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Friday, October 31, 2014

2010 Game Thread: Warriors at Knicks

In the first quarter, the Knicks are down 28-22.

Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who’s the most dysfunctional team of them all?

80 comments on “2010 Game Thread: Warriors at Knicks

  1. Robert Silverman

    With Duhon’s ineptitude, no one’s been talking about how awful Chandler’s looked this year. Where’s the explosiveness/atheticism?

  2. Robert Silverman

    Ess, I think you and I are the only ones watching this debacle. Or rather other forum-ites have chopped off their own fingers so they wouldn’t notice the pain on the TV screen.

  3. Kevin McElroy

    Robert-

    Me! Me! I’ve been talking about how awful Chandler’s looked!

    Either he doesn’t understand his skill set, they don’t understand how to use him, or neither he nor Walshtoni gives a crap. He’s killing me though.

  4. Robert Silverman

    That you have, Kevin. Hope you’re feeling ok.

    W/r/t Chandy, Tripucka (who really does look more and more like Herman Munster every day) has suggested that he still hasn’t recovered from offseason ankle surgery. I mean, ’08-’09 Will certainly would have thrown down that 2nd Q dunk.

    If so, it beggars the question, why do the Knicks’ injuries always seem to take longer to heal than expected?

  5. Robert Silverman

    Hey! The Knicks are one thing, but I won’t tolerate any bad-mouthing of Miss Mariah Carey! That woman is a saint, I tell you. An absolute saint!!

  6. Robert Silverman

    You know, I thought if Mikki Moore and Jordan Hill were ever on a basketball court at the same time, the combined power of their flowing dreadlocks would cause the universe to collapse upon itself. Guess I was wrong. Go figure.

  7. ess-dog

    That’s wild – Jordan Hill did something really interesting there. He jumped up in front of the opposing player and raised his hand upward and kind of “swiped” at the shot… what was that???

  8. Thomas B.

    add Balkman to that an the space time continum will cease to be.

    Speaking of space and time. How cool would it be to be like that guy from Quantum Leap? WE could just keep leaping until we found a universe in which the Knicks don’t stink.

  9. cav0011

    That’s wild – Jordan Hill did something really interesting there. He jumped up in front of the opposing player and raised his hand upward and kind of “swiped” at the shot… what was that???

    I believe thats called “the wave” its popular amongst little league teams :P

  10. cav0011

    for a second I thought the knicks had in a lineup without a player i hate. then i noticed harrington.

  11. d-mar

    I am so disgusted with this team I can’t take it. I sent my son to the game with 3 friends and he has to sit and watch this crap. Does any team in the NBA play worse on the ball defense? I really think the NBA record for losses (73) may be in jeapordy.

  12. cav0011

    That’s wild – Jordan Hill did something really interesting there. He jumped up in front of the opposing player and raised his hand upward and kind of “swiped” at the shot… what was that???

    I think darko just did that thing Hill did….Is it possible?

  13. DRed

    Just got in-I take it we’re lucky to be only down six? Should be interesting to see how our latest comeback will fall short in the end.

  14. tastycakes

    He played a solid 5 minutes at the start of the second half. Hit a few jumpers. A dunk converted in transition. Pretty good energy. So naturally we took him out.

  15. BigBlueAL

    Just got home so thankfully didnt get to watch this debacle, but just looked at the box score (shockingly another good game for Gallo) and noticed a DNP for Steph Curry????

  16. tastycakes

    David Lee has his shot blocked by Stephen Curry in extended garbage time, the two start jawing. Poor David is gonna need psychological treatment to make it through this year.

  17. BK

    Anyone notice that David Lee has turned into Jared Jeffries with his inability to hold onto the ball, except Jeffries at least knows how to take a charge? The coaching staff should replay that Curry block on an endless loop to remind him of how awful he’s been lately.

    As usual, some interesting signs of life (Jordan Hill especially), but mostly horrible defense and no chemistry. I think we all know when the Nets are getting their first win, folks.

