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Friday, August 1, 2014

2009 Game Thread: Knicks at Thunder

From yesterday’s Alan Hahn blog:

A 6-foot-11 300-pound behemoth at the top of the key handling the ball, going behind his back (or attempting to) and dribbling down the lane en route to the basket much to the delight of his teammates. The culprit?

Eddy Curry. Yes, you read that correctly. Not only was Curry practicing for the second time in three days, he was working on his handles during a certain sequence as the Knicks were practicing the pick-and-roll. He wasn’t doing it for show — and it wasn’t a great one anyway because the cat still has a lot of rust to knock off his game.

D’Antoni didn’t rule out giving Curry some garbage time minutes against the Oklahoma City Thunder tomorrow night if the situation arises.

Am I crazy to be excited that Eddy Curry might play some garbage time?


Stats for tonight’s contest:

Oklahoma City Thunder

TEAM POSS EFF eFG TO OREB% FT/FG
New York Knicks-Offense 98.2 105.7 49.6 15.7 23.6 20.9
Rank
1
19
12
18
28
28
Oklahoma City Thunder-Defense 93.7 109.7 51.5 15 26.8 23.1
Rank
7
25
26
22
14
13
New York Knicks-Defense 98.2 108.9 51.6 15 26.9 19.8
Rank
1
20
27
23
17
4
Oklahoma City Thunder-Offense 93.7 100.7 46.7 17 27.1 22.2
Rank
7
29
28
26
14
23

New York heads into the heart of the Sooner State to play the NBA’s worst team. Oklahoma has won 4 games on the year. In their last meeting the Knicks amassed a 17 point first quarter lead, but were complacent and almost let the Thunder catch up in the fourth quarter. The Knicks starting lineup that night was Duhon, Crawford, Richardson, Chandler, and Randolph. And P.J. Carlesimo was Oklahoma’s coach. Oh how things have changed.

Fortunately for New York, the Thunder are the league’s second worst offense (29th). The Knicks need to worry about Kevin Durant, who at 20 years old has a healthy PER of 19.3. However he’s not surrounded by a lot of talent. Mason & Watson are sporting PERs of 8.5 and 6.6 respectively, and the two are averaging over 53 minutes a night. Oklahoma doesn’t seem to shoot from downtown often. Green leads the team with 1.3 3pa/36min, which would be 6th on New York (7th if you count Roberson).

26 comments on “2009 Game Thread: Knicks at Thunder

  1. BigBlueAL

    OKC has the 2nd worst offense?? Looks like the 80′s Lakers vs the Knicks D. So much for the improved D in 2 of their past 3 games.

  2. italian stallion

    Nate has not been playing well. It doesn’t shock me that we are struggling tonight. Oklahoma has been playing a little better lately, we are on the road, and this IS the Knicks.

  3. BK

    If I had to build a team with the people playing in OK tonight, I think I’d start with Durant and Westbrook and maybe even Green before I took a look at a single player on the Knick roster.

    Duhon once again is getting rumproasted by Westbrook.

  4. Caleb

    I love Duhon but that foul on Green, 35 feet from the basket with 1 second on the shot clock, was Sean Williams-esque.

  5. Caleb

    Now the refs are piling on – bogus charge on Nate, and Durant getting the call after he just slipped.

  6. BK

    This wasn’t as atrocious as the loss to the Timberwolves at home, but it was close. A big component of the Knicks’ arid play since the West Coast road trip — the Celtic win notwithstanding — has been Nate’s disappearing offense. Some of the shots he took tonight looked like he was playing a H-O-R-S-E while on crack.

    Sorry, I’m just ticked. Pretty good defense in the 4th quarter (plus the Thunder did what they could to give it away), but our offense was fadeaways and wild 3 pointers and turnovers down the stretch.

  7. Caleb

    It does look like a dreary season…

    I guess we can look forward to what might happen with Curry and Gallinari… whether the team can play better with a deeper rotation… and daydream possible trades.

    One thing – about Nate in particular – the intensity sticks all game long. Taking a charge, hitting his FTs even when he’s exhausted. You have to like the consistency of effort, even if shots haven’t been falling lately. Still quite efficient for the year.

  8. BigBlueAL

    If I had to build a team with the people playing in OK tonight, I think I’d start with Durant and Westbrook and maybe even Green before I took a look at a single player on the Knick roster.
    Duhon once again is getting rumproasted by Westbrook.

