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Tuesday, September 2, 2014

2008-9 Game Thread: Knicks vs Cavaliers

Okay, so the trade was completed (thank goodness), but it looks like Mobley will not be in the starting lineup tonight.

Someone in the previous thread linked to cavfanatic.com. Wow, was kind of sad to read. I feel bad for those fans – they’re quite angry at all the attention the whole “Lebron to NY in 2010″ thing is getting, and I suppose I can’t blame them.

Then again, I’m a Yankee fan and I remember 2007 and “A-Rod is leaving!” Heck, I had to go through “A-Rod actually opted out of his contract!” So I feel their pain. That said, they are awfully defensive over there (mid-market teams tend to be that way, because the media usually talks more about the coastal teams), and reading their thoughts about tonight’s game are pretty funny.

Here’s Thomas B.’s look at tonight’s game:

Tuesday, November 25 – Cleveland

TEAM POSS EFF eFG TO OREB% FT/FG
New York Knicks-Offense 98.4 106 50.1 14.5 21.8 19.3
Rank
1
14
11
6
29
28
Cleveland Cavaliers-Defense 88.8 104.8 46.8 16.6 28.1 26.4
Rank
26
12
8
11
20
24
New York Knicks-Defense 98.4 107.4 50.9 15.2 28.6 19.1
Rank
1
21
27
21
24
3
Cleveland Cavaliers-Offense 88.8 114 51.8 15 29.4 28.4
Rank
26
1
2
11
7
3

[First meeting of the teams this year.]

This will be the third straight Tuesday on which the Knicks meet one of last year’s playoff teams (Spurs and Boston previously). The Cavs went 9-1 over the last 10 games and look to be clicking. Conversely, the Knicks are going to work three new players into the rotation.

What to watch for: LBJ. Since the Knicks have the cap room to dream about Lebron, I think LBJ might start showing the garden crowd exactly what they could get on about July 24th 2010. That is if the price is right.

What to watch for 2: Of all the players brought in, I think Cutino Mobley can have the best immediate impact due to his defense. He and Duhon give the Knicks their strongest defensive backcourt since perhaps Derek Harper and John Starks. That’s a good thing, since the Cavs are 2nd in shooting (eFG%: 51.8%), and 1st on offense (OE: 114 pts/100poss). Much of this is due to strong backcourt play. Mo Williams and Delonte West are both shooting above 40% from behind the arc, with West’s 66.2 eFG% leading the team. The Knicks need to eliminate open shots by pressuring the ball and cutting off passing lanes. If Duhon and Mobley can pressure the backcourt, they could push Williams’ and West’s so-so assist ratios down, while bringing their slightly below average turnover ratios up.

48 comments on “2008-9 Game Thread: Knicks vs Cavaliers

  1. jon abbey

    1) no one should ever compare LeBron and A-Rod, and I’m a Yankee fan. please don’t argue with me on this, nothing is duller than A-Rod arguments at this point, but it had to be said.

    2) I actually think this whole thing could be good for Cleveland. I think the only way there’s a chance he stays is if they win a title this year or next (or both), and now the rest of the team is that much more motivated to try to keep him in town. Cleveland management has done very little to surround him with talent in his time there, and if he leaves, it’s management the fans should be mad at.

    3) the recent highlights I’ve seen from him are insane, it’s like he’s evolved past basketball or something.

    4) has anyone started making James-23-Knicks jerseys yet? I’ve never bought a jersey, but I might be down for one of those.

  2. Z

    “has anyone started making James-23-Knicks jerseys yet? I’ve never bought a jersey, but I might be down for one of those.”

    No, but you could buy a Jerome James #13 jersey and patch a 2 over the 1…

  3. cbrooklyn

    lebron is definitly a beast…but im still a knicks fan and i hope we bust cleveland a** tonight!…..just saying.

  4. Frank O.

    so far tonight, Crawford 0-2, and 0-2 from 3 pt,3 assists, and he’s exhibiting his best matador defense…
    So pleased he’s not with the knicks anymore.

  5. Frank O.

    so far tonight, Crawford 0-2, and 0-2 from 3 pt,3 assists, and he’s exhibiting his best matador defense…So pleased he’s not with the knicks anymore.

    then in no time,he hits a running duece and drains a 3. Jamal…

  6. TDM

    Ahhhh, Tim Thomas, the ugliest man in the NBA checks into the game with a Knicks jersey once again

    Seems fitting that his first act as a re-tread Knick is to shoot an errant 3 pointer. Klang!

