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Tuesday, September 2, 2014

2008-9 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Spurs

Let’s see if the Knicks can keep the momentum rolling…

57 comments on “2008-9 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Spurs

  1. Owen Post author

    Maybe it’s just me, but I love the way the beard looks on Pop…

    Meanwhile, in your Renaldo Balkman update, he has played one of best quarters I can remember in a long time from a guy was recently on the cusp of being waived, 10 points on 5-6 shooting with a board, steal, and turnover in 12 minutes, and he looks great….

  2. o_boogie

    “Meanwhile, in your Renaldo Balkman update, he has played one of best quarters I can remember in a long time from a guy was recently on the cusp of being waived, 10 points on 5-6 shooting with a board, steal, and turnover in 12 minutes, and he looks great…”

    Lot easier to get looks when you got a stud like Chauncey setting you up and Carmelo drawing double teams. Ill take Chandler all day.

  3. Owen Post author

    Yeah, well, he scored all 5 buckets with them on the bench. I still think its going to be interesting to see who works out better.

    Meanwhile, David Lee has a bone spur in his ankle. Its so wierd my ankle has been hurting a ton lately. Bizarre….

    Just kidding…

  4. KnicksFan420

    I hope the team doesnt dissapoint, tim duncan is still playing.. and im sure pop still hates us.
    i hope they compete, maybe they pull out a solid win tonite.. 1st back to back is tomo and we all the know the history of this team in that regard…

  5. blackriderx

    Yeah, well, he scored all 5 buckets with them on the bench.

    In that case, the other standby, that’s how bad the opposing teams second unit is.

    Just kidding, of course, as I ain’t watching the game.

  6. T-Mart

    I sucked it up and finally bought NBA league pass. 189 bucks, ouch. And good grief, what an ugly game so far.

  7. TDM

    This two-game road trip against beatable teams should be a good litmus test to see if this team is different from last season, especially the second half of the back-to-back. Did they really start Q again?

  8. Z

    I was planning on visiting this site to give a Balkman update. Looks like Owen beat me to it. I’ll add to his:

    Balkman just hit two free throws! (as part of a 19 point swing– typical Renaldo).

  9. Kikuchiyo

    Wow. When did the Spurs become the 2007-2008 Knicks? It’s just one heinous jumper after another. (Except for, of course, that HOF guy knocking down everything he puts up.)

  10. BigBlueAL

    So Mardy Collins checks in and in 2 minutes throws an air-ball on a floater and allows Michael Finley to score 5 points. Nice job….

  11. BigBlueAL

    I sucked it up and finally bought NBA league pass. 189 bucks, ouch. And good grief, what an ugly game so far.

    Man, if you wouldve ordered it before Nov 4th it wouldve “only” been 169 bucks which is what I paid for it.

  12. cwod

    It’s nice to see Crawford attacking the hoop on the last two possessions. Too bad he has nothing to show for it.

  13. cwod

    Two terrible calls so far: Nate’s potential four-point play wiped out, and then Duncan just converted a three-point play on what should have been an offensive foul. Oh well.

  14. o_boogie

    “o_boogie, renaldo would dunk on your head too”

    im pretty sure he would go all vince carter and hurdle me like freddy weis.

  15. Owen Post author

    Alright, back, this looks like it could be interesting, that was a really disappointing end to the quarter….

  16. BigBlueAL

    The Spurs are pulling away w/o Duncan on the floor as the Knicks offense looks like Isiah is still coaching it, all one-on-one play with prayer jumpers being launched in people’s faces. BTW I thought Roberson was supposed to be a good shooter….

  17. BigBlueAL

    This is brutal, I shouldn’t have left the bar….

    I shouldn’t have actually thought this team could win this game and make people believe they could actually be on to something….

  18. Owen Post author

    When Bowen is going off on you it’s probably not going to be your night…

    Lee seems to be back in form, but this was a winnable game, and it looks to have gotten away from us….

  19. Max

    Give this to the guys…they’re shooting wretchedly, their rotations have been dreadful, the frontline is horribly overmatched…but they keep playing, keep trying.

  20. cwod

    Also, I guess this is why Crawford doesn’t drive more? He can’t finish at all. He has blown like 4-5 layups this game.

