I want my illusion of happiness and contentment.

  72. 72
    BigBlueAL says:

    Like I said, they will get it down to single digits. Didnt think it could happen in the 2nd quarter though.

  73. 73
    Doug says:

    Jake S.: Whatever you want to call it Doug, I want my illusion of happiness and contentment.  

    OK, a Magician Named GOB ;)

  74. 74
    Robert Silverman says:

    Doug:
    OK, a Magician Named GOB ;)  

    COME ON!

  75. 75
    Spree8nyk8 says:

    Jake S.: Whatever you want to call it Doug, I want my illusion of happiness and contentment.  

    I’m pretty sure the Nuggets have a similar board to this one. Good luck man!

  76. 76
    Max says:

    We’re in full comeback mode, we’re going to win this. :-) Did someone watch Faried yesterday?

  77. 77
    Robert Silverman says:

    Doug:
    OK, a Magician Named GOB ;)  

    Donnie Walsh (channeling GOB), “I’ve made a huge mistake.”

  78. 78
    citizen says:

    Jesus lead is 6

  79. 79
    Jim Cavan says:

    This has to be one of the weirdest teams in NBA history.

  80. 80
    Doug says:

    LOL Bucks color guy: “New game. Black Hole Bucks. Second quarter.”

  81. 81
    Spree8nyk8 says:

    Jim Cavan: This has to be one of the weirdest teams in NBA history.  

    Now THAT comment I can get on board with lol

  82. 82
    Jake S. says:

    Donnie Walsh (channeling GOB), “I’ve made a huge mistake.”

    Isn’t that Jeffrey Tambor?

  83. 83
    Doug says:

    Jim Cavan: This has to be one of the weirdest teams in NBA history.  

    See, the old Knicks team would have stayed behind by 15 points the rest of the game, but they would have been more fun to watch and easier to root for ^_^

  84. 84
    Jake S. says:

    Are Chauncey Billups’ legs too short for his torso, or is his torso too long for his legs? Something is off there.

  85. 85
    Doug says:

    Max: We’re in full comeback mode, we’re going to win this. :-) Did someone watch Faried yesterday?  

    I sure did. I am a charter member of the Draft Kenneth Faried bandwagon.

  86. 86
    Robert Silverman says:

    Jake S.: Tambor? Jake S.

    (Quote)

    Everyone on the show says it at one point — genius. And that shot shouldn’t count

  87. 87
    BigBlueAL says:

    Salmons is having one of his worst shooting seasons of his career yet today is making fadeaways and pull-up jumpers in people faces like nothing.

  88. 88
    Robert Silverman says:

    Doug:
    I sure did. I am a charter member of the Draft Kenneth Faried bandwagon.  

    I’m Rabbi-In-Chief.

  89. 89
    Doug says:

    Robert Silverman:
    Donnie Walsh (channeling GOB), “I’ve made a huge mistake.”  

    “I really don’t appreciate James Dolan’s attempts to sirsumvent my authority.” – Donnie Walsh.

  90. 90
    Doug says:

    Robert Silverman:
    I’m Rabbi-In-Chief.  

    I appoint myself Treasurer.

  91. 91
    Doug says:

    Guys, I’m a huge fan of that deep-voiced guy who does the halftime highlights for NBA TV. He is always super chill.

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  93. 93
    Jake S. says:

    Thanks, Spree. As long as we’re all thoroughly miserable.

  94. 94
    Max says:

    Doug:
    I appoint myself Treasurer.  

    Do you think he could be available with our pick?

  95. 95
    Doug says:

    Max:
    Do you think he could be available with our pick?  

    It’s entirely possible. Morehead did upset Louisville, but they were out one game later. Richmond made him less effective with transition offense. Faried’s offensive game is also not developed at all.

  96. 96
    JK47 says:

    Sign me up for a “Draft Faried” membership.

    And let’s give our ‘Bockers some credit for fighting their way back into this one with a 32-15 second quarter. Maybe in the second half we’ll get Toney “Second Coming of Reggie Miller” Douglas instead of Toney “Starks Game 7″ Douglas.

  97. 97
    Jake S. says:

    Is it at all conceivable that the Knicks could decline Chauncey’s option, then extend him on a more modest deal (like 4 years/28 million)? Then they’d have an extra 7 or so mill to drop on a Samuel Dalembert-type center. Throw in Faried and you’ve got a team.

  98. 98
    Robert Silverman says:

    Max:
    Do you think he could be available with our pick?  

    He’s an undersized 4, though a historically good rebounder. Guys like that are normally available post-lottery (think Millsap, Blair, etc.) but considering this draft is being pretty universally panned, a player w/a high floor/low ceiling like Faried (he’s not going to be Rodman 2.0 but at worst will be Jerome Williams) could go earlier than expected. Depends on workouts/measurements etc.