  7. Frank O.

    typical…Q has one good night and he’s convinced he’s the best player on the knicks. starts the next game 1-7…

  8. BigBlueAL

    Hopefully Anthony Roberson is enough proof not to sign someone just because they looked good during Summer League.

  9. cbrooklyn

    damn..n8 is done…duhon playing like crap…steph in his armani and robeson looks high … And I still dont miss mardy collins!!!!

  10. nj hoop

    I have no idea what Harrington is doing, and neither does he. Taking it down the lane against 5 Cavs? He looks awful.

    As bad as we’re playing, I’ve gotta say, the Cavs play some ferocious D. That’s why they’ll be in the conference finals this year against the Celtics. Unfortunately, when our run and gun system meets great D (Boston, Cleveland) the great D prevails every time.

  11. caleb

    Just scanning the halftime box… Cleveland’s 4 centers (Ilgauskas, Wallace, Hickson & Varejao) have played a total of 43 minutes… shot 10-14 for 22 points, with 18 rebounds, 6 blocks, 3 assists, 2 turnovers and 3 fouls.

    I’d say that’s where we’re losing the game…

  12. caleb

    What is wrong with Al Harringtons head, why does it look so weird?

    It’s even wrinklier than Greg Oden…

  13. jon abbey

    /Users/jowtrauau/Desktop/lebron_knicks_a.jpg
    http://assets.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/lebron_knicks_a.jpg

    that’s a terrible composite pic of LeBron, is it even him? maybe when he was really young?

    Nate has a strained groin, at least nothing is torn, so hopefully not too long. I’d love to see him head to head with Crawford on Saturday, hopefully he’s back for that.

    so what’s the precise story about why Mobley isn’t in uniform yet, how is it that he can play every day in the league for years and somehow can’t pass NY’s physical in 3 days? I wouldn’t be happy if I’d bought a ticket for tonight.

  14. zen

    Hey guys,
    I`m a cav`s fan from Cleveland and please keep you`re hands off LBJ!
    Listening to all the talk out of NY about stealing James from us is like going out with a fox on saturday night and having every dude in town trying to hit on your lady!At least we can offer a lot more money to the “prize” than you all.lol!I think we do have a shot for the title this year and we are attempting to surround The King with some quality pieces we were missing last year. Cheers

  15. Z

    This game kind of reminded me of Marbury’s Knick debut back in 2004–

    For the first time in years the eyes of the sports world were on the Knicks, and just like that game in 2004 against the Rockets, the Knicks got their asses whooped. Sure, the expectation was higher with Marbury (unlike Harrington/Thomas/Mobley, he was acquired to actually single-handedly save the franchise); however, with the media attention, and the buzz, and the notion that the ship is being righted surrounding this game, the result was the same– a total embarrassment.

    It would have been nice to have shown LeBron that this team is less than 9 years away from competing for a championship…

  16. Ted Nelson

    Zen, I’m not sure signing a free agent can be considered stealing. At the same time it’s not like Knicks fans are making this stuff up.

    “You have to stay open-minded if you’re a Knicks fan,” James said before delivering his parting words. “If you guys want to sleep right now and don’t wake up until July 1, 2010, then go ahead. It’s going to be a big day.”

    —————————————————-

    James was asked flat-out before the game whether he’d like to play for the Knicks some day, and he avoided a direct answer.

    “To bring that type of a distraction to our team right now would be unfair to my team, my teammates, the coaching staff and the rest of the organization,” he said.

    … Most any player who was not seriously considering it would just say “NO”

  17. njhoop

    2 questions for the forum:

    If you put LeBron with today’s Knicks, how many games do you think they’d win and how far would they get in the playoffs? There’s no doubt Cleveland’s current supporting cast is better than ours, but I still think they’d win 50-55 games and make the EC finals.

    Are our chances of landing LeBron better or worse if he wins an NBA title in the next 2 years (which BTW I think is very feasible) One school of thought says better, as it’s mission accomplished in his home state and now he moves on. The other says he goes for multiple titles a la Jordan and stays put.

    THoughts?

