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Friday, December 19, 2014

2009 Stat Page is Up!

Good news – I have the 2009 stat page up & running! There are some new improvements I’ve made this year. The first is that I’m using the same stats as Basketball-Reference.com. Hence all per minute calculations are per 36 minutes. But also our formulas for team possessions & efficiency are the same, which means there shouldn’t be any differences between the stats on our pages. (Checking a couple by eye shows this to be true). Additionally the change in possession equations should mean that our PER should be the same as well. B-R doesn’t use team turnovers when calculating PER, but I do. To make up the difference I’m using a multiplier on turnovers so that my value should be close or equal to B-R’s.

I’ve also tried to account for traded players (something the Knicks may encounter this year). When a player gets traded, in the past they would no longer appear on the former team’s stat page. This year they will appear, but with the word “(Traded)” next to their name. Hence you’ll be able to more easily compare a player’s stats before and after they move to a new team.

Unfortunately the download link isn’t working at this time. (Does anyone regularly download the stats? I’m curious let me know.) That will be up by Monday morning.

Oh the best part of the stat page: the Knicks are #2 in offensive efficiency!

106 comments on “2009 Stat Page is Up!

  1. Gorky

    I would have kept it as homage to the Sonics, but OK.

    Also, the link to “A Layman’s Guide” is broken. Where can I find it?

  2. Italian Stallion

    Great stuff.

    Seeing Miami and New York at the top of the PACE stats is pretty remarkable given the history. ;-)

  3. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    I would have kept it as homage to the Sonics, but OK.

    Also, the link to “A Layman’s Guide” is broken. Where can I find it?

    Fixed the link to that on the stat page. You can also find it on every page of the blog (just under the title).

  4. Owen

    awe inspiringly bad defense by Zach and the rest so far….

    And we can’t hit a jumpshot. Bring in Nate please….

  5. cwod

    Nate and Chandler are in, looking good. Chandler actually hit a wide-open Crawford for a corner three.

  6. Owen

    Yeah I saw that. He does look good. Now if he could just muster a 55% ts% this year.

    And keep his hands off the ball when its in the cylinder…

    :-)

  7. Italian Stallion

    No shock that Brand is having a field day against the Knick frontcourt. He showed he could do that in one of the pre season games.

    No Shock that the Knicks aren’t hitting open shots from the outside either. They really don’t have a consistent very good outside shooter.

    This game is a tough matchup for the Knicks. Let just hope for the best.

  8. cwod

    Meh, they’ll probably lose by a fair amount.

    Mardy just had a pretty drive, which is his lone skill on offense. It’s nice that he knows his role.

  9. Ray

    Interior defense stinks right now….im not comfortable with a very capable Marbury being on the inactive list. Hopefully the D will tighten up by the end of the game.

  10. Ray

    I like the way Zach is working hard. He looks totally different without Curry taking up space. Boy do we need a shot blocker.

  11. Owen

    It’s also a battle of the 21st defensive rebounding team versus the #1 offensive rebounding team in the league last year.

    I never would have noticed it before I got into stats, but having Jamal out there really hurts us on rebounding. Robinson and Duhon have a knack for coming up with long rebounds, Duhon had a great tip out to Jamal earlier.

    Mardy airballed a jump shot too, thing of beauty..

  12. Owen

    And on cue, Robinson grabs an offensive rebound….

    And another airball from Collins…

    We need a new stat, Airball/fg….

  13. Italian Stallion

    Does anyone have a stat for how often a player throws up an airball because I’m pretty sure Mardy Collins would be ranked #1? LOL

  14. Owen

    God, when Willie Green (career ts% 47%) is 4-4 you know you are defending poorly…

    They can’t hit a jumpshot for anything, truly disgusting shooting performance…

    And on cue, Q drains one from three…

    Nice tech Zach…

  15. cwod

    Elton Brand is completely ridiculous.

    Has anyone noticed some of the bounces the Sixers have gotten, compared to some of the Knicks’ shots that have gone in and out? Oh well.

  16. UK Knick

    I’m guessing the plan tonight is to hit the rim so many times that the bucket gets big enough for the 76ers to drop 80 points at that end in the second half? Meh.

  17. Thomas B.

    Ah there are the old familiar Knicks of yore. I’m not suprised. Philly is a good team, they should beat the knicks at home.

  18. Italian Stallion

    why does Zach Randolph shoot threes?

    Stupidty on his part, but I’m not sure why D’Antoni doesn’t put an end to it. He should never shoot a 3 pointer unless the clock is about to expire.

  19. Reebok1303

    Can someone please explain to me exactly what “Poss” means on the advanced stat page?