    Maybe even Green???? Its not even close, Id take all 3 in a heartbeat before anyone on the Knicks. Granted all 3 are Top 5 picks so OKC has been lucky in that sense. For as bad as the Knicks have been they havent had any luck whatsoever, plus trading future 1st-round picks due to stupid Isiah in the Curry trade, in getting high draft picks.

    Wilson Chandler is the only player on the Knicks, maybe Gallo but who knows, who looks like they could have a very promising future. The other players, Nate and Lee included, are who they are. Honestly, right now the Knicks might not have 1 player who could start on a championship caliber team, let alone even a high-quality playoff team.

  9. jon abbey

    and again, a big fuck you to Isiah for that pointless three game winning streak down the stretch last year that ended up costing us Westbrook.

  10. BigBlueAL

    This wasn’t as atrocious as the loss to the Timberwolves at home, but it was close. A big component of the Knicks’ arid play since the West Coast road trip — the Celtic win notwithstanding — has been Nate’s disappearing offense. Some of the shots he took tonight looked like he was playing a H-O-R-S-E while on crack.
    Sorry, I’m just ticked. Pretty good defense in the 4th quarter (plus the Thunder did what they could to give it away), but our offense was fadeaways and wild 3 pointers and turnovers down the stretch.

    The offense in 4th quarters down the stretch are always bad shots because the Knicks dont have one go-to player period. Sure when Harrington and Nate are hot they can carry you for a bit, but thats few and far between. I know people thought trading Zach and Jamal will improve the offense and especially the D, but it has made the offense much worse and except for stretches here and there the D still stinks even w/o them.

    Again I stress, those trades HAD to happen for the future, and more should happen to make the summer of 2010 even better. BUT anyone who downplayed the scoring, especially in crunch-time, of Jamal and Zach was wishful thinking. Fact is w/o Crawford both Nate and Duhon in extended minutes have slowly deteriorated and their play has been pretty awful lately.

    Its frustrating because you see this team play like they did vs the Lakers and Celtics and it gets you dreaming that maybe they could sneak into the playoffs. Fact is the best thing for this team is for this season to miss the playoffs, get another Top 10 pick, and further get under the cap for 2010 to be in the position to be able to sign 2 max players. One thing for sure, this current Knicks team at the least makes their games interesting to watch thats for sure….

  11. DRed

    Boo generator 2.0 should be happy with this result.

    Did Curry play at all? I’m fine with sucking if we can find some sap to take that guy off our hands at some point this season.

  12. BK

    theres still plenty of room on the tank-the-season band wagon

    I think it’s been said here before, but as bad as we’ve been lately, this is a very difficult season to tank. I know the weekly Power Ratings generated by most pundits/websites generally don’t mean much, but we’ve been ranked as high as 15th to 20th for several weeks because there are so many terrible teams this year.

    We won’t make the playoffs (barring some miracle move by Walsh), but finishing with one of the worst records would be a lot more work (losing to the Wolves and Thunder is a start, I’ll grant that), and I’m sure D’Antoni wants nothing to do with it.

  13. d-mar

    Celts lost to Bobcats tonight, so maybe our victory wasn’t as meaningful as we thought.

    I think it’s a beautiful thing to watch a crowd go crazy and support with everything they’ve got a team that’s 4-30. Amazing.

  14. Brian Cronin

    It was totally fucked up how the Thunder ended up in OKC, but yeah, the fans in OKC obviously love them their basketball.

  15. Ben R

    BigBlueAl – Lee is who he is, which is a very good player. Even if he is done improving and simply maintains averages of almost 16 pts and 12 rebs per 36 while shooting over 60% TS% that makes him a pretty special player. The fact is he is probably not even done improving since he is only 25 and his scoring average both per game and per 36 has gone up every season since his rookie year.

    In fact over the last three years only 3 players (D. Howard, T. Chandler, D. Lee) have had a season in which they averaged over 10 points and 10 rebounds while maintaining a TS% of over 60% and Lee has done it twice.

    I am down on the Knicks too but Lee is much better than Wilson Chandler will ever be and I would be absolutely shocked if Gallinari ever comes close.

