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Friday, July 25, 2014

2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bobcats

For your in-post game thoughts.

Update: Just made the 90 minute trek back to Columbia, SC from the arena in Charlotte. A handful of random thoughts. I suspect that most of these have been covered to some degree in the comments but I’m too tired to look through them right now :)

1. Tough night for Gallo — 2 of 9 and a -6. He got to the line and hit the boards, but this was definitely a night when his “move without the ball!” critics got an eyeful. During more than one key fourth quarter possession, the other four Knicks were in motion throughout while Gallo stood almost completely still in the corner. He matched up on Stephen Jackson for much of the evening, and Jackson was noticeably physical with him. On the flip side, Gallo (with a little help from his friends) forced Jackson into a difficult shooting (7-20) night. But then again, his huge turnover in the 4th and subsequent failure to close out on DJ Augustin late–which he then compounded by failing to keep him from chasing down a miss and laying it in–made D’Antoni about as mad as I’ve ever seen him. I don’t chalk this up to anything more than a tough night against a difficult matchup. It doesn’t diminish his recent play, which has been fantastic.

2. Felton — It’s difficult to imagine that he could have started the season shooting much better from the field (.591 TS, not counting tonight’s 9-18), and I can’t even remember when the Knicks were a competent fast breaking team. Trading off some pick and roll prowess for better run breaks may not be so horrible. BUT… when Felton’s shooting starts to come back to earth a bit (he’s a career .497 TS) it’d be nice if ol’ Raymond has started throwing bounce passes that come up more than six inches off the floor. It’s like he puts topspin on those things.

3. Fields — 3-5, 10 boards, 2 steals. YAWN. Moving on. Nothing to see here. His two turnovers were both charges, and both calls seemed a tad ticky tack.

4. Ill Will — He had a nice night behind the arc. I was definitely thinking, “No. No. No…. Yes!” on at least three of his makes.

5. The Bench — We outscored them 37-18. Charlotte’s bench is awful. It makes sense that D’Antoni is settling on his rotation. I have no issue with that fundamentally, but I was a little surprised that Randolph couldn’t get in this game based on matchups with Charlotte’s thin bench. Mozgov was a +10 tonight. So I can’t complain. But Charlotte’s +9 on the boards helped them climb back into the game. Randolph could have helped with that.

All in all though, no win is too small to keep and anytime you win a back-to-back against the same team it’s no small feat.

Happy Thanksgiving Gang!

164 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bobcats

  1. BigBlueAL

    I HATE how easily the Knick perimeter defenders just give up the baseline so easily. I could drive by them and Im slow as shit.

  2. Robert Silverman

    BigBlueAL: I HATE how easily the Knick perimeter defenders just give up the baseline so easily. I could drive by them and Im slow as shit.  

    I concur. Except I’m even slower — I probably still couldn’t get past ‘em

  3. BigBlueAL

    Cant complain with Knicks only down 1 after the 1st quarter since to me they didnt play well at all to start the game. Good sign hopefully for rest of the game if the Knicks can pick it up.

  4. BigBlueAL

    Yeah Robert me too, Im just a spot-up shooter. Also if I did get by them I would definitely get my shot swatted into the stands.

  5. Robert Silverman

    BigBlueAL: Yeah Robert me too, Im just a spot-up shooter.Also if I did get by them I would definitely get my shot swatted into the stands.  

    My “game” as it were, consists of spot-up shooting, and some excessive fouling in the lane.

    I’m kinda like Mozgov! (a 5’9″ Mozgov)

  6. Spree8nyk8

    McGuire just got away with a flagrant offensive elbow on his drive to the basket….Guess we are on the road tonite….

  7. Robert Silverman

    Those things at the end of your wrists are called, “Hands,” Amar’e. you might wanna use them

  8. Robert Silverman

    I’m trying to avoid griping about the refs (it’s a tough habit to break)

    I won’t, however, restrain myself from asking that Landry Fields PLEASE be put back in the game (for Billy Dubs)

  9. Robert Silverman

    Surprised no one’s made the comparison before, but Felton’s game and body-type are eerily reminiscent of the late-90′s Tim Hardaway

  10. d-mar

    Might not be a bad game to throw AR out there against Thomas for a few minutes. He can’t do any worse than STAT.

