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Friday, July 25, 2014

212 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bobcats

  1. Jake S.

    Damnit, I’m starting to feel Knoblauch with these posts. I get the yips every time I hit submit.

  2. d-mar

    Any predictions as to which mediocre player will join the Knicks opponent HOF tonight? I was going to say Kwame Brown, but I don’t even think the Knicks are bad enough right now to make him look great. Maybe the legendary Dominic McGuire?

    (BTW, Hansbrough has come way down to earth after putting up Karl Malone numbers against us)

  3. Jake S.

    Is Augustin not playing tonight? DJ was put on this earth to post a career high in scoring against the Knicks.

  4. art vandelay

    btw, maybe that should be the way to build our team going forward: systematically acquire all of members of the middling opponent HOF to eliminate our primary nemeses.

  5. d-mar

    Douglas starting tonight in place of Fields. I guess D’Antoni’s getting desperate, can’t say I blame him as we are a horrendous 1st (and 4th) quarter team.

  6. ess-dog

    I don’t like it. Why rattle the rookie’s confidence? Williams starting too. That’s some fugly stuff.

  7. Jake S.

    Can D’Antoni run Derrick Brown out there for a couple of minutes tonight? He couldn’t possibly be worse than Jeffries or a crippled Turiaf.

  8. Z

    art vandelay: btw, maybe that should be the way to build our team going forward: systematically acquire all of members of the middling opponent HOF to eliminate our primary nemeses.  

    That was how we ended up with Chris Childs.

  9. KnickInSeattle

    I like Douglas starting. Fields can handle it.
    At least coach is taking a look at his own decisions.

  10. ess-dog

    Doesn’t seem as if Billups and Douglas play well together though.

    Of course D’Antoni is famous for the “I’ll start you and play you 6 minutes” yank-start, so we’ll see…

  11. tenebrous

    art vandelay: btw, maybe that should be the way to build our team going forward: systematically acquire all of members of the middling opponent HOF to eliminate our primary nemeses.  

    I too believe it is. MJ ordered extra toothpaste for tonights game. He plans on smiling big for the camera or at least the TV screen. Even if the mighty Knicks don’t win this one it’s not over yet.

  12. tenebrous

    Jake S.: Can D’Antoni run Derrick Brown out there for a couple of minutes tonight? He couldn’t possibly be worse than Jeffries or a crippled Turiaf.  

    And he might do good against his old team. A DBrown sighting, yeah. And Andy too.

  13. art vandelay

    Good point, Z….I forgot about how much Chris Childs killed us prior to being acquired….as I guess I can only recall how much he killed us AS a Knick instead….with the lone exception for game 7 against miami in 2000 when he singlehandedly kept us in the game in the 4th quarter.

  14. latke

    I think the douglas start is smart. You need a guy who can cover the point guard, since billups clearly cannot (nor can Fields). Between Shawne and Billups in the SL, it really leaves our bench barren of scoring options though. Maybe Walker will get some burn?

    This also takes away excuses from the SL’s offense. They have their 5 best offensive players. If they can’t score, it’s because of bad ball movement.

  15. Frank O.

    Butler baby!
    Think I’m watching Uconn and flicking at the knicks’ game.
    My wife and I were marveling at the quality of the ball v the Knicks of late.
    one thing I loved about the te before the trade: far more enthusiasm.

  16. Mike R

    theres nothing worse then when someone takes a bad shot and then no one hustles back on defense and they give up an easy put back

  17. KnickInSeattle

    @28, They don’t.
    Also, great posession: Anthony to TD to Billups to TD for the lay up.

  18. KnickInSeattle

    They’re hitting the boards harder…maybe not with better results…but they’re doing it.

  19. BigBlueAL

    For the Knicks to have any chance in the playoffs, the rotation has to be trimmed to 8 if not only 7 players.

  20. hoolahoop

    just gave a free basket away…melo should have held to the clock ran down on the quarte

  21. KnickInSeattle

    @44, yep they’re not perfect.
    But I do think there’s better effort tonight toward ball movement, rebounding, and defense. Perhaps not better results…
    What do you think?

  22. Jake S.

    Are you guys watching the same game I am? They’re jacking up a ton of jump shots and they look hideous on defense. Am I missing something?

