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Monday, October 20, 2014

2009 Game Thread: Knicks at Kings

Via Thomas B.’s Week in Advance…

The Kings are rebuilding around Kevin Martin, John Salmons, and uh…not much else. Sacramento is one of the worst defensive team in the NBA. They are 29th in defensive efficiency (112.9), tied for last in defensive eFG% with Golden State (52.8), and they don’t do well on the defensive glass giving up 29.5% of available defensive boards (29th). Only one team does it worse – you guessed it, the Warriors again. Their leading shot blocker is Hawes (1.8 per 36 minutes).

What to watch for: The Knicks should take the same approach they took against the Warriors with one exception – play better defense. The Kings are not strong on offense coming in 21st in offensive efficiency (103.7) and 15th in eFG% (15th). The Kings frequently turn over the ball (17.2, 24th), so added defensive pressure should bring those numbers up.

What to watch for 2: The Knicks should run the high pick & roll with Lee and Duhon against the Kings’ slow frontcourt players.

What to watch for 3: Push the pace. This game is the second of a back to back for the Kings. The Knicks come into this game on two days rest. The Knicks should push the pace and try to wear the Kings down. Hopefully, Nate, JJ, and Mobley (I’m still holding out hope) will be able to give us around 20-25 a night and help us keep the pressure on the Kings.

91 comments on “2009 Game Thread: Knicks at Kings

  1. Thomas B.

    They put the game on NBA TV, and of course my DC cable company does not carry NBA TV so I cant watch the game even though I have League Pass Broadband. That stinks.

  2. Thomas B.

    Thomas B, since you like to pat yourself on the back a lot, here’s one to be proud of:

    “Mobley (I’m still holding out hope)”

    There is nothing wrong with a little hope. For example.. I hope jon abbey will stop being such a jerk :-)

  3. beanmaxz

    I don’t get how the cable systems can carry League Pass but not NBA TV. I’ve got my choice of a lot of games this evening but can’t watch the Knicks because RCN carries just about every dedicated sports network (NHL, NFL, etc) except NBA TV.

    Glad to see we’re taking it to a team we should be beating. I had the Kings game against the Nuggets on last Saturday and I don’t think I’ve seen a poorer performance by an NBA team the entire season (and that includes the couple of Thunder games I made myself watch). The home crowd was booing and the announcers tried their best to talk about anything but the team on the floor.

    Weird thing though, is that the Kings match up really well against the Lakers — routed them at home earlier this week and gave them a good game last night.

  4. Thomas B.

    Warning: Pat myself on the back alert!!

    I knew the Kings had a slow front court, and that they are a poor defensive team, but even I in my infinite wisdom could not have predicted a 43 point quarter-damn.

  5. o_boogie

    Including tonight, DLee has 14 double-doubles for 5th in the NBA. That puts him ahead of ZBo, Bosh, Yao, Brand, Dirk, KG and Amare.

  6. jon abbey

    “I knew the Kings had a slow front court, and that they are a poor defensive team, but even I in my infinite wisdom could not have predicted a 43 point quarter-damn.”

    OK, Rutgers, you’ve got a new nickname. NNN, the non-Nostradamus of the NBA…

    we have to go back a long way to find a Knicks starting five in which I didn’t hate at least one of them. I’m a little nervous Nate didn’t come back out for the end of the second quarter, but he did play 17 minutes, and with back to back games and the big lead, maybe D’Antoni was just conserving him a bit.

    also, Mike D’Antoni=offensive genius. 43 in the first, with this personnel, just wow.

    has anyone ever looked worse going 3-5 from the field than Jeffries just did? seriously, he only missed two shots?

  7. jon abbey

    The Kings already went 11 deep by halftime. Looks like Theus has no answers.

    I was amazed when Theus got a head coaching job to begin with, I’ve rarely seen a team so poorly disciplined as Sacramento was in that first quarter.

  8. Ben R

    Everytime Jeffries touches the ball I get a little nervous. He already has three turnovers and they were terrible unforced ones. I like his defense but he tries to do too much with the ball, Diaw he is not.

    Also twice this half Chandler had chances to attack the rim and either get a dunk or go to the line and both times he tried to get fancy and missed the layup. He is so athletic when he has a head of steam he needs to attack and force the refs to call something.

  9. TDM

    Aside from Harrington getting picked by Beno while trying to dribble between his legs, and an errant pass by Chandler, a pretty solid quarter all together.

  10. TDM

    Aside from Harrington getting picked by Beno while trying to dribble between his legs, and an errant pass by Chandler, a pretty solid quarter all together.

    whoops, just realized that I’m an hour behind since I tivo’d the game. . .

