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Thursday, July 31, 2014

70 comments on “2009 Game Thread: New York at Phoenix

  1. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    Boy Shaq is just awful on defense. He’s so slow on the perimeter.

    Actually it’s shocking to see the Suns play so slow. A few times it took like 10 seconds for Shaq to get up court. Another time him & Amare didn’t seem to interested in joining the offense.

  2. T-Mart

    “This is like a YMCA game, you get the rebound, you get to shoot” hahahahaha Usually the NBA TV commentators are worse then John Madden and more annoying then Michael Irvin, but that was a real knee slapper.

  3. BigBlueAL

    2 illegal screens for Jeffries already. GOD he sucks. Problem is he is wearing Allan Houston’s number. Its a bigger shame than Dennis Scott wearing Starks’ number….

  4. T-Mart

    Why is David Lee not in the game? And, he clearly can still play above the rim. He is still easing off the pedal ever since that knee injury. Sounds like he got some advice along the lines of, keep flamboyantly exploding to the rim and end up like Antonio Mcdysse, or play more finesse and not have to get 12 knee operations.

  5. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    Non-David Lee Knicks can’t grab a defensive rebound. Even if you think defensive rebounding is overrated as an individual stat, it’s apparent that rest of the Knicks aren’t very good at it.

  6. Ken The Animal Bannister

    If they ever decide to re-make the film, “Eastern Promises,” I think Phil Weber could easily take over the Viggo Mortensen role…

  7. o_boogie

    “If they ever decide to re-make the film, “Eastern Promises,” I think Phil Weber could easily take over the Viggo Mortensen role.”

    Haha nice. I think I’ll pass on the scene in the sauna tho…

    ——-

    Considering we are shooting 18-49 (37%) from the field and 2-19 (11%) from 3 and are only down by 11, I am feeling pretty good. If we could get Amare in more foul trouble and tire out Shaq with SSOL, we can have a fighting chance.

  8. cwod

    Not a terrible half, considering how awful we’ve been from beyond the arc. Jeffries is fairly infuriating with his illegal screens and inability to finish/hit a free throw/do anything useful on offense.

  9. italian stallion

    We can’t play too much worse than we did in the first half , but we aren’t totally out of it. I think we might make a run in the 2nd half even though it’s going to be tough to get a win. I sort of think they were TOO UP for this game because it was the Suns and their nerves got to them a little at the start.

    I know D’Antoni encourages players to take shots quickly, but some players are clearly forcing mediocre shots. I guess it’s easy to be forgiving when they are falling, but on a night that a player can’t hit the ocean it’s probably a good idea for him to back off a little and try to up the quality – even if it takes 10 seconds instead. ;-)

  10. T-Mart

    Is Al Harrington pissing anyone else off with these assenine bull in a china shop driving lay-ins he keeps attempting?

  11. BigBlueAL

    I have never seen someone hit the backboard shooting corner 3′s as much as Chandler does. He is having a really nice game so far, but still I would like to see him drive and hang around the rim more than he does.

  12. BigBlueAL

    Dont know what the numbers for both will end up being at the end of this game, but Nash is schooling Duhon so far.

  13. beanmaxz

    It’s amazing we’re in this game given the talent and personnel gap. Will likely end in a loss, though, and tomorrow against the Lakers will be ugly.

  14. David Crockett

    I know Harrington is crying, but gosh. It does look like you can’t use harsh language around Amare while Harrington is taking lots ‘o contact. You can’t win that battle, but still…

  15. BigBlueAL

    Watching Stoudemire not even bother challenging any of Nate’s drives makes me understand why D’Antoni used to criticize his defense.

  16. Gian Casimiro (SSoM)

    The Knicks actually outscored them by one in the second and third combined. The first is what obviously killed them. The FG% gap closed significantly but the Suns closed the FT gap so the lead is still what it is.

  17. o_boogie

    Why has Lee been seeing limited minutes? He isn’t in foul trouble and he got off to a hot start at the beginning of regulation.

  18. Ken The Animal Bannister

    This is a TERRIBLY officiated game. Esp. w/r/t drives to the hoop/plays around the rim. You can’t fart near a Phoenix player w/o a whistle blowing while Duhon/Harringon/Chandler are getting beaten like Oakley was still playing.

  19. beanmaxz

    The refs are letting a lot of contact go, which weirdly is helping us stay in the game. We’re doing a lot of clutching and grabbing with them inside and getting away with it.

  20. Gian Casimiro (SSoM)

    Why has Lee been seeing limited minutes? He isn’t in foul trouble and he got off to a hot start at the beginning of regulation.

    I think D’Antoni’s been saving him for whenever Shaq’s on the floor.

  21. David Crockett

    WOW. Horrible call on Chandler to foul him out.

    It was a legit O Foul. It’s just that we aren’t getting any calls. This seems the garden variety hosing bad teams get on the road.

  22. beanmaxz

    Wow, was I the only one that hated to see Chandler get the ball at the end of that break? Though that looked like a flop looking at the replay, but Chandler hasn’t earned the complete respect of the refs when he looks for contact.