  99. 99
    Max says:

    Doug:
    It’s entirely possible. Morehead did upset Louisville, but they were out one game later. Richmond made him less effective with transition offense. Faried’s offensive game is also not developed at all.  

    Yes but we’re accustomed to Jared Jeffries! :-)

    Faried reminds me something of Rodman or Ben Wallace…

  100. 100
    Doug says:

    Robert Silverman:
    Everyone on the show says it at one point — genius. And that shot shouldn’t count  

    I’ve made a huge tiny mistake.

  101. 101
    citizen says:

    Stoudemire’s shot selection has been horrible, but he has a +5 for the half (second behind RMJ)

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    Ben R says:

    What about sending our pick to Denver and bringing back Mozgov. He is kind of redundant there with Nene, Andersen and another young prospect center in Koufos. He is at least worth a non-lottery pick in a horrible draft and we know D’Antoni will play him.

    I would love to get Faried but he is not really a D’Antoni guy and he is a PF and cannot really play C so he would be stuck behind Amare in the rotation.

  103. 103
    Doug says:

    Max:
      

    Those are his flaws which I think will knock him out of the top 15, making him fall to us.

  104. 104
    Jake S. says:

    They can’t trade their pick this year because they already dealt their 2012 pick.

  105. 105
    Doug says:

    Ben R:
    I would love to get Faried but he is not really a D’Antoni guy and he is a PF and cannot really play C so he would be stuck behind Amare in the rotation.  

    A month ago, I would have agreed with you and would not have considered Faried, but D’Antoni’s willingness to start Jeffries and now She-Will shows that he’ll put one defensive guy on the floor.

    Put Amar’e at the 5 and Faried will rebound for the both of them :)

  106. 106
    Doug says:

    Chauncey’s back, guys.

  107. 107
    Ben R says:

    Jake S.: They can’t trade their pick this year because they already dealt their 2012 pick.  (Quote)

    You can if you trade it on draft day, make the pick for Denver, or whoever is getting the pick and then immediately trading the rights of that player.

  108. 108
    Jake S. says:

    Way to go, Doug.

  109. 109
    max fisher-cohen says:

    I missed the first half, but the knicks look good now. Good rebounding, leading to early and easy offense, excellent passing, slightly below average defense (all we can expect).

  110. 110
    Doug says:

    I think I’ve jinxed Chauncey.

  111. 111
    Jake S. says:

    Didn’t know that. Huh. I liked Timo, but I think it would be worth rolling the dice with Faried if he’s still available. They need rebounding. Not one of Mozgov’s strong suits.

  112. 112
    Robert Silverman says:

    If they ever make the movie: “The Scott Skiles Story,” I really hope they cast Zeljko Ivanek in the lead:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0411964/

  113. 113
    Doug says:

    I’ve made a huge mistake.

  114. 114
    max fisher-cohen says:

    this team sure does have an affection for fouling.

  115. 115
    Jake S. says:

    Are the Knicks keeping Rautins on the roster so he can do the Andy and Landry show?

  116. 116
    Ben R says:

    I like Faried alot but don’t you guys think he might be a very similar player to Sheldon. He is a great rebounder and defender at the 4 with a limited offensive game. Sheldon wasn’t quite as good as a rebounder as Faried in college but was close and was a much better defender and a little bit better offensively.

    We need to get a 5 or a 1 with our pick because with Melo, Amare and Fields we are set at the 2, 3, and 4. Faried could play the 4 and push Amare to the 5 but I would love us to play a more traditional lineup with a true center so we can at least pretend to be good defensively.

  117. 117
    citizen says:

    If they don’t pick up the Chauncey option then (assuming they use the money to get a 5) they would definitely need to draft a 1

  118. 118
    Robert Silverman says:

    citizen: If they don’t pick up the Chauncey option then (assuming they use the money to get a 5) they would definitely need to draft a 1  

    They’re picking up Billups’ option.

  119. 119
    Max says:

    citizen: If they don’t pick up the Chauncey option then (assuming they use the money to get a 5) they would definitely need to draft a 1  

    Imagine Walsh draft Washington’s Isaiah Thomas :-) LOL

  120. 120
    Kikuchiyo says:

    Max:
    Imagine Walsh draft Washington’s Isaiah Thomas :-)LOL  

    Hilarious. Just to avoid the bad karma, he might select the lesser-known Geoff Van Gundy instead.

  121. 121
    BigBlueAL says:

    You have gotta be kidding me with Mba a Moute hitting a freaking hook shot on 2 guys to beat the 3rd quarter buzzer.