  11. Nick C.

    Chandler is having a pretty good game. 3 3s, a filthy jam, lay up in transition, can’t complain can I?

  12. ess-dog

    Killer.

    Man, Chandler is a completely different player when he goes to the hole.

    Damnit! Moz giveth and taketh away.

  13. BigBlueAL

    Mozgov has been tremendous on defense tonight. Still bobbles the ball all the time on offense though.

  14. NYK Ewing

    The Knicks defense is not nearly as bad as their points allowed shows. Our D on their first possession is always pretty good. The issue is, we get a stop and then allow them to get a quick offensive board, which allows for a quick putback. We need to learn to get the stop AND box out, and then we’ll be much better.

  15. NYK Ewing

    Is there a statistic for most offensive rebounds allowed? We have to be beating the rest of the league combined in it.

  16. Nick C.

    Not sure what this means but Moz must have a hell of a plus minus. I think it went from +1 to 6 in the 1st half and the 10 to 11 in the 4th. Now its dicey.

  17. Robert Silverman

    ess-dog: Wait, Tyrus Thomas is good now?  

    No, but the list of PF’s who’ve killed the Nix grows: Lee, Griffin, Gooden, Brand, etc.

  18. Sandy

    nice win. would have liked to see more form Gallo (either shooting or free-throw line). good win nonetheless…lets make it six.

  19. david

    An odd game — Chandler goes 4/5 from behind the arc, Gallinari only goes to the line twice (4 shots), and actually misses one, Amare gets 6 blocks, and our shooting guard continues his run as our best rebounder.

    But Amare’s rejection at the end was nasty, and Felton’s play at the end was clutch. Just great.

  20. nicos

    I had the Charlotte broadcast on league pass- was there any mention of Turiaf being hurt- I was a little surprised he didn’t come back in at some point in the 4th given how much Charlotte was getting inside.

    Gallo’s worst game in a while but being checked by Jackson and Wallace all night will do that to you.

    Felton had some awful turnovers but was pretty clutch overall including that game clenching steal of the Fields miss.

    And while Amar’e tooketh away by losing track of Thomas all night, he definitely gaveth with some monster blocks down the stretch.

  21. SeeWhyDee77

    Who knew Felton would be THIS good for us this season? I mean..I thought he was certainly an upgrade over Duhon, and a good PG..but..I know it’s only 16 games in-but I don’t really think (unless we grab a Deron Williams or CP3 somehow) that we should write him off as a short term piece. At least consider him past 2 seasons especially if this 16 game Felton stays for the duration. I know-I need 2 calm down a tad cuz a 5 game win streak has me excited so…woosahhhh. OK, back to reality. I like the pieces we have. In a perfect world AR and Rooster would step up and be those consistent players we need them to be. That’s problee not gonna happen anytime soon and we can’t always count on Felton to get us 18 and 8 a game on 45% from the field with what-37% 3pg? We need another reliable scorer. Chandler’s having a nice season and Azu’s coming back but has Wil become reliable overnight? And can we count on Azu quickly returning to form? I doubt it. Chandler’s impact thus far this season is undeniable, but I can’t trust him to be that scorer we need. I want to but I cant. Maybe if his outside shot was better. I’m torn about it because the way the team seems to be gelling, I don’t really wanna see a Chandler get traded..or a Rooster..but if it lands us another all star caliber player then I can’t be upset. Outside of that..i’m pretty impressed by the guys right now especially when most of the team is new.

  22. rrude

    Been out of town and can’t watch the games. First, thanks for giving me some insight. 2nd, I am truly surprised yet happy we made it back to .500. Not easy to beat a Larry Brown team 2 times in a row (unless he’s coaching the Knicks). Sounds like we are playing more of a team game?

  23. SeeWhyDee77

    rrude: Not easy to beat a Larry Brown team 2 times in a row (unless he’s coaching the Knicks).   

    Ha Haaaaa!!!! OMGF LOL!! U made me spit my theraflu out lol

  24. d-mar

    I like Felton and Stat, but they can’t run the pick and roll like Duhon and Lee did , so when all is said and done, I’d prefer to have Duhon and Lee (=:

    Gotta keep this going and grab 2 wins this weekend!

  25. SeeWhyDee77

    d-mar: I like Felton and Stat, but they can’t run the pick and roll like Duhon and Lee did , so when all is said and done, I’d prefer to have Duhon and Lee (=:Gotta keep this going and grab 2 wins this weekend!  