  11. Ben R

    The team turned it around as soon as Lee came back onto the court. His presence seemed to calm the team that was struggling to find itself. He got an assist and a couple of rebounds conbined with a defensive stop and the team righted the ship. Good to see the team get it back together.

  12. beanmaxz
    Aside from Harrington getting picked by Beno while trying to dribble between his legs, and an errant pass by Chandler, a pretty solid quarter all together.

    whoops, just realized that I’m an hour behind since I tivo’d the game. . .

    TDM, thanks for the clarification…I thought we were in alternate worlds with our assessment of the third quarter (at least the part prior to Harrington’s outburst).

  13. Ben R

    I like what Harrington brings. He has been amazing the last two games. Since he settled into the team he has had one good game after another. I love that he and Thomas rarely screw up the offensive flow like Crawford and Randolph did.

  14. Thomas B.

    “I knew the Kings had a slow front court, and that they are a poor defensive team, but even I in my infinite wisdom could not have predicted a 43 point quarter-damn.”

    OK, Rutgers, you’ve got a new nickname. NNN, the non-Nostradamus of the NBA…

    Triple N- I like it. Thanks.

  15. Doug

    Didn’t Jerome James say that all he wanted to do before he retired was to prove he could still play? Perhaps this game is the measure of redemption he has been seeking. Let us hope.

  16. Thomas B.

    pretty excited about this starting five, hopefully Chandler can adjust to playing SF and with Harrington.

    Jerome James is a force of nature!

    Earth, wind, water, fire, flab.

  17. D

    who woulda thunk that after 22 games Jerome James would have more minutes and games played than Eddie Curry?

    Good idea to showcase James for other teams. Walsh’toni: always thinking

  18. D

    i dont see what the kings are trying to do as a team. obviously they suck. are they really rebuilding? i dont see it. most of their players are on the roster for next year. They’ve got a lot of tradeable guys, but havent made a move.

    I think they are waiting on 2010 like the knicks and have no plans for this year or next. They still have solomons, martin, and udrih under contract in 2010 and a lot of cap space.

    At least the knicks will be entertaining over the next year and a half

  19. Ray

    Walsh….lets make sure we leave Douby in Sacramento. Hes wack. Nice blowout…wish Danillo was healthy. Any reports on that back of his?

  20. TDM

    Jerome James get 2 points, 2 rebounds and a steal in 4 minutes. Man, Curry must feel like an ass. Who would have thought that 25% into the season, Big Snacks would have seen more pt than Curry.

  21. Brian Cronin

    If Harrington keeps playing this well, do you think there’s any chance we can deal him for a first rounder?

    Or do you think if he keeps playing this well that the Knicks should keep him?

    Another question re: Harrington – if he keeps playing this well, do you think he’ll opt out? He certainly won’t get anything close to $10 million in annual salary, but he might be able to get another long term deal.

  22. jon abbey

    I doubt he’d opt out, he wants to play for his hometown team with LeBron.

    I have a salary cap question: if in the 2010 offseason, we have $36 million of cap space, can we sign two guys to big deals (LeBron and Bosh) using up all of that, and then resign someone like Duhon whose deal is expiring, or do we have to renounce his rights? we would be able to sign someone to a midcap exemption deal still, right?

  23. Z-man

    If Harrington keeps playing this well, do you think there’s any chance we can deal him for a first rounder?
    Or do you think if he keeps playing this well that the Knicks should keep him?
    Another question re: Harrington – if he keeps playing this well, do you think he’ll opt out? He certainly won’t get anything close to $10 million in annual salary, but he might be able to get another long term deal.

    Nice problem to have. I have to admit to being totally wrong about Harrington, he’s more effective on both ends than I thought he would be. Hard to believe he was so buried in GS.

    Thomas isn’t killing us either.

    The Knicks aren’t beating the better teams yet, but they are establishing themselves as a team that can pile up wins against the bottom half of the league, even on the road. You would think we’d be missing Zach and Jamal’s offense, but it is like they were never here.

  24. Ted Nelson

    D’Antoni is doing a great job coaching, but I think people are underappreciating the team Walsh has put together. It’s not a very good team overall, but its a good fit for D’Antoni’s offense and the athleticism and hustle alone makes it better defensively than any Knicks team in years despite the lack of interior D. D’Antoni loved to stick a bunch of forwards on the floor in Phoenix, and Walsh has built a forward heavy roster (D’Antoni has also influenced the personnel by not playing Marbury and Curry, if not directly). They’ve also got a bunch of guys who shoot 3s, perhaps the most underappreciated part of the Crawford/Randolph “salary dumps.”