  23. BigBlueAL

    KnickInSeattle: @41…You’re unhappy with Carter and Mason out there?  

    Right now, with this starting lineup I would only play Fields, Carter and Turiaf off the bench (or Shawne if Turiaf starts).

  24. KnickInSeattle

    @49…Yeah, you are.
    They’re trying much harder to move the ball, move without the ball, and find the open man.

    And the defensive effort is better too…though the results are not.

  25. Jake S.

    Horrible interior defense? Check
    Crappy point guard play? Check
    D’Antoni making his colonoscopy face? Check

    I’m done for the night.

  26. tenebrous

    Wasn’t Jefferies really good in college? Why is SW doesn’t play good D – does he not know how? Oh the whole team doesnt know how. These opposing teams just know that the boards are open and we won’t rebound. Time for an Amare and Melo Trade – too bad there are no takers.

  27. Jake S.

    Always fun when you can actually see Knicks plays ticketed for future ESPN montages of their ineptitude.

  28. Frank O.

    17 games in 26 days. This is an exhausted team.
    Amare is wearing some new leg support.
    Just not play with purpose

  29. JK47

    So, wait a minute. The coach’s solution to the team’s problems is to REDUCE the role of Landry Fields? Who here thought that by the end of this season, Anthony Carter would be getting more minutes in a game than Landry Fields?

    Mike D’Antoni does not know what the hell he is doing. He’s grasping at straws. And we’re getting our tails whipped by Matt Carroll and Dominic McGuire. This is a joke.

  30. KnickInSeattle

    @63, the effort was definitely there. Whether you saw it or not.
    However, as I said in every comment, the results weren’t.
    And now it appears the effort is gone.

  31. JK47

    22-4 in the second quarter. Forget Gallo and Felton, I want Quentin Richardson and Larry Hughes back.

  32. latke

    Let’s run down the excuse list that people have used to forgive knick losses and see if they apply tonight:

    1) Dominant big man to abuse knicks lack of size — Nope
    2) Too many offensive zeroes on the floor. Melo and Stoudemire guarded by two guys — Not for most of the game
    3) They are too good at rebounding, another one of our weaknesses — Nope: They are 21st in rebounding, 19th in offensive rebounding.
    4) We’re just not that good yet — Nope, not a valid excuse. The Bobcats are terrible. Even if we are average, we should destroy them.
    5) This is just a team that has always had the Knicks’ number. Nope! Going back to last season, we’ve won the last 4 (two of those against a far more talented roster).
    6) We’re tired! Such a dense schedule… Nope – This is the 3rd game in 4 nights for the Cats, just like NY.

    Am I missing any?

  33. JK47

    I know, let’s take our best guard and glue him to the bench. We don’t need his .610 TS% or his great rebounding.

  34. Thomas B.

    Hey guys sorry I’m late I had to put the kids down for bed. I haven’t checked the score yet but I’m sure the team is going to come out strong against the Bobcats. I mean, there is no way they could turn it a stinker at this point in the season. I’d rather put a gun in my mouth than watch one more poor effort and a 6th consecutive loss. Okay, NBA League Pass tell me something good….

    (sound of gun cocking)

    BAM!!

  35. JK47

    Oops, I don’t have a feed of this and ESPN’s box score was all weird, so I didn’t realize Landry had gotten back in the game.

    Back to your regularly scheduled suckage.

  36. JK47

    The Bobcats are the #27 offense in the NBA, and they’ll probably score 130 before this is over.

  37. CRJoe

    You know what? I would definitely prefer to pick up Kwame over Dalembert on a one year deal in the off season… He’s posting slightly worse numbers in the same amount of time with less possesions… He’s younger, and would probably come cheaper… And I still spport the theory that we are not a Dalember-Afflalo combo away from contention, so what the heck…

  38. BigBlueAL

    Knicks fortunate to be down only 13 at the half. Melo and Billups playing well but everyone else not so much (although Shelden with some decent minutes to close the half).

  39. JK47

    Of our two “stars” I’d rather trade Amar’e than Melo. Amar’e's shitty post defense is more detrimental than Melo’s shitty wing defense.

  40. Jake S.

    I fear you’re right JK47. Really looking forward to D’Antoni’s post-game interview tonight. Should be enlightening.

