Too bad Felton didn’t know that when he drove the lane and hit the game winner against the Knicks this season…

The key part of that sentence was “against the Knicks.”

Chris Duhon can drive to the basket against the Knicks.

Too bad Felton didn’t know that when he drove the lane and hit the game winner against the Knicks this season…

Felton is a bad offensive player why is actually not great finishing around the rim and only saw his TS% rise this year because he actually made some three pointers, but as Ted said, his three point shooting improvement could be a fluke and I really don’t want to bet 8-10 mil per for 5 seasons that it was real.

I would rather roll the dice on Douglas than go all in with a player like Felton. If we are desperate for a point guard I bet we can use our cap space and pry Collison from New Orleans. Say a conditional second rounder and cash for Posey and Collison, or Curry and Chandler for Collison and Okafor. I don’t know, I just know I don’t want to pay big money for average players.

We need to be smart and even though moving forward with the same team as last year would be frustrating it would be much wiser than handing out bad contracts just so we can say we did something, I mean how well did that work out for Detroit last year.

I would be for building a defensive minded team. I preferred hiring Skiles or Avery Johnson to hiring D’Antoni. I just don’t see Walsh suddenly reversing course and cutting out D’Antoni. If it’s the best move I hope he does, but I doubt he will. I just don’t know that giving 5 year 10 mill contracts to Haywood and Felton is the best move.

I think it is a team he’d hate. He’s going to regret it should they bring in Felton. That’s a huge mistake is the rumors are true. He was also psyched about Duhon, which is why I constantly suggest that the guy is not the genius people make him out to be.
He will hate playing 2 bigmen together. He hated it in Phoenix. He wouldn’t do it the last two seasons. I doubt he signs off on a guy like Haywood who is lumbering and can’t shoot. Maybe he has no choice, but I think he’s gone by the end of the season if the Knicks bring in Haywood and Lee.

Please, please, please show me any trend over the last three seasons that suggests Felton has improved consistently. Two and three years ago he was the same player. The same player he was his first 4 seasons.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/feltora01.html
There are the numbers. They’re not hidden info, it’s right there. What category got better from 07-08 and then got better again from 08-09 to 09-10?????? That’s what an improvement would entail. He got better from 08-09 to 09-10… there’s no denying that. What makes you think that was a sustainable improvement and not a fluke?

Berri’s stats are interesting, but do you realize how many wins 55 is? Do you realize how controversial/unpopular Berri’s metrics are even within the statistical community?

Basically, I disagree that team would win 55 games. Period. Especially playing for Mike D’Antoni. For Larry Brown or JVG that’s probably a playoff team, but not a 55 win serious title contender.

You might be right. It’s just too depressing to comtemplate the same team next year. Which is what resigning Lee would give us. I don’t know that TD can learn to distribute. If he can, fantastic. If he can’t, I don’t know I can take another year of this. It’s so bad I’m making a case for Raymond Felton, for Chrissake.

FELTON

2008
WP48 .048 Wins 3
2009
WP48 .095 Wins 6
2010
WP48 .172 Wins 9

Looks like steady improvement to me. And again, he is a complementary talent – because he isn’t generally a good shooter, but can penetrate (no one we have can penetrate), and he’s good defensively.

I didn’t say he was ideal. Chris Paul, you know, he just may be a little better. He also isn’t really available. Kyle Lowry and Steve Blake are, but they are not as good. So it would depend on price. Felton at 8m makes sense to me. I’d rather that then Lowry or Blake at 6m.

I want none of them at 10m. But…maybe I’d compromise on Felton at that, because he fills a need we aren’t able to get filled any other way soon.

Felton is better than Duhon, but what does that really say? On their careers they’re pretty close. You are taking one season of Felton and assuming he got better, and not that he got lucky or is an underachiever who strapped on his boots in a contract year after turning down what I remember being an $8 mill per long-term deal last offseason…

PG is one of the easiest positions to fill with someone serviceable. There are tons of guys who are 6′ to 6’5″ and can play basketball. If you can get a real difference maker along the Magic, Kidd, Nash, Paul lines or a bit below that they’re worth it, but it’s not worth $5+ mill per for a marginal difference between someone like Felton and someone like Lowry.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=duhonch01&y1=2010&p2=feltora01&y2=2010&p3=lowryky01&y3=2010

Defense: Haywood is above average, Gallo is above average (not sure why you didn’t see that last season), Felton is above average. Lee is below average (not sure why you didn’t see THAT last season), and Miller is below average. Which, yeah, does mean middle-of-the-road, but that’s better than bottom of the barrel.

I’d agree that it isn’t D’Antoni’s ideal lineup, but it isn’t so far off as you suggest: the Knicks are reportedly going to offer to Felton, so there’s that, he does like Lee, and Miller is his kind of guy. Haywood, no, but otherwise, it certainly isn’t a team he’d hate. All those guys can pass and playmake. Felton can’t shoot from outside, but otherwise, he has improved A LOT from two years ago – I checked the numbers. I’m not sure why you say there isn’t a trend; go look it up before you judge the guy.

As for Miller and Haywood on the Wiz, Haywood was traded, so take away half his wins, and they had their fair share of net negative players as well. Plus/minus two games, and I bet Berri was within parameters.

Lastly, I SAID that Berri’s metrics weren’t perfect. They’re pretty damn good, though. I do think Lee and Gallo accounted for the lion’s share of the wins. Some players, like Duhon and Jeffries, were actually negatives, so if you take into account we had guys getting serious playing time who were costing us wins, and Chandler was average and hurt a lot, and Nate was above average but sat for a long time and was then trade, yes, I would guess the numbers would add up. We had a totally crap team last year but for Lee and Gallo.