  25. David Crockett

    I don’t get how the cable systems can carry League Pass but not NBA TV. I’ve got my choice of a lot of games this evening but can’t watch the Knicks because RCN carries just about every dedicated sports network (NHL, NFL, etc) except NBA TV.

    Are you aware that if you subscribe to league pass you can stream any game on nba.com as part of the package? It’s in the fine print, and you may have to write your cable company if memory serves.

  26. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    “I knew the Kings had a slow front court, and that they are a poor defensive team, but even I in my infinite wisdom could not have predicted a 43 point quarter-damn.”

    OK, Rutgers, you’ve got a new nickname. NNN, the non-Nostradamus of the NBA…

    we have to go back a long way to find a Knicks starting five in which I didn’t hate at least one of them. I’m a little nervous Nate didn’t come back out for the end of the second quarter, but he did play 17 minutes, and with back to back games and the big lead, maybe D’Antoni was just conserving him a bit.

    also, Mike D’Antoni=offensive genius. 43 in the first, with this personnel, just wow.

    has anyone ever looked worse going 3-5 from the field than Jeffries just did? seriously, he only missed two shots?

    He did miss a dunk…

    Jerome James get 2 points, 2 rebounds and a steal in 4 minutes. Man, Curry must feel like an ass. Who would have thought that 25% into the season, Big Snacks would have seen more pt than Curry.

    Wait a second, Curry’s hurt, right?

  27. jon abbey

    D’Antoni is doing a great job coaching, but I think people are underappreciating the team Walsh has put together. It’s not a very good team overall, but its a good fit for D’Antoni’s offense and the athleticism and hustle alone makes it better defensively than any Knicks team in years despite the lack of interior D. D’Antoni loved to stick a bunch of forwards on the floor in Phoenix, and Walsh has built a forward heavy roster (D’Antoni has also influenced the personnel by not playing Marbury and Curry, if not directly). They’ve also got a bunch of guys who shoot 3s, perhaps the most underappreciated part of the Crawford/Randolph “salary dumps.”

    if you’re going to take this perspective, I think you have to say “I think people are underappreciating the team Isiah and Walsh have put together.”

  28. PoliceClyde

    It’s amazing how Clyde done a complete turnaround in his unobjective commentating. I mean i have actually heard him say back to back positive remarks about the home team. He’s still and underlying snake.
    Every so often he’ll spurt something out that reminds me that he would still like the season to end early. But he is definitely more tolerable. Big difference, Huge!. even on his replay selection.
    Kudos to the snake/Boo Generator..

  29. o_boogie

    Shelden Williams finished +1 for +/-. Funny, because he was clearly the worst player of both teams on the floor.

    Awesome having Nate back.

  30. Gian Casimiro (SSoM)

    Clippers beat the Rockets last night by 13. Back to back wins and back to back 30 point games for Zach. They’re 4-5 since he’s played for them and apparently playing much better. A trade that helped both teams? Who would’ve thunk it?

  31. Italian Stallion

    Harrington – Maybe we should start operating under the assumption that almost any player that D’Antoni/Walsh are attracted to will be better inside D’Antoni’s system than he was elsewhere.

    Chandler – You all know how much I like him, but if he doesn’t start using his athleticism to go straight to the hoop and either get an easy basket or get fouled, he is wasting the very God given gifts that I think make him a good prospect.

    Randolph – Randolph is still putting up excellent numbers for the Clippers.

    Balkman – Had another very good night off the bench for Denver (back on bench now that Martin is back). I don’t get to see many Nugget games, but you can’t help wonder if D’Antoni would have buried him on the bench here or found a solid role him despite the lack of outside/3 point shooting that he loves. Good to see he’s found a home.

    Crawford – Finally had a decent shooting night in another losing effort.

    QRich – Anyone besides me think that QRich’s minutes are about to start going down if Robinson gets the starting SG spot?

    Jermome James – It was almost funny to see how out of shape he is. How is it even possible to be on an NBA team, practive a few times a week, have access to a gym etc… and be that out of shape? I stay in better shape walking from my computer to the bathroom and back.

  32. Brian Cronin

    Wait, so when the Knicks play well, Clyde compliments them?

    That’s an interesting approach by Clyde – complimenting them when they play well and knock them when they play poorly.

