Comments on: 2009 Summer League: Game 2 Recap

By: ess-dog

ess-dog — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:11:16 +0000

Right. I have a hard time imagining Hill being as efficient as Noah or Lee for that matter. I want to see how he is on the pick and roll and how well he passes out of the post while playing with good players before I judge too harshly. One thing that Hill can do already is finish off the fast break, but you need to play DEFENSE to be able to start the fast break… sigh…

By: Mike Kurylo

Mike Kurylo — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:24:45 +0000

“Just to put things in perspective, Joakim Noah averaged 5.5 rebounds and 6.5 pts in his first year, and everyone here were willing to trade Lee midseason for him.”

9.8 reb/36 & 11.5 pts/36, and consider that the rebounding jumped to 11.3 with 2.0 blk/36 and a 59.4% ts% last year…

By: ess-dog

ess-dog — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:57:49 +0000

Just to put things in perspective, Joakim Noah averaged 5.5 rebounds and 6.5 pts in his first year, and everyone here were willing to trade Lee midseason for him. If Hill can roughly put up those numbers while averaging 20 minutes and be efficient about it, I’d be relatively pleased. I don’t think he’ll ever be Amare, but he already looks better than Wilcox. I wish he was a better shotblocker, but maybe he’ll improve in that area. He’s about a 1.3 bpg player but we need him to be a 2 bpg player. Like I said, I would’ve liked to take a swing at Jennings, but at #8, Hill’s a pretty average pick, not good or bad.
The Bucks board on RealGM is pretty funny re: us offering Sessions the midlevel. They want us to take back Gadzuric. And while there is a great deal of love for Sessions, many are convinced that Jennings is the 2nd coming. And it surprised me how universally loved Bogut is by the fans. They see him as their best player hands down. I guess he did school Lee a few times last year, but he hardly seems like a franchise player to me.

By: Frank

Frank — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:26:32 +0000

I was also not that impressed by Hill, but really, I think we are getting bent out of shape by a couple of summer league games. What I see is a guy who has a great motor and will be a good-excellent rebounder in this league. He also clearly is quite athletic and improved so much in a few years at Arizona that you’d have to think his ceiling is way above where his game is now. He was always going to be a little bit of a project, and I’d be surprised if he averaged more than 15 min/game this year, but that’s fine. If he’s still just a project in 2 years, I’d be more worried.

Who I have been reasonably impressed with is Skita — anyone here not think he’s got a roster spot pretty much guaranteed at this point? Granted it’s summer league but the shots he is hitting are basically the shots he would be shooting in a real game (mostly uncontested 3′s). A small 5 game sample but if my math is right, we’re talking a TS% of 65.7, 18.6 points/40, 2.4 blocks/40. 62 points on 41 shots is pretty good for anyone in any league.

By: cwod

cwod — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:35:09 +0000

Jordan Hill wasn’t too impressive to me. Assuming he gets into better shape for the season, I think he could be a nice energy/rebounder guy off the bench. You know, like everyone said about David Lee, except this time it’s actually true. Hill’s mid-range game is kind of overrated, as mid-range games from PFs often are.

Not exactly what I hoped for from #8, but the end of the lottery is always a weird place.

By: Mike Kurylo

Mike Kurylo — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:28:19 +0000

2009 Summer League: Game 3 Recap

the team looked lousy, and we’ve grown bored. :)

Sorry folks, been real busy, trying to catch up to games on the PVR. It’d help if the Knicks actually played well or won a game. Also would help if they took more than a single night off. I have an idea for the summer league games, I’m keeping them all – and may do some breakdowns on them.

By: Ted Nelson

Ted Nelson — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:56:21 +0000

I would hardly call the similarity between Hill and Wilcox striking. Wilcox was an inefficient scorer in college, and there are constantly allegations of motivational issues swirling around him.

At $3 mill per I think the Pistons got a good bargain, though. Wilcox will only be 27 next season. Not too often you get a big guy in his prime with his production for $3 mill per: .560 TS%, 15.4 pts/36, and 14.2 reb-rate career. Maybe if you pick up an under-the-radar vet from Europe…
Of course, Detroit is also eating Oberto’s salary this season.
I’m wondering if the Piston’s culture is strong enough as this point to absorb a bunch of guys with attitude question marks. Dumars seems to be going down a similar path as Walsh did at the end of his time in Indy and Thorn has done recently in NJ, and ignoring attitude all together.

BTW, interesting that the rumors were that Layden was enamored with Wilcox with the #7 pick in 2002. As Knicks fans we always tend to fantasize about no McDyess trade and a Camby and Amare/Nene front court of Caron Butler on the wing for the past 7 seasons, but in reality the Knicks probably would have taken Wilcox and then grossly overpaid him when his contract was up.

By: Brian Cronin

Brian Cronin — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:21:29 +0000

I think we should have a headline for “Pistons sign Knick Power Forward” and have after the fold that it’s Chris Wilcox.

By the by, $6 million for two years is more than I thought Wilcox would get, so good on him.

By: Z

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:25:47 +0000

“Damn everyone hates Jordan Hill already. Christ he wasnt that bad during the Summer League and you can see his potential.”

He is strikingly similar to another former #8 pick and (now officially) former Knick, Chris Wilcox. Anyone know Wilcox’s summer league stats off hand?!? Wilcox was good enough for one year to get a Malik Rose like contract. Not biggest bust at the 8 slot, but definitely Knick fans were shooting higher…

By: Ted Nelson

Ted Nelson — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:12:38 +0000

Interesting that Isiah passed up Sessions late in the 2nd in favor of Demetris Nichols, yet the consensus is that Sessions is a basketball-god and Isiah should still be doing the Knicks drafting…

I wasn’t thrilled with Hill, but the next 5 guys drafted were DeRozan, Jennings, Terrence Williams, Henderson, and Hansbrough. My biggest beef was probably not trading down where a lot of guys represented value for where they were picked and Walsh could have also gotten another asset(s), but given the next 5 guys drafted I’m not too upset.