    I thought it simply meant the amount of possessions for both teams per game – but then how do the knicks average 103.3 possessions after only one game? Where does the 1/3 of a possession come from?

  20. Italian Stallion

    Look at the bright side, if they don’t turn it around soon, we may get to see some more of Gallinari in the 4th quarter.

    It’s amazing how bad the defense is. The Knicks don’t match up well with the Sixers, but this is ridiculous. We are going to get crushed out west against all the big men out there.

  21. Owen

    Possessions per game…..

    I can remember when people on this board thought Eddy Curry was better than Dalembert and Stephon Marbury was better than Andre Miller….

  22. Ray

    For all of us that have gotten our hopes up( me included) this is a reality check. We we go against teams with superior inside players its going to be a long night. Its only the third quarter and im ready to watch the bulls game on espn. Oh and please MSG, no more Alonzo Mourning gatorade commercials.

  23. Duff Soviet Union

    I like David Lee, but shooting mid range jumpers is not his game. Why do so many people fetishize the worst shot in basketball?

  24. cwod

    Look at the bright side, if they don’t turn it around soon, we may get to see some more of Gallinari in the 4th quarter.

    That’s what I’m hoping.

    We are going to get crushed out west against all the big men out there.

    Okay, Doug Collins.

  25. Owen

    “Why do so many people fetishize the worst shot in basketball?”

    That argument has been going on here since early 2006. I agree with you completely. I see no need for Lee to shoot any jumpshots. But you won’t convince many people of that.

    Honestly, when you watch Brand out there, you see the potentioal for a PF who can do that) I don’t know if Lee is going to be that (he won’t.) He is so good around the basket with his ambidexterity, and so good at the line I think he can prosper without one just fine….

    but anyway….

  26. Thomas B.

    Karma.

    Treat Steph poorly, get burned.

    Steph would actually be a better defensive match on AI than Crawford, as Craw does not have the body or the will to D up on the other AI.

  27. cwod

    “Why do so many people fetishize the worst shot in basketball?”
    That argument has been going on here since early 2006. I agree with you completely. I see no need for Lee to shoot any jumpshots. But you won’t convince many people of that.
    Honestly, when you watch Brand out there, you see the potentioal for a PF who can do that. I don’t know if Lee is going to be that. He is so good around the basket with his ambidexterity, and so good at the line I think he can prosper without one just fine….
    but anyway….

    I agree. I don’t see the benefit of having Lee take ugly looking jump shots when he’d be better suited around the basket grabbing offensive boards. Although, I do think he does a pretty good job in the high post with his passing.

  28. Reebok1303

    Yes Owen, but how do you have .3 of a possession – or any sort of tenth of a possession? I’m just curious if it could mean there is an issue with the stats page.

  29. Italian Stallion
    Look at the bright side, if they don’t turn it around soon, we may get to see some more of Gallinari in the 4th quarter.

    That’s what I’m hoping.

    We are going to get crushed out west against all the big men out there.

    Okay, Doug Collins.

    I predict that Yao averages more than 35 against us, Duncan 30, Shaq 20, Gasol 25, Bynum 20…… LOL

  30. Italian Stallion

    “Why do so many people fetishize the worst shot in basketball?”
    That argument has been going on here since early 2006. I agree with you completely. I see no need for Lee to shoot any jumpshots. But you won’t convince many people of that.
    Honestly, when you watch Brand out there, you see the potentioal for a PF who can do that) I don’t know if Lee is going to be that (he won’t.) He is so good around the basket with his ambidexterity, and so good at the line I think he can prosper without one just fine….
    but anyway….

    I doubt anyone would disagree with you. I think it’s more a matter of hoping he would develop one and be even better than he is now.

  31. Owen

    “Yes Owen, but how do you have .3 of a possession – or any sort of tenth of a possession? I’m just curious if it could mean there is an issue with the stats page.”

    You will have to refer that to the chief….

    Perhaps a technical foul?

  32. cwod
    Look at the bright side, if they don’t turn it around soon, we may get to see some more of Gallinari in the 4th quarter.

    That’s what I’m hoping.

    We are going to get crushed out west against all the big men out there.

    Okay, Doug Collins.

    I predict that Yao averages more than 35 against us, Duncan 30, Shaq 20, Gasol 25, Bynum 20…… LOL

    That sounds about right.

  33. Ray

    Gallo looks nervous and lost. Hesitant. That why he needs to play. When his confidence is there hes going to be all right. LEts just hope he doesnt run into Tractor Traylor in the streets.

  34. Italian Stallion

    I wish there was ONE bright spot to take away from this game, but I can’t find a thing. They were horrible in every aspect of the game and had all their weaknesses exposed. At least if Gallinari and Chandler looked good I wouldn’t feel that bad. But Chandler had a very mediocre night and Gallinari showed nothing at all.