    Mr. Bad Back and Mr. Bad Back-up? Nah..gimme Ray and Amare’. Statistically we gain nothin from havin Stat except for bpg..but his presence out there makes us a different team. No one was afraid of D Lee. I still have a soft spot in my sports heart for Lee, especially with the way he made himself a 20-10 guy. But he didn’t change things for us, offensively and defensively, the way Stat has so far.

  26. rrude

    SeeWhyDee77:
    Ha Haaaaa!!!! OMGF LOL!! U made me spit my theraflu out lol  

    Yeah, last time the Knicks were looking this good, LB mysteriously started flipping lineups every other game. If Mason starts next game and Fields is in the doghouse I am switching to the Supersonics.

    Seriously, though, does it seem like D’Antoni has played more to Felton’s strengths? He seems to have some.

  27. CapB

    d-mar: I like Felton and Stat, but they can’t run the pick and roll like Duhon and Lee did , so when all is said and done, I’d prefer to have Duhon and Lee (=:Gotta keep this going and grab 2 wins this weekend!  

    Is this a serious statement? Why do you guys put so much weight in 2 guys running a pick and roll? Duhon is one of the worst players in the league. Duhon was good at running the pick and roll for all of half a season and you make him sound like Steve Nash.

    You guys dont give Felton enough credit. Since the first couple games of the season, he has improved immensly. Alot of his TO’s are on passes that his teammates should catch too.

  28. CapB

    Mozgov might have the worst hands ive seen in a long time. He is making some improvement but he cant catch.

  29. BigBlueAL

    Just realized the Knicks held an opponent under 100 pts tonight. First time since the win vs the Wizards I believe.

  30. BigBlueAL

    Assuming the Heat lose tonight which looks likely, they will be 1/2 game ahead of the Knicks in the standings. lmao

  31. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    BigBlueAL: Just realized the Knicks held an opponent under 100 pts tonight.First time since the win vs the Wizards I believe.  

    It’s not the Knicks. The Bobcats have the 7th slowest pace in the league, averaging 9 fewer possessions than the Knicks per 48 minutes. More properly said, the Bobcats held themselves to under 100 points.

  32. Spree8nyk8

    Knicks are 8-8 with fans buzzing, Miami is about to fall to 8-7, can you imagine how much gripe there would be if those guys were barely over .500 in New York?

  33. BigBlueAL

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    It’s not the Knicks. The Bobcats have the 7th slowest pace in the league, averaging 9 fewer possessions than the Knicks per 48 minutes. More properly said, the Bobcats held themselves to under 100 points.  

    The Knicks held them to 45% shooting plus just 21 FTA’s and the only reason the Bobcats were in this game was because of their 18 offensive rebounds. The Knicks played very good D tonight.

    I dont care about holding the opponents under 100 because of the pace the Knicks play at obviously.

  34. SeeWhyDee77

    to d-mar’s point in 115, I will say this: Even Stephon Marbury ran the P&R masterfully in comparison to what Felton is doing, but I think he’ll get better. He really never had to P&R too much dating back to UNC. While the P&R is a staple of the D’Antoni offense, we hafta realize that Felton is not the creator that Nash is..nor is he the same type of threat. Given what we had at the point, I’ll take Felton’s lackluster piloting of the P&R over anything that Duhon gave us last season. I do wish he hurries up and figures it out so he can run it better. With the way he’s playing right now, Felton would be absolutely lethal if he were running the P&R like Duhon did for us. Nevertheless, I’m very happy with Felton at the point right now.

  35. BigBlueAL

    Another positive to this start of the season is the Knicks are now 5-3 vs the East, that conference record tie-breaker could be huge come playoff time for seeding or to just make the playoffs period.

    Also 6-4 on the road damn, hopefully the Knicks can start winning games consistently at home.

  36. d-mar

    @127 I hope you realize my Felton-Duhon comment was tongue firmly in cheek? (That’s what the smiley face at the end was for) (-: Anyway, I am really digging the way Felton plays – is he the perfect PG, no, but he’s a tough SOB and not afraid to take big shots (and make them)

  37. Z-man

    I’m tellin’ y’all, Felton is Derek Harper. TFor he young ‘ns out there, that’ a compliment. Initially, I thought he’d be Charlie Wrd, but he’s better.

