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		<title>By: DS</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-game-thread-sixers-at-knicks/#comment-212133</link>
		<dc:creator>DS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would you let Nate go?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you let Nate go?</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-game-thread-sixers-at-knicks/#comment-212132</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[edit - Take Lee&#039;s first three years performance over Pippen&#039;s first three years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>edit &#8211; Take Lee&#8217;s first three years performance over Pippen&#8217;s first three years.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-game-thread-sixers-at-knicks/#comment-212131</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Is everything boiled down to TSP with you Owen?&quot; 

No, of course not. But if you are looking just at a player&#039;s scoring ability, which is what we have been discussing here, then yes, scoring volume and ts% are most of what matter. 

I don&#039;t know who Sly Williams was, before my time, but if his ts% was 10% below Lee&#039;s, I think it&#039;s safe to say the two don&#039;t have much in common. 

But also re scoring, I tend to think that a players impact on possession, i.e. the net of his turnovers, steals, and rebounds, is just as important as his scoring, if not more so. 

I don&#039;t recall saying Lee was better than Jordan or KG. I think Jordan was the best player of the modern era, except for possibly Magic, and that KG has been the best player of this millenium so far.  I didn&#039;t say Lee was better than Pippen. I said I thought he might be capable of being the second banana on a championship team in a few years, though not the second banana on the best team of all time. However, I would certainly take Lee&#039;s career to date over Pippen&#039;s. And I said he was better last year than Horace Grant ever was. No backpedaling on that one. 

As a Knicks fan, we don&#039;t have a lot to look forward to for the next 2.5 years. But if we can get Lee and Balkman signed to reasonable contracts, then acquire a genuine superstar in 2010, things might improve rapidly. That&#039;s my hope. Lee is part of the story, not the whole story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is everything boiled down to TSP with you Owen?&#8221; </p>
<p>No, of course not. But if you are looking just at a player&#8217;s scoring ability, which is what we have been discussing here, then yes, scoring volume and ts% are most of what matter. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who Sly Williams was, before my time, but if his ts% was 10% below Lee&#8217;s, I think it&#8217;s safe to say the two don&#8217;t have much in common. </p>
<p>But also re scoring, I tend to think that a players impact on possession, i.e. the net of his turnovers, steals, and rebounds, is just as important as his scoring, if not more so. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall saying Lee was better than Jordan or KG. I think Jordan was the best player of the modern era, except for possibly Magic, and that KG has been the best player of this millenium so far.  I didn&#8217;t say Lee was better than Pippen. I said I thought he might be capable of being the second banana on a championship team in a few years, though not the second banana on the best team of all time. However, I would certainly take Lee&#8217;s career to date over Pippen&#8217;s. And I said he was better last year than Horace Grant ever was. No backpedaling on that one. </p>
<p>As a Knicks fan, we don&#8217;t have a lot to look forward to for the next 2.5 years. But if we can get Lee and Balkman signed to reasonable contracts, then acquire a genuine superstar in 2010, things might improve rapidly. That&#8217;s my hope. Lee is part of the story, not the whole story.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-game-thread-sixers-at-knicks/#comment-212120</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is everything boiled down to TSP with you Owen?  Do you watch games or have any frame of reference for anythign that happened before say the year 2000?  I assume when you checked on Sly Wiliiima&#039;s him the nickname &quot;garbage man&quot; was there?  It&#039;s hard to read anything from you seriously when it&#039;s so one dimensional.  Next you&#039;ll point out that Michael Jordan&#039;s career high in TSP was.614 and his career average was .569 and imply that David Lee was better than him as well, like you already tried with KG and Horace Grant and Pippen until you backpedaled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is everything boiled down to TSP with you Owen?  Do you watch games or have any frame of reference for anythign that happened before say the year 2000?  I assume when you checked on Sly Wiliiima&#8217;s him the nickname &#8220;garbage man&#8221; was there?  It&#8217;s hard to read anything from you seriously when it&#8217;s so one dimensional.  Next you&#8217;ll point out that Michael Jordan&#8217;s career high in TSP was.614 and his career average was .569 and imply that David Lee was better than him as well, like you already tried with KG and Horace Grant and Pippen until you backpedaled.</p>
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		<title>By: Roshi</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-game-thread-sixers-at-knicks/#comment-212118</link>
		<dc:creator>Roshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how anyone can compare David West to David Lee.  Giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying that David Lee could get 18 pts 11 boards roughly given the PT that West gets, there is still one glaring fact.