  35. BigBlueAL

    There are gonna be many nights like this season Im afraid so we better get used to it. Funny thing is the defense was pretty atrocious tonight yet they got a bunch of steals and deflections.

    The lack of any shot-blocking at all really hinders this team defensively.

  36. Reebok1303

    Unfortunately Harrington had big #’s tonight in a great game against Toronto – 26 pts 11 rebounds and 3 assists, including a big three to put them up 2 late (Toronto won in OT). I really wish he would start sulking and playing badly so his value would drop and we could fleece Golden State into trading for Curry.

  37. Z-man

    Any team with an inside presence is going to have a huge edge on us.

    I don’t like the Steph benching. Out of one side of their mouths, D’Antoni and Walsh say everyone has a clean slate and that playing time will be earned, yet out of the other, they are saying they bench a guy who has earned playing time by their own standards. Steph reports to camp in the best shape in years, plays at least as well and as hard and as unselfishly as anyone in preseason, and other than proclaiming that he sees himself as a starter (and based on performance in preseason only, he has a point), he plays unselfishly and displays a positive attitude. I can understand not starting him, but to leave him completely out of the rotation when he has done everything asked of and expected of him is over the top.

    D’Antoni keeps talking up Duhon, but I just don’t see what they are expecting to happen with him. He’s not exactly a rookie, so how much upside does he have? How much upside does Collins have? Enough to merit totally freezing out perhaps your most talented guard? Are they punishing him for not accepting a buyout offer?

    It is possible that as Duhon and Collins start to get held accountable for mounting losses, they may actually lose the confidence and fan support necessary for their development. They got totally smoked by Andre Miller, who is very good, but nothing Steph can’t handle. We are already going to be overmatched in the middle most of the time. Without Steph, we are also overmatched in the backcourt most nights.

    So the chances are now greater that there will be another Steph-coach mess, another fiasco of having inferior players given roles way over their heads, another season where mounting losses cause players like Lee and Robinson to lose faith in the system and look forward to playing elsewhere.

  38. Thomas B.

    Sad stat of the night: Mardy Collins’ 3-7 from the floor was the best shooting of any Knick taking more than 2 shots.

    Hey Warner Wolf, what do you have to say about the game?

    Warner: If you had the Knicks plus 28.5 points, YOU LOST!!

  39. Owen

    Z-man – Duhon is a better player than Steph right now, although I won’t argue Collins, who still hasn’t shown me much.

    With Duhon, you have to look at his non-scoring contributions to understand his value. He had a horrible shooting night no question going 1-8. But with his 6 rebounds, 7 assists, and 3 steals with one turnover, he actually managed to make a positive contribution with a winscore of 5.5. The average for a point guard playing 34 minutes is 4.5.

    That’s the kind of stuff that people usually refer to as “intangibles,” but in fact are highly tangible.

    I don’t think Duhon is much above average as an NBA point guard, but he is a pretty decent option as a two year caretaker helmsman, and all things considered better than Steph.

    I agree with D’Antoni on this one, this would be one of the best things I have seen from our management so far. We don’t need Steph on the team. Better to lose a few game with Collins getting the minutes than have him leaving a bad taste in our mouths all year long. Not worth the aggravation.

  40. Rich P

    I think we’ve just seen the two extremes of Knicks basketball. We’ll rarely be as good as we were on Wednesday or as bad as we were tonight. We’ll get abused… ok ABUSED …inside against by just about everyone, but we might play at a fast enough pace and and hit enough shots where we can offset that. Wednesday night might have gone a little to far to dispel the notion that this is not a D’Antoni team. Tonight brought us back to earth a little bit. Our outside shooting is streaky, our interior D (and defense in genereal) is, let’s face it, really bad, and we’re only gonna win when we’re at our quirky best (aka: rarely).

    Really this isn’t news to anyone who knows this team. We changed our style, not our roster. Everyone knows that this is a clusterfuck of a roster, so let’s reel in the expectations a little bit. Anything above 30 wins is a bonus, but if you ask me, let em win 20 again and seperate the wheat from the chaff. Draft Ricky Rubio, or at least Brandon Jennings, and get some real players on this team. We’re already moving in the right direstion by not playin Steph and Curry. This is what we want people. Immediate progress isn’t really progress.

    And by the way, Mardy Collins is not an NBA player. Any converstation about his worth to this team, from now on, is moot. A defensive small forward who can’t shoot, make plays, rebound or really do anything that well disguised as a point guard does not hide the fact that he sucks. Mardy Collins Sucks. Thank You.

