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		<title>By: Ben R</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2009-game-thread-knicks-vs-celtics/#comment-275230</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian - his TS% is still at 58.6% it is his efg% that dropped to just below 54% at 53.7%, both are still great numbers but earlier this year they were Nash like with a TS% of about 64% and an efg% of about 60%.

Also his other stats are good for a two guard; 4.4 rebs, 2.7 asts, 1.2 stls, 1.8 tos, 1.7 pfs and his 14.9 pts per 36 are solid considering he is at best the number three option sometimes lower than that. 

I also agree that Rudy is my top pick if we trade Lee, (I hope we don&#039;t as well).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; his TS% is still at 58.6% it is his efg% that dropped to just below 54% at 53.7%, both are still great numbers but earlier this year they were Nash like with a TS% of about 64% and an efg% of about 60%.</p>
<p>Also his other stats are good for a two guard; 4.4 rebs, 2.7 asts, 1.2 stls, 1.8 tos, 1.7 pfs and his 14.9 pts per 36 are solid considering he is at best the number three option sometimes lower than that. </p>
<p>I also agree that Rudy is my top pick if we trade Lee, (I hope we don&#8217;t as well).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2009-game-thread-knicks-vs-celtics/#comment-275226</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I see as much potential in Rudy and less risk and he is playing alot more minutes than Speights and even though he is on a mini slump his TS% is still above 58%.&lt;/blockquote&gt; I believe his mini-slump has gone as far as to lower his TS% below 54%.

But yeah, at one point his TS% was out of this world for a first year player (even at the slightly advanced age of 23 years old). 

Rudy is still my top pick (of the believable offers - I mean, Derrick Rose is not going to come a-callin&#039;, ya know?), but yeah, I&#039;d rather just keep Lee.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I see as much potential in Rudy and less risk and he is playing alot more minutes than Speights and even though he is on a mini slump his TS% is still above 58%.</p></blockquote>
<p> I believe his mini-slump has gone as far as to lower his TS% below 54%.</p>
<p>But yeah, at one point his TS% was out of this world for a first year player (even at the slightly advanced age of 23 years old). </p>
<p>Rudy is still my top pick (of the believable offers &#8211; I mean, Derrick Rose is not going to come a-callin&#8217;, ya know?), but yeah, I&#8217;d rather just keep Lee.</p>
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		<title>By: TDM</title>
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		<dc:creator>TDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More on Lee&#039;s contract and the potential trades from Berger:

http://ken-berger.blogs.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/12755883]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on Lee&#8217;s contract and the potential trades from Berger:</p>
<p><a href="http://ken-berger.blogs.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/12755883" rel="nofollow">http://ken-berger.blogs.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/12755883</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas B.</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2009-game-thread-knicks-vs-celtics/#comment-275223</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dont like Marbury for Thomas and Miller.  Yes, its not my money, so if the Knicks want to bring on an extra year of salary and help Sacto shed 18 million fine.  But why not help ourselves in this deal?

Why not Rose, JJ, and JJ for Thomas and Miller?

Sacto gets an 8 million dollar expiring contract this year, a buy out candidate for next year, and guy who might be worth more to them than KT is right now.  They do take on an extra year of Jared&#039;s contract, but that is balanced by the Rose contract that expires this year.