  122. 122
    Doug says:

    Max:
    Imagine Walsh draft Washington’s Isaiah Thomas :-)LOL  

    A guy 5’9 like Nate, went to UW like Nate, wears Nate’s number at UW, and is named Isaiah Thomas.

  123. 123
    Doug says:

    BigBlueAL: You have gotta be kidding me with Mba a Moute hitting a freaking hook shot on 2 guys to beat the 3rd quarter buzzer.  

    Mbah a Moute has 11/11 FT. It’s a weird game.

  124. 124
    d-mar says:

    BigBlueAL: Salmons is having one of his worst shooting seasons of his career yet today is making fadeaways and pull-up jumpers in people faces like nothing.  

    Salmons always looks like the second coming of Paul Pierce when he plays against the Knicks

  125. 125
    Robert Silverman says:

    BigBlueAL: You have gotta be kidding me with Mba a Moute hitting a freaking hook shot on 2 guys to beat the 3rd quarter buzzer.  

    And he’s gone 11-11 from the line. He’s a 68% shooter on FT’s.

  126. 126
    Max says:

    Doug:
    A guy 5’9 like Nate, went to UW like Nate, wears Nate’s number at UW, and is named Isaiah Thomas.  

    But he’s lefty, that change everything! :D

  127. 127
    Doug says:

    Bucks fans singing the Jeopardy song. lol

  128. 128
    Jim Cavan says:

    Has that spin move by Stat ever worked?

  129. 129
    d-mar says:

    I generally like Breen as an announcer, but when the Bucks miss a 3 pointer and the ball caroms almost to the 3 point line directly to a Bucks player and he says “right now the Knicks are just being outhustled” that’s just stupid.

  130. 130
    Jake S. says:

    How many times is STAT going to make the same horrible move? His dribble may be worse than Ewing’s.

  131. 131
    art vandelay says:

    I would almost venture to say TD’s FG% on 2′s might be worse than on 3′s….sheesh his mid-range game is awful.

  132. 132
    art vandelay says:

    STAT handles the ball better than Ewing did…I will give him that….Ewing had terrible hands if you recall as well, whereas STAT is pretty proficient at catching the ball in a crowd.

  133. 133
    Robert Silverman says:

    Jake S.: How many times is STAT going to make the same horrible move? His dribble may be worse than Ewing’s.  

    Difference is, Ewing really didn’t dribble. He did the travel-move where he took three steps into the lane or a series of turnaround/step-back/fadeaway shots

  134. 134
    max fisher-cohen says:

    That quarter was all about Bogut. The bucks have no offense without him.

    Ben R: I like Faried alot but don’t you guys think he might be a very similar player to Sheldon. He is a great rebounder and defender at the 4 with a limited offensive game. Sheldon wasn’t quite as good as a rebounder as Faried in college but was close and was a much better defender and a little bit better offensively.We need to get a 5 or a 1 with our pick because with Melo, Amare and Fields we are set at the 2, 3, and 4. Faried could play the 4 and push Amare to the 5 but I would love us to play a more traditional lineup with a true center so we can at least pretend to be good defensively.  

    I’d love to draft a 5, but there are no fives in the tournament that are projected to go near where the knicks are drafting. The difference between Sheldon and Faried — Faried is smaller but far more athletic. Sheldon is not an above the floor player but seems to have a bit more range.

    Marcus and Markieff Morris are both projected in the late teens/early 20s, but they are both, at best, stretch 5s.

    Then there are internationals –

    Jonas Valunciunas who projected at 2 on draftexpress and 16 on nbadraft.net

    and

    Bismack Biyombo who is projected at 21 on draftexpress and not in nbadraft.net’s top 60.

    Both are 18. Both have awesome names. That’s about all I can say about either though.

  135. 135
    Jake S. says:

    That pass…

  136. 136
    art vandelay says:

    ….was the worst in the history of the NBA?

  137. 137
    Jim Cavan says:

    Congratulations Carlo Delfino, the latest inductee into the Knicks’ Middling Opponents Hall of Fame.

  138. 138
    Jake S. says:

    I’m really starting to hate Melo’s smirk.

  139. 139
    Mike R says:

    this is so ugly

  140. 140
    cgreene says:

    Like Chauncey. He’s not nearly as good a passer as Raymond Felton is right now.

  141. 141
    Robert Silverman says:

    Not getting the calls AT ALL

  142. 142
    Spree8nyk8 says:

    Jake S. troll post in

    3

    2

    1

    …..

  143. 143
    citizen says:

    FT:
    Billups: 7/10
    Mbah a Moute: 13/13
    !?