  41. mase

    wow the air went out of the room fast with this loss. Missed the game but is was curious why we lost?
    Figured Brand had some say

  42. cwod

    wow the air went out of the room fast with this loss. Missed the game but is was curious why we lost?
    Figured Brand had some say

    Brand, Green, Dalembert, Miller, etc. Basically all the Sixers.

    The NBA, where Marbury does not happen.

    LOL

  43. Ben R

    My biggest problem with the Marbury benching has nothing to do with whether this will hurt the team or help the team. I think us moving on is fine, I just do not like the way this has transpired.

    I think D’antoni misled Steph when he said its a clean slate and then proceeded to give Steph major minutes in the preseason including one start. Steph responded well, put up good stats, defended well and seemed to take his reduced role in stride. Then for no apparent reason Steph is completely benched and deactivated. It would be one thing if he played badly, did not fit the system or had a poor attitude but he did not.

    If they had no intention of playing Steph then they should have been straight with him at the start of training camp and not given him major minutes in the preseason. I honestly think Steph has a right to be angry and D’Antoni and Walsh need to stop jerking him around.

    Also that game was really ugly, I think we will have our fair share of those.

  44. jon abbey

    Steph has no rights whatsoever in this situation. Steph has essentially stolen tens of millions of dollars from this franchise, and if Steph doesn’t like the way he’s being treated right now, Steph is quite capable of getting out of the situation by renouncing a few of the $22 million he’s owed for this year, making him THE SECOND HIGHEST PAID PLAYER in the entire goddamn league. if that doesn’t put a smile on his constantly sullen face, then he knows what to do about it.

  45. BillyF

    Who’s to say Marbury didn’t get a clean slate? I’m sure he played in camp and practices the only way he knows how to play – no defense, laughable shot selection, no leadership, shoot-first-second-and-third mentality, no fucking idea whatsoever how to run an offense or get the other players into position. That’s how he’s always played and that’s not going to change. D’antoni took a look at that and nailed him to the bench, as any knowledgeable coach would do. Everyone says Marbury showed up to play – bullshit. So maybe he lifted some weights and ran some stairs, it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t know how to play winning basketball and never will. He’s a loser. Anyone who wants Marbury to play doesnt know shit about basketball, plain and simple.

  46. Z-man

    Who’s to say Marbury didn’t get a clean slate? I’m sure he played in camp and practices the only way he knows how to play – no defense, laughable shot selection, no leadership, shoot-first-second-and-third mentality, no fucking idea whatsoever how to run an offense or get the other players into position. That’s how he’s always played and that’s not going to change. D’antoni took a look at that and nailed him to the bench, as any knowledgeable coach would do. Everyone says Marbury showed up to play – bullshit. So maybe he lifted some weights and ran some stairs, it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t know how to play winning basketball and never will. He’s a loser. Anyone who wants Marbury to play doesnt know shit about basketball, plain and simple.

    Objectively, this is not what I saw in preseason. I saw a player who hustled, played D as well as well (if not better) than anyone on the team, and played completely within D’Antoni’s system. He was upbeat and encouraging his teammates even when relegated to the bench.

    If you hate Steph because of past problems, I can understand that. But his play and attitude since camp opened have not merited the treatment he is getting. D’Antoni and Walsh should not have said that everyond had a clean slate if they didn’t mean it.

    I had predicted 32 wins, but without Steph playing any role, I will revise downward to 27 wins, unless a trade is made. And I will stand by my comment that playing Steph in a bench role would significantly help Duhon’s development, not hurt it.

    “Z-man – Duhon is a better player than Steph right now, although I won’t argue Collins, who still hasn’t shown me much.

    With Duhon, you have to look at his non-scoring contributions to understand his value. He had a horrible shooting night no question going 1-8. But with his 6 rebounds, 7 assists, and 3 steals with one turnover, he actually managed to make a positive contribution with a winscore of 5.5. The average for a point guard playing 34 minutes is 4.5″

    Owen,

    Even if what you say is true (and I don’t think it is, especially as I watched Miller destroy Duhon in every facet of the game), this is not abut who should start and who should get more minutes. It’s about whether a player who can help the team (and did so consistently and significantly in a bench role in preseason) should be totally frozen out.

  47. Italian Stallion

    I have to agree with Z-man. I thought Marbury played well and behaved professionally in preseason.

    I totally understand D’Antoni’s desire to both “try to win now” and “try to develop young players that are the future”. So I can see playing Robinson and Duhon over Marbury. We all know that not matter what, Marbury is out at the end of the year. However, as someone that is not totally down on Collins, I am willing to admit there’s no way in hell he will ever be more than decent versatile backup. There’s no reason to focus on his development at the expense of wins unless you are dumping games for a better draft pick (which is something that’s usually done late in the season, not at the start).
    In addition, when you are playing guys like Malik Rose (who will also be gone at the end of the year), it doesn’t pass the smell test.

