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Saturday, November 1, 2014

2010 Game Thread: Knicks @ Cavs

The Cleveland Cavaliers are statistically the best team in the league. Their expected win percentage (based on point differential) is .743, which is slightly worse than their actual win percentage of .784. They excel at shooting percentage on both ends of the floor (2nd offensive eFG, 1st defensive eFG) and also defensive rebounding (2nd). The Cavs biggest weakness is turnovers on both ends of the floor, although on the defensive side it’s probably a result of their scheme to stay at home instead of gamble for the big play.

There’s not much to say for the Knicks these days. D’Antoni started Nate Robinson and brought Chris Duhon off the bench, but New York still couldn’t defeat a Buck squad sans Redd and Bogut. In that game Danilo Gallinari was a non-factor on offense, not making any shots until 8:13 left in the game. Robinson shot poorly from the floor (3-12, 0-1 3P) but salvaged a horrific shooting night by earning 7 points from the charity stripe (13 points total). On the bright side, he had 7 assists without a turnover. New York had 8 blocked shots, but that belies how poor they were on defense in the paint. New York had so many blocked shots, because Milwaukee frequently brought the action to the paint.

At a time when the team had a soft spot in their schedule and a low playoff seed was within reach, the Knicks went 4-10. In their next 10 games there are certainly some winnable ones (Sacramento, Chicago twice, Oklahoma, Memphis, Washington, and Milwaukee again), but they’re going to face some great teams down the stretch. New York will meet Cleveland twice, Boston thrice, Portland, Utah, Orlando, Dallas, and San Antonio. Save for a miracle turnaround, New York is probably out of playoff contention.

88 comments on “2010 Game Thread: Knicks @ Cavs

  1. jon abbey

    this D’Antoni quote sums up our pitiful PG situation perfectly, there are probably 50 better PGs in the league than anyone on our roster.

    “D’Antoni handed over the point guard reins to Nate Robinson last night. The coach is desperate and will try anything. He made it clear he wanted “energy” from Robinson. D’Antoni said that at least five times in his pregame meeting with the media.

    “Most of all,” D’Antoni said, “I don’t want him thinking, that could be dangerous.””

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/ace_stumps_for_king_yGeOOxgfHWFTGBcTlyDSiJ

  2. mase

    yup, our season ended last night… i think Skiles out coached us, Jennings single-handedly out ran us in the second half, mbah and warrick seemed to come up with every big offensive rebound, elyasova torched us in the first half… I guess it wasn’t all Duhon’s fault after all, we simply do not have steve nash.

  3. SeeWhyDee77

    I agree, last nite was…detrimental for us. Which brings me to this question for my fellow knickerbloggers-would you sacrifice cap space for Iguodala if there was some way to move JJ in that deal for smaller deals? I would propose Hughes, Curry and Chandler for Iguodala, Dalembert(we could trade Dalembert in the offseason) and cap fillers with expiring deals, but I don’t think Philly would do that considering that Curry’s out for the season-although it frees them from Dalembert’s deal…furthermore it would problee remove all chances of gettin a good player this offseason. So, I tried to come up with ways to add Iggy and move JJ for cap relief-but I only came up with deals that would save us half of JJ’s deal. But is Iggy good enuf to sacrifice some space for if we could use Lee in a S&T to get a great player? I think it’s worth a thought at least..

  4. ess-dog

    I hate to nitpick and I’ve been a supporter of D’Antoni, but couldn’t Hill helped in the 2nd half? Bringing energy and hops? Lord knows Lee, Harrington and Jeffries weren’t standing up to anyone in the paint. Hill is the only player that could’ve stuck with Warrick.
    Dee, I actually like Dalembert, he plays defense, but I think AI2 is more of a 2nd fiddle. If we could somehow get those 2 while leaving space for Lebron, I’d be all for that. But the chance of them taking Curry is about nil to zip.

