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Saturday, August 30, 2014

2010 Game Thread: TOR @ NYK

After last night’s disheartening game results (all the teams that the Knicks are chasing won), tonight is yet another big game for the Knicks (heck, pretty much every game until the All Star break is very important).

Hopefully, David Lee takes out his frustration over his All-Star snub on the Raptors tonight!

Put your in-game thoughts here!

117 comments on “2010 Game Thread: TOR @ NYK

  1. BigBlueAL

    Great 1st quarter…..until Harrington checked in. Still 34-20 after 1st quarter lets hope they can keep it up.

  2. Brian Cronin

    Jeffries trying to put the ball on the floor on a drive to the basket was hilarious. As soon as he started his drive I thought, “This will not end well” and, sure enough, he is promptly rejected.

    Hilarious.

    Also, hey, Jordan Hill, perhaps you should be able to put the ball in the basket when you’re directly in front of the basket.

  3. BigBlueAL

    Duhon still cant shoot a freakin lick, hits his 1st 3 then gets another 2 wide-open and barely hits rim on both.

  4. Brian Cronin

    This game is especially big because I can’t even recall the last time the Knicks actually gained a game in the standings against the teams ahead of them.

  5. BigBlueAL

    Pretty sad that the Knicks only lead by 4 at half-time. Hopefully since Raptors playing 2nd of a back-to-back they run out of gas in the end and the Knicks can pull away and win this game.

  6. Z

    “17-10 for our favorite non all star. Those are Al Thornton type numbers”

    Lee’s per-half stats are better than Horford’s per-game stats.

  7. Frank O.

    HORFORD? Lee got beat out by Horford?
    Is that because he does so badly head to head?
    Because Lee’s stats are better.

  8. cav0011

    The nets blowout was still worse…..It always seems like every team has some horrible player that just lights the knicks up.

  9. cav0011

    Well chandler has “earned” the refs respect. Same goes for Gallo. Lee and Robinson dont get calls because they bitch alot. Same goes for harrington. Last but not least Duhon sucks.

  10. Spree8nyk8

    Well chandler got hammered on the last layup no foul, Nate was fouled clear path which wasn’t given. And the Raptors get every tick tack foul. It was the same thing in the dallas game, not that it would have changed anything, but the Mavs smacked the hell out of Lee everytime he had the ball and never got any calls. It’s frustrating and in the dallas game it was bad enough to where I thought it could end up with a fight. It gets ridiculous for them sometimes. I mean they are already fighting the talent curve, but theres nights where they play hard with tons of heart and the refs make it 3x as hard.

  11. Brian Cronin

    A lot of the Knicks seems to have a problem with going hard to the hoop. Gallo, Al, Hill – it’s annoying.

    Especially for a team that does not get calls from the refs, ya know? You can’t expect the refs to call the foul.

  12. Mulligan

    Definitely a heart breaker if we lose this one. This team definitely seems like they’re a notch below the other teams contending for playoff spots now….

  13. Thomas B.

    Lee or Bosh…hmmmmm.

    So Gallo for 3 or Harrington for 3 or Nate for turnover? Which will it be?

  14. Frank O.

    Lee 29 and 17
    The dude is playing huge.
    I take back anything negative I have said tonight about him

  15. Brian Cronin

    That was either the worst play or the worst execution ever.

    It was definitely the latter.

    There is no way in the world that that was the play D’Antoni drew up. Most likely it was supposed to be a pass back to Gallo for a three.

    But the other four Knicks ruined it by not moving at all, leaving Gallo’s only play being to Al back near midcourt. And once Al gets it, he’s just going to “create” his own offense, no matter what.

  16. Frank O.

    That’s a play you swallow the whistle. Bad teams get bad calls.
    How was it that Nate got tied up there. That play was going to him, but he got tangled with his defender…

  17. Brian Cronin

    By the way, Harrington is still a very useful player. He’s just a very useful player who has some notable limitations. I just don’t want anyone to think I’m hating on Harrington.