  33. ess-dog

    I missed the game last night. Did Duhon and Lee find the pick and roll again? This was a far cry from last year when Salmons almost single handedly beat us w/ over 30 pts I believe.

    Someone mentioned the addition of 3 pt shooters… it’s so nice to see people taking open 3’s and making them. Craw was our only threat before, and he had horrible shot selection, even in the new system.

    We are going to have trouble with teams that have real centers. That’s when our defensive intensity will be so important- so we can speed up the game off steals and out-run the bigger teams.

    As for Sacto, what a mess. Miller should be traded before the deadline. Hawes seems to have some potential for his age. But Udrih was a bad bad signing. And to think people on this board wanted him and Calderon (D’Antoni looks like a genius so far picking Duhon.)

    Coaching carousel: Cheeks has been a bad coach for a while. He only stuck around longer b/c of that little playoff run. The sixers should get better soon. Theus should obviously be fired, he’s a terrible coach. Flip Saunders would be a good choice for them. It’s amazing how many teams are worse tha the Knicks now, right? They were the laughing stock last year, and are now just an average mid-level team. They might not even make the lottery!

  34. Gorky
    You would think we’d be missing Zach and Jamal’s offense, but it is like they were never here.

    There is precedent for this – remember when the Suns replaced Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson with Raja Bell and some combination of James Jones and Tim Thomas, and Amare with Diaw, and they won about the same number of games and made it even farther in the playoffs?

    D’Antoni’s offensive system is insanely good, if you have players that can shoot and are athletic. Which we apparently have.

  35. nj hoop

    Listening to Breen’s harsh (and deserved) criticism of the Kings’ total lack of energy and defensive effort, I was thinking that in the past few years, that type of talk would usually be directed at the Knicks. Remember all those Isiah games where we would be the team being embarrassed (and booed if at MSG)? All credit to D’Antoni, who has his team ready for every game and will not let them take a night off.

  36. PoliceClyde

    Wait, so when the Knicks play well, Clyde compliments them?
    That’s an interesting approach by Clyde – complimenting them when they play well and knock them when they play poorly.

    Brian, it’s a little more complicated than that.
    If you check my undisputed analysis of Clyde’s coverage on the opening Knicks vs Heat game on this Blog, you will be more informed and better equipped to pass judgment. Your only problem then would be to print my remarks and find the game to make a comparison. But rest assured that my comments on his coverage are true, otherwise the other more informed bloggers on this and other blogs would have been able to single out one statement i made that was not true.
    The funny thing is, you might still feel the same way. Clyde has that effect on people.You could have unequivocal proof that there is an impostor covering the game, and still look for fault on anyone else including the general manager, refs, Isiah, Larry Brown, Van Gundy etc.. He’s like John Gotti, the Teflon Don. I hold all of them equally responsible for what comes out of their mouths.

    Finally I can focus on the game and not have to spend most of the time defending the knicks against comments made by the Boo generator. lately, I have to spend much less time.

    Lets Go Knicks!!!!!

  37. PoliceClyde

    By the way, that opening game when Clyde the boo generator rained on the knicks, was a game they won.

  38. Ted Nelson
    D’Antoni is doing a great job coaching, but I think people are underappreciating the team Walsh has put together. It’s not a very good team overall, but its a good fit for D’Antoni’s offense and the athleticism and hustle alone makes it better defensively than any Knicks team in years despite the lack of interior D. D’Antoni loved to stick a bunch of forwards on the floor in Phoenix, and Walsh has built a forward heavy roster (D’Antoni has also influenced the personnel by not playing Marbury and Curry, if not directly). They’ve also got a bunch of guys who shoot 3s, perhaps the most underappreciated part of the Crawford/Randolph “salary dumps.”

    if you’re going to take this perspective, I think you have to say “I think people are underappreciating the team Isiah and Walsh have put together.”

    To some extent, but not really: Marbuy, Crawford and Zach were all expected to be 40 mpg players on Isiah’s team, Curry was also part of the “core.” So half of Isiah’s 8 man rotation is gone or sitting. Walshtoni have largely managed to keep the undervalued players Isiah acquired, trade or sit his overvalued players, and add a couple of other useful pieces.

  39. BiggieSmalls

    if in the 2010 offseason, we have $36 million of cap space, can we sign two guys to big deals (LeBron and Bosh) using up all of that, and then resign someone like Duhon whose deal is expiring, or do we have to renounce his rights?

    In your scenario we would have to renounce any free agents in 2010/11 in order to free up their 120% cap holds. Then we can not sign them unless we have free space or offer them the mid level exception if we are at/over the cap..

