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Tuesday, November 25, 2014

42 comments on “2008 Thread: Knicks vs Minnesota 11/04/07

  1. jon abbey

    nice, thanks, Mike!

    my first year with a DVR, definitely comes in handy, especially when the game overlaps something like Patriots/Colts.

    hopefully Balkman will be able to get into the flow better today, last game LeBron just went right at him and Isiah never brought him back. I want to see a Crawford/Nate/Mardy guard rotation with Fred Jones as a 4th guy if necessary, pretty sick of Marbury.

  2. Paul

    Was it just me, or was that a sorry ass opening video? That aside, I’m pumped for this game. It’s about to tip off and I think we’ll do well. We’ll see.

  3. Frank O.

    Anyone keeping track of how many layups Marbury has missed these past few games…include preseason, it’s a lot.

  4. Frank O.

    Randolph is a rebounding monster. Four already.
    Lee is going to find it tough getting minutes…

  5. Frank O.

    I’m trying to figure out why Marbury,Crawford and Q are starters…Just terrible.
    Shooting terribly, defending terribly.

  6. Frank O.

    Robinson,Lee and Balkman on the court at the same time. You have to like that grouping.
    Robinson appears to be on fire again tonight.

  7. Frank O.

    Okay. 5:50 remaining in the second and the bench of Robinson, Lee and Balkman pull the Knicks back in the game and ahead by four.
    Marbury just returned.
    Now let’s see if the Knicks fade again going into the half…

  8. Danis

    Im loving this 8 man rotation, although relying on ESPN Gamecast as Im in New Zealand at work so dont get a good opinion on who is playing well.

  9. Frank O.

    Starters return and MCants all of a sudden looks like a world beater.Of course that would be Crawford’s man.
    And then Marbury and Curry make turnovers…
    Amazing. Our second team is so much better than our first/

  10. jon abbey

    back in real time, and I couldn’t agree more about the first and second team. it’ll be interesting to see how the minute allocations end up tonight.

  11. Frank O.

    Crawford simply cannot guard anyone. Mccants is killing him.
    The only saving grace was McCants’ foul trouble. But what a matador Crawford is.
    He has these moments where he gets used, tries to make up for it on the offensive side, and then turns it over.

    on the other hand I was enjoying Nate tonight until he tried to drive 1 on 3 and got rejected. Even if he gets that shot off, it’s a prayer of a circus shot. Still has a bit of stupid in him.
    Lee, Robinson and balkman on the court has really been a nice set. Curry and randolph are interchangeable. But I can’t believe how many minutes Crawford is getting.

  12. Frank O.

    Also trying to figure out what Q is doing out there. He is so not involved. when Balkman is out there, he’s so active, it make Q look like he’s standing around.

  13. Frank O.

    Crawford another TO. And Gomes kills us with another three.

    Every team we play, they get wide open 3s. I’m so sick of the open shots. A good team kills the knicks with this many open 3s.

  14. Frank O.

    Curry has got to make his free throws…at some point, Isiah will have to decide to pull him from the game down the stretch because he can’t make a free throw.
    Lee is way better from the line.

  15. Frank O.

    Starters in the last few sequences are just standing around and Crawford heaves up another long prayer…
    Just don’t like this starting five.

  16. jon abbey

    still the lowest team IQ in the league, Curry has to kick that ball back up and let a guard get fouled. come on, guys, try to hold on for once…

  17. Danis

    Im in agreement on Crawford, he plays horrible D and gets too many minutes. And even though he jacks up way too many bad shots it is good to know we have someone who doesnt mind the ball in crunch time and has the balls to take the final shot. He was a great 6th man but too unreliable as a starter.

  18. Frank O.

    How is it that with the ball in the last 20 seconds th Knicks appear to have no plan and now they are down to 11 seconds up my only three and Minnesota has the ball. Just bad coaching or bad generalship on the floor.
    Isiah seems to say, Crawford driibble and find a shot and the rest of the Knicks are just standing around..

  19. Frank O.

    Amazing gift.
    they give the ball to walker who has been on the bench all night.
    Total gift.

    The Knicks feel like they barely deserved to win this one.

