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Monday, December 9, 2013

2010-2011 Game Thread Knicks vs. Warriors

By - Published: 11/10/2010 - 224 Comments

Your in game thoughts here. Home win would be nice.

I just found out that Wilson Chandler will be inserted into the starting line-up and will play power forward next to Amare Stoudemire.  Mozgov hits the bench.  I wondered how long D’Antoni would start the rookie at center.  Now we know: Seven games.  Oh well, I don’t think we will see a big change in defense, but Chandler may help the rebounding.  The only consequence may be to the bench scoring.  Through the first five games New York’s bench was arguably one of the best reserve units.  Very interesting.

224 comments on “2010-2011 Game Thread Knicks vs. Warriors”

  9. latke

    this game could be fool’s gold. It will be a shootout, and whoever is hotter is going to win. I won’t feel much better from a win unless it’s a true blowout.

  12. Frank O.

    latke: this game could be fool’s gold.It will be a shootout, and whoever is hotter is going to win.I won’t feel much better from a win unless it’s a true blowout.  

    Beggars can’t be choosers.
    I’ll take a win.

  13. massive

    marxster: Hey massive, how did you manage to set up an avatar, I don’t see that option on my member page?  

    For a while during the summer, there was something along the bottom of the web page stating that you had to set up an account with gravatar.com, and then take it from there. Can’t remember how exactly I did it, but I think there’s something on the website (gravatar.com) that explains it to you.

  14. jaylamerique

    latke: this game could be fool’s gold.It will be a shootout, and whoever is hotter is going to win.I won’t feel much better from a win unless it’s a true blowout.  

    you want a blowout.? do they give extra wins for those because all i want is a win.

  15. Frank O.

    Spree8nyk8: so is Mozgov out of the rotation now?  

    Probably not. Just probably started with small lineup for match ups.
    Sure we’ll see Mosgov tonight/

  16. tastycakes

    Classy tribute to Lee — when I look back on the Knicks’ lost decade, his play will be the only fond memory.

  19. tastycakes

    Less Moz and more Gallo/Fields/Chandler/Turiaf would be OK by me. In my amateur opinion, he doesn’t look super ready thus far.

    Looks like Gallo is awake tonight, which is nice. Think these two teams are gonna score some points? Should be a fun game to watch.

  42. Robert Silverman

    Brian Cronin: Hey, I’ve been sticking up for Landry Fields since draft night!!  

    Fine. You can have him on weekdays. I get alternate weekends…fair?

  43. Brian Cronin

    By the by, to downgrade my horn tooting, I never thought he’d be this good when I stuck up for him then. I just thought he was a good second round pick and I was irked that people (*cough*Chad Ford*cough*) acted like he wasn’t.

  44. ess-dog

    AR seems like a guy that needs to get a “flow” going. Maybe the Turiaf injury is just what he needs to get going.
    My original sentiment this season was that we should start with Gallo, AR and Stat in the starting lineup. I still think we should try it eventually.

  46. Brian Cronin

    My original sentiment this season was that we should start with Gallo, AR and Stat in the starting lineup. I still think we should try it eventually.

    Agreed.

  55. jaylamerique

    Robert Silverman:
    As long as the statement isn’t, “I miss Steve Nash!”  

    i hope so. if he cant score against lee and rodmonivich (sp?) than i’ve lost all hope for this team

  61. Robert Silverman

    Looks like Tripucka just realized that the “Stand around and watch Amar’e offense” is a problem

  69. tastycakes

    I like that STAT is getting to the line, but the offense really isn’t flowing. Where are the pick-and-rolls? Isn’t Amar’e supposed to be “the best dive man in the NBA?” or something?

  76. Z

    I wish Eddy was in action tonight. I want to see, once and for all, which Curry is better, theirs or ours…

  77. Z

    Anybody else have a hard time differentiating between Gallo and Fields in the standard long-shot on television? I wish one of them would wear a two digit number. (Either that or I should just go up stairs and find my glasses).

  78. Z

    I actually figured out a way to differentiate just fine. I just assume it is Fields and 95% of the time I’m right.

  79. danvt

    Z: Anybody else have a hard time differentiating between Gallo and Fields in the standard long-shot on television? I wish one of them would wear a two digit number. (Either that or I should just go up stairs and find my glasses).  