    Not sure what assumptions you use to get to 36 mil in free space on a 65 mil projected cap.

  40. Italian Stallion

    Thinking out loud…..

    Six weeks from now (give or take), hopefully, Gallinari will return to the Knicks and slowly start getting some playing time.

    At this point, I would say that Harrington brings most of the same things Chandler brings to the table at the 4, but better. So he’ll play the 4 and Chandler will probably get most of his playing time at the 3.

    Robinson will get a lot of minutes at the 2 and Qrich will probably get some time at the 2 and 3.

    Where does Gallinari fit?

    He’s probably a 3 at this stage, but I’m wondering if he can play good time at the 2 and fill the gap that exists because we don’t have Mobley?

    I read that before he had his growth spurt he played some 1 and 2. That’s why he has pretty good handle for a big man. To me, Chandler doesn’t have good enough handle and is not consistent enough of a shooter to be ideal to play the 2 even though D’Antoni tried him some there, but Gallinari might. It would actually probably make some sense from another direction. Given his suspect back, they will probably want him to play on the outside more and not get him banged around as much on the inside. The only question is whether he is quick enough to defend at the 2. But perhaps he can defend the 3 and Chandler can defend the 2? I can certainly imagine him shooting over the other 2s in the league and creating some fun mismatches at his size.

  41. Gorky

    I find it interesting that in 11 games with the Warriors, Jamal is averaging about the same # of minutes, less points, fewer attempted field goals and 3 pointers, more rebounds, more assists, and more steals.

  42. Italian Stallion

    I like Frazier.

    I think he’s strongly biased towards the very team oriented offensive play and strong defense that the Knicks he won championships with used. It colors his commentary. Once you recognize that, he’s fun.

    He’s starting to warm up to this team because they are passing very well and the team chemistry is excellent. But if they lose a few close ones because they can’t get stops late in the game, you can be sure he’s going to let us all know why. ;-)

  43. PoliceClyde

    I like Frazier.
    I think he’s strongly biased towards the very team oriented offensive play and strong defense that the Knicks he won championships with used. It colors his commentary. Once you recognize that, he’s fun.
    He’s starting to warm up to this team because they are passing very well and the team chemistry is excellent. But if they lose a few close ones because they can’t get stops late in the game, you can be sure he’s going to let us all know why. ;-)

    Here we go again.
    Italian
    Then how do you explain his attack against the knicks on the opening day when Crawford opened with a slew of points.
    How do you explain his replays that game.
    Nate stole the ball on one end and scored on the other, compare his reaction to that play with Gus Johnson. Clyde had nothing to say, no enthusiasm. See for yourself. heres the link. Clyde is a joke. I have been watching him for a long time. I anticipated what his coverage was going to be on the opening game of this season when the last one ended. That’s why I was prepared. I don’t get the excuses. There was none for what he did on the opening day and the immediate games following. Your argument does not apply. And just to clarify, my first remark today was not about this game. I am saying for some reason he’s been more tolerable recently.
    http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=965

  44. Italian Stallion

    PC,

    I saw the first game, but don’t recall his comments that day. What I do recall from early in the season (and pre-season) was some skepticism about coach D’Antoni’s coaching style, the Gallinari draft pick (“he’s a project”), and especially about defense in general because of coach D’s reputation. But he seems to have warmed to the situation because of the crisp and unselfish play on offense.

    My guess is that you are too young to remember those Knicks championship teams. If you were a fan then (I was), it’s almost impossible to not like Frazier even when you disagree with him. ;-)

  45. GAx

    Can we stop with the gratuitous, off-topic Frazier-bashing? I thought we left this behind last season, and you’re the only guy on fire about it. I’d much rather talk about the positive upswing this team has been on this season and where we’re going than the barbs you imagine are being thrown their way in a telecast.

    So, Al Harrington. I’m starting to love our Orange Boy more and more with each game. It gets easier to buy his talk of genuinely wanting to come to this team and play well here every time the fuzzy navel comes out and puts up numbers like this in yet another good team effort.

  46. Renaldo Balkman's Agent

    “If you check my undisputed analysis of Clyde’s coverage on the opening Knicks vs Heat game on this Blog, you will be more informed and better equipped to pass judgment.”

    Just because your idiotic manifesto was ignored doesn’t make it undisputed.

    Go start a Kelly Tripucka fan site with all the time you have on your hands.

    Or be a Celtic fan. Tommy Heinsohn is your idea of a great commentator, yelling at refs who make calls against his team.

  47. Italian Stallion

    More thinking out loud….