  20. jon abbey

    “How is it that with the ball in the last 20 seconds th Knicks appear to have no plan and now they are down to 11 seconds up my only three and Minnesota has the ball. Just bad coaching or bad generalship on the floor.”

    yes, both, is this your first contact with the genius of Isiah/Marbury?

    meanwhile, looks like we’re going to win, baby! ain’t no stoppin’ us now, we’re on the move… :)

  21. Frank O.

    Also, the Knicks miss six free throws in the fourth.
    Can’t beat good teams doing that…
    Sorry, been very negative on the Knicks. but they do so many small things badly, that comes back to coaching…and poor discipline on the part of the players…

  22. Paul

    Jesus guys. We just WON our first home opener in years now and I can count the number of positive posts with Gerald Green’s right hand. For the most part, I’d say our defense was pretty good(except for that fog of war they seem to enter when they go behind the screen), we had excellent aggressiveness getting to the basket,

  23. Luke

    The knicks guards had the perimeter locked up in the first half .Mccants and Co didnt get loose until Isiah had them to start doubling Jefferson whenever he touched the ball in the second half.

    LOL at the saving grace for Crawford being Mccants foul trouble .Who exactly put him in foul trouble in the first place and then fouled him out ?

    LOL too funny

  24. Z

    “the saving grace for Crawford being Mccants foul trouble .Who exactly put him in foul trouble in the first place and then fouled him out ?”

    True. Crawford’s best defense is his offense. That works fine against the McCants led Timberwolves. It won’t be a pretty formula against most other teams.

    Especially when Jamal reverts to his stutter-step 20 foot fade away, which thankfully he only tried once in the 4th quarter. Still it’s once too many…

    He had a very strong offensive game today and deserves a lot of credit for it. But his D really is everything Frank O. says it is.

    I’ll second what Frank O. posted about the starting five, too. The Knicks play flat and passionless in the first quarter, then play energetic, fundamental, intangible ball with the subs in to take control of the game. Then the third quarter sees us lethargic again. It’s no coincidence that the 1st and the 3rd quarters killed us last year, and the trend looks like it will continue.

    I was very worried when with 7 minutes to go all 5 starters had found their way back onto the court (including Q!). But they held onto the lead and came away with a win, so it’s hard to say that it should have been done differently.

  25. Matthew

    Refs must have been betting the “under” because the foul margin was ridiculously in the Knicks favor. Whittman’s genius idea of having a 32% career 3 point shooter who had been sitting on the bench all game take the game-tying shot shows he’s been studying hard in Kevin McHale school of ineptness.

  26. Dan Panorama

    I know we’re all pretty down after the last six years, but this is an astoundingly negative thread considering the Knicks won.

  27. Luke

    Z- so basically your entire philosophy is based on your intuition.

    Going to the basket and trying to get the opposing guard in foul trouble wont work on opposing teams ?

    When jamal reverts ? Again its not something thats happened but seems to be something you are hoping for .

    Mccants 13 pts after having 23 pts the game before and somehow he still gets a mention as if he did anything of relevance.

  28. jon abbey

    “this is an astoundingly negative thread considering the Knicks won.”

    like I said, it was almost all one person.

    that being said, NY didn’t play well, on paper this should have been one of the easiest games of the year, at home against Minnesota with no Foye. I also wouldn’t get too excited about the close loss to Cleveland, who were playing without Varejao and Pavlovic and who may have trouble even making the playoffs this year. NY will need to play decidedly better to beat most other teams, and I think that’s what you’re getting in this thread, along with a bit of fatalism from experience.

  29. Z

    “Z- so basically your entire philosophy is based on your intuition.”

    It’s based on history.

    “When jamal reverts ? Again its not something thats happened but seems to be something you are hoping for .”

    As jon eloquently stated it moments ago: “a bit of fatalism from experience.”

    It is something that has happened in pretty much every game he’s played as a Knick and has kept him from being the player he was today. I am hoping he has eliminated the move from his arsenal, but I’ll believe it when I no longer see it.

    I think it is easier to play decent D than to play perfect O. Crawford was great on O today and it disguised his bad D. If Crawford played even half-decent Defense he could be a really good player.

    “This is an astoundingly negative thread considering the Knicks won.”

    It is true, this was a damned-if-you-do and damned-if-you-don’t game. If they had lost there would be no silver lining, and in winning they have simply avoided losing. Obviously if the Wolves weren’t the ’06 Celtics there would be more cause for excitement. I don’t think it is negative to point out the flaws of the team in the hopes that they are addressed before stronger competition comes to MSG.

  30. Paul

    (Trying this for the last time)

    Jesus guys. We just WON our first home opener in years now and I can count the number of positive posts with Gerald Green’s right hand. For the most part, I’d say our defense was pretty good(except for that fog of war they seem to enter when they go behind the screen), we had excellent aggressiveness getting to the basket,

  31. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    Paul – that’s most likely a connection issue, not a spam issue. Spam will either mark the entire msg as spam and not show it, or allow it to be posted in it’s entirety. I would check my browser, connection, reboot PC, etc.

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