    I thought it was my dumb internet setup. But I think one of the commentators mistook the two as well.

  87. Thomas B. Post author

    Funny thing about Felton, he was driving to the basket often in the first three games but then he got happy with the deep jumper. I don’t like that. Douglas is doing that too and he has been really careless with the ball.

  103. ess-dog

    also, Lee and Amare have identical lines so far:
    Lee- 21 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 4 stl, 0 blocks
    Amare- 20 pts, 9 reb, 2 ast, 3 stl, 0 blocks

    extra 4 mil a year well spent.

  105. Robert Silverman

    ess-dog: also, Lee and Amare have identical lines so far:
    Lee- 21 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 4 stl, 0 blocks
    Amare- 20 pts, 9 reb, 2 ast, 3 stl, 0 blocksextra 4 mil a year well spent.  

    Except Stat has SIX turnovers

  111. Frank O.

    And why is WC shooting from the 3 so much.
    Curry back door.
    Hmmm. Think you might want to defend that?

  115. ess-dog

    Frank O.: And why is WC shooting from the 3 so much.
    Curry back door.
    Hmmm. Think you might want to defend that?  

    Wil is the only one making any threes…

  120. Frank O.

    ess-dog:
    Wil is the only one making any threes…  

    I realize, but our good 3 pt shooters are hardly taking any. specifically, Gallo has taken 3 total.
    Averages dictate that the better 3pt shooters need to keep pumping them. WC isn’t as good from 3.

  121. David Crockett

    Defensively, NY has no clue.

    They’re playing harder than some previous Knick teams but I don’t see a coherent defensive philosophy. It’s just guys running around. For instance, on the screen roll are we hedging? Are we doubling the passer to delay the pass to the screener? What are we doing, other than giving up layups?

  123. irvin00

    Dying by the 3. What’s new under the Dantoni sky? The only consolation is that there is “ten new guys” and the season is only 5 losses old. No reason to panic just yet :-)

  124. tastycakes

    I’ve been pretty patient with D’Antoni, and he’s clearly not going to get canned after 8 games, but I expect better from this team.

    Through the first 6, I felt like this team at least was showing fight every night, but tonight is eerily reminscent of the last two years.

  125. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Fields is labeled as being not all that athletic, but he looks awfully quick in the lane and slashing. Looks athletic as hell.

  127. Z

    Considering how bad they’ve been, I still think the Knicks will win. (If I had Ewing Balls I’d guarantee it)

  130. tastycakes

    I also didn’t realize Fields’ athleticism, but that follow dunk last night was ridiculous.

    Knicks benefiting from FT shooting. Can’t believe it’s 3.

  132. The Honorable Cock Jowles

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  133. ess-dog

    tastycakes: I’ve been pretty patient with D’Antoni, and he’s clearly not going to get canned after 8 games, but I expect better from this team.Through the first 6, I felt like this team at least was showing fight every night, but tonight is eerily reminscent of the last two years.  

    Agree. stat replaces lee. inefficient WC replaces crazy spin move Al. Gallo and TD are themselves. Turiaf is Barron and/or Jeffries. Felton is 2009 Duhon instead of 2010 Duhon. Doesn’t feel very different at all.

  134. tastycakes

    Also, why in the world does Keith Smart have Radman on the floor in crunch time?? (not that I’m complaining mind you)

  137. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Un-flippin’-real.

    Chandler slows down a fast break opportunity by meandering up the court, then bricks a three.

    A couple possessions later, he draws a foul to push the Warriors into the penalty with 3 minutes remaining.

    Mind games, I tell you–

  138. tastycakes

    I know somebody here was complaining the Knicks weren’t getting calls, but the way I saw it, the Knicks were benefiting big time from non-calls during their run late in the 3rd, and this call sending Chandler to the line?? Wow.

    (Also, Felton’s 4 point play and then a no-call on Reggie Williams’ 3 on the other end).

  139. Frank O.

    ess-dog:
    Agree.stat replaces lee.inefficient WC replaces crazy spin move Al.Gallo and TD are themselves.Turiaf is Barron and/or Jeffries.Felton is 2009 Duhon instead of 2010 Duhon.Doesn’t feel very different at all.  