  18. d-mar

    Is it just me or did it seem like we got no respect from the refs tonight? There were a couple of drives to the hoop (Hill is one I remember) where you could see obvious contact and no call. And as badly as they executed that last play, Bargnani raked Harrington’s arms as he tried to make the steal. Brutal loss, we were up 5 with less than 2 minutes left. And I’ve said it before I HATE that foul call when the offensive player flings his arms up into the defenders arm to “draw” a foul, which Turkoglu did from about 30 feet away.

  19. BigBlueAL

    Its times like tonight where I THANK GOD that I have another team that I am so passionate for and thats the Yankees. If I didnt get to root for them I may have already committed suicide in one of these past 9 years being a Knicks fan.

    Spring Training in just 3 weeks baby!!!!

  20. Brian Cronin

    What’s really funny is that that wasn’t even close to being the most inept final play that the Knicks have done over the past five years or so. Isiah had some real doozies.

  21. Spree8nyk8

    I mean the thing is this, yeah they play wasn’t properly executed, but harrington gets to the rim, and a player steps out of the restricted circle AFTER harrington has already picked up his dribble and gets a charge? Thats fucking bullshit. He didn’t even have his second foot placed until harrington was already in the air. That was a blocking foul 100/100. It’s a horrible call.

  22. Z

    “It was definitely the latter. There is no way in the world that that was the play D’Antoni drew up. Most likely it was supposed to be a pass back to Gallo for a three.”

    Totally right. You could tell Gallo didn’t want to pass it to Harrington. He seemed to almost prefer a 5 second violation. But Harrington was the only guy getting open, so he reluctantly in-bounded to him, knowing the game was over the second the clock started…

  23. BigBlueAL

    I have a question. Of all the Knicks FA’s (not counting Lee obviously) what kind of contracts will they possibly get this off-season?? Will a team give Hughes or Duhon anything more than the league minimum?? Will a team give Harrington as much as the MLE?? Nate I assume could maybe get as much as the MLE but Im not even sure of that. We know Darko is headed back to Europe.

  24. Z

    “That was a blocking foul 100/100. It’s a horrible call.”

    I’d have to see the play again, but Harrington was out of control and had no business forcing the play.

    And no one on TV has mentioned the call as controversial. D’Antoni wasn’t even asked if he thought it should have been a blocking call.

    Emotions run high at the end, but let’s face it: that last play was a disaster and it wasn’t the ref’s fault.

  25. nicos

    Hard to hate on Al for the last play- Gallo could have gotten the ball to him earlier on the in-bound but held the ball (as clearly the ball was supposed to go to someone else- probably Nate) and Bargnani was able to get back on Al and tip the ball out and the play was pretty much screwed from there.

    Another great game for Lee but boy I wish he finished games as well as he starts them. I’d love to see a breakdown of his scoring by quarter- I’m guessing that there’s probably a good couple of points difference between his first and fourth quarter scoring.

    And since I’m annoyed and have to blame somebody* I’ll put this one on the coach who went way to long with that awful Duhon, Nate, Jeffries, Hill, and Harrington line-up early on when we had been playing well and could have put some more distance between us and the Raptors. I’ll give an honorable mention to Ill Wil who despite decent numbers looked like he was in a fog the whole game.

    *besides Duhon, of course!

  26. Brian Cronin

    Hard to hate on Al for the last play- Gallo could have gotten the ball to him earlier on the in-bound but held the ball (as clearly the ball was supposed to go to someone else- probably Nate) and Bargnani was able to get back on Al and tip the ball out and the play was pretty much screwed from there.

    The play did not have to be screwed from there. Al had a lot more time than he seemed to think he had, as he just decided his only chance was to barrel his way to the basket out of control.

    I’ll give an honorable mention to Ill Wil who despite decent numbers looked like he was in a fog the whole game.

    I give Chandler a pass because he’s playing hurt.

    But yeah, that Duhon, Nate, Jeffries, Hill and Al lineup was insane.

  27. Brian Cronin

    I’d have to see the play again, but Harrington was out of control and had no business forcing the play.

    And no one on TV has mentioned the call as controversial. D’Antoni wasn’t even asked if he thought it should have been a blocking call.