  41. Max

    Pathetic bunch of losers… Charlotte got the first 10 rebounds of the second quarter. 10 consecutive rebounds, could you believe it?

  42. Jake S.

    On a more upbeat note, I love Malik Rose. He always sounds like he’s on the verge of having a boom-goes-the-dynamite moment. He needs a Bob Uecker-type throwing down shots to tell him no one’s actually listening.

  43. Max

    Jake S.: I fear you’re right JK47. Really looking forward to D’Antoni’s post-game interview tonight. Should be enlightening.  

    D’Antoni’ll be fired anyway, so it’s time he starts screaming, pointing fingers, kicking some ass and naming names. Maybe should help :-)

  44. latke

    cats jogged down on that fast break, and you still didn’t see a single knick in the frame as they laid it in.

  45. Jake S.

    Hey Clyde. Can the Knick cut the lead to 12 before we decide that they’ve regained their fluidity?

  46. BigBlueAL

    tenebrous: Can’t believe I’m watching this game. Nothing else on TV. Oh Sheldon.  

    USA-Argentina soccer game right now 1-1 in 2nd half. Pretty fun game so far.

  47. d-mar

    I love when Clyde comments: “________ (fill in the blank) averages 3.2 per game, already with 11 this game.” We hear that pretty much every night.

  48. CRJoe

    Man… A double digit loss to the bobcats… And we could be blown out if continue our 4th performance trend… I’ve said this like 3 times, but this time I really mean it… Shouldn’t we just blow up the team and clear cap space for 2012???

  49. latke

    this is our best SSOL lineup. Everyone can shoot (except AC), everyone can drive. I expect a comeback.

  50. Jake S.

    Sadly, we’re going to go through multiple iterations with this team. First we’ll fire the coach. When he fails, we’ll bring in another coach. When he fails, we’ll reshuffle the supporting cast. Next thing you know it’s 2015 and we’re talking about Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook.

  51. BigBlueAL

    It has gotten to the point that Im more embarrassed to be a Knicks fan right now than I was when Isiah was in charge. That is the ultimate insult.

  52. JK47

    Remember when Charles Barkley said the Knicks were the worst defensive team of all time?

    Broken clock right twice a day and all that.

  53. latke

    we have played good defense (or at least good relative to what we’ve seen) the last 7-8 mins of game time. We also got good shots in the beginning of the quarter. We just missed them. I seriously think we’ll win this game.

  54. BigBlueAL

    Great the soccer game is over, guess Im forced to watch the end of the Knicks game lol.

  55. BigBlueAL

    Then of course Kwame scores and Billups with a patented horrible 3pt attempt bricked followed by a Melo heat-check bricked which leads to a Bobcats layup.

  56. art vandelay

    bobcats announcer just said that was a CLUTCH play by billups…let’s see, he dribbled into traffic trying to draw a bail-out foul rather than passing ball up court, fell…hesitated in calling a time out and finally did….so he cost the team a time out late in a game while they are attempting a comeback….

    CLUTCH!!!

  57. Jake S.

    Yes and no. I know he’s the only one out there tonight, but his body language is horrendous. His leadership has been so heinous since coming over.

  58. BigBlueAL

    Jake S.: Yes and no. I know he’s the only one out there tonight, but his body language is horrendous. His leadership has been so heinous since coming over.  

    Smiling cause he missed a FT?? C’mon give him a bit of a break :-)

  59. tenebrous

    Can someone tell fields that he’s not gallo or Chandler? The man hesitates on every 3 pointer.

  60. Jake S.

    I really can’t put into words how awful Chauncey Billups has been since his return. It’s enough to make you nostalgic for Stevie Francis.

  61. Max

    As usual disgusting plays down the stretch… I can’t believe that they could even think about picking up Billups’s option year.
    Good game by Carmelo, Shelden Williams MVP :-)

  62. TheXman

    heh just checked the box score, thank god didn’t watch another abysmal performance. can they just not make the playoffs because they’ll just embarrass themselves. This is just more depressing as a knicks fan than anything during the Isiah days. At least those teams perenially sucked, there was no hope. There was hope here, and it was taken away. Real sad.

    At least Shelden had a good game. Didn’t realize how good we had it with Chandler, Gallo and Felton. I retract my bring MELO at any cost moment on this board pre-trade.