David West has a varied repertoire of offensive moves, both in the post and facing the basket, that put pressure on the defense, opening opportunities for other guys.  David Lee gets all his points on put backs and quick interior passes.  Rarely does he make a solid back to the basket move or hit an open shot.

Simply put, David West can create offense, whereas David Lee takes what he&#039;s given.  Until David Lee develops a viable offensive game, they shouldn&#039;t even be in the same category of player.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how anyone can compare David West to David Lee.  Giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying that David Lee could get 18 pts 11 boards roughly given the PT that West gets, there is still one glaring fact.</p>
<p>David West has a varied repertoire of offensive moves, both in the post and facing the basket, that put pressure on the defense, opening opportunities for other guys.  David Lee gets all his points on put backs and quick interior passes.  Rarely does he make a solid back to the basket move or hit an open shot.</p>
<p>Simply put, David West can create offense, whereas David Lee takes what he&#8217;s given.  Until David Lee develops a viable offensive game, they shouldn&#8217;t even be in the same category of player.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-game-thread-sixers-at-knicks/#comment-212116</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick - Sly Williams had a career ts% of 52%. What does he have to do with David Lee?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; Sly Williams had a career ts% of 52%. What does he have to do with David Lee?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-game-thread-sixers-at-knicks/#comment-212104</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know how he can be a good scorer if he can barely generate his own offense. Lee&#039;s a good &quot;garbage man.&quot;  The Sly Williams for the new millenium.  A team of Lee-like players might have a high TSP for the 25 times a game they get a shot off without a 24 second violation.  He&#039;s just a very high end role player as you say and it&#039;s maddening when he&#039;s described as anything more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how he can be a good scorer if he can barely generate his own offense. Lee&#8217;s a good &#8220;garbage man.&#8221;  The Sly Williams for the new millenium.  A team of Lee-like players might have a high TSP for the 25 times a game they get a shot off without a 24 second violation.  He&#8217;s just a very high end role player as you say and it&#8217;s maddening when he&#8217;s described as anything more.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-game-thread-sixers-at-knicks/#comment-212103</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick - David Lee is a good scorer. He was the most efficient frontcourt scorer in the NBA last year, while scoring at about an average rate for the power forward position. 

There are a lot of guys in the NBA who get their points mostly through putbacks, transition buckets, and garbabe opportunities. Lee is the best of the bunch. 

I agree with Thomas. We have the role players on the  Knicks, we need a superstar to go with them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; David Lee is a good scorer. He was the most efficient frontcourt scorer in the NBA last year, while scoring at about an average rate for the power forward position. </p>
<p>There are a lot of guys in the NBA who get their points mostly through putbacks, transition buckets, and garbabe opportunities. Lee is the best of the bunch. </p>
<p>I agree with Thomas. We have the role players on the  Knicks, we need a superstar to go with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2008-game-thread-sixers-at-knicks/#comment-212101</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Efficient scorer does not necessarily = good scorer or even good offensive player that&#039;s all.  Are you implying that everyone should shoot only three foot shots?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Efficient scorer does not necessarily = good scorer or even good offensive player that&#8217;s all.  Are you implying that everyone should shoot only three foot shots?</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick -  You have to look at points scored as well as ts%. No one is billing Lee as an offensive superpower. He is a highly efficient, highly effective low usage player. He scores at about an average rate for his position, while being one of the most efficient scorers. And he is one of the best rebounders. What more do you want?

I think its great that David West hits 42% of his jumpers. But the bottom line is that his ts% at 52.8%, is just about league average. It&#039;s probably helpful in the context of the New Orleans offense that he can score, but the stars of that team are Chandler and Paul.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211;  You have to look at points scored as well as ts%. No one is billing Lee as an offensive superpower. He is a highly efficient, highly effective low usage player. He scores at about an average rate for his position, while being one of the most efficient scorers. And he is one of the best rebounders. What more do you want?</p>
<p>I think its great that David West hits 42% of his jumpers. But the bottom line is that his ts% at 52.8%, is just about league average. It&#8217;s probably helpful in the context of the New Orleans offense that he can score, but the stars of that team are Chandler and Paul.</p>
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