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Sunday, November 23, 2014

2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Blazers

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137 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks @ Blazers

  1. tastycakes

    Dammit, I just missed firsties!

    Latke, I feel you, they are a tough team to figure out, but that’s got to be emotionally draining, almost knocking off the league’s best and falling short the way they did. Equal rest for the two squads. Should be a good one — we almost beat them earlier in the year at home, and we weren’t any good then.

  2. Brian Cronin

    Also, it shouldn’t matter that they’re without Gallo for this game as they were without him for the first Portland game.

    What’s that? He played in that game? For serious?

  3. Z-man

    Was at that game, home opener, very tough loss. We had a 7-pt lead with like 5 minutes to go, then Turiaf misses a layup after getting fouled, misses both free throws, instead of up 9 or 10 we blow the lead. Miller absolutely killed us.

    Hopefully we are now a much better team than we were then. We really should win this game.

  4. daJudge

    I trust Raymond and his team will be fully rested and prepared. Portland is a nice town, but not a party town per se (cf., LA). I don’t think Raymond and his cronies are big micro brew IPA guys. At least I hope not. This time we got the hops.

    Go Knicks. Be a great win.

  5. d-mar

    Z-man: Was at that game, home opener, very tough loss.We had a 7-pt lead with like 5 minutes to go, then Turiaf misses a layup after getting fouled, misses both free throws, instead of up 9 or 10 we blow the lead.Miller absolutely killed us.Hopefully we are now a much better team than we were then.We really should win this game.  

    Yeah, can’t let Richard Pryor have his way with us again.

  6. art vandelay

    Important game if they want to go .500 on this trip….tomorrow night’s second game of a back-to-back in Utah will be VERY tough to win, particularly since knicks never seem to win in Utah…can’t even remember the last time they won a game there….hopefully they pull this one out tonight to ensure at least a 2-2 West Coast trip.

  7. Veal Scalabrine

    Hello everyone, I’ve long enjoyed the discussion here; figured it was time to introduce myself.

    First, as an avid Knicks fan since 1989, it’s a pleasure to watch this team after a decade of mismanagement and ghastly performance. I love the talent and youth on our roster, and am excited about the brand of basketball they bring to the court. Some initial thoughts:

    -Amare Stoudemire is a stud, period. Notwithstanding the finer points of advanced statistical analysis, he has changed the complexion of what it means to be a Knicks fan in NYC. Beyond his on-court exploits, his leadership has been EXEMPLARY–absolutely pitch-perfect.
    -Wilson Chandler is fantastic, perhaps the most underrated player in the NBA. With his improved outside shot, he’s become a complete baller: great mid-range game, can create his own shot and finish off the dribble, and can score in the post in mismatch situations. Versatile and efficient, he’s almost entirely responsible for rendering a Melo acquisition redundant and unnecessary.
    -Yes, I’ll say it: though I love Melo (I’m a ‘Cuse guy), he should not be in our plans going forward. To use draft analogy, we should prioritize team needs over “best player available”– at least through the end of the year. Like many of you, I genuinely think we’re close to competing with the elite; if, speaking immediate-term, we can acquire the RIGHT big for our system (no easy task), this team can realistically do damage this very postseason. And yes, I would trade Randolph for said big-man (Camby) if necessary. Only exceptions to above philosophy? CP3 or D12.
    -I will also participate in our collective man-crush on Landry Fields. Phenomenal B-ball IQ, polished NBA skills, consistently efficient performance–the player most evocative of the ethos of the championship teams of yore.
    -Finally, Donnie Walsh has earned my unyielding respect and trust. And, all-in-all, you can put me in the D’antoni fan-club.

    Thanks for tolerating my prose-a-thon. Go…

  8. jon abbey

    Portland is a very good home team (that Miami loss was their first at home since November) and on paper, should be hungrier than us since they’re in a dogfight for the playoffs and we’re 6 games ahead of the 7 spot still.

    they’re of course missing Roy from the first meeting, but Aldridge has been a monster recently. I’d like to see Amare posterize Camby once or twice, and hopefully NY can pull one out and guarantee a 2-2 road trip.