    Man, I have to say I think Turiaf is getting unnecessarily dissed by a bunch of folks on this board.
    He’s playing some of the best D for the Knicks than any center they have had since Ewing. Now, that’s not saying too much, and it’s still early. But there is no reason to be unhappy with his game.
    His D has been very good. His rebounding is solid and he is tough.
    I never thought he was going to be great, but he has been more than adequate.

  150. ess-dog

    If we win this game, it will prove Ted’s theorem that if the Knicks take at least 25 threes, they will win (or at least almost win.)

  152. Frank O.

    That was piss poor. Four KNicks give up on the play and Chandler makes a great play but gets no help.

    No STAT chokes on the line/.

  166. Frank O.

    stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid,stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

  168. tastycakes

    BigBlueAL, really?

    Al Harrington
    Eddy Curry
    Jared Jeffries
    Chris Duhon
    The Corpse of Tracy McGrady
    Larry Hughes
    Need I say more?

  171. tastycakes

    I have agreed with Tripucka’s anti-3 stance all game, but at this point, you actually sort of do need a 3.

    Obviously we’re going to get one.

  176. David Crockett

    Frank O.: stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid,

    stupid [facepalm], stupid [facepalm], stupid [facepalm], stupid [facepalm], stupid [facepalm], stupid [facepalm], stupid [facepalm], stupid [facepalm], stupid [facepalm]… oh wait, STAT just hit a three.

  180. David Crockett

    These effers are going to make this loss even more agonizing — or this win even more glorious.

    Effers.

  182. tastycakes

    Yeah, I can’t say I’ve been all that entertained. I would almost feel bad if the Knicks won.

    ALMOST

  194. irvin00

    How freaking beautiful: the game on the line, Chandler takes a 3 and misses!
    6/27 on 3′s – the Dantoni System at its best!!!!!!

  196. BigBlueAL

    Fucking brilliant, give it to the worst 3pt shooter in the planet. I swear the Knicks collective basketball IQ is below 0. Cant wait to see this team get their asses handed to them by the T’Wolves.

  197. rama

    Well, I did predict a 3-7 start before catching fire in the new year as the players figure each other out and begin to gel and they finish 40-42.

    I just didn’t think it would hurt this bad.

  200. Frank O.

    #@%&^*#$#@%^%$#&*^%$#@!
    I got league pass this year.

    Still can’t believe there were four GS players around WC and no Knicks came to help…

  202. jaylamerique

    you guys unfairly hate on chandler. yes he takes to many 3s but he had a pretty good game and shot well from distance in the game… I certainly did not want TD shooting that shot. the options for that shot were either gallo or chandler once felton gave the ball up..

  203. rama

    irvin, we get it: you hate D’Antoni. Funny thing is, NONE OF US HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER FIRING HIM. So can you let ease up for once? You say the same freaking thing in every post. I doubt anyone is impressed with the job he’s done, but…saying it over and over, without any elaboration, nuance, or further point to saying it is just pointless.

  204. Z

    Chandler is the most confident mother-fucker I’ve ever seen.

    I wonder if he boards the team plane and immediately takes a seat in the cockpit.

  205. BigBlueAL

    Also I remember a time when MSG was impossible to go into and win if you were the road team. Now its probably the easiest place in the NBA to go to and get a win on the road.

  206. Frank O.

    Fields had another nice night. Only Knick with a decent +/-, +9.

    He’s smarter than his teammates. Keep the ball away from him. Do gooder, know it all fancy pants, Robert spouse.

  207. jaylamerique

    rama: irvin, we get it: you hate D’Antoni.Funny thing is, NONE OF US HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER FIRING HIM.So can you let ease up for once?You say the same freaking thing in every post.I doubt anyone is impressed with the job he’s done, but…saying it over and over, without any elaboration, nuance, or further point to saying it is just pointless.  

    thank you. i thought i was the only one that noticed this

  209. Frank O.

    I keep reliving the Bucks fans counting down 5-4-3-2-1, and the Knicks rushing shots because they’re not watching their own shot clock.
    This team does dumb things, constantly.
    They’re like Rocky without a knock out punch.

  210. irvin00

    @rama:

    I don’t hate D’Antoni – I hate the way he coaches.

    And sorry about the repetition – but the way the team plays, we are all guilty of the same: too many threes, why is chandler taking them, etc. etc.