  21. BigBlueAL

    Also, I guess this is why Crawford doesn’t drive more? He can’t finish at all. He has blown like 4-5 layups this game.

    I believe John Hollinger wrote that Crawford had one of, if not the worse shooting % on shots around the basket with Nate Robinson not far behind.

  22. BigBlueAL

    Sorry for all he negativity from me tonight. Its just that I am so damn desperate to want to believe in this team and to see a Knicks team compete for just a freakin playoff spot and I really thought tonight shouldve been a fairly easy win, which is not something you couldve said for the Knicks in the past couple of years thinking a road game should be a victory.

    I have praised Coach D’Antoni before and am thrilled that the Knicks finally have a competent coach and President/GM running the team now. Tonight just proved what Coach D said after the Utah game, calm down about punching any playoff tickets yet. The Knicks most likely will win 30-35 games this season, but at least so far they have gotten some of us to believe in a possible playoff birth this season and gotten us somewhat excited about this season….

  23. Gian Casimiro (SSoM)

    There’s a bigger reason why they lost but this fourth quarter exposed the low basketball IQ. The Spurs weren’t allowing them to pick up the pace so they should’ve been running high pick and rolls with Crawford and Randolph on each possession down the stretch. In a game like this, you adjust and make your best scorer make the decisions and force the defense to double off the screen. See: Nash and Stoudemire closing out games.

  24. BigBlueAL

    There’s a bigger reason why they lost but this fourth quarter exposed the low basketball IQ. The Spurs weren’t allowing them to pick up the pace so they should’ve been running high pick and rolls with Crawford and Randolph on each possession down the stretch. In a game like this, you adjust and make your best scorer make the decisions and force the defense to double off the screen. See: Nash and Stoudemire closing out games.

    Unfortunately, Crawford and Zach arent Nash and Stoudemire. But you are 100% correct about the basketball IQ on this team, which is something D’Antoni has mentioned alot so far is learning how to win and not make the stupid mistake.

  25. Gian Casimiro (SSoM)

    Unfortunately, Crawford and Zach arent Nash and Stoudemire.

    That’s irrelevant. You roll with you have. It’s not like they were playing the Celtics. This was a winnable game throughout and they didn’t get Crawford – their only hot hand – the ball down the stretch.

  26. Nick C.

    Well the baloon popped. To fisichsh up ont he Renaldo Balkman report he wound up w/ 15 on 6/9, 7 rebounds, an assist 2 steals 3/4 from the line and 1 TO. Just to show that other things also don’t change 6 fouls in 28 minutes. And in perhaps unrelated info Charlotte’s matching F off the bench matching Adam Morrison had 16 pts on 5-11 shooting w/ 3 TO.

  27. KJG

    As bad as the Knicks played at points and all else aside, they could have been right there at the end if they hadn’t missed so many easy 1-2ft’ers… Crawford hits 26ft bombs and can’t hit the easy finger roll…it happened too much…whatever…see what happens tonite

  28. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger)

    “Meanwhile, in your Renaldo Balkman update, he has played one of best quarters I can remember in a long time from a guy was recently on the cusp of being waived, 10 points on 5-6 shooting with a board, steal, and turnover in 12 minutes, and he looks great…”

    Lot easier to get looks when you got a stud like Chauncey setting you up and Carmelo drawing double teams. Ill take Chandler all day.

    You’re right Balkman is only good because of the studs on his team. The great Anthony Carter assisted him on 4 of his baskets.

  29. njhoop

    As bad as the Knicks were in the 4th quarter, let’s give the Spurs a little bit of credit here. They were desperate for a home win, and it showed in their defensive work. Did you see Bowen chasing Crawford all the way out to midcourt (without the ball)? A team with him and Duncan will always compete and not give up easy baskets. Not making excuses, we should have found a way to win that game, but part of the reason Nate and Zach had such horrible shooting nights was most of their shots were contested. That’s why Popovich is a HOF coach, his teams will always compete and play in your face D.

    BTW, for all you Duhon haters, watch him closely on the defensive end. He fights through every screen, and never allows his man to back cut or free himself for a shot. I think that’s why D’Antoni likes him so much.