  9. art vandelay

    Camby is owed $11 million next year….can’t see it happening…as much as we could use a guy like him…I think if Melo goes elsewhere via extend-and-trade this season that Donnie, as patient as he is (almost excruciatingly, sometimes), will continue to employ a measured approach and not do anything this year that sacrifices the precious cap space next summer….he may fill in the gaps with expiring contracts, but I really don’t expect a big move this year from him barring a melo acquisition at the deadline if melo refuses to sign with NJ or anywhere else. Btw, aren[t we approaching the time (I think in March) when Dolan needs to decide whether to exercise the option on his contract and extend it one additional year? Amazing how we hear not a peep out of him while the knicks are on their best upswing in a decade but when, as a losing squad under .500, we were the 8th said for 1 day I believe, he offered Isiah a new contract and was being over his/their performance.

  10. rohank

    Nick C.: Wow with about 3 inches of snow in the last hour I think I can watch this one. Go Knicks!!!  

    Haha – are you thinking snow day?

  11. Nick C.

    rohank:
    Haha – are you thinking snow day?  

    schools are already closing and last time here in Jersey no trains or buses into NYC. so in the words of Marc Yesssssssss!

  12. Jimmy C

    Second game in a row Amare starts the game forcing the issue. At some point D’Antoni’s gonna have to stop blaming the refs and start reeling Stat in.

  13. art vandelay

    Can’t wait for when the knicks have to play sans STAT once he reaches the max technical threshold and is automatically suspended a game…that should be a fun one!

  14. Jimmy C

    cgreene: Amare needs to stop with that.Bad leadership.Overcome it.  

    You mean jumping up and down and flailing like a prehistoric bird will earn you a T this year? Surely you jest.

  15. Robert Silverman

    art vandelay: Can’t wait for when the knicks have to play sans STAT once he reaches the max technical threshold and is automatically suspended a game…that should be a fun one!  

    That’s when Randolph’s gonna shock the world! (I know, I’m semi-delusional)

  16. Jimmy C

    Is it just me, or are all of Extra E’s misses incredibly bad? I’ve counted seven air balls, three bricks, and four off the side of the backboard so far this year. Then all of his makes break the net.

  17. latke

    Jimmy C: Is it just me, or are all of Extra E’s misses incredibly bad? I’ve counted seven air balls, three bricks, and four off the side of the backboard so far this year. Then all of his makes break the net.  

    Williams is money from the corners. I’d wager that 75% of his made threes are from there. The longer threes often seem to miss badly. Maybe he needs some corrective lenses.

  18. Brian Cronin

    Ha! I was just thinking that, Robert. It was almost like Tina was pleased that it was over, because she knew she was getting nuthin’.

  19. rohank

    Are the portland announcers bothering anyone else?

    Especially the way they keep calling alridge “LA”?

  20. art vandelay

    not just you….as soon as felton and stoudemire seemed to start clicking and master PNR, they decided to scrap it from the playbook…good call!

  21. latke

    That response from Chandler after the 4th foul was the most emotion I’ve ever seen him express on the court.

  22. Doug

    art vandelay: not just you….as soon as felton and stoudemire seemed to start clicking and master PNR, they decided to scrap it from the playbook…good call!  

    Blazers are probably clogging the middle to deny penetration.

  23. art vandelay

    Camby owns STAT defensively….we have now seen this 2x this year….STAT need to take the midrange jumper and stop forcing shots on him….or put up a pump fake….anyone ever seen STAT try to get the defender up in the air…don’t think he ever does that.

  24. scogg888

    rohank: Are the portland announcers bothering anyone else?Especially the way they keep calling alridge “LA”?  

    On the contrary, I think the Portland announcers are quite funny. One of them, I think the color guy, genuinely seems to be an angry person and his sarcastic comments keep making me laugh. When Camby fell on the baseline cameraman he remarked that it was a good thing because the cameraman was ‘cocky.’