    Don’t take your frustration out on me, PLEASE :-)))))

  211. d-mar

    Forget Lee and STAT, Steph Curry was the best player on the floor tonight. That kid is so damn smooth, NEVER misses an open shot and has that Rondo-like ability to finish around the basket without even leaving his feet. He just took us apart.

  212. jaylamerique

    d-mar: Forget Lee and STAT, Steph Curry was the best player on the floor tonight. That kid is so damn smooth, NEVER misses an open shot and has that Rondo-like ability to finish around the basket without even leaving his feet. He just took us apart.  

    so your saying we should hate the Warriors for taking him 7th because im still angry about that

  213. Frank O.

    d-mar: Forget Lee and STAT, Steph Curry was the best player on the floor tonight. That kid is so damn smooth, NEVER misses an open shot and has that Rondo-like ability to finish around the basket without even leaving his feet. He just took us apart.  

    would have been nice to have gotten him.

  216. irvin00

    Too early to panic, boys: the season is young and we can still achieve the 53 losses with our “ten new guys”. Remember that according to our “in-house pseudo-guru” the best thing to do when missing 3′s is to keep on shooting them! (reminds me of the 10% discount comercial: “the more you shop, the more you save!”).

    I say it loud and clear: D’Antoni must go. That’s the solution. Sorry, Rama – but I feel it’s my duty as a Knick fan to point my team in the right direction; if more fans do the same, management may listen…

  217. BigBlueAL

    @ 204 is by far the comment of the night!!!!!!

    Also I apologize for my dramatic, overreaction comments during and shortly after the game. Unfortunately I like most of you just want to believe in this team so much losses like this are beyond frustrating.

  219. totti

    problem from last year: pg skills and a true center

    problems from this year: pg skills and a true center

    ah, the same coach……….

  220. nicos

    Can someone please tell Toney Douglas that he’s not Gary Payton? When Jeremy Lin has the ball by all means pressure him every play but if you do it against Curry or Ellis they’re going to burn you. Curry was in the lane way too much tonight- now Curry is really good and he’s going to get into the lane some but you don’t need to help him by overplaying the ball every time down court. And while it’s nice to see the Knicks actually help on defense not everybody needs to help on every play- too many times the Knicks had 2 or 3 guys rotating into the paint to help leaving guys wide open on the perimeter- that late three by Wright where Gallo left him open even though there was little need for him to be pinching into the lane was a particularly bad one.

    Also wasn’t crazy about D’Antoni using that last time out when he did- also took a 20 with two and change left when it probably wasn’t necessary.

    It’ll be interesting to see how many minutes (if any) Mozgov gets when Turiaf comes back. 3 fouls in two minutes tonight- it seems like between fouls and turnovers the whistle is just constantly blowing whenever he’s in the game.

  221. BigBlueAL

    I have defended D’Antoni alot and I admit I am losing patience with him and this team but the thing is who would you hire if you fired him right now??

    Sorry but Jeff Van Gundy as much as I would love for him to come back aint ever working for James Dolan again so who is available right now who is worth hiring to fire D’Antoni??

  223. latke

    Just a general comment here — this season seems to me to represent a real shift for the NBA in that really talented point guards/small guards are everywhere. We’ve known this was happening for a while, but I feel like this year is the year that it becomes an absolute reality.

    Mike Conley, Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, Jrue Holiday, Brandon Jennings, Eric Gordon, Darren Collison and perhaps even our own Toney Douglas (I know tonight’s not a night to praise him…) all seem poised to have breakout seasons.

    Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry both seem to have taken steps forward

    Tyreke Evans hasn’t shown much improvement statistically, but he’s another young player of this mold.

    John Wall…

    Rajon Rondo is now probably the best player on the Celtics.

    The league seems to be becoming much more of a small guard’s league, and more than that, other than Rondo and maybe Conley, all these guards are very good scorers. It’s been a cliché for a while that the undersized scoring/combo guard — the guy who has a point guard’s handle but perhaps looks to score more often than distribute — is fool’s gold. People often say you can’t win with these players, citing Iverson, Marbury, Francis. It seems like that’s changing, and it’s changing the look and feel of the NBA.

  224. Nick C.

    jaylamerique: thank you. i thought i was the only one that noticed this  (Quote)

    I think a lot of people or alt least I post as if the comments were invisible. No one wants to engage another Itallian Stallion or Clyde Police or Williamatumiam or whatever that thing was, etc. and generate dozens of posts.

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