  18. Sandy

    Wow.

    Lee can’t guard anyone.
    Duhon can’t hit a shot.
    Harrington can’t pass or even handle the ball.
    Nate and Chandler can’t play at a high (or even mid-level) IQ

    When this team looks bad, everyone looks bad.

    The Knicks can’t play defense. Can someone tell me how many times a GSW player saw Lee between him and the basket, drove right at Lee, Lee backed off and the player layed the ball in. His value is plummeting faster than … i don’t even know. The Knicks are bad and look lost. Real bad. How do you go down by 17 to this terrible, dysfunctional GSW team!

    Also how many times will Clyde make that DUMB comment about how a player being allowed to take an extra step this year has changed the game. It has always been played that way and the player is simply taking two steps after picking up his dribble. I think Clyde i senile! Time to go sleep this one off…

  19. Robert Silverman

    Owen – Jordan Hill played well. Hit a couple of jumpers. Blocked a shot. Got a fastbreak dunk. He also picked up 4 fouls in 7 mins, which is why MD’A yanked him.

    Duhon made his first shot in 3 games, but still looked utterly horrid.

    DLee was pissed/listless. Hard to get rebounds when the other team shoots 58%

    Another great game for Gallo, though why he didn’t play more in the 2nd half is beyond me.

    Chandler still looks lost.

    Harrington had his moments. He’s also getting whacked pretty much every time he drives to the hoop and really NEVER gets the call, make or miss.

    Toney Douglas played solid, hustled on d for the most part.

    And now, this team is off to the worst start in NY b-ball history. Congrats guys! If you’re gonna stink, stink epically.

  20. Sandy

    Also, we are not able to handle any kind of a offensive spurt by another team. We have no mental fortitude. Most teams go on that one 12-0 run that seems to knock the knicks out of the game. There is no leadership. I never imagined we could start off this bad. Please…Please start playing the young guys and hughes. Bring the rest off the bench until they have earned it.

  21. BigBlueAL

    This season has come down to hoping Gallo stays healthy the entire season and praying that somehow they can unload either Jeffries’ or Curry’s contract.

    Actually maybe if Curry comes back and looks good he could have some value for the Knicks next season but if they can somehow trade Jeffries and like I said Gallo gets through the entire season healthy as he has already proven how good a player he is and will be in the future then we can just hope the Jazz dont wind up with the #1 pick to add more salt on the wounds.

  22. Robert Silverman

    I know it’s been repeated/speculated upon ad nauseum, but how in the hell does Gallinari only take/get 10 shots in this game? He had a very Dirk-like post up/fadeaway jumper in the 3rd. Since no one over 6’8″ was guarding him all game, one might think they’d repeat this particular play. I have a feeling (it’s a feeling mind you, since I haven’t actually witnessed it happening) that Gallo’d make a nifty passer out of the high/low post.

  23. d-mar

    Just watched D’Antoni’s press conference. He looks like a beaten man, they better keep sharp objects away from him.

    This would be much easier to take if we had our draft pick this year, instead, it’s pure basketball fan hell.

  24. Z

    “we can just hope the Jazz dont wind up with the #1 pick to add more salt on the wounds.”

    Honestly, it would be fitting closure to the Isiah legacy.

    I think it’s destined to happen– to cleanse us of our sins– so we may begin anew in 2010…

  25. BigBlueAL

    Im telling you once Gallo is surrounded by real teammates his game will go to another level. Unfortunately he is playing with a bunch of ball-hogging, shitty players.

    Also another note Douglas and Hill will not make us forget Jennings or Lawson but they both have looked pretty good when they have gotten some minutes. If they end the season showing they can be solid rotation players the Knicks young core (not counting Chandler) may not be as bad as most think. Gallo is a future stud (again especially once he gets some real teammates) and the rookies from this year do have some promise and look like they can be solid rotation players in the future. They dont have anywhere near Gallo’s upside but thats fine too.