    It was not a play that would ever be called, agreed. But I think it likely was a blocking foul, so I still think it was a bad call (just a bad call that would be called in 27 out of 30 times – the three times it would not be called would be if Kobe, Lebron or Wade was doing the drive).

  28. BigBlueAL

    I remember the good old days when the Knicks used to get every call in the book down the stretch. We need Hubert Davis back on the team.

  29. Spree8nyk8

    idk what replays they showed for you because I was watching an internet feed which was a toronto channel, and they showed the replay from behind the basket and Jack (i believe) was in the restricted area, as harrington starts coming down the lane he realizes it and when harrington picks up his dribble he puts one foot forward out of the RA and the other foot plants after Harrington has already started his leap. To draw a charge you are supposed to be planted before the dribble has been picked up, basically there was no way for harrington to know Jack would be in that spot because when he picked up his dribble starting his layup attempt the player was not there. idk why that was not a controversial call (i guess because he didn’t make the layup) but it definitely should have been.

  30. nicos

    “The play did not have to be screwed from there. Al had a lot more time than he seemed to think he had, as he just decided his only chance was to barrel his way to the basket out of control.”

    Brian- I agree that Al had time and could have made a better decision but as I saw the play it looked completely busted from the time he got control of the ball- it seemed like nobody else on the Knicks had any idea what to do once that first option was taken away so a patented wild AH drive was probably as good as they were going to get in that situation (I should note I watched it on League Pass and the only replay the Raptors feed had only showed the end of the play). Of course, it’s that kind of play where Duhon’s suckage kills us- that’s where you need a point guard recognize the situation and get the ball out of Harrington’s hands by force if necessary and get the team a good shot.

  31. Z

    If the ref had called a blocking foul it would have been a bailout of AIG proportions. If it wasn’t a charge it was probably a no-call. Either way, the Knicks lose.

    Said Harrington: “I was just the last resort and when I got it my leg killed me and I had no brakes,” Harrington said. “I just tried to make the play and obviously got called for the charge.”

  32. BigBlueAL

    Have a feeling Knicks may be w/o Jeffries and Harrington due to injury pretty soon. Time for Jordan Hill to mature pretty quickly.

  33. nicos

    “Have a feeling Knicks may be w/o Jeffries and Harrington due to injury pretty soon.”

    Or is this a case of them saying “uh oh, the trade deadline’s coming up and I don’t feel like living out of a suitcase for the rest of the year.” I don’t actually think this is the case but you never know!

  34. BigBlueAL

    No I mean because both are scheduled for MRI’s all of a sudden and both talked about after the game tonight playing with a bad knee for a couple of weeks and their knees arent feeling better actually they are feeling worse hence the need to take MRI’s to see if there is something serious now. I wouldnt be surprised if they both sit out at least a few games to try to get healthier.

  35. Rashidi

    Don’t forget that the refs also took a clear path foul away from the Knicks which basically cost them the game in the grand scheme. I was really unhappy with the officiating tonight moreso than the players’ execution.

    Also, it is very obvious that Al is hurt right now but D’Antoni keeps playing him heavy minutes using a 7 man bench. This is why guys aren’t recovering from their injuries. If they’re gonna plant Larry Hughes and Darko Milicic on the bench why aren’t they at least working to trade any of them and/or buying them out so we can get some players worth having?

    The team is not talented enough or deep enough to make the playoffs as currently constituted.

  36. Rashidi

    Also, Al did plenty of good forcing fouls on both Bargnani and Amir Johnson. He’s the one who got Amir out of the game. He was killing on the defense and offensive glass, and was especially effective on Lee.

  37. ess-dog

    Tuned in for that last play. What a heartbreaker. The refs are really bad this year – insanely bad – league wide.

    But our backcourt is pathetic. I can live w/ Al and Jeffries at this point, but Duhon has to be moved. And Nate does some good things, but also makes a lot of bad mistakes. Would love to see more Douglas. Chandler’s solid, needs to work on his jumper. I hate to say it but Hughes could help a little.