  5. mase

    i dont think philly would even consider that trade; they might do iggy and brand for gallo, chandler, jj, lee…

  6. jaddddd1

    ess-dog, Hill definitely would’ve helped in the 2nd half last night. He’s pretty much the lone big we have who brings “energy” and defense these days. Seems like Hughes has taken his rotation spot though. I’d like to see Duhon not play at all, have Nate/Hughes split the PG minutes and at least bring Hill off the bench. At this point it doesn’t look like we’re making the playoffs, its probably time to see if Hill can justify that 8th selection. I really thought he’d play last night with the guy who everyone thinks we should’ve taken over him (Jennings) in the house.

  7. DS

    “this D’Antoni quote sums up our pitiful PG situation perfectly, there are probably 50 better PGs in the league than anyone on our roster.”

    Agreed couldn’t we land SOMEONE who has a high A/TO ratio, plays solid D, and not be quite so pitiful on offense?? Kyle Lowry?? Ridnour?? White Chocolate?? Jose Juan-Barea?? Ty Lawson? (D’oh).

    Look how great “the system” made Duhon, a career backup, look for most of last season.

  8. Robert Silverman

    RRude – It really had nothing to do w/Nate. Gallo passed up decent looks, wasn’t aggressive and in general, looked tired. I agree w/the other posters that it’s probably the rookie wall (and praying it’s not his back).

  9. Robert Silverman

    I had the luck to leave after the 1st half. I honestly thought the game was in the bag. D’oh!

  10. Mike Kurylo Post author

    “I really thought [Hill would] play last night with the guy who everyone thinks we should’ve taken over him (Jennings) in the house.”

    If you watched the game, do you remember the play where Kurt Thomas elbowed Nate Robinson in the throat on a drive? As a Knick fan, I would have much preferred if the participants were Hill & Jennings.

  11. Z

    “As a Knick fan, I would have much preferred if the participants were Hill & Jennings.”

    Hahaha.

    But for the fact that Hill hasn’t shown that much spunk. He’s more of a finesse Kurt Thomas (aka, NOT Kurt Thomas!)

    Also, if the Knicks had taken Jennings, where do you think Hill would have fallen to? The Bucks were lusting after Flynn before settling for Jennings. Considering their desire for a PG they probably would have taken Holiday or Lawson at #10, leaving Hill to be the guy left in the green room looking longingly up at the draft board wondering what had gone so terribly wrong…

  12. Droidz1979

    Totally agree, we should have played Hill or Bender during the 2nd half when we were getting outrebounded and out-hustled by the likes of Warrick and Delfino. If indeed the season is over for our Knicks, maybe more playing time for Hill and Douglas should be the recipe for the day. At least we could better judge them if they deserve to stay here from 2010 onwards.

  13. Thomas B.

    These away broadcasters make me realize how lucky we are to have such strong broadcasters for NY. Both Radio and TV are far superior to anyone else I’ve heard.

  14. Droidz1979

    “I have a sense of impending doom tonight.
    This game is going to be soooo ugly…”

    This season was meant to be ugly with the line-up that the Knicks has, no decent PG, Darko @ the center position to start the season..somehow i was hoping for a minor personnel upgrade or miracle would come prior to the trade deadline without sacrificing that that hard earned cap space but that apparentlly seems bleak of happening. Might as well enjoy whatever win we get for the year and fast forward the season for the 2010 free agency. With all the competition that we have, it will surely be a test of how good a GM we had and after getting the right pieces, that would be the best time to see if it was indeed worth it to have D’ Antoni for a coach.

  15. Thomas B.

    I’m serious the guy doing the radio broadcast for the Cavs sounds like he is reading the “Farm Report.” They dont even have a color guy. Not every radio broadcast has a color person but he is so boring he could use one.

  16. Thomas B.

    Cavs radio guy: Shot…up…by..Gallinari…it…is………….good. Bueller,Bueller, Bueller.

  17. Robert Silverman

    LeBron is just being mean at this point. I mean, the Nix are just trying to play a nice game of basketball…

  18. Z

    His pts/36 is 75.

