Knicks Morning News (2018.10.29)

  • [NYDN] SEE IT: Rasheed Wallace brings the heat to Knicks practice, mentors rookie Mitchell Robinson
    (Sunday, October 28, 2018 2:10:00 PM)

    Rasheed Wallace was never one to suppress his voice.

    Not to the opponent. Not to the referees. And apparently not as a guest coach of the Knicks.

    The 44-year-old was, by far, the loudest in the gym as he led the Knicks’ big men through drills at Sunday’s practice. Invited by GM Scott Perry — who…

  • [FOXsports] Knicks host Nets in Brooklyn-New York battle
    (Monday, October 29, 2018 1:02:09 AM)

    Knicks host Nets in Brooklyn-New York battle

  • [NYPost] David Fizdale’s Knicks mission is bigger than anyone’s ego
    (Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:38:18 PM)

    David Fizdale was in Miami, making the playoffs nearly every season — and collecting two championship rings — while “The Process” played out in Philadelphia. From afar, the former Heat assistant saw the 76ers endure five straight losing seasons, with three sub-20 win years, under coach Brett Brown. So, a five-game losing streak entering Monday’s…

  • [NYPost] Knicks bring in expert to get Mitchell Robinson fired up
    (Sunday, October 28, 2018 4:55:53 PM)

    In 16 NBA seasons, Rasheed Wallace was consistently the loudest voice in any building. While becoming a four-time All-Star and the league’s all-time leader in technical fouls, Wallace’s personality was even more dominant than his play. On Sunday, coach David Fizdale invited Wallace — who played the final 21 games of his career with the…

  • [NYTimes] Cleveland Cavaliers Abruptly Fire Coach Tyronn Lue
    (Sunday, October 28, 2018 7:16:22 PM)

    The firing comes as a surprise, despite Cleveland’s 0-6 start to the season, because expectations were low after LeBron James left the team in free agency this summer.

  • 96 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.10.29)”

    2 things I hope Sheed taught MitchRob:
    1. How to do “The Sheed”
    2. BALL DON’T LIE!

    It impresses me that Fizdale is both willing and able to bring in great former players to do some coaching. School is in session.

    Ugh, I’m so sorry Bruno. This must be like how we felt on 11/7 times ten. I can’t believe I have to say this in this context but please stay safe.

    Liberalism and conservative morals have been intertwined in Brasil for a long time, which is a weird pair that’s very peculiar to Latin American countries

    Good point Bruno. Latin America has a strain of economic liberalism/social conservatism that is pretty unusual in the States. My friend’s mother is a big Lula supporter (she would have voted for him in his jail cell if he’d been allowed to run) who switched to Bolsonaro as soon as Lula was disqualified. Why? Because she’s religious and Bolsonaro has promised to force Brazilian schools to stop teaching that homosexuality is OK.

    Like, what? Of all Brazil’s problems, that’s the issue that causes you to switch parties and support a neo-fascist?

    I know nothing about Brazilian politics and am defending no one, but I find it curious that Bolsonaro is being classified as a right wing extremist when he basically won in a landslide. This isn’t a case of an extreme right wing party winning slightly more votes than any other party and then forming an alliance with more moderate parties to form a government. By definition, “extremist” means you have a minority position. This guy cleaned everyone else’s clock. Regardless of what his politics are, he’s not an extremist in Brazil if he won in a landslide. Perhaps he’s an extremist relative to the far left wing in his own country and in the US media, but it sounds like whatever he is, for better or worse, he’s a mainstream Brazilian.

    Google is your fucking friend.

    “I wouldn’t rape you because you don’t deserve it.”

    “I visited a quilombo and the least heavy afro-descendant weighed seven arrobas (approximately 230 pounds). They do nothing! They are not even good for procreation.”

    “I would be incapable of loving a homosexual son.”

    Bolsonaro went onto add he would rather his son “died in an accident than showed up with some bloke with a moustache.”

    “Elections won’t change anything in this country. It will only change on the day that we break out in civil war here and do the job that the military regime didn’t do: killing 30,000. If some innocent people die, that’s fine. In every war, innocent people die.”

    This took me all of 15 seconds to find, Strat.

    I came to the thread this morning hoping that, for once, we’d have unanimous agreement in that Bolsonaro is an irredeemable, indefensible piece of shit. Why did I think that was possible?

    @5

    Thanks tnfh. If you want to get into the linguistic technicalities of the word “extremist” then yeah, he’s a regular dude in Brasil.

    The problem with this is not that he somehow created homophobia or racism in Brazil, it has always been here, he just took advantage of a situation where two different groups got together around his candidacy: the bigots, which were always going to vote for him, and the regular dudes who aren’t 100% on board with the military talk etc but would vote for anyone who’s not PT.