  25. scogg888

    We closed out the last two minutes of that quarter really well, here’s to finishing strong. Felton playing a lot better than he was against the lakers

  26. art vandelay

    As soon as I saw that Knicks crew of 5 go out there to start the quarter I knew the lead would be relinquished somewhat…just hoping they wouldn’t be down by the time STAT and felton re-entered….I don’t understand why they never feature Chandler when they don’t have the other two in the ballgame…he is excellent at getting to the rim and finishing or drawing fouls…unfortunately, they don’t seem to capitalize on this ability of his.

  27. Brian Cronin

    The Blazers are making some of the dumbest decisions on offense imaginable. Who the hell tries to throw an alley-oop into coverage?!?!

  28. Thomas B.

    Brian Cronin: The Blazers are making some of the dumbest decisions on offense imaginable. Who the hell tries to throw an alley-oop into coverage?!?!  

    Besides Toney Douglas?

  29. Brian Cronin

    But again, that’s two straight “Oh my god what the hell were you thinking, you moron??!” plays from Aldridge. Trying to go behind his back at the free throw line!?!?

  30. scogg888

    love the oop, the knicks are playing the best defense I’ve seen them play in a long time, very active

  31. Brian Cronin

    Besides Toney Douglas?

    Ha!

    True, true. Imagine a team filled with decision-makers like Toney, though. That was the Blazers these last few possessions.

  32. d-mar

    You could create an entire Knicks highlight reel of great passes just from tonight’s game, really a joy to watch.

  33. rama

    Not too many things in basketball more beautiful than a smoothly run fast break finished with a dunk. Yowza!

  34. Thomas B.

    Gotta feel for Portland. They were supposed to be a dominant team in the West, but without Oden and Roy…

  35. latke

    My god — end of the third quarter and the lakers have more than double the points of the cavs… 92-41. They are going to set some records tonight. The cavs are looking at scoring about 55 points.

  36. scogg888

    What a game, I’m really glad to see we can do this without Gallo in the lineup. Also, if Felton keeps up the way he is playing, and I don’t see why he wouldn’t…forget about chris paul or dwill…I realize they are some of the great players in the league but Felton is going to be much cheaper and does not have the injury history paul has, and if he isn’t an all-star this year I’m going to be really disappointed

  37. Jimmy C

    If we put together spurts like that a few times a game, we’re tough to beat. Still woeful on the boards, but you can see everyone clicking a little more every game. It’s fun to see a team that genuinely likes playing together.

    Nice win. On to Mormonland.

  38. ltmurray

    Even Portland’s broadcasters seemed legitimately impressed by the end of the game. First thing I heard them say was “The Knicks can’t play D” and it went from there in the first half. But by the end of the game, they were pretty much like, “damn.”

  39. Z-man

    Beautiful win. We never let Portland take the initiative for more than a few minutes. Turiaf looked like a decent starting center tonight, but I wouldn’t count on him playing that way on a regular basis.

  40. jon abbey

    wow, that was another impressive win, and even better, they’re doing it in different ways. the assist disparity (27-8!), holding them to 36 points in the second half, keeping them off the offensive boards in the second half, it’s remarkable how quickly this team has come together.

    I’m expecting a L in Utah tomorrow (although I’d be happy to be wrong), but then SAC/PHO at home should be relatively easy. I’m almost to the point where I’m rooting for Charlotte over Chicago tomorrow, but not quite yet. :)

  41. Aharon

    On espn’s box score, it says that AR didn’t play because of “flu-like symptoms”. So that’s why he didn’t play? :)

  42. Z

    I hope Turiaf sets a new season high in points and rebounds tomorrow just so they will interview him some more.

  43. Ben R

    I have noticed something interesting recently. It seemed we were always getting killed on the boards in the first quarter, so I checked to see if it was just my imagination and its not. We are getting outrebounded much worse in the first quarter than the other three quarters combined.