    Personally, I think they know they can’t trade him and they don’t want to buy him out at full price. At the same time, they know he wants to play and prove his abilities so he can get the best possible contract for next year etc… So it’s probably sort of a hardball move to force Steph to accept a buyout that the Knicks can live with.

  48. cwod

    So maybe he lifted some weights and ran some stairs, it doesn’t matter.

    Ran some mountains, you mean.

    I kind of feel bad for Marbury, and maybe this whole situation shows a nasty side of Walsh-D’Antoni, but in the big picture, it’s really not too much of an issue.

  49. DS

    Is there any team with enough cap room to trade for Steph who could actually use him for just this season?? Also… during the TNT broadcast of Houston-Dallas they were saying that Houston sorely needs someone to back up Yao. Would they possibly be willing to take on Curry’s contract? I mean Matt Geiger once signed a $56 million contract….

  50. njhoop

    If we could play Miami 82 times this season, I think we’d have a realistic shot at making the playoffs. Unfortunately, any team with a hint of a low post presence will torture us like last night. (and we always make Dalembert look like Bill Russell)As much as Artest is a nut job, a guy like hims is exactly what this team needs – a defensive stopper who would guard anyone from the 2 to the 5. Lee and Randolph will get demolished by any decent 4’s and 5’s in this league. On a brighter note, we have 2 winnable home games coming up..

  51. ronnie

    I dont think D’antoni trusts marbury and I cannot blame him. After watching the last 3 knick coaches allow marbury to undermine them after quiet preseason I dont think D’antoni wanted to wait for the wheels to come off with marbury especially considering he knew he wouldnt be playing him a ton of minutes. If D’antoni thought for one second Marbury would be playing over Duhon,Crawford,and nate he would play him but he knows who is top three are so why give Marbury 5 minutes here and 11 minutes there. It like people have forgotten who we are talking about here.

  52. TDM

    If I were to pick one positive note from last night’s game, it would be that the Knicks limited their turnovers to 10. The Sixers had more than twice that, but killed the Knicks on shot efficiency.

  53. Ray

    We absolutely cannot let this man walk away and not get youth back in return. There has to be a deal on that table where we can get draft picks or a shot blocker or something. I mean this is rediculous. Walsh has to make this happen. This really should have been solved in the pre-season. I dont wait all the way til November to hear bickering and stuff coming from my team. I just want to see good old early 90’s basketball!! You cant blame Marbury for not talking all his money. I would too. In the end the team doesnt care for him so why should he care for the team. Walsh has to deliver the goods on this one. Donnie needs to make some calls and find out what we can get for this totally capable player.

  54. caleb

    It’s just a game, for a 20-year-old rook who missed the preseason, but Gallinari looks lost on both sides of the ball.

    The pleasures of LeaguePass… saw Marc Gasol last night. Very, very impressive. When I first tuned in in the first quarter, he went right at Dwight Howard one-on-one, twice in a row, scored in the paint both times. Then he knocked away an entry pass. Was way, way fired up.

    I came back in the fourth quarter… tie game… Gasol makes a huge block, Memphis keeps the ball. But Gay misses a shot, so Orlando has a shot for the win. Gasol fronts Howard so well on the inbound, that Memphis steals the pass. Gay shoots with one second left; Memphis wins.

    That was a great trade for LA, but hard to say it wasn’t a good one for Memphis, too.

    I also notice that Javaris Crittenden was inactive, and not because of injury (according to the announcers).

    More LeaguePass observations..
    Not that this is any shock, but you really notice when you flip from one game to the next, how many bad, one-on-one clearouts go on. Bosh, Gay and Maggette were big offenders last night. Bosh did have a game-winning dunk, I think (unless GS came back in the last 10 seconds). Gay – he’s got loads of talent, and he’s only 22 – but he was something like 10 for 28 last night. For 28 points, and the game-winning shot… but Marc Gasol was the best player on the floor, for the minutes I watched. No question.

  55. Italian Stallion

    Caleb,

    I agree about Gallinari. He looks totally lost. That’s only the secondary problem though because he has some catching up to do and I’m sure he’s feeling the pressure/nerves. The real problem is that he doesn’t look athletic, fast, or quick enough to succeed at a high level. He’s going to have some problems defending “real” NBA players and creating his own shot against them. If he turns out to be a good passer, outside shooter, and free throw shooter, he’ll have some value and a role. But unless he’s freaky good at those things, he’s got a ceiling that’s going to make drafting him at #6 look highly suspect.

