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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-thread-sonics-at-knicks-12122007/#comment-194902</link>
		<dc:creator>jon abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well, the highlight of that one was Randolph throwing the ball off Nocioni&#039;s face, that guy&#039;s like today&#039;s Bill Laimbeer.

if Vecsey, P.&#039;s report in today&#039;s Post:
 http://www.nypost.com/seven/12142007/sports/knicks/time_to_fire_isiah_380074.htm?page=1

is accurate about how toxic the locker room has become (no shock, but still interesting to see it spelled out), I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to judge the young role players on this team too much. they get jerked around in terms of minutes seemingly unrelated to how well they&#039;re playing, and they&#039;re forced to play with the remarkably deficient veterans. Collins I think we know enough about to know he shouldn&#039;t be more than an emergency guy at most, but Balkman and Nate I think could thrive if they knew they were getting 20 minutes a night consistently. plus it&#039;s absurd that Chandler doesn&#039;t get any minutes, not to mention Randolph Morris. SEE IF THESE GUYS CAN PLAY OR NOT! thank you.

Curry was abused once he had the ball tonight more than I&#039;ve ever seen, really sad. he&#039;s definitely regressed this year, and I don&#039;t think it really has that much to do with Randolph&#039;s addition. Bill Simmons had a trade proposal that made a lot of sense both ways today:

&quot;this trade works after Dec. 15: Eddy Curry (less than half the price tag of Shaq for the same stats), Stephon Marbury (expires in 2009) and Fred Jones&#039; expiring deal for Jason Williams&#039; expiring deal and $82 million worth of Shaq and Mark Blount (both of whom expire in 2010).&quot;

Curry would be better next to Mourning and Haslem, and Shaq would be so fun to root for, even if he&#039;s a shadow of his former self. NY right now would be better if they traded Curry and Marbury for nothing, so anything you can get from Shaq over the next few years is a bonus.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071214]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, the highlight of that one was Randolph throwing the ball off Nocioni&#8217;s face, that guy&#8217;s like today&#8217;s Bill Laimbeer.</p>
<p>if Vecsey, P.&#8217;s report in today&#8217;s Post:<br />
 <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/12142007/sports/knicks/time_to_fire_isiah_380074.htm?page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/seven/12142007/sports/knicks/time_to_fire_isiah_380074.htm?page=1</a></p>
<p>is accurate about how toxic the locker room has become (no shock, but still interesting to see it spelled out), I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to judge the young role players on this team too much. they get jerked around in terms of minutes seemingly unrelated to how well they&#8217;re playing, and they&#8217;re forced to play with the remarkably deficient veterans. Collins I think we know enough about to know he shouldn&#8217;t be more than an emergency guy at most, but Balkman and Nate I think could thrive if they knew they were getting 20 minutes a night consistently. plus it&#8217;s absurd that Chandler doesn&#8217;t get any minutes, not to mention Randolph Morris. SEE IF THESE GUYS CAN PLAY OR NOT! thank you.</p>
<p>Curry was abused once he had the ball tonight more than I&#8217;ve ever seen, really sad. he&#8217;s definitely regressed this year, and I don&#8217;t think it really has that much to do with Randolph&#8217;s addition. Bill Simmons had a trade proposal that made a lot of sense both ways today:</p>
<p>&#8220;this trade works after Dec. 15: Eddy Curry (less than half the price tag of Shaq for the same stats), Stephon Marbury (expires in 2009) and Fred Jones&#8217; expiring deal for Jason Williams&#8217; expiring deal and $82 million worth of Shaq and Mark Blount (both of whom expire in 2010).&#8221;</p>
<p>Curry would be better next to Mourning and Haslem, and Shaq would be so fun to root for, even if he&#8217;s a shadow of his former self. NY right now would be better if they traded Curry and Marbury for nothing, so anything you can get from Shaq over the next few years is a bonus.</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071214" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071214</a></p>
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		<title>By: xduckshoex</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-thread-sonics-at-knicks-12122007/#comment-194861</link>
		<dc:creator>xduckshoex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;xduckshoex: Could that be because the Knicks offense is pretty atrocious as it is?&quot;

No, it really couldn&#039;t be.  The Knicks offense could always get worse, especially if Balkman is as bad as you say he is.  But it doesn&#039;t get worse when Balkman is in the game.