The Knicks save another 6 million in the summer of 2010. The Marbury trade doesnt help them save money when it really counts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont like Marbury for Thomas and Miller.  Yes, its not my money, so if the Knicks want to bring on an extra year of salary and help Sacto shed 18 million fine.  But why not help ourselves in this deal?</p>
<p>Why not Rose, JJ, and JJ for Thomas and Miller?</p>
<p>Sacto gets an 8 million dollar expiring contract this year, a buy out candidate for next year, and guy who might be worth more to them than KT is right now.  They do take on an extra year of Jared&#8217;s contract, but that is balanced by the Rose contract that expires this year.</p>
<p>The Knicks save another 6 million in the summer of 2010. The Marbury trade doesnt help them save money when it really counts.</p>
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		<title>By: TDM</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2009-game-thread-knicks-vs-celtics/#comment-275222</link>
		<dc:creator>TDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;TDM - Why not just remove Portland from the trade. I think that Portland is ripping off the Knicks - Lee for Frye and Bayless and then the Knicks are ripping off LA - Q Rich and Rose for Camby, Jordan and Hart. In fact I think the only team ending up ahead is Portland who gets far and away the best player in the deal and gives up nothing but two third stringers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I totally agree.  I think the whole thing is a load of bull.  It doesn&#039;t make the Knicks a substantially better team, or substantially improve the Knicks position for the 2010 offseason.  I only hope that Berman is correct about Portland being interested in Curry.  Are they really that desperate for a low post scorer that doesn&#039;t rebound?  Who would they play him alongside?  Oden? Aldridge?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>TDM &#8211; Why not just remove Portland from the trade. I think that Portland is ripping off the Knicks &#8211; Lee for Frye and Bayless and then the Knicks are ripping off LA &#8211; Q Rich and Rose for Camby, Jordan and Hart. In fact I think the only team ending up ahead is Portland who gets far and away the best player in the deal and gives up nothing but two third stringers.</p></blockquote>
<p>I totally agree.  I think the whole thing is a load of bull.  It doesn&#8217;t make the Knicks a substantially better team, or substantially improve the Knicks position for the 2010 offseason.  I only hope that Berman is correct about Portland being interested in Curry.  Are they really that desperate for a low post scorer that doesn&#8217;t rebound?  Who would they play him alongside?  Oden? Aldridge?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben R</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2009-game-thread-knicks-vs-celtics/#comment-275221</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spreights and an asset might be okay for Lee but he is averaging almost 3 less rebounds per 36. Also the other problem with the trade is if we get back Dalembert we are actually making our 2010 cap situation worse not better and I would rather have a very tradable Lee making 8-10 million than an untradable Dalembert making 10 million. If we have to take back a contract like Dalembert and give up Lee and Nate I do not think getting Speights and Rudy is too much to ask.

I see as much potential in Rudy and less risk and he is playing alot more minutes than Speights and even though he is on a mini slump his TS% is still above 58%. Speights sample is also half the size of Rudy&#039;s, less than 500 minutes and I think Rudy is custom made for D&#039;Antoni&#039;s system.

With all that said I would still rather keep Lee than get either one of them, both of course I pull the trigger, but as you said that is unrealistic. 

Bottom line is in my opinion the Knicks should keep Lee, teams keep good young players because getting equal value is hard. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, don&#039;t trade away our only legitimatly good young player for the chance, most likely slim chance, of landing two better ones in 2010.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spreights and an asset might be okay for Lee but he is averaging almost 3 less rebounds per 36. Also the other problem with the trade is if we get back Dalembert we are actually making our 2010 cap situation worse not better and I would rather have a very tradable Lee making 8-10 million than an untradable Dalembert making 10 million. If we have to take back a contract like Dalembert and give up Lee and Nate I do not think getting Speights and Rudy is too much to ask.</p>
<p>I see as much potential in Rudy and less risk and he is playing alot more minutes than Speights and even though he is on a mini slump his TS% is still above 58%. Speights sample is also half the size of Rudy&#8217;s, less than 500 minutes and I think Rudy is custom made for D&#8217;Antoni&#8217;s system.</p>
<p>With all that said I would still rather keep Lee than get either one of them, both of course I pull the trigger, but as you said that is unrealistic. </p>
<p>Bottom line is in my opinion the Knicks should keep Lee, teams keep good young players because getting equal value is hard. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, don&#8217;t trade away our only legitimatly good young player for the chance, most likely slim chance, of landing two better ones in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Fernandez would be, if not my ideal pick, definitely one of the top guys I&#039;d want back in a &quot;One young player nearly as good as Lee and either 1 good first round pick or two first round picks period&quot; deal, which I think has to be what the Knicks get for Lee. 

But sure, I&#039;d be fine with Spreights as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Fernandez would be, if not my ideal pick, definitely one of the top guys I&#8217;d want back in a &#8220;One young player nearly as good as Lee and either 1 good first round pick or two first round picks period&#8221; deal, which I think has to be what the Knicks get for Lee. </p>
<p>But sure, I&#8217;d be fine with Spreights as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2009-game-thread-knicks-vs-celtics/#comment-275219</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Caleb--

&quot;I’d do it - but it’s a very expensive trade with marbs/miller involved - so unlikely.&quot;

Yeah, it&#039;s expensive, but it&#039;s not like paying $30 million to buy the draft pick that you use to draft a guy that you trade 24 months later for nothing but a roster spot... In this fake trade we&#039;d be paying to get a young player, a few picks, a starting center, and getting rid of Jeffries. That could be worth paying the taxes on.