  144. 144
    Jake S. says:

    What does Ronny Turiaf do at this point?

  145. 145
    Jake S. says:

    I had to oblige, Spree.

  146. 146
    Robert Silverman says:

    Jake S.: What does Ronny Turiaf do at this point?  

    He’s playing good post D on Bogut.

  147. 147
    max fisher-cohen says:

    the bucks might be the anti knicks. They are just as inconsistent — beating good teams, losing to good teams. They have the opposite problem though. Their offense is nonexistent sometimes, whereas the knicks’ defense is nonexistent sometimes.

  148. 148
    Spree8nyk8 says:

    I’m tellin ya man you’d be so much happier fanning another team. I mean you’re not really a fan anyway so what’s stopping you?

  149. 149
    max fisher-cohen says:

    *losing to bad teams

  150. 150
    CapB says:

    That was a BS offensive foul on Melo btw. Besides the first quarter the Knicks have played pretty well but just cant get over the hump.

  151. 151
    Mike R says:

    del fino was an all-star right?

  152. 152
    Spree8nyk8 says:

    Dagger :(

  153. 153
    Kikuchiyo says:

    Ow. Painful. Eesh. Darn. Drat. Oh my! Lordy! Cripes. Hell. Rats. Nuts. Dangit.

  154. 154
    CapB says:

    So thinks we turn around and beat the Celtics tomorrow night

  155. 155
    bouncerpr says:

    I don’t like being a fan of this team any more…..

  156. 156
    Jim Cavan says:

    Its official: career high for Delfino.

  157. 157
    Jake S. says:

    I’m watching the Knicks on a sunny, Sunday afternoon while complaining about them on blog. Clearly, I’m not a fan.

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    Kikuchiyo says:

    Heavens to Betsy!

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    Frank O. says:

    Is it me or is melo seemingly without confidence? I mean, he seems to be playing pretty poorly, tentatively.
    I know his teammates are pissed with his baby act, but his passes are not crisp, his shots seem tentative and his whole demeanor seems less sure.—–

    also, how is it that such shoddy players become stars against the Knicks???

  160. 160
    BigBlueAL says:

    Another loss. Next 2 games vs Boston and Orlando. This is becoming ridiculous.

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    Spree8nyk8 says:

    Jake S.: I’m watching the Knicks on a sunny, Sunday afternoon while complaining about them on blog. Clearly, I’m not a fan.  

    Trolling a board on a sunday does not make you a fan bro.

  162. 162
    cgreene says:

    I feel like the guy who just broke up with an awesome girl because he felt he needed to live a little more before settling down. As soon as he does it and breaks her heart, later that night he knows he made a huge mistake because she was really cool and loved him. And he also knows she will never take him back.

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    Mike R says:

    lol melo would nail that shot

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    Doug says:

    cgreene: I feel like the guy who just broke up with an awesome girl because he felt he needed to live a little more before settling down.As soon as he does it and breaks her heart, later that night he knows he made a huge mistake because she was really cool and loved him.And he also knows she will never take him back.  

    Dude. IT’S JUST BASKETBALL.

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    citizen says:

    well, at least we’ll see if the “good against good teams” theory holds up…

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    JK47 says:

    Well, I guess it’s official: the ship be sinking.

    If we lose the next two games, that’s going to make us 7-10 since the Melo trade. Not fun. Never mind gelling– this team is actually getting worse the more they play together.

  167. 167
    cgreene says:

    Doug:
    Dude. IT’S JUST BASKETBALL.  

    LOL. I know, man. Was just trying to find the appropriate analogy. I am a happily married man. I’m gonna be ok (-:

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    art vandelay says:

    Delfino with a CAREER HIGH 30 points….clearly is a new inductee in the middling NYK opponents’ HOF! congratulations go out to him…

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    Mike R says:

    what the hell was that

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    Doug says:

    JK47: Well, I guess it’s official: the ship be sinking.If we lose the next two games, that’s going to make us 7-10 since the Melo trade.Not fun.Never mind gelling– this team is actually getting worse the more they play together.  

    Hey, we’re riding that sinking ship into the playoffs!

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    BigBlueAL says:

    This team couldnt win the NCAA tourney right now.

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    Doug says:

    It’s probably not wise to spot the Bucks a 20 point cushion before we actually decide to start playing.

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    Doug says:

    BigBlueAL: This team couldnt win the NCAA tourney right now.  

    yeah… no.

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    JK47 says:

    The Bucks also got NOTHING from their bench and managed to beat us. Their bench was 1-6 with 5 rebounds and no assists in a combined 25 minutes. They killed us at the line because we have no concept of how to play defense without fouling everybody. 13 free throws from Luc Mbah Boute whatever his name is? I mean, you can’t stop that dude from scoring without giving him 13 free throws?