  63. JK47

    14 points on 16 FGA for “Mr. Big Shot.”

    Silver lining department: 10 points on 3 FGA and 9 rebounds in 23 minutes for Shelden Williams! W00t!

  64. Thomas B.

    Jake S.: I really hope they miss the playoffs at this point.  

    Yeah, let’s give Houston a lottery pick. That’ll make things better.

  65. JK47

    Well, at least we lost tonight because of the awful 2nd quarter and not because of the awful 1st or 4th quarter. Variety is important.

  66. BigBlueAL

    TD starts and plays 15 mins. D’Antoni has no clue what the hell he is doing right now. Grasping at straws to say the least.

  67. TheXman

    Duhon or Billups btw? Didn’t watch the game, Billups did have 10 assists, was he really that bad. I think allowing 114 points for the Bobcats might be a problem.

  68. BigBlueAL

    Billups actually had 10 asts with 0 to’s tonight. He and Melo were only starters with a positive +/-.

  69. TheXman

    Since we can’t cheer for the knicks, we have to cheer for the pistons or the bulls tonight. Bucks are up on the Bulls! Lol.

  70. BigBlueAL

    KnickInSeattle: Shelden Williams should be starting (sad thing to have to say).  

    Yeah either he or Turiaf have to start. Shawne looks like he is useless right now since he cant shoot 3′s anymore due to his injured finger.

  71. JK47

    Nine games left, gang. Four of those (ORL, BOS, @CHI, @PHI) look like certain losses. We’re not getting back to .500 this season, that’s almost a lock.

    The five “winnable” games are NJN, CLE, TOR, @NJN, @IND.

  72. Jake S.

    If we missed the playoffs, at least we’d end up with Houston’s pick (14th) as opposed to our current pick (16th).

  73. Jake S.

    I thought we swapped picks with Houston if ours was higher. Am I off? I’m probably off.

  74. Nick C.

    Just awful. I really thought I was through with watching them go down 20 in the first half only to catch fire and make a win possible by the 5 minute mark only to flail down the stretch with stupid basketball.

  75. BigBlueAL

    JK47: Nine games left, gang.Four of those (ORL, BOS, @CHI, @PHI) look like certain losses.We’re not getting back to .500 this season, that’s almost a lock.The five “winnable” games are NJN, CLE, TOR, @NJN, @IND.  

    Last 2 games are Chi/@Bos. Those games might not matter to them by that point so those games could be very winnable.

  76. bobneptune

    BigBlueAL: Billups actually had 10 asts with 0 to’s tonight.He and Melo were only starters with a positive +/-.  

    BigBlueAL: Billups actually had 10 asts with 0 to’s tonight.He and Melo were only starters with a positive +/-.  

    yes…. melo’s d was particularly stellar down the stretch: epic fail to switch on the kwame brown pnr for a dunk, got burned by jackson underneath on the next possession and then ran over diaw the next time down the floor for the clinching free throws.

    you don’t win giving up 114 to the bcats. those 3 mistakes by melo down the stretch aren’t due to any lack of d’antoni coaching d, it’s the player not giving a crap on the defensive end.

    but he got his 25 shots up and the check still comes in every other week, so life is good…….

  77. bobneptune

    Jake S.: I thought we swapped picks with Houston if ours was higher. Am I off? I’m probably off.  

    hou has the choice to switch with us if they want to.

  78. Jake S.

    Right. If we make the playoffs today, we have the 16th pick. If we miss the playoffs and Houston misses the playoffs (which they will), the worst pick we could have would be 14. Does that track with you Thomas B.?

  79. Max

    bobneptune: yes…. melo’s d was particularly stellar down the stretch: epic fail to switch on the kwame brown pnr for a dunk, got burned by jackson underneath on the next possession and then ran over diaw the next time down the floor for the clinching free throws.you don’t win giving up 114 to the bcats. those 3 mistakes by melo down the stretch aren’t due to any lack of d’antoni coaching d, it’s the player not giving a crap on the defensive end.but he got his 25 shots up and the check still comes in every other week, so life is good…….  

    He’s never played defense, he simply didn’t care, he got his shots, his points (he’s really a great offensive player), the city he wants plus his millions and his reality show. Yes, life is very good :-D

  80. Max

    BigBlueAL: Guys seriously, this loss was not anywhere near Melo’s fault.  

