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Monday, November 24, 2014

2010 Game Preview & Thread: Knicks v. Pistons

Knicks (16-24, 9-11 home) host the Pistons (14-26, 4-16 Road) in the annual MSG MLK Matinee.  The season series is even at 1-1 with the Pistons taking it to the Knicks in Auburn Hills last week. 

The Knicks find themselves in a bit of a funk going 1-4 in the current five stretch after going 4-1 in the previous five game stretch.  The biggest difference in the two five game stretches is the offensive numbers.  During the 4-1 stretch the Knicks scored over 100 in 4 of 5 games.  During the 1-4 stretch the Knicks reached 100 in 1 of 4 games.  So what’s the problem?  Well the easy answer is to point to JJ and his time in the starting line up, but actually JJ is doing okay.  JJ’s eFG% over the last five games is 53.3% (15-30, 2-7).  The lowest eFG% of all starters in the last five game belongs to Duhon at 25.8% (6-29, 3-19).  Duhon’s offense has been so poor, D’Antoni was forced to dust off Larry Hughes, who has not made a field goal in his last four games.  I’d rather see Toney Douglas get some playing time, he may not be a great distributor but he cant be as turnover prone as Nate Robinson has been of late. 

I am curious to see how D’Antoni rights the ship.  The Pistons have been a poor defensive team all year, particularly on the road.  If the Knicks are going to get the offense clicking, this would be the game to do it.  Of course, with a 1 o’clock start time, I doubt Duhon had time to nap before the game.  Oh well, we shall see.

81 comments on “2010 Game Preview & Thread: Knicks v. Pistons

  1. GAx

    Now I know why we don’t have that tradition of standing until we score. Even New Yorkers don’t like to stay on their feet that long.

  2. Thomas B. Post author

    So I’m listening to the free audio broadcast on NBA.com and I hear “tipped in by Jordan Hill.” And my first thought is, “the pistons have a player named jordan Hill? Oh wait he plays for us.”

  3. Mamassiv

    Yeah, Hill must have left a nice impression on D’Antonio on Saturday – good he’s in, because Ben Wallace looks like a young Shaq with that Knicks D around him.

  4. SeeWhyDee77

    Did mine eyes deceive me? Was that dreadlocked fellow REALLY Jordan Hill I saw? IN THE FIRST QUARTER??? Wow..thas really nice 2 see. Maybe there is hope 4 tha rook

  5. David Crockett

    My Al Harrington moment of Zin…

    Sometimes I scream “Jesus, I wish Al Harrington would pass the damn ball!!!” And then he does it. I go, “Oh. Yeah. Well, you just keep right on shooting. We’re better off trying to rebound your miss than asking you to create.”

    The Buddhists say: the nature of suffering is desire.

  6. Mamassiv

    Hill gets some playing time partially because Lee picked up his 2nd foul pretty early. Actually he looks pretty active. Harrington takes a shot every time the ball falls in his hands whereas Nate had a decent selection so far.

  7. BigBlueAL

    Nate playing great. Love Hill’s activity on D, also now has 4 pts on a putback and jumper. Harrington has only passed the ball once since he checked in and that pass went out of bounds for a turnover.

  8. David Crockett

    Hill’s got a little game to him. I knew he would board. His mid-range j looks good today.

    He’s fouling like Eddy Curry though.

  9. David Crockett

    When you’re active on the boards and move without the ball it’s funny how the ball finds you.

  10. jaddddd1

    ESPNs Chris Sheridan says we are showcasing Hill for the Rockets. Would Hill, Jeffries, Mobley’s Insurance Covered Contract get it done?

  11. david

    I think we’d have to throw something else in for that Houston trade to work (for them on basketball grounds — the trade works on salary cap grounds). Nate is the obvious piece — would be really useful for them as another scorer off the bench — but he might not be willing (he’d lose his bird rights). Another possibility is including Andersen on their side and Darko on ours, which would reduce the cap gain for us but would also reduce the cap loss for them

  12. BigBlueAL

    Just noticed Lakers play in Cleveland Thursday night, hmmm maybe Knicks catch a break with playing them on the 2nd night of a back-to-back especially after such a big game too. Knicks have 3 days off until that game, maybe Knicks have a chance Friday night as long as Gasol is still out.

  13. David Crockett

    Gallo is super-tentative today for some reason.

    Knicks need to get Lee in the post, and get some movement off the ball.

  14. David Crockett

    Ben Wallace just got away with the push that got David Lee his 3rd foul.

    But that’s one where Wil has to give the obligatory “Hey!” to alert the official. I wonder if Steve Francis is available for lessons.

  15. David Crockett

    The Knicks have played poorly, but seriously, at the offensive end we’re getting manhandled… no calls.

  16. David Crockett

    Great look by David…

    BUT…

    The Pistons would have HAD to foul him there. I’d rather the foul than the 3 there to get them into the penalty more quickly.

  17. David Crockett

    BBAL- Nate’s done a nice job defensively in his matchup; overall the Knicks have defended the first shot well but haven’t been able to secure boards.

  18. Z

    Jeffries is such a classically bad basketball player.

    If he was two inches shorter he wouldn’t even be in the league.

  19. David Crockett

    They just are not gonna call a foul on Detroit on defense. I mean, Harrington got bumped pretty clearly.