    If the Knicks somehow acquire a shot blocking, defense oriented, big man, who is the starting PF and who becomes 6th man?

    Lee?

    Harrington?

    Move Harrington to the 3 and bench Chandler?

  48. D

    More thinking out loud….
    If the Knicks somehow acquire a shot blocking, defense oriented, big man, who is the starting PF and who becomes 6th man?
    Lee?
    Harrington?
    Move Harrington to the 3 and bench Chandler?

    Who do you have in mind for the new knick? I think it depends on who they are, but i think chandler becomes the 6th man. i also dont think they will get someone like that.

  49. D

    anyone read the alan hann thing that denver has offered kleiza for d-lee? haha. i wonder if denvers gm called up the knicks and was suprised when walsh answered the phone and not isiah

  50. Italian Stallion

    I don’t have anyone in mind, but we know that Walsh considers inside defense and shot blocking to be an issue. He said that in an interview I saw. I don’t think we’re done making moves this season even if a SG is the #1 priority.

  51. Z

    “If the Knicks somehow acquire a shot blocking, defense oriented, big man, who is the starting PF and who becomes 6th man?…Who do you have in mind for the new knick?”

    Jerome James.

  52. Gian Casimiro (SSoM)

    anyone read the alan hann thing that denver has offered kleiza for d-lee? haha. i wonder if denvers gm called up the knicks and was suprised when walsh answered the phone and not isiah

    Couldn’t stop laughing when I saw it.

  53. POLICECLYDE

    PC,
    I saw the first game, but don’t recall his comments that day. What I do recall from early in the season (and pre-season) was some skepticism about coach D’Antoni’s coaching style, the Gallinari draft pick (”he’s a project”), and especially about defense in general because of coach D’s reputation. But he seems to have warmed to the situation because of the crisp and unselfish play on offense.
    My guess is that you are too young to remember those Knicks championship teams. If you were a fan then (I was), it’s almost impossible to not like Frazier even when you disagree with him. ;-)

    Hey Italian,
    FIST OF ALL WHAT ABOUT ALL THE FANS WHO DID NOT FOLLOW HIM WHEN YOU DID, I GUESS THEY SHOULD HATE HIM FOR HIS STUPIDIDTY NOW.
    IT’S IRRELEVENT HOW CLYDE , ISIAH OR AND ANYONE ELSE WAS BACK THEN. IF THEIR BEHAVIOR NOW IS NOT RATIONAL, YOU HAVE TO CALL IT THE WAY YOU SEE IT. THE FACT REMAINS, BASED ON THE UNDISPUTABLE PROOF THAT i HAVE SUPPLIE, CLYDE IS BIASED IN HIS REMARKS. YOU SHOULD NOT BE A COMMENTATOR REGAARLESS OF YOUR PRIOR ACHIEVMENTS IF YOU ARE NOT FAIR TO BOTH TEAMS. CRIMINALS ARE NOT GIVEN A PASS TO COMMIT CRIMES WHEN THEY ARE OLDER BECAUSE OF HOW THEY BEHAVED IN THE PAST. I REALLY CAN’T UNDERSTAND HOW ANY PERSON AFTER SEEING WITH THEIR OWN EYE’S HIS BEHAVIOR WHEN COVERING THAT FIRST GAME MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM. ISIAH, LARRY BROWN AND OTHERS WAS NOT GIVEN A PASS FOR THEIR PAST ACHIEVEMENTS. THE BOO GENERATOR SHOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENTLY. HE IS AN INSTIGATOR AND THE WORST ANNOUNCER EVER TO COVER AN NBA GAME. SPEAKING ABOUT THE PAST, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR HE PRASIED MAURBURY AND ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT HE WAS AN ASSET TO THE kNICKS TEAM; RETARDED! MAYBE HE’S LOST HIS MIND.
    YOU JUST SAID THAT HE ACTS THAT WAY BECAUSE HE FAVORS OFFENSIVE MINDED TEAMS. THE LINK I PROVIDED YOU ILLUSTRATES HIS COVERAGE OF A GAME THAT CRAWFORD SCORED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IT APPEARS AS IF YOU ARE MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM. i PORPOSELY BROKE DOWN HIS GAME WITH A TIMELINE SO THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR ANYONE TO DEFEND HIM.
    I COULD NOT PROVE MY CASE ANY BETTER THAN THAT. IF YOU CANT LOOK PAST HIS PRIOR ACHIEVEMENTS THEN YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.