    Yeah, true, this loss is not (only) Melo’s fault, Amar’è stunk, Billups disappeared in the clutch, the rest of team is nothing. But….

    After the trade we’re 7-12, Denver is 12-4.
    We’re going to fire the coach, George Karl got a two year extension and he’s happy as a kid: http://www.denverpost.com/krieger/ci_17704537
    (just a quick extract from Karl’s words: “This superstar system, the power of it, now moving into celebrity status and Internet status, agent status, scares the heck out of me. It’s taking coaching down, and coaching is still very important to the game. Coachability, no one writes about that…”)

  81. BigBlueAL

    Max:
    Yeah, true, this loss is not (only) Melo’s fault, Amar’è stunk, Billups disappeared in the clutch, the rest of team is nothing. But….
    After the trade we’re 7-12, Denver is 12-4.
    We’re going to fire the coach, George Karl got a two year extension and he’s happy as a kid: http://www.denverpost.com/krieger/ci_17704537
    (just a quick extract from Karl’s words: “This superstar system, the power of it, now moving into celebrity status and Internet status, agent status, scares the heck out of me. It’s taking coaching down, and coaching is still very important to the game. Coachability, no one writes about that…”)  

    Oh dont get me wrong, the trade seemingly has destroyed this season no doubt. But Melo has been pretty good since the trade, especially after his first few games (the game in Det notwithstanding). I understand its the Melo trade so Melo will get the brunt of criticism but its been the other players and the team defense that has been the main problem since the trade not necessarily Melo and his play.

  82. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Actually, it’s ‘Melo’s fault that he hasn’t made everyone around him a better shooter. Wasn’t that the big “intangible” everyone spoke of that justified not waiting for him in free agency? Oh yeah. That.

  83. BigBlueAL

    Hey Ive been through this here before already. Im not going to just blame Melo for everything just because the trade acquiring him so far has been a colossal bust. Melo has not been the problem, he is a very good player and has been pretty good since the trade.

    Obviously he is not good enough to make up for all the players they gave up. Many people here said so before the trade happened and they have been 100% correct. The media has overblown how good Melo is but the fact is he is still pretty damn good and has been with the Knicks for the most part. His teammates (or lack thereof) and seemingly his coach has been the biggest problem.

  84. BigBlueAL

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Actually, it’s ‘Melo’s fault that he hasn’t made everyone around him a better shooter. Wasn’t that the big “intangible” everyone spoke of that justified not waiting for him in free agency? Oh yeah. That.  

    Hey Im not going to blame him for that. He has done what he has always done (actually he has been a bit more efficient with the Knicks than he has been during his career). Thats all Im saying, he hasnt come to the Knicks and played bad or worse than he usually plays. He has done his part. Does it justify the trade?? No right now it certainly doesnt.

  85. Frank O.

    I find myself angry because melo could have affected the trade in a way that would have prevented the knicks from giving up so much for him.

  86. BigBlueAL

    Frank O.: I find myself angry because melo could have affected the trade in a way that would have prevented the knicks from giving up so much for him.  

    Hey Im not going to be mad at him for wanting his money. I get what you are saying but its pretty obvious he was signing the extension regardless. Obviously the Knicks shouldnt have upped the ante like they did but Dolan needed his 2nd “star”.

    It is what it is, nothing can change that trade right now unfortunately. I foolishly still hold out hope this off-season they can surround him and Amar’e with the proper role players/teammates.

  87. hoolahoop

    Melo has a lot of innate talent. That doesn’t make him a valuable basketball player. He’s another version of Iverson, Marbury, V. Carter, all guys that are gifted athletically but don’t truly understand the game. Larry Bird, Steve Nash, Landry Fields play smart, winning style, basketball.
    Melo is a fantastic scorer, but he’s a ball stopping, ball hogging, selfish player. He’s makes people around him worse.
    Evidence: Amare was playing at an MVP level (almost). Now, he’s playing much worse.
    Landry Fields was an untouchable before the trade, now he doesn’t start.
    Knuggets – not playing to shabby since melo left.
    Coincidence? I think not.

  88. hoolahoop

    Frank O.: I find myself angry because melo could have affected the trade in a way that would have prevented the knicks from giving up so much for him.  

    Absolutely!