  20. Z

    Harrington went for the reverse layup instead of going strong to the basket. He gave the ref the option of not making a call. In a matinee, refs prefer to not blow the whistle if they don’t have to. Too much work for that early in the morning…

  21. David Crockett

    Big heads up play by Nate — not allowing Stuckey to tip the ball to himself.

    I don’t complain about officiating often, but this reminds me of the 2005 Super Bowl (Seattle/Pitt) where the refs were making legit calls but only on Seattle while Pitt got away with murder.

    David Lee has at least 3 pretty ticky tack fouls, including the last one where Daye climbed over his back. On the other end we have people getting hammered.

  22. David Crockett

    Wallace has incriminating photos on these refs.

    I mean seriously. He’s had 3 clear reach ins. Daye is now going to the line for nickel dime contact.

  23. Z

    “Duhon may have officially run out of rope with today’s performance.”

    Oh yeah. I’d forgotten about that guy. Cool.

  24. Kikuchiyo

    Breen had a sobering statistic for us:

    Even with a win today, the Knicks have only equalled their win total from last year at this point:

    17-24.

  25. Z

    Kikuchiyo–

    I think that is okay. Last year the Knicks got off to e deceptively good start before the Randolph and Crawford trades. Then they lost a bunch to end the first half with 17 wins.

    This year the team started deceptively bad (horrendous!). Then they won a bunch to get to 17 wins.

    I think the Knicks have improved, despite the equal number of wins.

  26. Thomas B. Post author

    Well last years team wasnt healthy down the stretchand that took its toll. plus the east is weaker this year.

  27. BigBlueAL

    Knicks point differential better this season though, currently at -1.3 per game where last season they finished -2.6. Last season Knicks won only 15 games in the 2nd half, I wold hope Knicks at least match their 1st half with another 17 wins if not hopefully of course 20 or more wins.

  28. d-mar

    I’ve been as critical of Nate as anyone on this board, but games like today I’m really glad we have him. I think this game had the potential to be a really brutal loss without Nate picking us up on the offensive end. His shot selection was generally good and he made smart decisions. Oh, and he kept Duhon on the bench, another big plus.

  29. david

    We got killed by the refs in this game. Just brutal.

    I love how Nate fights over the top of pick and rolls, forcing moving pick fouls. He really put in a lot of effort, so that D’Antoni couldn’t remove him for Duhon.

    Given how rough Duhon has been, I think Nate has earned a majority of PG minutes for the next few games — he’s one of our only players who creates match-up problems and he’s been better defensively.

    Thought Hill looked okay today — glad he’s getting the backup big minutes over Bender. Since that last amazing stretch, Lee has been forcing it a bit — he was great passing the ball this game, but he’s calling for the ball too early in possessions and he’s forcing some shots and drives that lead to turnovers. He needs to get back within himself a bit. The only problem is that Lee forcing it is sometimes our best offensive option (particularly when Nate isn’t the game and Gallo isn’t demanding the ball)

  30. Mulligan

    Re: Nate renouncing his bird rights if he’s traded – Aren’t your bird rights only applicable to the original team? It’s seriously unlikely the knicks are going to A. resign him B. resign him for more than he would get anyone else. Do his bird rights really matter?

  31. Z

    Mulligan– you are right that the chances of Nate’s Bird rights helping him net more $$ are slim, but it is not completely out of the question. If he is included in a sign and trade this summer, then he could, theoretically, procure more money by staying with the Knicks than if he accepted a trade before the deadline.

  32. Brian Cronin

    Re: Nate renouncing his bird rights if he’s traded – Aren’t your bird rights only applicable to the original team? It’s seriously unlikely the knicks are going to A. resign him B. resign him for more than he would get anyone else. Do his bird rights really matter?

    Bird Rights are very valuable for all players, because it allows teams to give you more money, even if they’re only signing you for relatively small deals.

    It could make the difference between making, say, $5 million and $6 million over the length of a deal, and a million dollar is a lot of money, ya know?

  33. Mulligan

    Brian, I know what Bird Rights are. But you’re wrong about one detail, it doesn’t allow “teams” to give you more money, it allows your original team to give you more money. My point was that I think the idea of Nate being unwilling to approve a trade because he’d waive his Bird Rights seems overblown to me when you consider that Nate Robinson’s home team hasn’t seemed particularly enamored with him and seems unlikely to resign him this summer. If they did resign him, I doubt they’d resign him for the max.

    Z, thanks for responding to my point. I’d still place the likelihood of Nate Robinson getting signed and traded for the max at pretty small, but I guess if that’s your best option you have to hold on to it.

  34. Brian Cronin

    Brian, I know what Bird Rights are. But you’re wrong about one detail, it doesn’t allow “teams” to give you more money, it allows your original team to give you more money. My point was that I think the idea of Nate being unwilling to approve a trade because he’d waive his Bird Rights seems overblown to me when you consider that Nate Robinson’s home team hasn’t seemed particularly enamored with him and seems unlikely to resign him this summer. If they did resign him, I doubt they’d resign him for the max.

    The Knicks will almost absolutely be signing and trading Nate (as it makes too much sense for both them and Nate), which is where the Bird Rights come into play, and it’s a major benefit for Nate to keep those rights.

    Notice that Devean George recently wasn’t willing to give them up, and Nate is clearly a better player than Devean George (well, at least George the year in which he vetoed the trade).

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