  56. Sergio Marbury

    I think Danillo is going to be a good player. You need to give it some time before you say it is highly suspect. And as Mike said before the draft after looking at past picks at #6, it seems that the Knicks aren’t likely to get a great player here, but they might get a quality starter.

    http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=775

  57. Gorky

    What’s the deal with Ariz’er’s threes? Did he actually improve in the offseason, or is it a statistical fluke? He’s 4 for 5 before tonight’s game.

  58. daaarn

    What’s the deal with Ariz’er’s threes? Did he actually improve in the offseason, or is it a statistical fluke? He’s 4 for 5 before tonight’s game.

    Still too early to tell, but I guess it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that he did improve that much. Still makes me sad how we gave him away to get Francis, ugh.

  59. Thomas B.

    Caleb,

    You know they offer NBA-LP on broadband for about half the cost of ordering through your cable company. I’ve been watching the free preview and I must say it’s not too bad. I may dropthe 85 bucks for it, if the Knicks can manage to be in the next few games.

  60. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    Can someone please explain to me exactly what “Poss” means on the advanced stat page?

    I thought it simply meant the amount of possessions for both teams per game – but then how do the knicks average 103.3 possessions after only one game? Where does the 1/3 of a possession come from?

    Since the NBA doesn’t incorporate possessions into their boxscore, you have to estimate them with a formula based on the team stats. So even after one game you may have fractions – because of the equation used.

    Great question though – shows someone out there is paying attention!

  61. DaJudge

    The only plausible reason that Steph is deactivated is to force him to leave the team for less money. It is a pure business decision. Nevertheless, it seems ill-conceived. Steph can, and probably will, sit it out and collect all of his money. This is comletely within his control. Why don’t the Knicks let him play and hopefully establish at least some value to another team. The instant strategy appears myopic and self-defeating. I also agree with other’s who feel it is bush and hypocritical. The Knicks will lose more games without any real benefit. They’ll just torture the fans. The other problem I have is placing all the blame on Steph (much of which is fair), without consdidering the incredibly disfunctional management and coaching. Bottom line, my biggest problem with the whole thing is that the Knicks are really bad and would be better with Steph. Sorry, but Duhon is not the answer, except as a back up.

  62. Owen

    “I agree about Gallinari. He looks totally lost. That’s only the secondary problem though because he has some catching up to do and I’m sure he’s feeling the pressure/nerves. The real problem is that he doesn’t look athletic, fast, or quick enough to succeed at a high level.”

    I agree with this so far, but you know waht. I saw Bargnani the other day win the game for the Raptors with a 8-10 blitz. So anythin can happen in the NBA.

    As for Ariza, after he got the call up to my fantasy team, he knew he to step it up…

  63. D

    So I’ve been checking out nbadraft.net since after 2 games this team looks a lot more like a lottory team than a playoff team…

    They have Ricky Rubio in the 2010 draft class, not 2009. Does anyone know why that is? Is it his age? (he was born in 1990) or did he say he wasn’t coming out next year?

    Hoopshype has him in the 2009 class. Just wondering.

  64. Ted Nelson

    My biggest problem with the Marbury benching has nothing to do with whether this will hurt the team or help the team. I think us moving on is fine, I just do not like the way this has transpired.
    I think D’antoni misled Steph when he said its a clean slate and then proceeded to give Steph major minutes in the preseason including one start. Steph responded well, put up good stats, defended well and seemed to take his reduced role in stride. Then for no apparent reason Steph is completely benched and deactivated. It would be one thing if he played badly, did not fit the system or had a poor attitude but he did not.
    If they had no intention of playing Steph then they should have been straight with him at the start of training camp and not given him major minutes in the preseason. I honestly think Steph has a right to be angry and D’Antoni and Walsh need to stop jerking him around.
    Also that game was really ugly, I think we will have our fair share of those.

    Very well said. Very poorly handled, something right out of Isiah’s playbook.
    Also a good comment from Z-Man. I do think that Duhon is about as good as Marbury. The Knicks got embarrassed the other night, but Philly is a team with serious championships aspirations coming off an embarrassing opening loss to a rival.

    Steph has no rights whatsoever in this situation. Steph has essentially stolen tens of millions of dollars from this franchise, and if Steph doesn’t like the way he’s being treated right now, Steph is quite capable of getting out of the situation by renouncing a few of the $22 million he’s owed for this year, making him THE SECOND HIGHEST PAID PLAYER in the entire goddamn league. if that doesn’t put a smile on his constantly sullen face, then he knows what to do about it.