    Rebound differentual
    1st Quarters:
    -85
    Quarters 2-4 combined:
    -26

    It isn’t a recent trend it has been consistantly worse in the first quarter since the beginning of the season. I don’t know what it is. Is it something we can fix? If we could get our rebounding differentual in the 1st quarter in line with the rest of the quarters it would put our rebound differentual at about one per game instead of 3 per game. Is it an in game adjustment that D’Antoni makes, is it our lineups in the first quarter (even though those have changed over the course of the season and the disparity hasn’t), or is it just a weird coincidence?

    If we can figure out what changes after the first quarter maybe we can fix a major problem.

  44. Brian Cronin

    Question – with the way Turiaf dominated Aldridge defensively, why the heck did he barely get off of the bench in the Laker game?

  45. Brian Cronin

    Two quick bits about the Melo-drama…

    1. I thought it was hilarious that Amar’e texted Melo to let him know that he still wants him to come to the Knicks. I knew those Amar’e quotes pissed Melo off big time.

    2. It’s even more hilarious how much Melo’s agent wants this deal to happen now. The dude works off of a commission, and the Nets deal is perfect for him.

  46. jaylamerique

    Brian Cronin: Question – with the way Turiaf dominated Aldridge defensively, why the heck did he barely get off of the bench in the Laker game?  

    that was more of a spacing issue. Even if Turiaf guarded Bynum there still would’ve been a match up problem. By playing Shawne Williams you create a good matchup on the other end of the floor. It forced Bynum to guard Amar’e, which would usually work in the knicks favor if Amar’e was playing well

  47. d-mar

    What really impresses me about the Knicks in games like this is their mental toughness. When the Blazers went up by 1 in the 3rd quarter, they had a lot of momentum and a very loud home crowd urging them on. But if you look at the Knicks faces and body language, they look calm and confident, and before you know it, they’re back up by 9 again. I think a lot of it flows from Felton, who is just a tough SOB who tunes out the crowd and just goes about his business. (btw, his assist/TO ratio was infinity last night) And what is more satisfying to a player than sending a crowd home early?

    In a lot of ways, that was one of their most impressive wins of the season, the Blazers aren’t the best team they’ve beaten, but the way they clamped down defensively and didn’t rely on the 3-ball, as Z-man pointed out, made this one really special.

  48. Z-man

    Yeah, d-mar, when is the last time we had a team that throws down as many nasty slams, especially in transition, as this group, not to mention the physical play and the resounding blocks? We have a really nice combo of power and finesse, and though we come up short against the truly elite teams for now, we are definitely more than just a gimmicky SSoL team.

  49. JK47

    Felton-Fields-Chandler-Stoudemire-Turiaf is not a bad defensive lineup, especially when Turiaf is snagging 10 boards (9 defensive). Obviously Ronny T is not going to be pulling down 10 boards on a regular basis, but last night’s game showed what kind of team we COULD be if we had a solid C who could deliver that sort of production consistently. Very balanced performance– Felton outplayed Miller, Fields outplayed Matthews, Chandler outplayed Batum, Stoudemire outplayed Aldridge and Turiaf outplayed Camby.

  50. endyendy

    d-mar: What really impresses me about the Knicks in games like this is their mental toughness. When the Blazers went up by 1 in the 3rd quarter, they had a lot of momentum and a very loud home crowd urging them on. But if you look at the Knicks faces and body language, they look calm and confident, and before you know it, they’re back up by 9 again. I think a lot of it flows from Felton, who is just a tough SOB who tunes out the crowd and just goes about his business. (btw, his assist/TO ratio was infinity last night) And what is more satisfying to a player than sending a crowd home early?
    In a lot of ways, that was one of their most impressive wins of the season, the Blazers aren’t the best team they’ve beaten, but the way they clamped down defensively and didn’t rely on the 3-ball, as Z-man pointed out, made this one really special.  