    Plus 5 assists, 3 rebounds, and 4 steals.

    By the time this is over he could possibly be the greatest single game stat line ever…

  19. Z

    Boy, for a game the Knicks were down 20 in the 1st quarter and haven’t erased any of the deficit, this has been a pretty fun 2nd quarter!

  20. Droidz1979

    Only gallo has 1 blk for the Knicks team?? does this mean that the Cavs has a free pass inside the lane?

    Take out Lebron’s 36 and the Knicks should have been leading by17 ;o)

  21. Droidz1979

    “Fun” would probably be drooling/hoping of what if Lebron’s stats were included to that of the Knicks instead of the other way around…

  22. nicos

    I’ll second Thomas B.- the cavs announcers (especially the play by play guy) are awful. It’s amazing how little homework most announcers do on the visiting team.

    A for the game- Hard to believe we’re only down 20. At least Gallo is putting on a nice show for LeBron. It’s as well as he’s played in awhile (though his -22 is the worst on the knicks it’s another example of how misleading +/- can be at times). As for the rest of the Knicks… Lee has a nice line but was beaten down the floor at least twice by Shaq- inexcusable. At least we might see Landry, Douglas, and Hill get big minutes in the 2nd half.

  23. Thomas B.

    Player on the floor for the Knicks with the highest point total is JJ with 10. Yeah that’ll get us back into this one.

  24. Kikuchiyo

    Truly the boy who cried wolf here…

    Knicks have come back to within 8, but no one has even commented in the last half hour.

    We know how this story ends.

  25. BigBlueAL

    I made that comment at half-time, they both played pretty poorly in the 3rd quarter and the team on the floor right now deserves to finish this game out in all honesty.

  26. GAx

    How did this happen…and why am I satisfied that we at least made it close again and Hickson isn’t smiling up a storm with every dunk?

  27. ess-dog

    yeah but Harrington really helped us on a few runs. I never thought I’d say this, but I could see bringing back Harrington for a fraction of his current contract.
    And I would never wish harm on anybody, but maybe someone could just weld the doors and windows of Duhon’s apartment shut so that he can’t get to the next few games. Just so Toney Douglas can get a foothold…

  28. marxster

    Take Bron out and the Cavs aren’t any better than the Knicks. There, is said it.
    Oh, and those Cavs announcers suck.

  29. nicos

    Nice effort but… I wish D’Antoni had put Gallo in for either Duhon or AH down the stretch, on one of the last possessions the Knicks tried to run the pick and roll with Duhon & Hill which, not surprisingly went nowhere so AH got the ball with 5 seconds on the clock and just chucked one- game over. Having Gallo (even if you’re switching him offense/defense) to stretch the floor in the last two minutes would have helped. At the same time that unit did play us back into the game so I understand wanting them to finish the game.

    Hill did play well but he’s got terrible hands- maybe the game’s still moving a little quickly for him but I’ve seen more balls bounce off of his hands and chest than anyone other than Jeffries. Hopefully, another summer in the weight room and a little more experience and he’ll hold on to those- just that improvement alone would make him a pretty solid rotation guy.

  30. d-mar

    Could Duhon hit ONE shot, one damn shot? That 3 to tie the game would have made things very interesting, I’m sure the Cavs win anyway because of LBJ, but it could have at least put a real scare into them. Give D’Antoni credit for finding a group with grit and staying with them, although I agree we should have had Gallo in at the end.

  31. DS

    “Cavs Show ‘No Place Like Home’ Clip During Game Against Knicks”
    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64527/20100206/cavs_show_no_place_like_home_clip_during_game_against_knicks/

    That seems like a desperate plea by the Cavs. I wonder if LeBron thought about how different the end of the game would have been if he swapped jerseys. I’m sure his only thought was, “whoa, how did the lead get down to 3? Enough dicking around, let me singlehandedly crush these guys.”