If Balkman tried to do things that are outside his skillset it would certainly have a negative impact, but he doesn&#039;t.  He moves the ball, cuts and crashes the boards, and that is all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;xduckshoex: Could that be because the Knicks offense is pretty atrocious as it is?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it really couldn&#8217;t be.  The Knicks offense could always get worse, especially if Balkman is as bad as you say he is.  But it doesn&#8217;t get worse when Balkman is in the game.</p>
<p>If Balkman tried to do things that are outside his skillset it would certainly have a negative impact, but he doesn&#8217;t.  He moves the ball, cuts and crashes the boards, and that is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-thread-sonics-at-knicks-12122007/#comment-194843</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[two consecutive shot clock violations, nice...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two consecutive shot clock violations, nice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-thread-sonics-at-knicks-12122007/#comment-194840</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s like he heard you, playing awesome right now...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like he heard you, playing awesome right now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-thread-sonics-at-knicks-12122007/#comment-194838</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All this talk about Balkman reminds me of the pre-season, when Brandon Tierney of ESPN claimed in no uncertain terms that the Knicks had the best bench in the NBA, led by the triumvirate of Lee, Balkman, and Nate Robinson.  He also proceeded to trash the Celtics bench.  Balkman and Robinson -- not that good to begin with -- are now non-entities.  Gee, do you think he was just a wee bit off with that bold assessment???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk about Balkman reminds me of the pre-season, when Brandon Tierney of ESPN claimed in no uncertain terms that the Knicks had the best bench in the NBA, led by the triumvirate of Lee, Balkman, and Nate Robinson.  He also proceeded to trash the Celtics bench.  Balkman and Robinson &#8212; not that good to begin with &#8212; are now non-entities.  Gee, do you think he was just a wee bit off with that bold assessment???</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All this talk about Balkman reminds me of the pre-season, when Brandon Tierney of ESPN claimed in no uncertain terms that the Knicks had the best bench in the NBA, led by the triumverate of Lee, Balkman, and Nate Robinson.  He also proceeded to trash the Celtics bench.  Balkman and Robinson -- not that good to begin with -- are now non-entities.  Gee, do you think he was just a wee bit off with that bold assessment???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk about Balkman reminds me of the pre-season, when Brandon Tierney of ESPN claimed in no uncertain terms that the Knicks had the best bench in the NBA, led by the triumverate of Lee, Balkman, and Nate Robinson.  He also proceeded to trash the Celtics bench.  Balkman and Robinson &#8212; not that good to begin with &#8212; are now non-entities.  Gee, do you think he was just a wee bit off with that bold assessment???</p>
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		<title>By: TheMC5</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-thread-sonics-at-knicks-12122007/#comment-194667</link>
		<dc:creator>TheMC5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[xduckshoex: Could that be because the Knicks offense is pretty atrocious as it is?

Mike K: I do watch the action off the ball, and particularly on the defensive end. And yes, Crawford is an atrocious defender, but bear in mind that it is magnified by the defensive ineptitude of the front court players. Balkman does have a decent handle, but nowhere near good enough to cause any sort of penetration on offense. His strengths on offense might be somewhat masked by playing for Knicks, since they don&#039;t really run the break that often. But a player of Balkman&#039;s skill set and physical stature needs to be able to hit an open jumper, especially if the Knicks continue to feed the post on offense. If he can&#039;t, he makes it really easy for the opposition to double team Curry/Randolph (although, even if he could shoot, there&#039;s no guarantee that those 2 would even bother to pass out of the double team, anyway).