  26. BigBlueAL

    ” This would be much easier to take if we had our draft pick this year, instead, it’s pure basketball fan hell. ”

    Amen.

  27. Sandy

    Maybe its not a bad thing that half of our players are on their last year. We need to get rid of a lot of dead-weight and players who haven’t been winners for a long time. Our young core needs to develop together and without the influences of a lot of players on the current roster. Not that any of them are bad guys (tough to root for the Warriors these days), but they just don’t know how to win ball games.

  28. Robert Silverman

    Yeah, I was going to watch the MD’A show, but I decided to watch all 12 hours of “Shoah” instead. I figured it would be less depressing.

  29. Z

    I think the Mike D’Antoni show comes on after Knick games as a rebuttal– just to make the case that he’s not as inept in practice as he is in games.

  30. d-mar

    BBA – I agree that Gallo, Douglas and Hill have shown some promise, but unless a Curry or Jeffries contract dump miracle occurs, the Knicks are going to have to convince a top flight FA that they can be contenders next year. That could be a hard sell if the Knicks go 12-70 there are plenty of other teams with cap room.

    On another note, watched the Hawks beat up on the Celts in Boston, very impressive win. I’m becoming more and more impressed with Joe Johnson the more I watch him.

  31. BigBlueAL

    Yeah dumping one of their contracts will make this season a success regardless of their horrible record.

    BUT if they cant if they sign one max FA and not add anyone else in the following off-season they again will be way under the cap again, granted there could be a lockout/strike but still they would have alot of roster flexibility again plus their #1 pick in 2011. Of course I dunno how many of us can take another losing season….

  32. Brian Cronin

    If the Dallas Mavericks can build an offense around Dirk, why don’t the Knicks build their offense about Gallo, who is clearly the best offensive weapon the Knicks have?

  33. Robert Silverman

    “If the Dallas Mavericks can build an offense around Dirk, why don’t the Knicks build their offense about Gallo, who is clearly the best offensive weapon the Knicks have?”

    The short answer is that Dirk’s had a pg who could get him the freaking ball. Nash, Terry, Kidd, even Robert freaking Pack is better than C-Du these days.

  34. BK

    Brian, I hoped the team would be more structured around Gallo’s strengths as a shooter and passer this year. But we have to remember he’s effectively continuing his rookie year, with as little time as he got last season. Also, Gallo hasn’t exactly helped his own cause in a few of the early games with his tentativeness and his shot selection. I did think today was one of his best efforts in terms of the range of skills he showed on both ends of the floor.

    Unfortunately, what also may be happening is the veterans may not be fully ready to cede control of the offense to someone that hasn’t “proven” themself. But I agree with everyone that Gallo needs more touches. And since the veterans have been useless, the youth movement may as well go into full effect. If the guys in their contract years can’t find Gallo for shots, let Douglas, Hill and Landry be the ones to play and defer to Gallo for control of the offense.

  35. Z

    “Unfortunately, what also may be happening is the veterans may not be fully ready to cede control of the offense to someone that hasn’t “proven” themself.”

    1-9.

    Worst start in franchise history.

    I think the veterans would cede the offense to Marcus Landry if it would win a game…

    Besides, they’ve pretty much ceded control of the offense to Toney Douglas after just a few games.

  36. BK

    Z, at this point, the veterans better be willing to do anything if they don’t want cafeteria duty after this season.

    But they’ve “ceded control” to Douglas only because Toney controls the ball and isn’t shy about shooting quickly. They still can’t seem to find Gallo on a lot of possessions, which sure seems odd since there aren’t that many 6’10” Italians competing for attention on the floor.

  37. jon abbey

    the defense being unbelievably awful isn’t really surprising to me, although D’Antoni being allergic to playing Darko is inexplicable to me.

    the thing I can’t get past is how terribly stagnant the offense is, it’s like D’Antoni doesn’t even care.