  38. tastycakes

    Reading game threads is a hilarious way to find out what happened in the game. From this one, I would have assumed the Knicks were getting spanked like the last time we played Toronto.

    We were let down by Al Harrington?? The shock!

    I’m way, way more concerned about Jeffries’ injury. I want Jeffrightened on the next deal out of NYC, damn it.

    Still mad about D Lee’s snub. Mad that this loser squad can’t crack .500 even with a stud like Lee. He’s a gemstone in a garbage patch.

  39. jbug187

    I think our chances of re-signing D Lee for next year increase slightly with him not making the All Star team. With that on his resume you have to believe that he would command a higher salary. Also, I think it keeps him hungry as well, not that he really needs the motivation. And that’s exactly what we need going into next year: affordable, hungry talent.

  40. Frank

    Few thoughts–

    Jordan Hill looked very bad last night. Had a lot of trouble finishing around the rim which is not a good sign for a nearly 7-foot supposedly extremely athletic player. Didn’t seem to know what to do with the ball when he had it in his hands. He better grow up very quickly especially if Jefferies is out for any period of time.

    I was pretty happy with Gallo’s game last night, but it is clear to me that he needs to spend this off-season really working on his core and legs. He had a few great drives to the rim but was unable to finish in traffic — looks like when he draws contact he doesn’t have the strength to finish. But he played pretty good defense, and 1.5 points/shot is not too shabby.

    Does anyone else notice that Chandler NEVER gets calls on his drives? If he were Kobe playing exactly the same way, he’d be shooting 8 FT’s/game — instead he’s averaging 2.3. Meanwhile, I love the way he’s playing. I haven’t done the TS% calculation but for December and January he’s shooting >51% from the field and >80% FT, all while playing very good defense. He’s really been a bright spot since his horrible start.

    It’s time for Duhon to sit. He’s keeping his turnovers down but on this team we can’t have a PG who is no threat to shoot at all. And it’s not like he plays good defense. When we have good PG play the team wins. When we don’t, we lose. Is there anyone in the D-League that might be play-able at this point? Certainly couldn’t be worse than Duhon.

  41. Brian Cronin

    My problem with the RealGM piece (besides opening with the pretty misleading “is in position to grab the last playoff spot in the Eastern Conference “) is that while Mark Rowan did a great job finding expiring deals that match Jeffries’ contract, he didn’t write anything about whether any of the teams would be willing to take on salary for 2010. What is Milwaukee’s cap situation? What is Memphis’? What is Toronto’s? What is the Los Angeles’? Without knowing that, we don’t really know how likely any of those deals would be.

  42. Z

    “What is Milwaukee’s cap situation? What is Memphis’? What is Toronto’s? What is the Los Angeles’? Without knowing that, we don’t really know how likely any of those deals would be.”

    They are some interesting possibilities. Of the straight up trades he proposes, the Jazz (Korver) and Grizz (Hunter) seem like somewhat hopeful possibilities. The Grizz especially, if they are on the bubble, because they could use defensive help in a big way and though they have cap space, there is no chance they sign a good player with it this summer.

    I know the Lakers got Morrison for Vlad Rad last year in a salary dump because their payroll was stretched. Not sure if they’d give up the savings just for Jeffries (especially when they already have Artest). Maybe if they feel Artest simply can’t contain LeBron (and somehow Jeffries can!).

    The Bucks probably don’t really belong in the conversation because they aren’t really contenders. If the Bucks for some reason decided they were a versatile defender away from a playoff spot, then maybe. They are about $5 mil under the cap this summer, but aren’t really players for the top free agents. But they’d also need a backup PG more than Jeffries if they want to contend, so I can’t see why’d they’d deal Ridnour.

    I doubt Toronto trades for him, and Houston only if it was part of a bigger (TMac) trade. (The Spurs and Rockets both seem too smart to fall for any Jeffries hype).

  43. d-mar

    Well guys, this playoff dream is disappearing fast, 5 games out of the 8 spot and it’s not even Feb. Who knew the Bulls and the Bobcats would go on such a tear? Let’s hope the Knicks can at least stay in spitting distance to keep this season interesting.