&quot;Clippers trade old guy Camby for good young prospect...&quot;

Boy, if the Clips trade for Randolph and trade Camby the same season, they may as well hire Scott Layden as their GM. Camby is the only Clipper that cares at all about winning. Sure, it makes basketball sense, but at some point they owe their fan(s?) to have at least one guy they can root for. They thought they had that in Brand, but they hate his guts now. They thought they were getting that with Baron, but they hate his guts now. They need Camby there, big time.

&quot;Potential obstacle: What if Sixers aim in different direction, build trade around a swap of Andre Miller for Baron Davis?&quot;

That would be wild. Baron came to LA to play with Brand. Clippers fans hate both those guys. If they ended up in Philadelphia together (and started winning), they might blow up the Staples Center when the Sixers come to town...

&quot;I agree that Portland is a weird destination for Lee, considering the full frontcourt they already have. But I’m just playing off the multiple rumors in the papers.&quot;

Portland makes sense because they have tons of assets that we would like to have ourselves. 

The rumor that really doesn&#039;t make sense is the Eddy Curry to Portland one. They have two much better centers than Curry already on the roster for the long run. Why would they ever want or need Curry?

I love all this made up trade talk. I think I like it more than the actual games...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caleb&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;I’d do it &#8211; but it’s a very expensive trade with marbs/miller involved &#8211; so unlikely.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s expensive, but it&#8217;s not like paying $30 million to buy the draft pick that you use to draft a guy that you trade 24 months later for nothing but a roster spot&#8230; In this fake trade we&#8217;d be paying to get a young player, a few picks, a starting center, and getting rid of Jeffries. That could be worth paying the taxes on.</p>
<p>&#8220;Clippers trade old guy Camby for good young prospect&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Boy, if the Clips trade for Randolph and trade Camby the same season, they may as well hire Scott Layden as their GM. Camby is the only Clipper that cares at all about winning. Sure, it makes basketball sense, but at some point they owe their fan(s?) to have at least one guy they can root for. They thought they had that in Brand, but they hate his guts now. They thought they were getting that with Baron, but they hate his guts now. They need Camby there, big time.</p>
<p>&#8220;Potential obstacle: What if Sixers aim in different direction, build trade around a swap of Andre Miller for Baron Davis?&#8221;</p>
<p>That would be wild. Baron came to LA to play with Brand. Clippers fans hate both those guys. If they ended up in Philadelphia together (and started winning), they might blow up the Staples Center when the Sixers come to town&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I agree that Portland is a weird destination for Lee, considering the full frontcourt they already have. But I’m just playing off the multiple rumors in the papers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Portland makes sense because they have tons of assets that we would like to have ourselves. </p>
<p>The rumor that really doesn&#8217;t make sense is the Eddy Curry to Portland one. They have two much better centers than Curry already on the roster for the long run. Why would they ever want or need Curry?</p>
<p>I love all this made up trade talk. I think I like it more than the actual games&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2009-game-thread-knicks-vs-celtics/#comment-275218</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;i dont understand the theory that a resigned Lee at $10M per is easily moveable next season. what am I missing when you consider we have to take back an expiring to do that trade?&lt;/blockquote&gt; I&#039;m saying you can easily find a team with an expiring contract who would love to have David Lee at $10 million, because even if they don&#039;t need him so much right now (like say if they suck) they can always flip him for prospects. 

He&#039;s in the same boat as Gerald Wallace. You&#039;re never &quot;stuck&quot; with a guy like Wallace or Lee, even at almost $10 million/$10 million. If you really want to dump them for cap space, you can do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>i dont understand the theory that a resigned Lee at $10M per is easily moveable next season. what am I missing when you consider we have to take back an expiring to do that trade?</p></blockquote>
<p> I&#8217;m saying you can easily find a team with an expiring contract who would love to have David Lee at $10 million, because even if they don&#8217;t need him so much right now (like say if they suck) they can always flip him for prospects. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s in the same boat as Gerald Wallace. You&#8217;re never &#8220;stuck&#8221; with a guy like Wallace or Lee, even at almost $10 million/$10 million. If you really want to dump them for cap space, you can do it.</p>
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		<title>By: mase</title>
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		<dc:creator>mase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i dont understand the theory that a resigned Lee at $10M per is easily moveable next season. what am I missing when you consider we have to take back an expiring to do that trade?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont understand the theory that a resigned Lee at $10M per is easily moveable next season. what am I missing when you consider we have to take back an expiring to do that trade?</p>
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