  38. Brian Cronin

    it’s like D’Antoni doesn’t even care.

    The treatment of Chandler and Gallo certainly seem to suggest that take on the situation.

    Rarely do you have two more “correctable” players in your rotation (don’t let Chandler shoot from the outside, insist that Gallo leads the team in shot attempts) and not have either of them get corrected (while on the other hand, I can admit that Duhon’s problems are less something that a coach can fix).

  39. Ted Nelson

    Hate to say I called it in this case, but the Knicks are a worse running team than the Warriors. The Knicks are a worse running team than pretty much every NBA team. The one thing I will say is that things would be so much different on Knickerblogger if the Knicks were actually good. I don’t know what we would do… They stink and we talk about it, that’s just the way it goes. Starting to sound like Robert with the LeBron post.

    Robert, I’ve been talking about how bad Chandler is for 2 years. I even bore myself talking about it, so at this point I’ve pretty much given up. He was bad his rookie season, he was bad last season, and he’s bad this season. I see a pattern, so I’m not very surprised that he’s bad this season. Injured or not, Chandler never took the ball to the basket. Duhon is epically worse than his career average (not even that high a bar), so that’s a surprise to me. At this point I’m even becoming used to the 1-7 and 0-300 nights from Duhon…

    “We need to get rid of a lot of dead-weight and players who haven’t been winners for a long time. Our young core needs to develop together and without the influences of a lot of players on the current roster.”

    I was going to say that this quote would be appropriate to describe the Knicks’ situation anytime since Van Gundy quit, but then I realized that they didn’t even have a young core for like two seasons after that… and that “core” was Sweetney, Frank Williams, DerMarr Johnson, Bruno Sundov, and Cezary Trybanski. Anyway, kind of funny that this has been the perpetual state of the Knicks since the Isiah era began. At least now the contracts are expiring.

    “Yeah dumping one of their contracts will make this season a success regardless of their horrible record.”

    True. Unfortunately, it’s more would make than will make at this point.

  40. Ted Nelson

    You have to think a core/starting line-up of Lee, Hill, Gallo, Landry, and Douglas could have gone 1-9 through those 10 games, so the Knicks really don’t have TOO much to lose by just playing them… Although, a little hot stretch could get Jeffries, Curry, Duhon, or Harrington traded in a deal that helps the team. So I think you stick with this BS for at least half the season.

    “If the Dallas Mavericks can build an offense around Dirk, why don’t the Knicks build their offense about Gallo, who is clearly the best offensive weapon the Knicks have?”

    I think they will start to build their offense around Danilo. He’s only 21, though, so it’s going to take some time. Dirk’s usage rate his 21 years old season (also his 2nd season in the league) was 21.2, Danilo’s is 19.7 through 10 games and you have to figure they’ll start featuring him more as the season painfully goes on. Dirk played on a 40 win team, so it’s not a completely comparable situation but shows that their development curves are right in line.

    The big problem is that D’Antoni’s whole coaching philosophy, as I understand it, is to let players do what they want and shot early and often. I think it’s somewhat dog eat dog. Toney Douglas can get a lot of shots because he has the ball in his hands being a backcourt player. Harrington just doesn’t pass the ball, ever. Chandler is only a little better about passing than Al. Danilo may be one of the few guys actually trying to move the ball around and play smart basketball, and as a result some jerk-off forces a bad shot before it ever gets back to him.

    “the defense being unbelievably awful isn’t really surprising to me, although D’Antoni being allergic to playing Darko is inexplicable to me.”

    Would you believe that four NBA teams have been worse defensively thus far than the Knicks? (Me either.)
    I would also have liked to see Darko get some run. D’Antoni has to know that he desperately needs interior defense, though, so if he’s not playing him it may be a sign that he’s really that bad. Not saying coaches are always right, but either he really stinks in practice, he’s completely undedicated, or D’Antoni is nuts. So, I have to figure he’s really that bad and/or undedicated; although, the third option is looking more attractive every game that passes.