    Pretty terrible.

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    Jim Cavan says:

    I really picked the wrong week to go on antibiotics that don’t allow me to drink.

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    Jake S. says:

    Spree. Chill. I’m not the only one complaining and I don’t only complain.

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    Mike R says:

    @166 – i feel like also the more that they play together the worst the team chemistry is getting not just “gelling” but anyone else feel like some of these guys are actually starting to dislike each other personally? I mean they don’t seem to be getting along at all… the element of fun and actually enjoying playing the game has left this team at the moment

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    Thomas B. says:

    jon abbey: Shelden Williams starting today.
    also, if NY loses this one, I will not make another first comment on a game thread this season.  

    I hope you are aware that I will hold you to this. ;-)

    Hey relax everybody. It’s not like we could fall to 8th or worse yet out of the playoffs right?

    Right?!

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    d-mar says:

    art vandelay: Delfino with a CAREER HIGH 30 points….clearly is a new inductee in the middling NYK opponents’ HOF! congratulations go out to him…  

    Either that, or we’re really good at giving middling players tons of confidence and propelling them to greatness – look at what Hansbrough did to the Bulls after he shat all over us.

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    Kikuchiyo says:

    One dominant narrative of the season is that Stoudemire’s departure meant that the Knicks were rising and the Suns were dead. That’s partly true, of course, but take a look again at Phoenix. Nash is at 21 points, 7 boards, and 12 assists today, and the Suns are up to 35-33 for the season.

    Are we sure that Nash didn’t belong in the All-Star game?

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    Max says:

    Doug:
    yeah… no.  

    North Carolina has four, maybe five future NBA players, and a good pair of big men, it’s damn close :-)

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    Robert Silverman says:

    The (we kill the Nix but are ordinary or worse against the rest of the league) All-star lineup’s gotta be:

    Jarret Jack PG
    Dahntay Jones SG
    Carlos Delfino SF
    PF: Take your pick – Hansbrough, Samardo Samuels, Gooden, Taj Gibson, Amir Johnson
    C Chuck Hayes

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    BigBlueAL says:

    Jake S.: Spree. Chill. I’m not the only one complaining and I don’t only complain.  

    Ive been one to complain about the complaining and the trolling that has been going on around here but you know what fuck it, Im done defending this team and giving them the benefit of the doubt they dont deserve anymore.

    I could even care less if they somehow beat Boston tomorrow.

  184. 184
    Jim Cavan says:

    Robert Silverman: The (we kill the Nix but are ordinary or worse against the rest of the league) All-star lineup’s gotta be:Jarret Jack PG
    Dahntay Jones SG
    Carlos Delfino SF
    PF: Take your pick – Hansbrough, Samardo Samuels, Gooden, Taj Gibson, Amir Johnson
    C Chuck Hayes  

    I think you gotta go with guys who did it to us in losses, so Gibson and Johnson are out. Hansbrough’s gotta be the lock. He did it twice.

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    art vandelay says:

    Robert, you left out Randy Foye in your all star club!

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    d-mar says:

    STAT with 28 shot attempts, WAY WAY too many.

    Also, while the Bucks bench sucked (and barely played) ours was not much better – 5-20, 13 total points.

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    Thomas B. says:

    Robert Silverman: The (we kill the Nix but are ordinary or worse against the rest of the league) All-star lineup’s gotta be:Jarret Jack PG
    Dahntay Jones SG
    Carlos Delfino SF
    PF: Take your pick – Hansbrough, Samardo Samuels, Gooden, Taj Gibson, Amir Johnson
    C Chuck Hayes  

    That team couldnt beat the Cavs, but they would sweep the Knicks in a best of well anything.

  188. 188
    Thomas B. says:

    Spree8nyk8: Jake S. troll post in321…..  

    bwahahahahahaha!

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    JK47 says:

    @183

    I’m with you, Al. Right now, as far as I’m concerned, hoolahoop and Cock Jowles are looking pretty much vindicated. The Stat/Melo pairing is looking like a very bad idea considering how poorly both of them play defense. We always heard that Melo is an “average” defender… well, eff that. He’s a BAD defender.

    I’m at the point where they’ll have to prove something to me before I get too excited about them again.

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    Ben R says:

    People calling it how it is is not trolling. Jake S. is not a troll, I would say right now you’re more of a troll Spree because more of your posts are about other people than the Knicks or the games. Let’s stop worrying about other people and focus on the Knicks and the games.