  32. DS

    Man, the ‘Cats and the Heat are reeling. We could have been in the mix if we hadn’t lost those games to Washington and Minny.

  33. Brian Cronin

    The media coverage of the last two Knick losses has been insane.

    It’s like the Knicks pissed in the collective media’s Corn Flakes.

    First, after a halfway decent game by Jennings, it’s “Jennings shows up the Knicks!”

    And now last night’s game story was all about how the Cavs were showing Lebron why he shouldn’t join the “woeful Knicks.”

    Bizarre.

  34. Brian Cronin

    Man, the ‘Cats and the Heat are reeling. We could have been in the mix if we hadn’t lost those games to Washington and Minny.

    While their odds are poor, I think the Knicks are still in the mix now due to the other teams playing so poorly, as you noted. It’s “only” 4 games out in the loss column for the Knicks.

  35. bbbb00123

    Alright i’ve got a question that has to do with trade exceptions. Would we be able to do something like.. trade Jarred Jeffries to the Magic for absolutely nothing because of Hedo Turkoglu’s trade excpetion? Is something like that possible??

  36. Brian Cronin

    Also, it sure helps to have Miami playing so poorly. That can’t make Wade happy!

    The Knicks next year with Wade would be better than the Heat next year with Wade, right?

  37. Brian Cronin

    Alright i’ve got a question that has to do with trade exceptions. Would we be able to do something like.. trade Jarred Jeffries to the Magic for absolutely nothing because of Hedo Turkoglu’s trade excpetion? Is something like that possible??

    Yes, that’s possible.

    Well, not possible in the sense that the Magic would never do it, but possible in the sense that if the Magic were so inclined, then yes, they could do it.

  38. d-mar

    “The media coverage of the last two Knick losses has been insane.”

    Berman in the Post today, looking into his infallible crystal ball, told Cavs fans they have nothing to worry about, LeBron is staying put. I’m sure Cavs management and fans are breathing a huge sigh of relief and thanking Berman profusely for his assurances.

    “The Knicks next year with Wade would be better than the Heat next year with Wade, right?”

    Yeah, but of all the FA”s out there, I think Wade is least likely to come to NY and most likely to stay put, esp. if they land Bosh.

  39. bbbb00123

    Thanks Brian, I wasn’t quite sure if you could do something like that. But.. why wouldn’t orlando do something along those lines? They get a free role player, and they aren’t going to be players in next years free agent class anyway right?

  40. Brian Cronin

    They get a free role player, and they aren’t going to be players in next years free agent class anyway right?

    They’re already way maxed out due to re-signing Gortat and signing Brandon Bass (they’ve already dedicated $78 million in salary next year), so I don’t see them adding on another $7 million next year for a player who wouldn’t be a major addition for them.

  41. Brian Cronin

    I’m not discussing it because doing so is what the NBA wants – they want people to talk about it like it’s a serious point when it’s really basically a joke designed to better their bargaining position in a couple of years “We asked for this, but we’re compromising and taking this!”

    And yet the same media I was just complaining about earlier will dutifully report it like it’s real news and do the NBA’s bidding.

  42. Z

    “so I don’t see them adding on another $7 million next year for a player who wouldn’t be a major addition for them.”

    Yeah. Jeffries would have a carrying cost of $14 million after taxes.

    The Magic are already the #2 defense in the league, so Jeffries positives (ie, drawing charges) are minimized. But if Otis Smith wants to splurge, Jeffries would probably help the Magic’s chances of coming out of the east again. But he comes at a very high cost to them.

  43. bbbb00123

    Alright i agree 14 million dollars isn’t worth it for what little bit jeffries brings to the table. Another idea that probably won’t work, but.. Eddy Curry AND Jarred Jeffries to Houston, along with Nate, Will, and Jordan Hill. Houston sends back T-Mac, and two scrubs- Joey Dorsey and J. Taylor.

    We get rid of Eddy Curry and Jarred Jeffires, freeing up all of our cap space. The price we pay is losing two prospects in Will and Hill.