    POLICE

  54. o_boogie

    “IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR HE PRASIED MAURBURY AND ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT HE WAS AN ASSET TO THE kNICKS TEAM; RETARDED! MAYBE HE’S LOST HIS MIND.”

    He is an asset, a $21 million expiring contract.

  55. Mulligan

    Is there something about nutjobs that they all respond the same way to internet message boards? Seriously, what purpose does caps lock even serve besides to let trolls show that THEY REALLY MEAN IT THIS TIME.

    Police Clyde, why don’t you just compare Frazier to Hitler? I find that whenever it seems like I might not win an argument on a message board, I just whip out the ol’ Hitler comparison and it blows the opposition away… I mean, Frazier is obviously a master of hate-infused propaganda, much like Goebbels.

    Personally, if Hubie Brown isn’t on, I just tune it out…

  56. cwod

    Speaking of rational thought..

    Did anyone notice Rob Kurz started last night for Golden State and went 7-11 with 20 points, seven rebounds, two blocks, and two steals in 33 minutes? What’s up with random undrafted rookies having great first starts for the Warriors? Also, what’s up with undrafted Notre Dame players finding themselves contributing in the NBA (Kurz, Matt Carroll, Chris Quinn)?

  57. Rich P

    Yea obviously Police Clyde is just batshit crazy. Those with league pass will attest that most regional commentators are absolutley horrible, devoid of both insight and personal style. Clyde may lay it on a little thick sometimes, but he’s pretty insightful and hes a New York legend with style in spades. Spare us the all caps manifesto next time and hopefully find something else to harp on other than how the announcers affect the game (or don’t).

  58. PoliceClyde

    Is there something about nutjobs that they all respond the same way to internet message boards? Seriously, what purpose does caps lock even serve besides to let trolls show that THEY REALLY MEAN IT THIS TIME.
    Police Clyde, why don’t you just compare Frazier to Hitler? I find that whenever it seems like I might not win an argument on a message board, I just whip out the ol’ Hitler comparison and it blows the opposition away… I mean, Frazier is obviously a master of hate-infused propaganda, much like Goebbels.
    Personally, if Hubie Brown isn’t on, I just tune it out…

    Mulligan.
    Hitler, it never crossed my mind. I can see why you would bring that up to win an argument though. It’s not easy to win based on facts.
    Clyde is a boo generator. an instigator. a cheerleader for the opposing team. When the first game is replayed, I will be sure to let everyone know so that they can see for themselves.

    I would package him up with Maubury and trade them for a pack of skittles with a no take back clause.

  59. ess-dog

    Man, I love the young Grizz team right now. Conley, Mayo, Gay, Arthur and Gasol… that’s a great core for the future. The problem is, we haven’t been bad enough to assemble a team like that. Also, the Curry trade really f’d us.

    Also the Clips. Why aren’t they better? Baron, Gordon, Thornton, Randolph and Camby is a great team. Sure they need time to mesh, but if they don’t get better, you’ve got to ax Dunleavy.

    I wonder if Starbury is having any luck finding a new team out west? I can’t imagine anyone wanting to sign him. Golden State? Phoenix? I’m trying to think of desperate teams, but it seems like a longshot.

    Speaking of desperate, there might be a few teams interested in Harrington at the break. What do you move him for? cap relief and a 1st rounder? Look at Orlando, Dallas, Houston… teams that need to get by the big 3 at the top (Boston, LA, Cleveland.)

    I don’t think you trade Lee (especially straight up for Kleiza.) Or Nate. Maybe Chandler if you can package him with Curry. While I think we want to do something, I think our team is fairly balanced now and another trade for 2010 would screw up the roster… unless you can pull of a series of trades. Should be fun.

  60. Owen

    “Mike K: It’s about time!

    oboogie: frickin’ hilarious!”

    I concur with both those sentiments. Honestly, that is a moment of pure comedy….

    Now Kleiza for Lee? Not funny….

  61. BiggieSmalls

    Kleiza for Lee straight up? no way obviosuly..

    now if they throw in two unprotected first rounders? sounds better.

    What if they also do a separate trade of Eddy C for their 9.7 million Iverson trade exception?

  62. D

    “What if they also do a separate trade of Eddy C for their 9.7 million Iverson trade exception?”

    i dont think theyd take curry for nothing because they know the knicks would be willing to give up another asset just to get rid of him. plus denver is usually pretty cheap and will not want to add payroll and lux tax

  63. BiggieSmalls

    i dont think anyone would take Curry given his heart condition, contract and his lack of conditioning/effort/defense ..

    Coach Karl would beat him to a pulp too..