    Ha ha, looks like Ken and I contradicted each other regarding the refs. I do think we haven’t gotten calls on a number of drives, but the Suns are a physically bigger and more powerful team, so I can live with us not getting some calls if they don’t call some on us on the other end. Though it looks like now the refs are bearing down on the play inside.

  23. David Crockett

    Somebody needs to track how many middle school boys get suspended this year for throwing chalk up in the air after seeing the LeBron/Candyman ad.

  24. Ken The Animal Bannister

    I probably do get more aggrieved at the blown calls on our boys. considering the refs just totally blew Nate’s double dribble, I’d still swear that Donaghy is reffing this one

  25. David Crockett

    Boy did Nate take a hip check from Shaq’s screen on that Nash baseline jumper; not the sort of call you should expect to get on the road. More that Nate’s really taken a pounding tonight.

  26. nj hoop

    I’m incredibly impressed with Harrington’s defense.

    If Duhon hits one shot, we might actually have had a chance to win this game.

  27. BigBlueAL

    Another close game on the road that the Knicks cant pull out. If they dont have a double digit lead in the 4th quarter, they cant seem to pull these games out. Still too many bone-headed plays on both sides of the court.

    Either way, it is GREAT to watch this team and have a Knicks team that is easy to watch and root for. Havent enjoyed watching a Knicks team that competes so hard and is this well-coached since Van Gundy was on the sidelines.

  28. David Crockett

    I’m incredibly impressed with Harrington’s defense.

    If Duhon hits one shot, we might actually have had a chance to win this game.

    I’m inclined to cut the guy some slack under the current conditions. He looks like he’s wearing down.

  29. beanmaxz

    I’m a big Duhon fan, but that’s two straight subpar games. Wonder if he’s hurt, hit a wall, or if other teams have done a better job of taking his penetration away. Nate and Al’s energy have really carried us the last two games, for better or worse.

  30. nj hoop
    I’m incredibly impressed with Harrington’s defense.
    If Duhon hits one shot, we might actually have had a chance to win this game.

    I’m inclined to cut the guy some slack under the current conditions. He looks like he’s wearing down.

    I’m a big Duhon supporter, but worn down or not, he’s gotta hit one of those 3′s, they were wide open and uncontested. But then again, the whole team was ice cold from downtown.

  31. Jcon

    Big difference between this years team and last years: last year down 17 you know were not coming back. This team never quit and if we would have hit our threes we would have won this game.

  32. Ken The Animal Bannister

    Regarding Duhon, I counted 2-3 drives to the net where he got clobbered but the refs kept their whistles in their pockets (calls that he got in games where he put up good #’s). And he still tallied 9 assists when Nix missed 30+ treys.

    If the three’s were falling and he got the calls, you’re looking at another game where he got 14-15 points and 12-13 assists w/6 rebounds.

    honestly he wasn’t the problem. The Nix lost because they couldn’t hit from downtown, esp. down the stretch,

  33. beanmaxz

    I watch a lot of Suns games, and the Amare that showed up tonight was considerably more engaged on the boards and overall (though still a mediocre defender). That and Shaq’s free throw shooting made it even tougher for us.

    Despite the many lapses on our end and the bad 3 point shooting, a very good effort, though it would have been great to make the sweat a little more and get it down to the last shot.

    Hope there’s something left for the Lakers on Tuesday.

  34. Ben R

    We played a solid game overall. We shot 58.3% from 2 pt and had only 12 turnovers, plus we were close on rebounds and equal on blocks.

    If we had hit even 25% of our threes we win this game. Our shot selection was solid overall, Harrington forced it early but once he calmed down he was okay, Robinson and Chandler were both great from two pt and if they had hit or taken less threes they would have had great games, Lee was great guarding Shaq and Duhon was getting mugged.

    We lost to a good team on the road, overall a game we should lose the majority of the time. Also we held the Suns to an efg% 5% lower than their season average. Frustrating that we lost a game we played well, (except from from the arc), especially in such a tough week but overall not a surprise and I am satisfied with what I saw.

  35. italian stallion

    Someone has to explain to me why Balkman didn’t play for Denver last night. He’s been playing well lately (especially when given minutes as a starter recently when Martin was out). Is George Karl only playing him in specific spots where his skill set is likely to be beneficial and holding him out in the other games? I don’t watch many games or follow the team, but it looks like Karl has a very specific role defined for Balkman that maximizes his productivity against certain matchups and limits his downsides against others.

  36. Owen

    “Someone has to explain to me why Balkman didn’t play for Denver last night.”

    I would suspect the reason he didn’t play is that Kenyon Martin is healthy again. That was why he was getting minutes.

    I can’t remember a team ever going 5-37 from three. It’s incredible it was so close. We should have beaten them by 15. ;-)

  37. nj hoop

    I may have mentioned this in an earlier post, but did you see the D Harrington was playing on Nash on the switches? Actually had Nash floundering a little. And also was tough on J-Rich in the 4th qtr. That’s a pleasant surprise, I figured he was a scorer only, but he was really getting after it in crunch time. I think they should figure out a way to keep him in 2010.