    Houston ends up giving away almost no talent, and at the cost of a little salary they pick up Ill Will, Jordan Hill, and Nate Robinson. Plus they could possibly use Jeffries as well. I don’t think Houston is a player in free agency next year, so the added salary wouldn’t hurt too much for the increased talent.

  44. Brian Cronin

    Houston has a little under $40 million committed next year.

    Even if the cap is ridiculously small ($50 million), that would leave them with $10 million to spend (that’s presuming they don’t re-sign Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola, of course).

    They likely will try to re-sign Scola, so I suppose then yeah, they won’t have much cap room, but if they traded for Jeffries and Curry, they’d be going over the cap (and into luxury tax territory) for two players they don’t want, and that would be before they even tried to re-sign Scola!!

    That’s why Houston is not currently willing to even take on Jeffries’s salary, let alone Curry’s.

  45. BigBlueAL

    The casual Heat fan (which is like 95% of all Heat fans) dont think there is a chance in hell Wade leaves because they just assume who would want to leave Miami.

    BUT the real hardcore Heat fans and to me the best NBA writer down here Ira Winderman think there is a very good chance he leaves. Wade has sulked and complained alot this season. There has been alot of criticism of head coach Erick Spoelstra and with the direction the team is heading (which is a bit short-sighted imo). Also Beasley is an enigma and besides him there is no young talent on this team whatsoever.

    In the end I dont think Wade will leave and if he does it will definitely only be to join another max FA somewhere but it is not a 100% bet that Wade is staying in Miami.

  46. ess-dog

    If Wade really wants to win a championship, he should go to Houston and Houston should hold off on Scola. It’s the perfect fit for Wade. Great pg’s in Brooks and Lowry, Ariza and Battier, Landry and hopefully a healthy Yao… and a great seasoned coach. In a tax free city.
    As long as we’re talking crazy trades: Curry, Chandler and Duhon for Ray Allen?

  47. Z

    “In the end I don’t think Wade will leave and if he does it will definitely only be to join another max FA somewhere but it is not a 100% bet that Wade is staying in Miami.”

    The Heat have more cap space to work with this summer than anyone. In fact, if they renounce James Jones, the Heat will easily have enough space to sign 2 max free agents to play ALONG SIDE Wade.

    Yes, that means Wade can not-opt out and the Heat can still sign LeBron and Bosh.

    Just sayin’.

  48. BigBlueAL

    Thats why I said if he leaves it would have to be to play with another superstar because the Heat will definitely be able to bring in another max FA so I cant see Wade leaving just to leave. If he leaves its because he and another max FA want to play with eachother somewhere else, say I dunno NYC!!!!

  49. Z

    That makes sense, but you’re right also about it being a long shot. Why does Ira Winderman think there is a “very good” chance Wade leaves? Because Wade and LeBron have a handshake agreement to play together in the biggest market that can support them? Would they rather play together in NY than play together WITH Bosh in Miami?

  50. BigBlueAL

    He doesnt say that there is a very good chance but more that it is alot more possible than many Heat fans think. I guess I shouldnt have said very good chance I take that part back.

    Alot of it has to do with Beasley (many reports say that Wade doesnt like him both on and off the court) and Spoelstra (although Ira believes thats not true and that Wade has a very good relationship with him). Also again I mean they literally have nothing on the roster to move forward with other than Beasley since Chalmers and Cook have regressed big time this season. Chandler, Gallo, Hill and TD seem like a championship core compared to what the Heat have going forward. So yes the Heat will have the absurd amount of cap space but they are a team who have become cheap in terms of not going over the luxery tax and just the constant reports of Wade not being happy down here.

    I too think its just Wade posturing to make sure the Heat dont go cheap in the off-season and really go all out and I think he will stay since the Heat will get a big guy down here (Bosh, Boozer or Amare) at the minimum but where as in the past I never considered Wade leaving Miami there is now a slight possibility where he might leave Miami imho.

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