    Denver has Charlotte’s number one to play with –its lottery protected next year and 1-12 in 10, 1-10 in 11, 1-8 in 12 or 1-3 in 13

  64. GAx

    Ya gotta love the NY media. Let’s hope David Stern takes pity on us and allows us to claim DPE instead of the medical retirement. That should help with our flexibility and maybe we could actually end up with 8 or 9 healthy bodies for Coach MD to work with. The doc’s worked miracles with barely functional practices, so I’m MORE than optimistic about this season and beyond. Did you hear Harrington talk playoffs? Are we talkin playoffs, here? I mean, this is playoffs.

    Playoffs?

    Well no, obviously it’s a 1 in 1,000,000, but it’s great to see the cohesiveness and upbeat vibe in that locker room again. It’s a little like the injection of energy and enthusiasm Melky and Cano helped bring to the dugout the last couple years for the Yanks; this breath of fresh air is just another positive step forward as we start picking up steam for 2010. We’re beating teams we should beat, and sometimes ones we shouldn’t! I can actually see us taking one over Phoenix with all the turmoil there and our coach being pretty familiar with the personnel, and Tuesday brings LA who is slumping along with Kobe and ALWAYS has had a problem defending what’s turning into our bread and butter, the pick and roll. What a difference having an actual coach makes.

    Congrats on the nice link from TrueHoop, btw, KB. Soon the world will take Gian away from us. This is why we can’t have nice things.

  65. PoliceClyde

    All caps + insult other users + tin foil hat = ban.

    OK, the all caps was uncalled for but insults, “nutjobs” “crazy” and other words has been used by others. I’m really good at research, I can give you many other examples. I think I was quite amicable in comparison. I provided good, detailed supporting evidence and the only thing people can say is that other announcers are bad too.
    That does not say to much about the Boo Generator.. I have no complaints about any other announcer in NY. Who cares about the other regional commentators. I’ve watched them and they are gift compared to Clyde. The boo generator has been causing havock on NY for to long. Just pretend that his first day coverage of the Knicks was a game he was covering of your kid. How would you like if all the highlights was for the team in another town. He’s been much better lately but I don’t believe it’s by choice. I think he’s feeling the wheight of someones foot on his neck, Finally. Check out the coverage of his first couple of games this season.. The Worst!

  66. Frank O.

    No
    No
    No.
    The Knicks should not trade David Lee…for anyone that would be reasonably offered. He is everything that guys like Owen said he would be two years ago.
    He is averaging 14 pts and better than 10 rebounds per. He is among the top 10 in shooting percentage. I’d love to see his foul shooting improve (71 percent). His pick and roll work with Duhon makes that tandem one of the most effective in basketball.
    His defense isn’t great, but he’s often defending against other teams’ centers.

  67. daaarn
    All caps + insult other users + tin foil hat = ban.

    OK, the all caps was uncalled for but insults, “nutjobs” “crazy” and other words has been used by others. I’m really good at research, I can give you many other examples. I think I was quite amicable in comparison. I provided good, detailed supporting evidence and the only thing people can say is that other announcers are bad too.
    That does not say to much about the Boo Generator.. I have no complaints about any other announcer in NY. Who cares about the other regional commentators. I’ve watched them and they are gift compared to Clyde. The boo generator has been causing havock on NY for to long. Just pretend that his first day coverage of the Knicks was a game he was covering of your kid. How would you like if all the highlights was for the team in another town. He’s been much better lately but I don’t believe it’s by choice. I think he’s feeling the wheight of someones foot on his neck, Finally. Check out the coverage of his first couple of games this season.. The Worst!

    Don’t like it? Don’t watch it. That or just turn off the volume.

  68. PoliceClyde

    Have you had any restraining orders filed against you in a New York State court of law?
    I am curious.

    How did Doug’s comments magically appear between mine and Frank O’s,
    it was not there before.
    But anyway, to answer your question. No. I’m just a die hard Knick Fan unlike many others. Know one gets a pass on my watch. This year it’s Clyde next year it may be someone else. His opening day coverage of Knicks Vs Heat was the worst I’ve ever heard in any sport. Those who printed what I said and followed it carefully agreed with me. And that was not his first offense. he’s been under the radar screwing the Knicks for a long time. These past games though he’s been much better. But don’t let an opportunity arise. Not unless he’s done a 360.
    You don’t have to be a psycho to have that opinion. His actions speak for themselves. Last year the ref’s were the worst. This year they are much better. excluding this most recent game against the Suns.Otherwise I’d would be on there behind.

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