    We are a bad team right now. We could pull it together and be dangerous for the playoffs but right now we are a bad team. We have lost 5 out of 6 with losses against Indiana twice, Milwaukee and Detroit. Whether or not the trade was good or Denver is better doesn’t matter. We are bad, we do not have enough talent past our top 5 players, we have no chemistry and no size. Miami is a thin team without much size and struggled until they realized that they needed to be great defensively to compete. We don’t have the players to be great defensively so I am worried about how we can right this ship.

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    d-mar says:

    Remember when the ESPN guys were saying “no one wants to meet the Knicks in the playoffs”? I think it’s now the opposite, EVERYONE wants to play the Knicks in the playoffs.

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    Jim Cavan says:

    It’s gotten to the point where my anger over the losses immediately subsides in giddy anticipation of how D’Antoni and the players try and frame it afterward. It’s truly fascinating.

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    JK47 says:

    I root for the Knicks, Mets and Raiders. Those three teams are owned by probably the three worst owners in professional sports. I can’t take it anymore. I need to start following Premier League football and pick a winning team just so I don’t lose my mind.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    JK47: @183I’m with you, Al.Right now, as far as I’m concerned, hoolahoop and Cock Jowles are looking pretty much vindicated.The Stat/Melo pairing is looking like a very bad idea considering how poorly both of them play defense.We always heard that Melo is an “average” defender… well, eff that.He’s a BAD defender.I’m at the point where they’ll have to prove something to me before I get too excited about them again.  

    Im just waiting for the off-season. The new CBA will be huge in terms of what moves the Knicks can make in the next 2 years. The draft pick this year also could be huge if they can get a solid rotation player (Knicks dropping to 7th and hopefully the Rockets missing the playoffs helps).

    Biggest thing though is who will be the GM. Consequently will D’Antoni still be here, coach next season (his final year on his contract) as a lame-duck coach or get an extension??

    Im done caring and judging this team during this regular season. Hopefully they give us a competitive series in the playoffs and dont get embarrassed. I was on the bandwagon of this team possibly winning a series but right now I cant in good conscious continue to believe that. Ill just be content that at least I will be watching the Knicks in the playoffs again and come Game 1 of the playoffs this regular season will be long gone from my memory.

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    cgreene says:

    Jim Cavan: It’s gotten to the point where my anger over the losses immediately subsides in giddy anticipation of how D’Antoni and the players try and frame it afterward. It’s truly fascinating.  

    MDA remains very steady in post games for the most part. His demeanor is consistent. Can’t decide whether I think that’s a good thing or a bad thing.

  196. 196
    BigBlueAL says:

    JK47: I root for the Knicks, Mets and Raiders.Those three teams are owned by probably the three worst owners in professional sports.I can’t take it anymore.I need to start following Premier League football and pick a winning team just so I don’t lose my mind.  

    All I have to say is THANK GOD Im a die-hard Yankees fan. lol

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    Jake S. says:

    The (we kill the Nix but are ordinary or worse against the rest of the league) All-star lineup’s gotta be:

    Jarret Jack PG
    Dahntay Jones SG
    Carlos Delfino SF
    PF: Take your pick – Hansbrough, Samardo Samuels, Gooden, Taj Gibson, Amir Johnson
    C Chuck Hayes

    You’re forgetting the immortal Kyle Lowry!

  198. 198
    Jim Cavan says:

    cgreene: MDA remains very steady in post games for the most part. His demeanor is consistent. Can’t decide whether I think that’s a good thing or a bad thing.

    He’s a little too nonchalant for my taste. On a certain level it’s admirable, because I’d have a really hard time not getting a little fired up at this point. But that kind of approach rarely works. Doc Rivers: kind of a hard ass. Greg Popavich: definitely a hard-ass. Phil Jackson: a hard ass in a subtle but effective way. Mike D’Antoni: definitely NOT a hardass.

    It’s obviously unrealistic to expect him to suddenly start calling his guys out, but a little more… I don’t know…. emotion? I don’t think that would hurt.

    Jake S.: You’re forgetting the immortal Kyle Lowry!

    Let’s just say this little team has a very deep bench.

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    max fisher-cohen says:

    Thomas B.:
    I hope you are aware that I will hold you to this. ;-)Hey relax everybody. It’s not like we could fall to 8th or worse yet out of the playoffs right?Right?!  

    The 8th seed team will probably have somewhere between 34-37 wins, so if we can pull 2-3 wins out of the next 14, we should be fine.

    The thing that’s befuddling here is that there’s no consistent trend in terms of opponents that separates wins from losses.

    We lose to good defensive teams (milwaukee), we beat good defensive teams (miami, milwaukee).

    We lose to teams with decent-good bigs (Milwaukee, Orlando), we beat teams with decent-good bigs (Memphis, Utah, New Orleans).