  89. bobneptune

    BigBlueAL: Guys seriously, this loss was not anywhere near Melo’s fault.  

    al,

    i’ve been a fan of the knicks since richie guerin, jumpin johnny green, willie nauls and billy the hill mc gill. i realize the loss wasn’t exclusively melo’s fault.

    however, his lack of any hint of commitment to a whiff of defense down the stretch was very disquieting. if he isn’t going to bust his ass with 3 minutes left down by 5, when exactly will he???

    the answer is…. never. and that is why, as bill parcells says….”you are what your record says you are.”

    melo is a high volume scorer who refuses to put consistent effort on the defensive end and that is why his teams have gotten out of the first round of the playoffs exactly once. dominique wilkins, redux. a poor man’s dominique wilkins to more precise.

    fun to watch, not a winner in the big scheme of things.

    they would have been better off keeping zebo and jammal crawford 3 yars ago if they were planning on accepting 40-45 win teams over the next 4 years.

  90. BigBlueAL

    “Larry Bird, Steve Nash, Landry Fields play smart, winning style, basketball.”

    One of these names doesnt belong in this group.

  91. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    hoolahoop: Melo has a lot of innate talent. That doesn’t make him a valuable basketball player. He’s another version of Iverson, Marbury, V. Carter, all guys that are gifted athletically but don’t truly understand the game. Larry Bird, Steve Nash, Landry Fields play smart, winning style, basketball.
    Melo is a fantastic scorer, but he’s a ball stopping, ball hogging, selfish player. He’s makes people around him worse.
    Evidence:Amare was playing at an MVP level (almost). Now, he’s playing much worse.  

    Agree completely about the division of athleticism and goal-specific ability. Ringo Starr wasn’t the world’s most technically-proficient drummer, but he was the right fit. Baseball is one of those sports in which the most physically-dominant players aren’t necessarily the best ones. Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez, anyone?

  92. BigBlueAL

    I know Im fighting a losing fight here. I guess I cant blame anyone here though for hating and ripping Melo since his trade is what lead to all this. Carry on :-)

  93. hoolahoop

    After melo hits a couple of three’s he gets back on defense with a big, nonchalant grin on his face, though they’re still down by ten inthe fourth quarter on a five game skid. You’d never ever see Jordan or Bird smiling in that situation. Maybe that’s just melo’s way, but it seems like an “all bout me” attitude.

  94. hoolahoop

    BigBlueAL: “Larry Bird, Steve Nash, Landry Fields play smart, winning style, basketball.”One of these names doesnt belong in this group.  

    YOu’re right. Larry Bird is no longer an active player.

  95. BigBlueAL

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    Agree completely about the division of athleticism and goal-specific ability. Ringo Starr wasn’t the world’s most technically-proficient drummer, but he was the right fit. Baseball is one of those sports in which the most physically-dominant players aren’t necessarily the best ones. Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez, anyone?  

    Maddux and Pedro arent really a good comparison since Pedro had the best stuff in baseball. Maddux fits your point exactly but not necessarily Pedro because even though he wasnt big in stature his stuff was beyond amazing. Pedro was more like a great 6 ft PG who while small was real fast and athletic.

  96. bobneptune

    BigBlueAL: “Larry Bird, Steve Nash, Landry Fields play smart, winning style, basketball.”One of these names doesnt belong in this group.  

    that was a bernard mc guirk, “which doesn’t belong, and why?” if i have ever seen one :-)

  97. JK47

    Amar’e is just falling off a cliff. He’s having easily the worst season of his career, and it’s getting worse game by game. This franchise may very well have been screwed the minute Amar’e signed that contract. He had a great first half of the season, but look at his basketball-reference page and check out how far his performance has fallen this season. The Melo trade was bad, but it’s partially covering up what has been a very subpar season from our other “star.”

    A power forward with a .567 TS% who plays crap defense and is a mediocre rebounder is miles away from a max contract player. And that .567 TS% is even lower after tonights 14 points on 13 FGA debacle.

  98. BigBlueAL

    bobneptune:
    that was a bernard mc guirk, “which doesn’t belong, and why?” if i have ever seen one :-)  

    LOL, I love Fields like everyone else but seriously c’mon.

  99. hoolahoop

    One thing we all have in common. For better or worse, usually worse, we’re all knicks fans.