  30. Frank O.

    Ah, terra firma.
    A critically wounded team, a little winning streak, a couple of hot hands…and the Knicks let it slip away. How familiar.
    Zach is the foundation of this team, sadly. If he’s off, the Knicks don’t stand a chance. He was 7-18 with one assist. You miss that many shots, you’re going to kill your team.
    I think the basketball IQ comment earlier was particularly astute. They should have been running Duncan ragged. But you can’t do that if one of your top guys is a black hole. Zach can’t and won’t pass. He’s reverted back to form.

    And Q?
    I’m sorry…Why is this guy even playing?

  31. Frank O.

    Mike:
    I agree. It has been said on this blog that Balkman and Lee would be great role players on good teams. But they could not be effective focal point players.

  32. Frank O.

    I also think it was a huge defensive mismatch to put Zach on Duncan most of the night.
    Come on. I think that one is on D’Antoni. Zach not only gives up size, skill and energy to Duncan. He also can’t jump.

  33. Owen

    Frank O – I believe Mike was using a French conversational technique called “sarcasm.” The tip off for me would be the use of the adjective “great” in association with Anthony Carter.

    It’s going to be a challenge tonight. Back to back, overnight travel, and a hungry Memphis team that is sixth in the league in defensive efficiency. Marc Gasol is looking at our frontline and licking his chops. But I am predicting victory. I have a good feeling about this one.

  34. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger)

    Mike:
    I agree. It has been said on this blog that Balkman and Lee would be great role players on good teams. But they could not be effective focal point players.

    I find it ironic Balkman’s good stats were only due to having two great players on his team. Even if that were true, isn’t that the kind of player you want to keep around for when you have good players?

  35. TDM

    Whats up Danillo and the MRI thing??

    D’Antoni is now saying that Gallo may have to shut it down for the year.

  36. Italian Stallion
    Whats up Danillo and the MRI thing??

    D’Antoni is now saying that Gallo may have to shut it down for the year.

    Well, it looks like we blew another one. Not that it really matters all that much. We aren’t going anywhere anyway. If he is any good eventually, we’ll get a better draft pick without him this year. If he loses a year after surgery or something, but comes back 100%, there’s really no downside other than the anticipation and year of experience. He’s very young.

  37. Ted Nelson

    Frank O.,

    Zach Randolph may be the Knicks’ focal point right now, but he probably shouldn’t be. I’ve never seen anything quantifying the variability of a player’s performance from game to game, but I have a feeling that guys like Zach and Jamal suck coaches in with an incredible night every 5th-10th game and otherwise stink.
    I feel that the Knicks would be better served spreading the wealth and not “featuring” anyone–just moving the ball to find the best shot to take advantage of their depth of solid scorers–but probably lack the basketball IQ to do this against a decent defensive effort. Combine this with how much having a truly great scoring option helps you against a good defense, and I think they should move their crap players ASAP (deadline or offseason?).
    I agree it’s a mismatch, but who else on the roster do you want guarding Duncan? Zach at least has the bulk to not get run over, even Andrew Bogut made “Bonespurs” Lee look like a traffic cone.

    Balkman and Lee are good to great role players on any team, it’s just that on the Knicks the “featured” offensive options stink.
    It seems completely illogical to me to say that you have to start building with a franchise player(s) and then fill in role players around him/them.
    Look at Joe D’s original blueprint in Detroit, circa 2001-2002 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2002.html). No one you would consider even close to a “true” franchise player (a bunch of smart vets and strong role players, though), and they were still the 8th defense and 12th offense in the NBA and a 50 win, 2nd round playoff team. The next season he adds Billups, Hamilton, Prince, and Okur while getting rid of Stackhouse and other lesser (Rodney White, etc.) high-usage/low-efficiency players and the rest is history.

    If you have a logical argument for needing a real franchise player to employ good role players, honestly tell me because I really can’t see it.

  38. njhoop

    Marc Gasol is looking at our frontline and licking his chops.

    I think he looks at our frontline and sees a big steaming bowl of paella.

  39. Ted Nelson

    Marc Gasol is looking at our frontline and licking his chops.
    I think he looks at our frontline and sees a big steaming bowl of paella.