    We lose to teams with quick guards (Dallas [beaubois, terry], milwaukee) and we beat teams with quick guards (memphis, new orleans, miami) (this might be the least of our worries).

    The only consistent trend is that bad teams open a can of whoop-ass on us, and we play excellently against good teams.

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    Brian Cronin says:

    Are we sure that Nash didn’t belong in the All-Star game?

    His omission in favor of D-Will or Westbrook was ridiculous. Yeah, those guys will be better than Nash, but they’re not there yet.

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    hoolahoop says:

    I missed this game, but relived it through all your posts. Glad I was out playing in the sun instead of suffering through this mess.

    I’m wondering when they’re going to hit bottom. Probably the worst thing that can happen now is that they win three games in the first round of playoffs and everyone thinks they righted the ship.

  202. 202
    hoolahoop says:

    When Dantoni signed on I thought it was great. We’d get to see uptempo exciting basketball. What is so friggin hard about passing the ball, playing tough defense, and scrambling for loose balls.

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    jon abbey says:

    Delfino hit 8 3s in the previous game, it’s not like that came out of nowhere.

    I fell asleep late in the first quarter (as opposed to the Knicks who evidently woke up soon after), I don’t think I feel like watching the rest. Billups looked bad again at the start, good to see he showed signs of life later at least.

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    ess-dog says:

    Sheesh glad I missed that one. A look at the boxscore is befuddling though. Did anyone ever consider guarding Delfino today? I mean, he does one thing well, shoot threes. But even still, he really just went nuts from deep (sort of like how TD did the other night against Memphis.) Seems like that was the luck that Milwaukee needed.
    Also, they went to the stripe 15 more times than we did. What happened to all those superstar calls we’re supposed to be getting? Stat with only 3 free throws on 28 shots? That’s ridiculous.
    Also, the Shelden/Jeffries/Turiaf black hole just keeps getting bigger and bigger. We couldn’t find one live big to trade for at the deadline? Anyone? It’s getting to the point where I’d rather just move Landry to PF and call it a day.

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    daJudge says:

    I taped the game because I had my over 50 league today. I know it might sound silly, but I didn’t hate this afternoon’s dance as much as some other’s I’ve witnessed in utter dismay lately. Maybe I’m just glad that I’m still playing. Hey, they fought back and I think we will see a few very decent games and have some fun in the playoffs. I wish I could quantify this for all of you, but I can’t for two reasons: (1) I am not good at it; and (2) there is probably no empirical justification. Just a gut feeling. Come on hoolahoop–I know you have been watching hoops a very long time—me too—let’s start getting fired up. What the hell. It’s like Pascal’s wager for you freaking non- believers. I hope this post doesn’t kill the blog, which is something of which I have a special talent.

  206. 206
    hoolahoop says:

    daJudge: I taped the game because I had my over 50 league today.

    Do you guys play in the city?

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    hoolahoop says:

    daJudge: Come on hoolahoop–I know you have been watching hoops a very long time—me too—let’s start getting fired up.

    For me, losing to weak teams is not the worst of it. A good, hard fought loss can be a great game to watch. I learned basketball the old fashioned way in the days of the ’69 knicks. Move without the ball, hit the open man, and play tough, gritty defense. Some teams still embrace that style. Boston is a perfect example. Even the Jordan era Bulls played great “team” basketball. Watching melo do his iso thing and come up short, porous defense, and generally stupid basketball makes it easier for me to turn off the game and do something else. I love the knicks as a team, my favorite in all sports, but this team, post-trade, has become a lot less fun to watch and root for.

  208. 208
    daJudge says:

    I know exactly what you mean hoolahoop. Same era for me. It’s been tough, but let’s get some spirit. I haven’t lived in the metro area for many years. We play at the Glens Falls YMCA on Sundays in my over 50 league. During we week, we play in the Noon Time Basketball League (“NBA”) at the Y. If you are ever up this way, or anyone else on this blog, drop me a line a you are very welcome to play in either of these leagues as a guest. No kidding around. Great guys, great hoop. Go Knicks.

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    JK47 says:

    Now my beloved Orangemen are gonna lose.

    I hate this stupid sport.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    JK47: Now my beloved Orangemen are gonna lose.I hate this stupid sport.  

    It’s Melo’s fault.

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    Nick C. says:

    JK47: Now my beloved Orangemen are gonna lose.I hate this stupid sport.  

    you’re not alone. :-(

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    hoolahoop says:

    daJudge: We play at the Glens Falls YMCA on Sundays in my over 50 league. During we week, we play in the Noon Time Basketball League (“NBA”) at the Y. If you are ever up this way, or anyone else on this blog, drop me a line a you are very welcome to play in either of these leagues as a guest. No kidding around. Great guys, great hoop.