  38. BigBlueAL

    I dont care too much anymore that Felton doesnt run the P&R good because D’Antoni has adjusted the offense to not feature that play as much and it has done great things for this offense.

    With the way Felton is playing now and how the team in general is playing on offense Felton is doing better than any of us could have expected and dreamed of.

  39. ess-dog

    BigBlueAL:
    He just dribbled between his legs AND1 style.Darko is feeling it now.  

    advanced stats just aren’t kind to Darko. His WS48 is a stout .005 – same goes for Beasley at .050. And now they’re tied…

  40. Robert Silverman

    BigBlueAL:
    He just dribbled between his legs AND1 style.Darko is feeling it now.  

    10-17, 22 points, 8 boards, 5 dimes, 5 blocks.

    Maybe Kahn isn’t a complete dolt?

  41. BigBlueAL

    ess-dog:
    advanced stats just aren’t kind to Darko.His WS48 is a stout .005 – same goes for Beasley at .050.And now they’re tied…  

    Darko had been playing beyond awful before his last few games where he has become the Wolves new Kevin Garnett.

  42. ess-dog

    BigBlueAL: I dont care too much anymore that Felton doesnt run the P&R good because D’Antoni has adjusted the offense to not feature that play as much and it has done great things for this offense.With the way Felton is playing now and how the team in general is playing on offense Felton is doing better than any of us could have expected and dreamed of.  

    It might actually be better to leave the p&r duties to someone else (Fields?) since Felton is such a good deep threat now, its better for him to stay out on the wing on the p&r plays. Sort of similar to D. Fisher when Kobe is handling the ball.

  43. Z-man

    Re: Darko, please… he had 6 fouls and 7 TOs, look at his season shooting numbers, they are awful. He’s a losing player until he proves otherwise.

    On the other hand, Love is really a sensational rebounder, his game vs. the Knicks was clearly not a fluke.

  44. BigBlueAL

    Z-man: I guess no one here is ol enough to remember Derek Harper…  

    Harper wouldve been MVP of the Finals if the Knicks wouldve won the series.

    Although to be honest I liked Doc Rivers the most, of course his injury is what made the Knicks trade for Harper. I absolutely hated Greg Anthony.

    I learned to like Ward and Childs. They hit clutch 3′s and defended their asses off.

  45. Z-man

    BBA, i liked Doc too, but Harper was simply better. Still not the perfect PG, but tough as nails. What ai like about Felton is that he’s clearly not 100% but comes up huge when it counts. Not the greatest PG but freakin’ TOUGH!!!

  46. Robert Silverman

    BigBlueAL: Another note, I believe it is the first time the Knicks are .500 on Thanksgiving since 2000.  

    Nope – In ’04-’05 they were 16-13 to start the year

  47. BigBlueAL

    Robert Silverman:
    Nope – In ’04-’05 they were 16-13 to start the year  

    Yeah but they werent .500 on Thanksgiving, I believe they were a game or 2 below .500 at Thanksgiving that season. At least I believe they were since I did actually look it up.

  48. BigBlueAL

    Also in D’Antoni’s 1st season they were 7-8 at Thanksgiving before winning their next game to get to 8-8 but I know a pretty long losing streak soon followed before they righted the ship a bit and were I believe 21-25 before “dream” week at MSG happened where the Knicks lost all 3 games before going out west and never recovering.

    Funny thing is the Knicks were 16-13 and in 1st place during the 2004-2005 season and Marbury made the “Im the best PG in the NBA comment” and they went to lose like 9 of 10 and got Lenny Wilkens fired.

  49. hoolahoop

    Felton is playing well, but he still needs to refine his game. Early in the fourth quater he put his head down and made a strong move starting at top of the arc, driving to the hole with two defenders at the rim who could not stop him. I HATE THOSE SHOTS. It’s the 1-on-1 virus. He never looked around to scope out the floor, just put his head down and went for it. It worked, but it’s a bad shot. Also, he loses focus and throws lazy passes, or just plays lazy when he’s not going to shoot.
    He’s a good player, but he can be better. This team would benefit immensely if he took it to the next level.

  50. hoolahoop

    Larry Brown still loves us. He gave us two wins this week. He gave us only twenty three wins all season as Knicks coach.