Also, I retract my previous statement of him having no value in 5 years time. I think he will have LITTLE value in 5 years time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xduckshoex: Could that be because the Knicks offense is pretty atrocious as it is?</p>
<p>Mike K: I do watch the action off the ball, and particularly on the defensive end. And yes, Crawford is an atrocious defender, but bear in mind that it is magnified by the defensive ineptitude of the front court players. Balkman does have a decent handle, but nowhere near good enough to cause any sort of penetration on offense. His strengths on offense might be somewhat masked by playing for Knicks, since they don&#8217;t really run the break that often. But a player of Balkman&#8217;s skill set and physical stature needs to be able to hit an open jumper, especially if the Knicks continue to feed the post on offense. If he can&#8217;t, he makes it really easy for the opposition to double team Curry/Randolph (although, even if he could shoot, there&#8217;s no guarantee that those 2 would even bother to pass out of the double team, anyway).</p>
<p>Also, I retract my previous statement of him having no value in 5 years time. I think he will have LITTLE value in 5 years time.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Balkman does a lot of things well and he may help the offense in some areas, but I think we are all frustrated with the fact that he just cannot shoot the ball at all from outside 3 feet.  He&#039;s not a lumbering center, he&#039;s an athletic 6&#039;8&quot; forward -- these guys are SUPPOSED to be able to shoot. If Charles Oakley or Mikki Moore can work and work and work on their shot, or if Amare Stoudemire can spend his rehab time working on a 12-15 foot jumper and now is hitting it reasonably consistently, why can&#039;t Balkman?  I&#039;m a terrible athlete and I can hit a 15 foot shot if left alone at least 50% or more of the time. I can hardly imagine not being able to get that to 60% if all I did for months was shoot hundreds of jumpers from different spots on the floor 12-15 feet away.  I honestly think that a world-class basketball athlete that can&#039;t hit at 12 or 15 foot jumper is just not trying hard enough in the offseason. Or they need glasses. If you look at Balkman, he is the same player (or worse) as the player he was last year. For a relatively undeveloped energy guy that is not a good sign. If you look at David Lee who was similarly a reasonably undeveloped energy guy when he came into the league, he has improved something just about every year.  From year 1-2 it was his FT shooting, and this year it&#039;s clear that he&#039;s worked on his mid-range jumpshot (it&#039;s not quite there yet but you can see he has some confidence in it from all the hours put in).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Balkman does a lot of things well and he may help the offense in some areas, but I think we are all frustrated with the fact that he just cannot shoot the ball at all from outside 3 feet.  He&#8217;s not a lumbering center, he&#8217;s an athletic 6&#8217;8&#8243; forward &#8212; these guys are SUPPOSED to be able to shoot. If Charles Oakley or Mikki Moore can work and work and work on their shot, or if Amare Stoudemire can spend his rehab time working on a 12-15 foot jumper and now is hitting it reasonably consistently, why can&#8217;t Balkman?  I&#8217;m a terrible athlete and I can hit a 15 foot shot if left alone at least 50% or more of the time. I can hardly imagine not being able to get that to 60% if all I did for months was shoot hundreds of jumpers from different spots on the floor 12-15 feet away.  I honestly think that a world-class basketball athlete that can&#8217;t hit at 12 or 15 foot jumper is just not trying hard enough in the offseason. Or they need glasses. If you look at Balkman, he is the same player (or worse) as the player he was last year. For a relatively undeveloped energy guy that is not a good sign. If you look at David Lee who was similarly a reasonably undeveloped energy guy when he came into the league, he has improved something just about every year.  From year 1-2 it was his FT shooting, and this year it&#8217;s clear that he&#8217;s worked on his mid-range jumpshot (it&#8217;s not quite there yet but you can see he has some confidence in it from all the hours put in).</p>
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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I also remember him getting 3 fouls in less than one minute guarding LeBron James?&quot;

that was this season and in his first game back. last year he did OK against LeBron, not amazing, but no one can really guard him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I also remember him getting 3 fouls in less than one minute guarding LeBron James?&#8221;</p>
<p>that was this season and in his first game back. last year he did OK against LeBron, not amazing, but no one can really guard him.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-thread-sonics-at-knicks-12122007/#comment-194427</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I also remember the Knicks putting him on Yao Ming and LeBron James&quot;

I also remember him getting 3 fouls in less than one minute guarding LeBron James...

But I still like him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I also remember the Knicks putting him on Yao Ming and LeBron James&#8221;</p>
<p>I also remember him getting 3 fouls in less than one minute guarding LeBron James&#8230;</p>
<p>But I still like him.</p>
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