  16. BigBlueAL

    BigBlueAl – Lee is who he is, which is a very good player. Even if he is done improving and simply maintains averages of almost 16 pts and 12 rebs per 36 while shooting over 60% TS% that makes him a pretty special player. The fact is he is probably not even done improving since he is only 25 and his scoring average both per game and per 36 has gone up every season since his rookie year.
    In fact over the last three years only 3 players (D. Howard, T. Chandler, D. Lee) have had a season in which they averaged over 10 points and 10 rebounds while maintaining a TS% of over 60% and Lee has done it twice.
    I am down on the Knicks too but Lee is much better than Wilson Chandler will ever be and I would be absolutely shocked if Gallinari ever comes close.

    Look I have praised David Lee alot this season because he has improved his offense alot in terms of hitting that baseline jumper a bit more consistantly and being able to drive more often w/o getting his shot sent into the stands. But his numbers to me are a huge reflection of this system and Randolph being traded. Defensively he is still horrible and is not going to be anywhere near worth what his salary will most likely reach if you are trying to put together a championship caliber team.

    I dont know why some fans here are trying to put down Wilson Chandler. He is 21 yo playing in his 2nd year after basically getting no playing time his rookie year and only playing 2 years in college. You cant tell me he will never come close to what David Lee is as a player, because you cant compare their talent/skill level because in that aspect David Lee doesnt come close to Chandler or most players in the NBA for that matter.

    Again I like David Lee and dont like ripping him, but please he is not a starting PF on a championship team. He is what his and Nate’s role should be, 20-25 minute players who bring energy off the bench. Those players are very important on good teams, but they are easier to find than go-to, superstar type players which is clearly what the Knicks are lacking and have lacked since Houston/Spree were together.

    I lived and died with the Knicks starting in 1991 so to me those teams under Riley and Van Gundy is what I know, and heck still today I try to download as many games from those teams I can find online or watch the Knicks History DVD just to I can remember how it was to watch a Knicks winning team. Watching this current team and every team since Van Gundy left has killed me and I think has made fans become so desperate to root foe good teams/players that we start praising players who really arent that good.

    Like I said I believe Chandler has the potential to become a very good player because of his age and the fact he is only in his 2nd season. But as I said earlier, there is not 1 player on this current roster who would be a starter on a championship-level team, and those are the type of players this team needs to acquire and obviously that is what the summer of 2010 is all about….

  17. BigBlueAL

    Hey Ben R I want to apologize because I hope I didnt sound to stupid and came on too strong ripping Lee and your post. Unlike baseball where I have vast knowledge of sabermetrics and such in basketball I dont look at stats beyond the basics as much as I should, although being an ESPN Insider I do like reading John Hollinger and becoming more aware of more analytical basketball stats.

    I LOVE this site because it is the only Knicks Fan’s Blog site I have found on the net worth reading every day. Unlike the Yankees’ who have a bunch, I always read RAB on a daily basis, I have a hard time talking with Knicks fans since I live in Miami so I have come to like this site alot and especially venting on game threads.

    I buy the League Pass every year, well at least the past 3 since I have had Comcast Digital Cable, and still live and die with every Knicks game even when they always lose and knowing losing would be better for their draft status. Im 28 yo and as I mentioned grew up with the Riley/Van Gundy Knicks and remember a time when the Knicks had a better chance of winning a championship than the Yankees. I want as desperate as anybody else here to see this team return to prominence, and just hope/pray that Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni are the duo to lead this team back there and the Summer of 2010 hopefully is the time for that to happen….

  18. Nick C.

    Al I’m not so sure about all this “without Jamal and Zach” we have problems late in games without a go-to scorer. Since Jamal came here the NYK have stunk overall and had a knack for bumbling down the stretch. Having both of them last year, albeit with you know who coaching, didnt’t help. Between them they have played about 10 or so seasons with not a single winning record between them so I didn’t see where they get this patina of being necessary for a team to win.

  19. bb10451

    New York Knicks

    Incoming Players
    Josh Howard
    Salary: $9,945,000 Years Remaining: 2
    PTS: 18.2 REB: 5.2 AST: 1.7 PER: 16.40

    Brandon Bass
    Salary: $826,269 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 7.6 REB: 4.1 AST: 0.4 PER: 13.13

    Outgoing Players: Eddy Curry, David LeeDallas Mavericks

    Incoming Players
    Eddy Curry
    Salary: $9,723,983 Years Remaining: 2

    David Lee
    Salary: $1,788,033 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 14.8 REB: 11.1 AST: 1.9 PER: 18.25

    Outgoing Players: Josh Howard, Brandon Bass

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