  51. rama

    Ted’s feelings were hurt by all the talk of banning him, so he’s on strike. Come back, Shane! Threads just aren’t the same without a few 4000 character posts…

    When we lost the lead tonight, I did wonder whether we’d crumble – but obviously this is a different team than in recent years. The plays that won us the game were good D and a heady offensive board in the waning seconds. Those are the plays the other teams made against us last year. Sweet.

    Is it me (and Robert), or are the refs truly hosing us every single freaking game? Augustin jumping into Amare, a few other non-calls when they pushed us around on D…I remember four or five times where the refs seemed to get it wrong really obviously. Maybe it’s just because I’m a fan, but I don’t think so. It seems more like we haven’t earned the respect of the refs yet. But if we had a few more calls go our way, these games wouldn’t be so close.

  52. Robert Silverman

    rama: Is it me (and Robert), or are the refs truly hosing us every single freaking game?Augustin jumping into Amare, a few other non-calls when they pushed us around on D…I remember four or five times where the refs seemed to get it wrong really obviously. Maybe it’s just because I’m a fan, but I don’t think so.It seems more like we haven’t earned the respect of the refs yet.But if we had a few more calls go our way, these games wouldn’t be so close.  

    I support any post that continues the use of the phrase, “hosed.”

    Gallo got whumped a couple of times that led to TO’s/fastbreaks that weren’t called too.

    Then again, I’m sure the fans of the Clips/Warriors/Kings/’Cats were bellowing, “flopper!” when Gallo got all those whistles the past 5 games.

  53. rama

    There was also the non-call on the obvious goaltending on a shot of Felton’s toward the end of the game. I think it was Thomas who “blocked” it – after it was already coming down. (It might have been Amare’s shot, not Felton’s – Felton WAS blocked toward the end from about the same spot on the floor, so I could be “misremembering.”)

  54. Caleb

    Lot of Milicic mentions… thought I’d check it out. Ol’ Darko is really tearing it up – a 44.8 TS%, while rebounding less and turning it over more than Stoudemire.

    Even more amazing – he’s only a year older than Mozgov.

  55. Caleb

    Felton vs. Harper? They’re both savvy, tough and durable, but I don’t see the style comparison. Harper was really good, just a notch below the All-Stars, but he was made for the hand-check era (like Doc). Kinda slow, but big – Jason Kidd size – and strong. Good shooter, especially on kick-outs from Mason or Oak or Ewing. He was kind of a combo guard, even then.

    Felton on the other hand is small and fast… and I’m not ready to call him a great outside shooter.

  56. Nick C.

    I was gonna chime in on the Derek Harper comp but Caleb beat me to it and threw in some analysis as well.

  57. Z-man

    PS Felton is not tall, but I would hardly call him small. He would have been made for the hand-check era as well, imo.

  58. SeeWhyDee77

    d-mar: @127 I hope you realize my Felton-Duhon comment was tongue firmly in cheek? (That’s what the smiley face at the end was for) (-:   

    oh yea..ha ha..I missed that..lol. See thas what I get for bein doped up on theraflu! Anywayz..Happy Turkeyday ppl!!

  59. SeeWhyDee77

    BigBlueAL:
    Harper wouldve been MVP of the Finals if the Knicks wouldve won the series.Although to be honest I liked Doc Rivers the most, of course his injury is what made the Knicks trade for Harper.I absolutely hated Greg Anthony.I learned to like Ward and Childs.They hit clutch 3?s and defended their asses off.  

    Oh yea..and Childs took it to Bean’s jaw lol
    RE: Harp/Felton..I buy the comparison. 2 big differences tho…Harp was problee a better defender becuz he was allowed to be more physical..and Felt is faster on the break and a better penetrator. Everything else is even. Both them dudes are tougher than nails, pitbull of a point guard type. Love both of ‘em

  60. Nick C.

    Z-Man nice job. I thought Harper was quicker and closer to the top of the league when he was with Dallas. Figured you were just thinking about the hard nosed guy Harper was with the Knicks. Ask JoJo English about that. But by the comp you put up Felton looks better, except for TO, than a young Harper so far this year.

  61. Z-man

    Thanks, Nick. I agree with Caleb that there are some stylistic differences, but they are cut from the same cloth…tough, fearless, relentless, not pure PGs but effective players on both ends, leaders.

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