  100. hoolahoop

    JK47: This franchise may very well have been screwed the minute Amar’e signed that contract.

    Some may say that Amare was screwed the minute the knicks signed him.
    He’s had a better ten years than this team.

  101. latke

    Billups: +3, Melo: +4, She-Will: +6.

    I wrote in my article back just before the trade about how SSOL works, you have to have

    1) big w/ speed & strength (STAT).

    2) two plus wings who can spread the floor, are quick to the rim, & can play defense. Walker fits this category better than any Knick right now but melo, who
    A) has not tried to fit it (or not told to), &
    B) is average/bad defensively.
    Shawne Williams sort of fits, but he is bad off the dribble & hasn’t hit the side of a barn since hurting his finger.
    Fields sort of fits, but he’s weak on drives & a sub-par defender. He showed improvement on the drives tonight though.
    Brown may fit this category, but we may never find that out.

    3) If you are going to play a real center, he has to be mobile (not She-Will) & able to catch & finish @ the rim (not JJ). Turiaf is the only guy who fits, but he’s frail. Birdman or Moz fill this role better than anyone on NY’s current roster.

    4) a PG who has speed, a shot, & a grasp of the nuances of PnR. TD goes schizo sometimes but has done well here. Sadly, Billups, who lacks speed & doesn’t seem to understand the PnR, handles the ball even w TD on the floor.

    This team is built to play 2 contrasting styles. Billups & melo prefer a style similar to the Wizards of 5 years ago. In contrast, STAT, & Fields can’t help in ISO ball bc their D is so weak (ISO ball doesn’t request much of the non scorers’ offense). It’s not just the incompatibility that has made NY bad, but the maddening shifts in style. One play is a no-passing Billups three or a ‘Melo jab step (everyone standing around). A sub & there’s ball movement for a minute. It must make it hard to get comfortable.

    The Knicks roster, especially considering the current rotation & melo’s comfort/billups enabling of ISO ball, is really poorly suited to SSOL, which makes STAT a very average player and is the reason IMO we saw the ex-Nuggets with pluses by their names, and the other Knicks…

  102. BigBlueAL

    Bucks are on the verge of completing their collapse at home vs the Bulls. Amazing both Indiana and Milwaukee will lose tonight. Bottom of the East really is a joke.

  103. hoolahoop

    Soon, this season will be over. If next season starts like this one is ending, I’ll go back to my days of tuning out. No need to waste my time on a bunch of multi-millionaire losers and a horrible organization.
    At least we had a fun ride for 2/3 of a season. I hope it’s not another ten years for that to happen again.
    I saw this coming a mile away.

  104. BigBlueAL

    Still cant fathom though how this current group couldve started out 6-3 (with a couple of blowout wins plus wins @ Mia, Atl and Mem) and then go 1-9 since.

  105. BigBlueAL

    Knicks with their 3rd 6 game losing streak of the season. I assume the previous 6 game losing streaks were all Melo’s fault too :-)

  106. Brian Cronin

    Losing nine of their last ten, with about six of the nine losses coming against sub .500 teams. This is the worst stretch of the season so far – and for all we know, this is not even as bad as it gets!!

    That said…yeah, the other teams behind the Knicks are also losing, so the Knicks almost certainly won’t miss the playoffs, and heck, they almost certainly won’t fall past #7. So I guess finishing 37-45 really isn’t much different than finishing 43-39 if your playoff seeding isn’t affected.

    Really, the most important games for the Knicks the rest of the season likely are played by Houston, New Orleans and Memphis.

  107. totti

    melo was so happy with himself after having stolen three ft to jackson in the 4th, that he could not stop smiling going back on defense.
    The Knicks have put their future in the hands of a person like this.

  108. totti

    But,

    if billups regain his best shape for playoffs time, the same shape he got before the hip injury,
    knicks can win any series

  109. d-mar

    JK47: Amar’e is just falling off a cliff.He’s having easily the worst season of his career, and it’s getting worse game by game.This franchise may very well have been screwed the minute Amar’e signed that contract.He had a great first half of the season, but look at his basketball-reference page and check out how far his performance has fallen this season.The Melo trade was bad, but it’s partially covering up what has been a very subpar season from our other “star.”A power forward with a .567 TS% who plays crap defense and is a mediocre rebounder is miles away from a max contract player.And that .567 TS% is even lower after tonights 14 points on 13 FGA debacle.  