  38. Z

    “Nice article by Kevin Arnovitz on Truehoop about the specific game for each team that triggered the respective coach firings this season.”

    Kevin runs the Clipper Blog which I lurked on during the Randolph trade rumors. He does a great job– Clippers fans are lucky to have a blog that rivals KBs!

    http://clipperblog.com/

    (clicking on this link will lead you to an awesome analysis of new Clipper sensation Mardy Collins too).

    As for the Knicks, does anyone know when the league is expected to rule on the Mobley salary exception?

  39. Owen

    “Has anyone on this blog commented on the amazing numbers Zach Randolph is putting up for the Clippers.”

    No. Let me do the honors. Zach has been playing 5 more minutes per game for the Clippers than he did for the Knicks. But he is scoring on exactly the same volume as he did in New York per minute. His ts% has risen from 51.7% to 55.9%. However his turnovers have risen from 2.1 to 2.9 per 36, and he is averaging 4 rebounds per 36 less.

    I don’t want him back.

    Diaw and Bell for Curry? I think they are both mediocrities, below average players with reputations enhanced by playing at a fast pace for many years in Phoenix with stellar teammates. What kind of contracts do they have?

  40. caleb

    Diaw gets paid 8m per thru 2012. He’d still be easier to reroute than curry’s 11m (and play better) but he potentially gums up the summer of 2011.

    Bell expires in time.

    It’s not a crazy thought but I would rather get curry on the floor and hope for a better offer before feb 2010.

  41. Z

    Thought you guys would find this interesting. Nothing concrete to jump at, but how happy would we all to see this happen. I don’t know how salaries would match up.
    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56022/20081216/diaw_bell_re_routed_to_new_york/

    There’s more on that rumor here…

    http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

    …including mention of a package of Diaw + Bell for Curry + Lee. Obviously, that proposal won’t be embraced on this site, but I wouldn’t get bent out of shape over it. The rumor talks of “D’Antoni’s “bitter divorce” from the Suns to explain why there wasn’t simply a 3-way trade last week between the three teams. Sounds contrived to me. Was D’Antoni even booed last night in Phoenix? Besides, Curry and Diaw alone are a salary match, except Diaw has an extra year on his deal. I suppose I’d take Diaw over Curry straight up, but I’d rather have neither.

    More interesting in the link is talk of Janerro Pargo voiding his Russian contract and joining the Knicks.

  42. mhev35

    diaws contract runs into 2010-2011 so i doubt donnie makes a trade for boris, and as for bell he has only a 5 million salary (4 mil less than curry) and because of trade stipulations cannot be traded in combination with another player for 2 months after the previous trade, which is before the deadline but is not for awhile. also he has a contract that ends in 2010, not sure about team or player options in 2010-2011 though

  43. mhev35

    about the trade of diaw and bell for curry and lee… because the trade wouldnt happen for about another 60 days i might not mind it. if the team is playing well and seems to be playoff bound i would say to not make the deal. but if they’re not, then why not give up lee at the trade deadline (keep in mind his contract is done at the end of the year)

  44. caleb

    D’antoni got a long standing O before the game…

    I think I’ve said before – pargo is absolutely perfect – in terms of role (combo), cost, style and attitude.

  45. Jcon

    Van Gundy just told a hilarious story on 1050 ESPN Radio about Anthony Bonner.

    “The only player I’ve ever coached who got served a subpoena on the bench during a preseason game.”

    I need more info, anyone remember this?

  46. italian stallion

    Given our current roster, I would be against any trade that includes Lee unless we are getting a relatively young high quality big man back. He’s probably our best player right now (we’ll see how well Harrington plays for D’Antoni over a long enough period of time to be significant), is very popular among the fans and his teamates, and could easily fit well long term.

    I’d rather wait for Curry to get healthy, play him a little, and try to trade him later.

  47. italian stallion

    I don’t want Randolph back either, but most of his stats for LA look comparable or better than they were for NY this year (and his stats for NY this year were pretty good). The only noticeable decline is rebounds per 36, but that’s probably because he is now teamed with Camby who is one of the best rebounders in the NBA (and probably partly just random). I doubt they are disappointed with his performance so far.

  48. Owen

    “but most of his stats for LA look comparable or better than they were for NY this year (and his stats for NY this year were pretty good). The only noticeable decline is rebounds per 36″

    IS – So the fact that his turnovers have jumped by .8 per 36 is not a “noticeable decline?”

  49. italian stallion

    “but most of his stats for LA look comparable or better than they were for NY this year (and his stats for NY this year were pretty good). The only noticeable decline is rebounds per 36?
    IS – So the fact that his turnovers have jumped by .8 per 36 is not a “noticeable decline?”

    I thought I saw .4, but I may be mistaken or looking at a different set of stats. It’s not insignificant though. I think overall he is playing well though.

  50. Gorky

    Pargo wouldn’t be bad; he’s a better shooter and better distributor than Roberson, but they’re basically the same style of player.

    He really does love to shoot.

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