    He was elected and nobody is questioning the results. The issue is not even so much what he will actually do, because there are institutions in place to keep most of the inhuman stuff out; the issue is that the percentage of his supporters that were already prone to violence and abuse will be empowered to continue and get even worse. The issue is that Brazilians validated his discourse as something that is “mainstream” in Brazil, even though 89 million people either voted for the other candidate or didn’t vote, against 57 million votes for him.

    I don’t think you guys realize how disgraceful the military regime was in Brazil, and how impactful it is for people like me to see the same ideas and practices make such a return.

    I have no interest whatsoever in Brazilian politics when the politics in my own country are turning a potentially great country into a shit hole..

    He doesn’t sound like a very good person. He sounds pretty terrible on some issues in fact. But I will admit I don’t trust a single word from a major media outlet in any country on earth. I only trust primary source documents and information I have researched on my own. I simply can’t. I am simply way beyond that naive stage.

    Every time I get interested enough in a subject to actually put that much effort and passion into it, I find that the media is either corrupt, incompetent, purposely spinning/lying, taking things out of context, being selective in what they report etc…

    If you ask me, I have a better chance of finding out what’s going on in the US or Brazil from Al Jazeera and Russia Times than any of the major news sources in the US. That’s not a compliment towards Russia Times and Al Jazeera. The thing is, at least I know those sources are actually extensions of governments and political parties with agendas. They even don’t pretend as hard to be news.

    I don’t know what’s going on in Brazil, but I’m pretty sure I’m not going to find out on the internet. I’d be willing to bet most Brazilians don’t know what is ACTUALLY going on in Brazil. They only know what they read. Ignorance is bliss.

    @8

    Dude, you can find videos of him saying every single one of those phrases himself. Is that enough of a “primary source” for you?

    Thanks tnfh. If you want to get into the linguistic technicalities of the word “extremist” then yeah, he’s a regular dude in Brasil.

    Which is the only point I was making and was very clear about that, but some people lack the capacity to comprehend.

    At first I couldn’t believe what I read.
    Do you really believe that “extremism” is related only with a “minority position”?
    So Hitler wasn’t an “extremist” because he was in the “majority position” (remember, he was elected too)?
    Okay, agreed, from now on we must call Uncle Adolf “a regular dude”…

    Dude, you can find videos of him saying every single one of those phrases himself. Is that enough of a “primary source” for you?

    You seem to be missing the point.

    I’ve read things Ghandi said that make him look like a terrible person, but unless I do a comprehensive primary source research on him so I know everything I’m never going to know the full picture what kind of man Ghandi was (both the good and bad).

    You are passionate about this because it’s your country and he’s expressing views you find particularly offensive (as do I), but to me, this is just another shit hole country with a shit hole government going down the tubes just like my own.

    “https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/extremism”
    “https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/extremist”

    but to me, this is just another shit hole country with a shit hole government going down the tubes just like my own

    Come on, man.

    At first I couldn’t believe what I read.
    Do you really believe that “extremism” is related only with a “minority position”?
    So Hitler wasn’t an “extremist” because he was in the “majority position” (remember, he was elected too)?
    Okay, agreed, from now on we must call Uncle Adolf “a regular dude”…

    Hitler WAS an extremist that came to power without a lot of support in his country. Germany was just so divided between the fascists, communists, and existing corrupt incompetents, he got enough votes to form the government and ultimately take power.

    When you get 56% or more of the vote you are not an extremist within your own country. If someone needs to be called out, it’s the Brazilian people. They elected a guy that reflects their mainstream views.

    Hitler was a very regular guy

    And you lack comprehension skills or an understanding of what happened in Germany compared to what just happened in Brazil.

    The problem with this is not that he somehow created homophobia or racism in Brazil, it has always been here, he just took advantage of a situation where two different groups got together around his candidacy: the bigots, which were always going to vote for him, and the regular dudes who aren’t 100% on board with the military talk etc but would vote for anyone who’s not PT.

    The important thing here is the distinction between a group with fascist ideology and a group with fascist ideology carrying a monopoly on violence. This is a guy who openly praises murderous dictators and human-rights abusers, and the majority of Brazilians just gave him the mandate to emulate his heroes.

    That’s extremism, no matter who or how many voted for him.

    Sorry Bruno, but I’m not going to get all hypersensitive about this election when virtually every large country on earth right now is on the precipice of serious economic chaos. It’s just that few here understand that (and especially why) because they read the news. I won’t believe anything I read or hear from the news. I am beyond that stage in my life. At 59 I know better.

