yoda4554: WS/48 has him at .128 for his career, which is only slightly above average. It’s really not that hard of an argument to make. The overall stats that value high-volume scoring without much attention to efficiency like him, but those that aren’t as impressed don’t. His scoring efficiency has been pretty consistently average, in the 54% zone, and particularly since he’s played most of his career with high-effiency teammates who’ve maintained their efficiency just fine without him suggests his scoring’s not really helping his teammates score. He has made himself a good rebounder for a 3, and can be a good passer when he wants to be, but whatever advantages those bring, along with the volume scoring, are largely canceled out by his below-average defense, leaving overall averageness (or slightly above). I do think it’s kind of damning that Denver’s defense (and team overall) vastly improved when he left, and that several of the players in NY have gotten starkly worse offensively since his arrival (especially Stoudemire and Fields).

Denver hasn’t improved. The entire team struggled during the Melo trade talk period. They were bruning off a lot of steam after the trade. When you look at how Denver performed with a somehwat healthy team from 2008 to 2010, their winning percentage and offensive and defensive efficiency were quite comparable.

Nene and Aflallo’s efficiency are down quite a bit post-trade. Those were the two guys who shared the most minutes with Melo. We both know Amar’e and to a lesser extent Fields have struggled becuase of the pg issue.

Spree8: Yes, I was watching the game..as painfully as it was. I like Shump’s fearless mentality, but I think it’s a good indication to start looking at other options out there on the court when you bricked your first 5 shots.I really don’t see how much worse it could get. Unless the players encourage him to take more shots (I am pretty sure the coach did not). His plays seem a little selfish out there today to be frank.

ok, I just wasn’t seeing those other options. obviously he took a handful of bad shots, but it seemed like every time NY tried to get into a halfcourt offense, Memphis jumped the passing lanes, stole the ball and dunked it. a really bad matchup for us even without Randolph, glad we don’t see them again.

ruruland: I hear that. But I’d like to know what total valuation metric, or what combination of metrics this character would use to make the claim that the aformentioned player is average.

WS/48 has him at .128 for his career, which is only slightly above average. It’s really not that hard of an argument to make. The overall stats that value high-volume scoring without much attention to efficiency like him, but those that aren’t as impressed don’t. His scoring efficiency has been pretty consistently average, in the 54% zone, and particularly since he’s played most of his career with high-effiency teammates who’ve maintained their efficiency just fine without him suggests his scoring’s not really helping his teammates score. He has made himself a good rebounder for a 3, and can be a good passer when he wants to be, but whatever advantages those bring, along with the volume scoring, are largely canceled out by his below-average defense, leaving overall averageness (or slightly above). I do think it’s kind of damning that Denver’s defense (and team overall) vastly improved when he left, and that several of the players in NY have gotten starkly worse offensively since his arrival (especially Stoudemire and Fields).

Thomas B.: scathing

so what? r u saying 20 equals 20?

nicos: You can find it here: http://wagesofwins.com/wins-produced/how-to-calculate-wins-produced/
You should now by better informed than 90% of the GMs in the league!

thx …

jon abbey: but were you actually watching? Melo was getting his shots, he would have had a fine game if he didn’t get hurt. Amare couldn’t do a damn thing against Gasol, he could have shot thirty times and not hit five of them. Shumpert took a few bad shots, but he missed a bunch of perfectly fine looks, and everyone else on the floor besides Melo looked clinically dead until garbage time.

Yes, I was watching the game..as painfully as it was. I like Shump’s fearless mentality, but I think it’s a good indication to start looking at other options out there on the court when you bricked your first 5 shots. I really don’t see how much worse it could get. Unless the players encourage him to take more shots (I am pretty sure the coach did not). His plays seem a little selfish out there today to be frank.

d-mar:
Hahn summing up perfectly what it’s like to watch the Knicks on TNT:

“Tough watching national broadcast. Analysts have shallow info on teams. No real feel for recent trends. No real perspective.’

YES! glad someone said this.

You like Ds? I gots you some Ds.

d-mar:
Hahn summing up perfectly what it’s like to watch the Knicks on TNT:

“Tough watching national broadcast. Analysts have shallow info on teams. No real feel for recent trends. No real perspective.’

perspective is out the window when someone hands u a buck. who can blame the receiver?

tenebrous:
where do we find this david barri formula? google is not showing this simple formula

You can find it here: http://wagesofwins.com/wins-produced/how-to-calculate-wins-produced/
You should now by better informed than 90% of the GMs in the league!