    One thing I’ve noticed is that the East has closed the gap with the West. I think the East’s 6,7 and 8 teams would match up well with the West’s right now, and the same thing goes with the East’s top 4. The biggest difference between the conferences is depth, there are teams in the 9,10 and 11 spots in the West that are definitely superior to the Knicks, Bucks, etc.

  44. StevenU

    I never read these threads during the game but maybe I’ll try; it is amusing.
    d-mar “playoff dreams”? That’s funny PLAYOFFS???
    No, I do not mean to be critical-it’s just a cover for my own pain as a Knick fan. I did try to caution y’all back in December that it was nothing but a little hot streak against mostly easy competition. They just really suck. Dantoni is an awful leader. AS a team they are well below average in basketball IQ. And when Jared Jeffries being out is a crippling blow…which it may actually be well, ’nuff said..and at least now no one is gonna say that the game tonight is another “big game”
    There are no more big games for this sorry stupid team.
    I will make a prediction here: Marbury will be the best player in China! And, he will be back in the NBA making millions before the Knicks ever win a postseason game.

  45. StevenU

    I think the argument can easily be made that Chris Duhon is the single worst starter in the entire league. I am trying to think of who’d even be in the running…

  46. jon abbey

    “One thing I’ve noticed is that the East has closed the gap with the West.”

    11 of the top 15 records are in the West, so not so much. you could make the argument that 1-4 is stronger in the East, but the second tier isn’t even close IMO.

  47. Frank

    “I think the argument can easily be made that Chris Duhon is the single worst starter in the entire league. I am trying to think of who’d even be in the running…”

    I used to think that Shandon Anderson was the worst starter that ever played in the NBA — but you may be right. Duhon might take the cake.

    Is there any chance Joe Johnson can play the point? He might not be the worst alternative in case Lebron and Wade stay. I’m not feeling Bosh right now — he’s definitely not 6+ million/year better than Lee. Johnson can probably be had for well less than the max.

  48. SeeWhyDee77

    I’m actually here @ the game in DC..f’n snow! Blackberry sux 4 web browsing so I problee won’t do any commenting til I get back 2 my brother’s PC, but I will say these 2 things: 1) DC has some FINE women lol. 2) There’s hardly anybody here…it makes it feel like “The Phone Booth” (that is what they call it rite?) Is about the size of McDonough Arena where the Hoyas play. But can u blame some of the DC folx 4 not comin out? Dammit-we better win! I didn’t drive a hour and a half in tha snow 4 nufn..JJ’s on a roll-I thought he was hurt..

  49. Droidz1979

    “I will make a prediction here: Marbury will be the best player in China! And, he will be back in the NBA making millions before the Knicks ever win a postseason game.”

    Dude, its not even in a Euro-league..its in CHINA!!!! imports who play here are like rejects/scrubs_and what does it make of your fave player? Am just glad he is out of NBA and spending his free time eating vaseline.

  50. BigBlueAL

    Pretty sad that we are not even at the AS break and the season is already meaningless the rest of the way with the added heartbreak that we cant even root for losses since we dont have our 1st round pick.

    Must say Jeffries all of a sudden when he shoots an open jumper Im beginning to expect it to go in. Still cringe though when he dribbles the ball and tries to drive to the basket….

  51. Z

    Jeffries injures his knee, sits out the second half, gets an MRI, and then coach plays him 48 minutes the next day?!

  52. d-mar

    Berman has a piece today about how the Knicks need to go after T-Mac if they want to make any kind of playoff run. At 5 1/2 out, the term “playoff run” has very little meaning, but I wouldn’t mind the Knicks getting T-Mac if it didn’t effect cap space, and it’s a no-brainer obviously if Jeffries is involved. I guess we’re at the same decision point when we were talking about Iverson (late game scoring, bring some excitement to the Garden, etc.) and not picking up AI turned out to be a good move. In this case I don’t have much to go on, but I think T-Mac may have something left in the tank, and this team needs a jolt right now before it sinks even deeper into NBA irrrelevancy.

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