    Jon, Marbury has a legal contract saying he’s owed that money provided he meets certain criteria. I don’t know if he eventually folds and takes a buy-out or just sits on the bench and laughs his way to the bank (we’ll see I guess). I also have no idea whether he’s actually been offered a buyout given Walsh’s public statements that he will never buy any player out, ever. In general, players take less money in a buy-out because they’re getting it up-front (time value of money) and have a chance to sign elsewhere, but from what I’ve read it’s not much less money then they’re owed.
    The Knicks certainly don’t have to play Marbury, but they’ve created another PR mess with the way they’ve handled the situation.

  65. Owen

    “but they’ve created another PR mess with the way they’ve handled the situation.”

    I dont think this is true. They win today and everyone will forget about it.

    I have never been more in agreement with Jon Abbey than I am now….

  66. Gorky

    When thinking about draft picks, don’t forget. We still owe a draft pick to Utah for Marbury. Top 22 protected in 2009, completely UNPROTECTED in 2010. So maybe they can get Rubio.

  67. jon abbey

    it’d be great if we could somehow trade for Sean Williams, NJ has buried him behind a bunch of other young big men. I don’t see a great match, though.

  68. D

    When thinking about draft picks, don’t forget. We still owe a draft pick to Utah for Marbury. Top 22 protected in 2009, completely UNPROTECTED in 2010. So maybe they can get Rubio.

    Gorky,

    I know about the pick situation, but which draft will Rubio be in?

  69. Gorky
    When thinking about draft picks, don’t forget. We still owe a draft pick to Utah for Marbury. Top 22 protected in 2009, completely UNPROTECTED in 2010. So maybe they can get Rubio.

    Gorky,
    I know about the pick situation, but which draft will Rubio be in?

    Hopefully 2009, since we will have a terrible record this year.

  70. Ted Nelson

    IS,

    From the previous thread, my problem with your analysis is that you disregard possessions and you also keep insisting against all reason that FG% has something to do with scoring efficiency.

    Mardy Collins’ 23 year old season is completely irrelevant because he missed preseason, right?
    A lack of athleticism won’t be Gallo’s undoing, plenty of unathletic guys are good scorers in the NBA and mediocre athletes can be good team defenders. His jumper has to improve from what it’s been in Europe, which is certainly possible or even likely for a 20 year old but it’s a matter of by how much it improves. He gets to the line at a very high rate–a stat that tends to stay pretty constant Euroleague to NBA for wing players–so he’s got to start hitting more jumpers if he wants to avoid the fate of his countrymen Bellineli and Bargnani (who I still have some hope for given that he’s a 7 footer, but you know both relative busts for their draft positions).

    Owen,

    Never did as much as I wanted with the Gallinari stats comparison and I don’t have it in front of me right now. I’ll try to post his stats vs. other players stats at some point. I compared him to Nachbar, Delfino, and Herrmann (what I hope would be the worst case scenarios), Manu and Pau (maybe not all that comparable but just to compare him to NBA stars), Scola & Marc Gasol (for bigmen, although he was decidedly a wing last season), and Nocioni & Rudy Fernandez. None of them played as much as he did in the Euroleague at 19, so I was more looking at how their stats developed from their first Euroleague season to their second to try to guestimate how good he might have been in the Euroleague this season and how their stats transfered to the NBA (didn’t actually construct any models, just looked over the stats).
    Like I said, don’t have it in front of me now. His non-scoring stats were weak, besides assists per minute. Assists weren’t extraordinary, but solid. Steals weren’t that weak, blocks and rebounds were. All that was expected. His FG efficiency was terrible (like 40% eFG%), but he got to the line more than anyone in my sample (maybe not Pau, but he had only a 6 game Euroleague career) putting his scoring efficiency pretty much in line with the rest (who were as old as 24 before ever playing in the Euroleague).

    The only thing he did really well in the Euroleague was get to the FT line. If he can do that and also start canning some jumpers, he’s going to be a good scorer in the NBA. There’s also the hope that he had the Kevin Durant syndrome, because his team was 3-11 in the Euroleague. No telling if KD will ever be any good himself, though.
    BTW, I think D’Antoni embarrassing Gallo by putting him on the court after about a week of practice is as bad as embarrassing Marbury by benching him for previous mistakes and because he “doesn’t fit with the team’s strategy.” These moves plus whole-heartedly endorsing the Balkman and Marion trades leads me to believe that Walsh should completely shut D’Anotni out of any personnel decisions. Unfortunately that seems unlikely.

    If they KEEP winning no one will care about Marbury, but every time they lose (and I think we all expect more Ls than Ws) it will be in the press. I’m not saying whether it was the right basketball move to bench him or not, but the way they handled it has already created a PR mess. It’s not a matter of if it will be one, it already is one.