    Unfortunately half the Knicks’ frontline looks at the basketball and wishes it was a big steaming bowl of paella…

  40. Frank O.
    Mike:
    I agree. It has been said on this blog that Balkman and Lee would be great role players on good teams. But they could not be effective focal point players.

    I find it ironic Balkman’s good stats were only due to having two great players on his team. Even if that were true, isn’t that the kind of player you want to keep around for when you have good players?

    My comment was not so much a knock on Balkman as it was an acknowledgment that he will do better where he is. I wasn’t a big fan of the Knicks giving him up for what boiled down to a second round pick in 2010. Having said that, he’s had two good games after several very modest performances…which to me was his MO with the Knicks.
    He’d look great one night and then not so much.
    And he’s shooting 47 percent from the charity stripe.
    Maybe it’s to hard on him to say he’s inconsistent and undisciplined.
    Would he have been better than Q? I could easily be convinced of that.

  41. Frank O.

    Frank O.,
    Zach Randolph may be the Knicks’ focal point right now, but he probably shouldn’t be. I’ve never seen anything quantifying the variability of a player’s performance from game to game, but I have a feeling that guys like Zach and Jamal suck coaches in with an incredible night every 5th-10th game and otherwise stink.
    I feel that the Knicks would be better served spreading the wealth and not “featuring” anyone–just moving the ball to find the best shot to take advantage of their depth of solid scorers–but probably lack the basketball IQ to do this against a decent defensive effort. Combine this with how much having a truly great scoring option helps you against a good defense, and I think they should move their crap players ASAP (deadline or offseason?).
    I agree it’s a mismatch, but who else on the roster do you want guarding Duncan? Zach at least has the bulk to not get run over, even Andrew Bogut made “Bonespurs” Lee look like a traffic cone.
    Balkman and Lee are good to great role players on any team, it’s just that on the Knicks the “featured” offensive options stink.
    It seems completely illogical to me to say that you have to start building with a franchise player(s) and then fill in role players around him/them.
    Look at Joe D’s original blueprint in Detroit, circa 2001-2002 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2002.html). No one you would consider even close to a “true” franchise player (a bunch of smart vets and strong role players, though), and they were still the 8th defense and 12th offense in the NBA and a 50 win, 2nd round playoff team. The next season he adds Billups, Hamilton, Prince, and Okur while getting rid of Stackhouse and other lesser (Rodney White, etc.) high-usage/low-efficiency players and the rest is history.
    If you have a logical argument for needing a real franchise player to employ good role players, honestly tell me because I really can’t see it.

    I agree with your first comments about Zach.

    On the issue of putting Zach on Duncan:
    I mulled this for a while. I thought first of maybe putting Rose on Duncan, but I’m not sure he would do much better and his offense is terrible.
    Then I reread your note and it became obvious that if the Knicks had simply run their offense aggressively, pushed the ball, passed effectively, they would have had Duncan exhausted by half time. But they lacked the discipline and IQ to do so.

    Because the Knicks still are lacking defensively, the D’Antoni maxim of “the team that scores the most points had the best defense,” should govern their approach.

    That means the Knicks unfortunately still are dependent on Zach and Crawford.

    On Lee and Balkman, I appear to have created the impression – probably because of my poorly constructed comment – that I don’t like Balkman. Last year I was arguing that the Knicks should have been starting him over Q. Run the young guys out there and let them learn and develop.

    I still think he probably is a better option than Q at SF.

    I’m not convinced, however, that Balkman has become a great role player, or that he has even yet achieved the level of a very good role player. I think the jury is still out.

  42. jon abbey

    if Gallinari is out for the year, that’s unfortunate, but we didn’t expect much from him this year anyway, hopefully he’s back to 100 percent for next year.

    also, it’s obviously way way too early to say he’s a bust, and all of the guys I really liked went top 5, but it is funny to note that there’s absolutely no way Isiah would have picked Gallinari, if it was his pick (IMO, of course).

  43. Ray

    Gallo out for the year…thats horrible. Im having visions of DJ Augustine right now. I really wanted to see the kid out there playing . Very sad.

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