    Thanks much. That’s a great offer, but too far north for me.

  213. 213
    BigBlueAL says:

    Glens Falls, home of “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan!!

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    Will the Thrill says:

    On another note, Gallo is looking solid in his first 2 games back from his injury. Just imagine if he was hitting his shots like he was last year..

  215. 215
    Doug says:

    BigBlueAL: Glens Falls, home of “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan!!  

    USA USA USA

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    CRJoe says:

    Damn… I was gonna come with my usual negativity and pessimistic statistics and you guys got all brotherhood and friendly… I just can’t ruin that spirit… Go Metro area baskeball tourney!!!

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    BigBlueAL says:

    BigBlueAL: Glens Falls, home of “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan!!  

    Doug:
    USA USA USA  

    Hoooooo!!

  218. 218
    massive says:

    I’m sick of these guys losing to suckish teams. They need to figure this mess out now, and Roger Mason needs to return to the bench. We can’t expect to go anywhere with Mason and Jeffries as rotation players. The bench is atrocious past Douglas, Turiaf, and Extra E, so Mike D’Antoni needs to shorten that rotation. He wouldn’t play more than 8 players a game when we had a better bench. Now he’s playing 10 players with a terrible bench? That makes no sense.

    How is it that we can punish Atlanta and Memphis, but have problems with the Central Division? This team is extremely frustrating right now.

  219. 219
    Brian Cronin says:

    On another note, Gallo is looking solid in his first 2 games back from his injury. Just imagine if he was hitting his shots like he was last year..

    Hilariously, they’re now 1-3 in games Gallo has played, and 0-3 in games he’s played well! Granted, the last two losses were close losses to two very good teams on the road, but still, it’s pretty funny.

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    tenebrous says:

    I liked: M&m, Tut, jef, billups.

    I alps liked: Am, Jef, Tut, Feilds, Td

    I say get Cusins on this team.

    Couldn’t believe they lost but am extremely happy they did not get blown out. Didn’t we lose to milwukee like 6 out of the last 6 years.

  221. 221
    tenebrous says:

    M&m should realize that they are great for the Knicks. They get their defenders to stay with them at all times. This should let the other three score: billups, td, fields, mason & extra e. That’s all we have.

    Saw the replay: if they were a little more disceplent they could have won this game. They didn’t and I’m not sure they can pull off a win vs celtics or Orlando. Looks like you guys are getting a leg up in discussing the draft. Could be a nice vacation for this team but obviously not for the fans. Extra e is the most consistent (Amare is sencond) since the trade.

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    tenebrous says:

    Turi plays better with a taller bigman next to him aka jef. Out best lineup could be jef turi M&M and billups – good D great O.

    Not sure I would want to see MD go. MD is a fighter and sticks up for this club.

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    Eazy B says:

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/mar/21/griz-z-bo-nearing-deal/

    At least this is potentially good news – I keep hearing that it would be difficult for the grizzlies to keep Randolph and Gasol next year. Could we field a large enough offer to prevent Memphis from re-signing him?

  224. 224
    max fisher-cohen says:

    that’s crazy that they’re thinking of extending randolph now. I still think it would be hard for any team to pry gasol free. Let’s say they give Randolph $11 million/year. That still leaves them with about $14 million in cap space this summer assuming a $60m cap. Even if we don’t take Billups’ option and Turiaf opts out (highly unlikely IMO), we still only have about $12 million in cap space. I suppose it’s possible that Memphis doesn’t match.

    I think we should go for Hammed Haddadi. He’s 7-2, 25 years old, and averaging 10 points, 3.7 blocks, and 15.7 rebounds per 36 minutes this season. He’s also averaging 6.2 fouls/36, but when you don’t have much to spend, you can’t be picky.

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    hoolahoop says:

    Now that Philadephia has passed the knicks in the standings they’re gunning for Atlanta. Since they have a legitimate big, Brand, they probably feel they can beat Orlando, and get into the second round. What an achievement that would be!
    Over achieving vs under achieving. Dolan, the numbskull, aside, at some point you have to look at the team Donnie Walsh put together, and Dantoni’s ability to get the most out of them. I like Dantoni and don’t want to see him go, but let’s face it, at some point something needs to change, considering of course, the malassembled, overrated superstars are not going anywhere.

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    Nick C. says:

    I’d like to see how this plays out (as if I have a choice), but having listened to years of the Smiling Weasel throw out the same excuses for his assemblages failures I get a sickening sense of deja vu.

  227. 227
    hoolahoop says:

    Who’s the Smiling Weasel?