  18. Gian Casimiro (SSoM)

    Nate Robinson’s injury is obviously a blow and leaves the team even thinner at the 2. Reports say that Mobley will continue to sit out as more tests are ran, as well. Richardson started the second half at the 2 in Nate’s absence so we can expect that tonight against the Pistons. But, of course, that brings us back to Marbury because all things regarding the Knicks must come back to him.

  19. Thomas B.

    Hey guys,
    I`m a cav`s fan from Cleveland and please keep you`re hands off LBJ!
    Listening to all the talk out of NY about stealing James from us is like going out with a fox on saturday night and having every dude in town trying to hit on your lady!

    If you love something, let it go. If it does not return to you, then it was not meant to be.

    Or

    Don’t hate the players, hate the game.

  20. Italian Stallion

    IMO, we are clearly the worst team in the east. It’s going to be tough for me to even find a reason to watch the games. I was looking forward to some combination of competitive basketball and watching some of our young players develop, but we are going to be less competitive now after the trades and there’s not much development to watch.

    1. Lee hasn’t shown enough improvment this season for me to believe he’s ever going to be one of the 3 key players on the team. He’s a bit more willing to take (and hit) an outside shot, but he’s still limited offensively, marginal defensively, and IMO will end up being either a solid role player or top notch 6th man type. I don’t think there’s much more upside.

    2. Gallinari is out of action. So I can’t get enthusiastic about watching his development.

    3. Robinson is a terrific “off the bench” spark plug, but that’s as far as he’s going to get.

    4. IMO, Chandler has the overall talent to develop into a key player, but it’s going to take time for him to improve his shot selection and consistency. Watching him and hoping he develops is about the only reason I can find to watch this team now. Even that gets a bit frustrating because even though he’s very good most nights, he has some really dreadful nights mixed in where he can’t hit a shot at all and is taking tons of them.

  21. jon abbey

    don’t take too much from last night, Cleveland is one of the best three teams in the league. if we’re at full strength (not counting Gallinari), meaning Mobley, Nate, Jeffries are all good to go, we’re about as good as before the deals, once everyone gets settled into their new roles. teams with quality height should crush us, but everyone else we should be somewhat competitive with.

  22. Z

    I agree with jon. I think that our record when all is said and done will be at least as good as, if not better than, our record would have been had Jamal and Randolph stayed.

    But that record is still going to be pretty bad, which should get us one last lottery pick before the Summer of LeBron…

  23. Italian Stallion

    I’m not putting much weight on last night’s game because I do realize they were a player short, haven’t practiced much together, and were playing a very good team. I just think we got off to a good start because the schedule was weak. Now, IMO, we took a small step backwards in both these trades. So my expectations are very low at this point. Like I said before, I wouldn’t even mind that much because I get a lot of pleasure from watching young talent develop. I just don’t see much of it on the Knicks at this point other than Chandler and Gallinari (and the latter is an enigma).

  24. jon abbey

    the real problem with the team right now is that it’s a guard-driven system and we’re quite thin at guard right now without Mobley and Nate. tonight’s going to be ugly.

  25. caleb

    Lee hasn’t shown enough improvment this season for me to believe he’s ever going to be one of the 3 key players on the team.

    Just curious – who is more of a key player on the team right now?

  26. Ted Nelson

    IS,

    You make ludicrous statements on a regular basis and then personally insult my character for disagreeing with you? Fuck you.

  27. jon abbey

    dunno if it’s the same thing as he’s saying, but I do think there are serious questions at this point about whether Lee can be the third best player on a championship-level team. on the other hand, LeBron makes everyone around him look pretty damn good.

    Cleveland up 56-23 right now on the former Sonics right now, they’re on a mission now if they weren’t before. go Celtics! (hard to even type without vomiting a little)

  28. Caleb

    I do think there are serious questions at this point about whether Lee can be the third best player on a championship-level team

    That’s not quite the same as “one of the three key players on the team.”

    It HAS been a disappointing year for Lee-watchers, but I think that just says a lot about our epectations. In 30 minutes a game, playing out of position, he’s still averaging 12 points and 8 boards on 55 percent shooting (57% TS). As a full-time starter that would be 15 & 10.

    But it doesn’t look like his impact on defense is changing – for me, that’s the biggest disappointment.

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