    This is the biggest thing I’ve noticed this year, as well. Obviously the talent level has improved, but the fact that the Knicks are responding to adversity, whether it be losing a lead or losing a few games in a row, by stepping up and playing harder is what makes this team seem most different from those in recent years.

    Also, #9 in the Hollinger rankings. Cracked the top 10.

  51. d-mar

    Doing a little twist on Brian’s “unsung Knick history” I was thinking about this: what if the Knicks had taken Jennings instead of Hill in 2009? He would probably be our PG today, and Felton would probably be elsewhere. At this point, Felton is light years better than Jennings, and with Jennings running this team, there’s no way we’re 22-15. Just a thought….

  52. Caleb

    @115 I dunno about light-years – Jennings is pretty good, aside from his shooting. Call it – 20-17? Of course ths Knicks would have had an extra $5 million for the FA and trade market… And a more alluring trade piece for Chris Paul…

    what am I saying! This isn’t 2007! We don’t need to cry over Rajon Rondo and Joakim Noah and LaMarcus Aldridge and Eddy Curry’s diet! We have a good team!

    @109 I’m flabbergasted at Leon Rose’s apparent behavior. Looking for his commission a few months early (and of course the bigger money that comes with an extension) – and trying to help Hamilton at the same time. I guess you can’t blame a guy for trying, but Carmelo just hired him – he must realize that his agent is not really helping him, right? I guess part of it could be that the deal has never been as close as reported, that Rose is still floating ideas, not leaning on Carmelo, but that some team (my guess: the Nets) is leaking like a sieve.

  53. Thomas B.

    Nov 29, 2007 the Celtics beat the Knicks by 45 points 104 to 59 in Boston.
    January 11, 2011 the Lakers beat the Cavs by 55 112 to 57 in L.A.

    Is it just me or did the Knick loss get way more ESPN air time than the Cavs loss? I think it was the lead story on SC that night. Everyone was talking about it. The 2007/8 Knicks were as bad as the 2010/11 Cavs. Now the payroll was about 45 million dollars different. And I think the Knick game was on National TV that night, Lakers Cavs was not.

    But why do the Cavs get a break when they lose by 55 but the Knicks get killed when they lose by 45?

  54. MSA

    If the Knicks had taken Jennings we would be in the same situation right now.

    DW probably would have sent him to the Rockets for cap space.

  55. Thomas B.

    http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/01/12/why-are-the-nuggets-ignoring-the-knicks/

    Chandler, meanwhile, is averaging 18 points and nearly seven rebounds per game and he’s shooting 49 percent from the field and 37.5 percent from three-point range. He’s 23, improving across the board and can credibly guard at least three positions. Gallinari is 22 and a proven three-point ace, and he was getting to the line like a monster before tweaking his knee. He’s also a better defender than most realize. Fields leads all guards in rebounding, and though he’ll be out of position on an occassional pick-and-roll and crash the offensive glass a bit recklessly, this is a rookie averaging 10-and-7 and connecting on 52 percent overall and 37 percent from deep. He’s also scheduled to make the minimum salary for second-year players next season.

    Those all sound like really good reasons not to trade those guys for Melo.

  56. JK47

    And right on cue, LeDouche tweets about the Cavs loss, basically saying that karma is a bitch. Classy guy, that “King James” is.

    You’re right, LeDouche. Karma is a bitch. May some come your way very soon.

  57. Thomas B.

    JK47:

    And right on cue, LeDouche tweets about the Cavs loss, basically saying that karma is a bitch. Classy guy, that “King James” is.

    You’re right, LeDouche. Karma is a bitch. May some come your way very soon.  

    (Quote)

    No this about LBJ and Dan Gilbert’s nasty open letter after LBJ announced he was leaving. Gilbert was very wrong to write that note, perhaps this loss was karma for what Gilber wrote.

    Like Gilbert wouldnt tweet if Miami losses to the Knicks in the ECF after LBJ goes 3-19 with 6 turnovers in the deciding game 7–won on a Fields put back of a Stoudamire drive with 1.6 left to play.