    D,

    Spanish players generally wait to enter the draft, although Rubio is projected to go high enough in the draft that he might jump early (ala Pau). I don’t know his exact contract situation, but as I remember he just signed a new contract pretty recently. That could be why he’s expected to wait until 2010…
    A sleeper from Spain who will come out in the next couple years in Victor Claver. He’s a 20 year old F who reminds people of Antawn Jamison (with a better outside shot), and has started this season very hot after struggling with consistency and confidence at the top level previously. His team has the talent to maybe make the Euroleague for next season, but is only 3-3 in the Spnaish ACB league at the moment (http://www.acb.com/stsacum.php?cod_equipo=PAM&cod_competicion=LACB&cod_edicion=53). In the late first, early second I really like him, and would have to look at him even in the teens. If the Knicks somehow acquire another first in the next 2 drafts I’d love to see them get him.

  71. Ted Nelson

    it’d be great if we could somehow trade for Sean Williams, NJ has buried him behind a bunch of other young big men. I don’t see a great match, though.

    Definitely. Sean Williams, Brandan Wright, and Julian Wright are guys I have my eye on. Williams is probably the least promising (least likely to reach his potential) but could fill a huge need if he develops into the interior defender he’s capable of being. Also probably by far the easiest to get. Unless they’re interested in Mardy I don’t really see a match, either. Maybe Nate for Williams and a Dallas 1st (from the Kidd trade), but Williams may be too risky to give up a good player for and the Nets might want to see how Dallas does this season before giving up their pick or just not like Nate or want to resign him to maintain their LeBron room.

  72. caleb

    No one named Wright is getting traded. Sean Williams is interesting. Considering his game, if Jersey is willing to trade him it will be a very, very bad hint of off-court problems. That would kill the price. So Jersey is probably stuck – if they’re willing to unload him, everyone will assume there’s a problem (true or not) which will drive down the price, so Jersey will probably hold onto him no matter what. BUt yeah, I’d love to take a flyer on him. I’d offer anyone on the roster but Lee (I guess Gallinari and Chandler are off-limits for that one, too)

    Interesting Rubio talk – I thought it was a given he was in next year’s draft. Most draft “experts” have included him in the 2009 class, since last year.

    Thomas,

    Thanks for the LP tip. Dish is still running a free preview, and hopefully they will get things ironed out. But that’s an option.

  73. Ted Nelson

    Caleb,

    There have been a few rumors on Hoopshype that Sean Williams is available. No idea if they’re valid. Whether or not he has off-court problems, the fact that he’s not in the Nets’ “rebuilding” rotation is a definite sign of on-court problems and can’t be helping his trade value much.

    Considering that the “Wrights” have played a combined 18 minutes in 6 games and their teams have championship and playoff aspirations, respectively, I have to think that they could be had for a price. Maybe not a low price and maybe not a price that the Knicks can easily meet…
    Don Nelson, especially, says who stays and who goes on the Warriors. While I don’t know that he likes anything the Knicks have (besides David Lee who I guess he asked for for Harrington), Don is playing a 3 guard lineup that includes CJ Watson and DeMarcus Nelson in the 4th quarter over Brandan.
    The Hornets figure to be good enough to hold onto Julian even if he’s not playing, but they’re so thin in both the frontcourt and backcourt that they’ve got to consider moving a wing if the price is right, especially if they suffer an injury.

  74. Owen

    Williams is interesting. Last year, he blocked shots and score efficiently in low volume, but his rebounding was competent, not exceptional. No notable defensive impact on 82games, in fact that was negative. Boone hasn’t an extra year in the NBA and is a better defender, rebounder, and citizen apparently and posted a .154 WP.

    But that was just his first year and he clearly has the necessary athleticism. I would take either of them over Gallinari over right now. People would probably laugh at that, given Boone’s legendarily poor ft shooting last year, but he is exactly the kind of underrated young defensive big we could use both right now and the future.

    If Balkman were here perhaps you could even have traded Chandler or the six pick for Williams. (perhaps I should think about that statement, but instead just going to move on)

    One thing is definitely true. People don’t differentiate much between lower usage bigs, and view them as largely interchangeable. However, there is a very big difference between what a guy like Boone gives you and what you get from say Mikki Moore, Mark Blount, Gadzuric, etc….

    Of course not a SSOL guy for sure, and Williams seems to fit the mold to a tee….

    Again, it’s just ludicrous to think you can build a team in the NBA without a guy taller than 6’9….

  75. Nic B

    Mike,
    just wanted to let you know that your stats pages for 2007 and 2008 were a regular visit for me, and that i appreciate your work a lot.
    I love stats! And 2009’s stat page will be viewed by me many many times, hehe. Anyway, cheers.
    Nic.

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