    Before you write off Amare as a complete bust (which is absurd in and of itself) refer to what he did in the playoffs last year for the Suns

  110. hoolahoop

    BigBlueAL: Knicks with their 3rd 6 game losing streak of the season.I assume the previous 6 game losing streaks were all Melo’s fault too :-)  

    That’s impossible. Throw all the statistics you want at me, the pre-trade knicks would never lose six games in a row.

  111. art vandelay

    the pre-trade knicks were going to the finals….absolutely…and amare was going to be MVP, gallo MIP, and we were going to sign chandler to a 5 year- 70 mil deal with his assorted ankle issues.

  112. BigBlueAL

    hoolahoop:
    That’s impossible. Throw all the statistics you want at me, the pre-trade knicks would never lose six games in a row.  

    Ive never considered you to be sarcastic but I sure as hell hope you are being so now.

  113. art vandelay

    if we have anyone to be mad at, in my opinion, that person would be billups….we expected an upgrade over felton and he has been much worse than felton was….to me that is the downfall of the trade in a nutshell.

  114. hoolahoop

    art vandelay: if we have anyone to be mad at, in my opinion, that person would be billups….

    I have found the enemy and the enemy is us. How could anyone be a knick fan?

  115. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    art vandelay: the pre-trade knicks were going to the finals….absolutely…and amare was going to be MVP, gallo MIP, and we were going to sign chandler to a 5 year- 70 mil deal with his assorted ankle issues.  

    The pre-trade Knicks also didn’t have $40M+ a year allocated to two of their players for the next four years.

  116. massive

    What I don’t understand is how a player like Chris Duhon can put up 22 assists in D’Antoni’s system, but Chauncey Billups is struggling mightily (since the injury). He started off the game playing the 2 guard spot next to Toney Douglas. If he continues this poor play, we’ll need to trade him in the offseason to a contender. Maybe we get lucky, draft Jimmer Fredette, and the Lakers trade us Andrew Bynum for Chauncey (Billups/Bryant/Artest/Odom/Gasol is still a title contender next year, right?). Unlikely, but I’m sure we could get value from a contending teams. Would Orlando be interested in Billups? Atlanta?

    Amar’e's poor play as of recently is probably due to the poor spacing. We don’t shoot nearly as many threes considering that we can have up to 4 offensive zeros (Jeffries, Shelden, Turiaf, Carter) in the rotation on any given night. Add in Chauncey’s inability to run the P&R and more isolation opportunities, giving Amar’e the chance to create for himself (which isn’t his strength), and it’s starting to look like this current set-up of the Knicks is what’s keeping Amar’e from having good games. We need to go to the Melo-Amar’e P&R more often.

  117. jaylamerique

    massive: What I don’t understand is how a player like Chris Duhon can put up 22 assists in D’Antoni’s system, but Chauncey Billups is struggling mightily (since the injury). He started off the game playing the 2 guard spot next to Toney Douglas. If he continues this poor play, we’ll need to trade him in the offseason to a contender. Maybe we get lucky, draft Jimmer Fredette, and the Lakers trade us Andrew Bynum for Chauncey (Billups/Bryant/Artest/Odom/Gasol is still a title contender next year, right?). Unlikely, but I’m sure we could get value from a contending teams. Would Orlando be interested in Billups? Atlanta?
    Amar’e’s poor play as of recently is probably due to the poor spacing. We don’t shoot nearly as many threes considering that we can have up to 4 offensive zeros (Jeffries, Shelden, Turiaf, Carter) in the rotation on any given night. Add in Chauncey’s inability to run the P&R and more isolation opportunities, giving Amar’e the chance to create for himself (which isn’t his strength), and it’s starting to look like this current set-up of the Knicks is what’s keeping Amar’e from having good games. We need to go to the Melo-Amar’e P&R more often.  

    a lopsided trade in the knicks favor i like it. A 24 year old big men who can protect the paint, rebound, score with his back to the basket and is the 2nd best player in his position for a 30+ yr old point guard. Is that you Chris Wallace? and if you want the Knicks to draft a pointguard, you should hope for Kemba Walker. the kid is a better Ty Lawson

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