  58. Caleb

    @119 Derrick Favors, two or more first-rounders and dumping Billups’ deal? And Petro? Denver’s rookie GM probably can’t believe he’s not dreaming.

    If the Knicks were really willing to give up, say, Randolph, Chandler, Fields and a 2014 pick – then I guess it might be a tough decision. But honestly – is that reality? All this stuff about what the Knicks would be willing to give up – I’d bet they’re desperate leaks from the Nuggets side, trying to prop up the Nets offer.

    Donnie Walsh might be more of a basketball traditionalist than me – he’s probably higher on Carmelo than I am – but he doesn’t talk shop with reporters, and he drives a hard bargain. He’s got a team headed for 45-50 wins, with 4 of its top 6 guys age 22 or younger – plus cap space. Why is he under any pressure to make a deal? He can maybe sign Carmelo for about $7 million less this summer, and not give up anything. If it doesn’t work out, it’s not a once in a lifetime opportunity, like LeBron. Or Dwight Howard in a year.

    The most I could see him giving up is Randolph + Chandler or Gallo – on the theory that D’Antoni won’t play Randolph anyway, and Carmelo is an upgrade from either of the two guys who plays the same position. Seriously, why give up more?

  59. JK47

    @121 True enough, and Gilbert is definitely a tool. Still a douchey move on LBJ’s part, but I guess that’s to be expected.

  60. latke

    Caleb — I’m pretty sure that will be his final offer — perhaps gallo/randolph and 2014 pick or chandler/randolph. I also have a very strong suspicion that the NJ rumors may all be hogwash — an attempt to drive up ‘melo’s value. Melo seems to have been pretty consistent about the NYK or bust thing, and that leaves Denver no leverage other than what a team would be willing to give up to rent him.

  61. JK47

    @122

    If I’m Melo, I’m extremely wary of this whole Nets situation. I’m sure they’re implicitly promising him that Chris Paul will eventually join the team, but is Melo willing to sign with the Nets, who are certain to be worse than Melo’s current Nuggets team both this year and next? And what if it doesn’t pan out with CP3 for some reason? Signing with the Nets seems like a very risky move. I mean, they suck!

    For better or for worse– and I’m slightly leaning to the side of those who think it’s for the worse– I think Melo is going to be a Knick when this is all said and done.

  62. Z-man

    122 & 124 If I were Walsh, I would give up Chandler before Gallo. Chandler’s skill-set is more like Melo, his contract situation is a concern, and the Chandler at PF thing will not work vs. elite teams. I honestly think that Mozgov would benefit by being on the floor with Melo and Amare, Gallo could spell the 2,3,and 4, Amare could continue to split time at the 4 and 5, and we can find a rebounder-enforcer-Joel Anthony type and a back-up PG somewhere. I won’t be heartbroken if we lose one of Gallo, WC or Fields, or if we don’t get Melo, but would absolutely hate it if we gave up more than one of those 3 young’uns. I also wouldn’t mind that much if TD were included as a sweetener in the deal.

  63. Brian Cronin

    It’s maddening to think that they would seriously trade two of Chandler, Gallo and Fields for Melo.

    And the notion that articles have to be written to explain that two of those three players plus a draft pick is actually a great deal? Even more insane.

  64. Caleb

    I don’t see Walsh gutting the team for Carmelo, so to me it comes down to the money.

    If we sign him to a 3-year $65 million extension, we’ll live to regret it.

    If we sign him as a FA this summer to a LeBron-like deal (starting in the $14 million range) I could see it working out pretty well. That would mean letting go at least one of our young prospects (probably Chandler, since he’s the first one due big money) so if we do it as a trade now, it doesn’t bother me.

  65. ess-dog

    @122,
    Agree 100%. You have to figure in a sign and trade come July, Denver will at least get one first round pick or AR. So to make it worth their while, we can give them that plus the Curry cap space plus a replacement small forward for Carmelo at the trade deadline.
    Hell, I think AR as a pick, Curry and Shawne is a credible offer. Otherwise, let’s just mutually agree with Melo to wait this thing out.