    “I think the veterans would cede the offense to Marcus Landry if it would win a game…”

    Maybe I’m being unfair, but I’m not sure Al Harrington would cede the offense to Michael freaking Jordan himself.

  41. IGMKNICKS

    Planning to turn over the offense to Danilo is premature at this time. First, the team needs to learn to win. That means learning and playing defense. The zone is a cop-out, an admission of coaching failure. Elite teams and transition teams will shoot and run through the zone.

    Danilo’s defense sucks big time right now. Can he be taught not to guard sideways. Is he really that slow? Why is he always behind the shooter and why is he so often in the interior just looking at the offensive player go up for a score?

    His offense cannot be judged by the numbers although he is improving each game. He is finally learning how to create some space in the NBA. And his release is starting to get quicker so that he is not so reliant on the three and the set shot.

    Still, he is not ready to take over an offense and have this team win at least five more games not counting the four we should win against the Nets.

  42. Owen

    “I’ve been talking about how bad Chandler is for 2 years. I even bore myself talking about it, so at this point I’ve pretty much given up.”

    yeah, he was bad before but he looked alright. You had to actually look at his stats to see the negative impact he was having. This year Chandler has been visibly awful, killing both the Knicks and one of my fantasy teams.

    Ty Lawson played 22 minutes and scored 13 points on nine possessions used, notched six assists, a board and a steal, with no turnovers last night.

  43. jon abbey

    “Ty Lawson played 22 minutes and scored 13 points on nine possessions used, notched six assists, a board and a steal, with no turnovers last night.”

    and one jawdropping tomahawk dunk through traffic. :(

  44. d-mar

    I think one of the most damning things about our defense is that no one except Jeffries steps in and takes a charge. For all the times Lee is the last line of defense, has he ever stepped in and at least tried to get run over? How does D’Antoni change this mindset? I have no freaking idea.

    Speaking of coaches, Nelson continues to be one of the most bizarre coaches ever. In the middle of a long road trip and on the first night of a back-to-back he plays Jackson 47 min. and Ellis 45, and uses Curry for 2, all this with a fairly comfortable 4th quarter lead. His quote about not starting Curry was “I took him out of the starting lineup because he doesn’t have enough tattoos. In fact, he doesn’t have any tattoos. How can a guy start in the NBA without tattoos.”

  45. tastycakes

    I think the only way we conceivably dump Jeffries / Curry is by packaging one of the young ones with them. Another reason to give the kids more burn. But who would take Chandler at this point? We won’t surrender Gallo, and Lee and Robinson are near-impossible to trade this year. So .. I think hanging tough for 2010 and signing a max FA, then suffering through an improved losing season (another mid-late lottery pick, hooray!), and finally freeing up the Curry / Jeffries space to sign someone else .. is the most likely course of action.

    But hey, we found a taker for Z-bo last year (and then he got traded *again*), so one never knows.

  46. Ted Nelson

    “Planning to turn over the offense to Danilo is premature at this time. First, the team needs to learn to win. That means learning and playing defense.”

    Danilo can’t play defense, so you can’t feature him offensively??? This only makes sense if your argument is that he’s so bad defensively that you can’t even put him on the floor. I don’t think he’s that terrible, at least not compared to the rest of the Knicks’ squad. He’s playing 30 mpg so far, so he’s out there enough to make a big offensive impact. What does his defensive have to do with his offense?

    “His offense cannot be judged by the numbers”

    What can it be judged by, then?

  47. Ted Nelson

    Two good points d-mar.

    tastycakes, one thing I would point out is that the top FAs are not likely to sign with a team they feel will be a lottery team. When he was in NY, LeBron said that at this point in his career he has to be competing for a title every season. So, you’re likely to end up with some Larry Hughes “max” FA… and shoot yourself in the foot for 5 more seasons. I don’t know what the answer is, just pointing out that it’s not an easy situation…

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