  66. d-mar

    Brian Cronin: It’s maddening to think that they would seriously trade two of Chandler, Gallo and Fields for Melo.
    And the notion that articles have to be written to explain that two of those three players plus a draft pick is actually a great deal? Even more insane.  

    I agree, all we hear over and over is that the Knicks don’t have the “assets” to get Melo. If you go by the rookie rankings, Fields is the 2nd best rookie this year, would you rather have him or a future draft pick? And is Favors’ future really guaranteed to be brighter than Gallo’s or Chandler’s? If I’m Denver I engage in talks with the Knicks and stop playing this game of “they don’t have players we’re interested in”

  67. Jafa

    Z-man: 122 & 124 If I were Walsh, I would give up Chandler before Gallo.Chandler’s skill-set is more like Melo, his contract situation is a concern, and the Chandler at PF thing will not work vs. elite teams. I honestly think that Mozgov would benefit by being on the floor with Melo and Amare, Gallo could spell the 2,3,and 4, Amare could continue to split time at the 4 and 5, and we can find a rebounder-enforcer-Joel Anthony type and a back-up PG somewhere  

    If I were Walsh, I would give up Gallo before Chandler.

    Gallo right now brings excellent 3 point shooting, dribble penetration that usually ends at the FT line, to go with excellent FT shooting and moderate defense and low turnovers. He is weak at finishing at the rim and not quick enough to guard 2s.

    Chandler right now brings excellent dribble penetration, excellent finishing, good mid-range shot, good 3 point shooting, versatility (2, 3 & 4 spot) and good defense. He can also come off the bench and give you consistent offensive production, while Gallo’s offensive production is quite volatile.

    If you give up Chandler, then you are playing Melo at the 4 spot (out of position) next to Amare (a defensive nightmare that will probably see Amare in foul trouble a lot while trying to help out on Melo’s and Gallo’s man – think Howard in Orlando), and will still lack offensive output off the bench.

    If you give up Gallo, then you are playing Melo at the 3 spot (his position) while giving up some 3 point proficiency, although you could recoup this by picking up a one-dimensional 3 point shooter (there seems to always be one available).

    I read somewhere that Mike D’s offense needs 2 essential ingredients – great PG and PF/C to work. All the other positions are interchangeable and Melo, while and upgrade over our wings, is a luxury and not a necessity. So, if I’m…

  68. Z

    @122 I wonder if it’s possible Donnie Walsh agrees with many posters here that Carmelo is over rated and not a good fit here. Is it possible that he is hoping for Anthony to be dealt elsewhere, all the while hoping the media keeps buying the “Denver doesn’t want any of the Knick players” line?

    I think he’d face a lot of criticism if it was known that he voluntarily passed on Anthony, allowing Carmelo to go to Brooklyn. But if he can somehow dodge it, perhaps he knows that the Knicks will be the better for it in the long run.

    @125 Jersey is the only real option for Melo (if the Knicks aren’t interested in paying the price of acquiring him) because his wife wants to live in NY. I think she’s the one driving his decision making, probably even more than Leon Rose.

  69. Z-man

    Jafa,
    I think Gallo, like Chandler, can play the 3 or 4, especially as he fills out with age. He can probably play some at the 2 as well in a giant line-up.

  70. latke

    Z-man: Chandler’s skill-set is more like Melo, his contract situation is a concern, and the Chandler at PF thing will not work vs. elite teams

    The problem is that you probably have either Gallo or ‘Melo as your power forward if the knicks move chandler for ‘Melo. I suppose you could argue that gallo can play power forward, but since MDA has never put him in that position, it’s tough to say.

  71. Brian Cronin

    The problem is that you probably have either Gallo or ‘Melo as your power forward if the knicks move chandler for ‘Melo. I suppose you could argue that gallo can play power forward, but since MDA has never put him in that position, it’s tough to say.

    Didn’t Gallo play a lot of 4 just last season?

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