    I won’t believe anything I read or hear from the news.

    Thread’s over. Let’s not continue down this road.

    Again, have you read the definition of “Extremist” that I linked?
    (English isn’t my native language, so to avoid errors I let the Oxford Dictionary help me)?

    It’s NOT related to numbers, it’s related to OPINIONS.

    Who the fuck cares about the numbers of the voters?
    He’s okay with killing people because they have different ideas, he despises and attacks LGBT and other minorities (with very violent words), he remembers fondly the times when Brazil was a military dictatorship, THAT makes him an extremist, not how many idiots voted for him!

    Sorry Jowles, I clicked a moment too soon 🙂

    You’re right, for me thread’s over.

    @19, But he’s not saying believe the ‘news’. He’s saying there are clips of the man saying it straight out. Not a report of it, but actual clips of him saying those things. Or are you saying you have to have seen him say it with your own ears and eyes?

    Liberalism and conservative morals have been intertwined in Brasil for a long time, which is a weird pair that’s very peculiar to Latin American countries

    Anecdotally, as I’m half Puerto Rican and have lots of P.R. friends and family, this mix isn’t unusual. You’re talking about religious, church going people, conservative in lifestyle but economically very liberal. Same with many black people here in the U.S.

    Strat, you’re a grown man and I’m sure you can take it, but you’re just going to get attacked for any kind of statement that doesn’t call Bolsonaro a racist Nazi. You spent many words describing what a scumbag he is, but that’s all neglected because you used a crazy thing called math and reason, questioning how you can be labeled an extremest if you get 56% of the vote – a pretty sensible thing to ask.

    I wanted to ask what you guys thought of trying to deal Hezonja to the Clips for Teodosic. The math works, both have 1 year left on their deals, we need someone who can dribble and pass and the Clips are a bit overloaded with guards. This would have to wait until 12/15.

    “This is a guy who openly praises murderous dictators and human-rights abusers…”

    Hey, that’s no way to talk about our president!

    …Oh, wait…

    Thread’s over. Let’s not continue down this road.

    I had no desire to go down this road to begin with. I just made a very simple point. When you get elected with a 56% or greater landslide that’s not extremism unless your own personal politics are far to the left of the mainstream of that country.

    I didn’t realize that simple mathematical assertion would turn me into a supporter of Hitler when I prefaced by saying I know nothing about the guy and don’t trust the media to tell the unspun truth.

    On the latter, I have decades of experience on you guys. On this subject, I KNOW you guys are the naive pups that have’t experienced enough. I won’t even debate it. I used to be you. I grew up.

    “This is a guy who openly praises murderous dictators and human-rights abusers…”

    Hey, that’s no way to talk about our president!

    And our prior president, and the president before him, and the president before that, and keep going all the way back to FDR.

    @22

    I know what I am dealing with here, but I trusted that a perfectly valid point about a landslide election would not be spun into me supporting someone I admitted I knew nothing about right from the start. I should have known better. With some people, it’s 100% my way with full support or you are the extremist to be attacked.

    Look, I won’t waste my time explaining all the intricacies of this shit hole country that I live in, but since we have democracy in Brazil, bolsonaro’s margin of victory was the 3rd smallest in the history of our elections. He got about 58 million votes, against 47 million for Haddad and about 42 million voters either didn’t vote or didn’t show up. It’s really far from this “landslide” victory you’re implying.

    And really, you have to be a special kind of piece of shit to assume everyone else is a “naive pup” that doesn’t have the divine knowledge you do. There’s no point even trying to have a conversation with you if that’s what you truly believe, so I won’t try. I don’t even get why a person that thinks like this would even bother with a message board of discussion, apart from the obvious mediocre narcissism that comes from this position.

    Looking forward to when I turn 59 and realize that fascism is fine as long as it’s technically elected (in an election in which its most popular opponent was a political prisoner) and that Phil Jackson was actually a good GM

    Right now there are only three candidates for ROY: Doncic, Young and Ayton. They’re so close in PPG (probably still the biggest impact on vote distribution) that I see it as a referendum on team success, MPG and maybe some big, ESPN-gushfest-worthy scoring games.

    If any of their teams make the playoffs with them as starters, I could see it swinging the vote. Clearly the best season so far has been Ayton’s. It’ll be interesting to see if he can keep it up. He just looks so fucking big and strong for a 20-year-old center. I liked him before the draft, but I expected him to look much more raw than he is right now.

    It’s early yet, but this year’s crop of rookies looks like the best in years.

    virtually every large country on earth right now is on the precipice of serious economic chaos

    The irony of this statement is that macroeconomic data is actually very strong. You’d only get this impression if you were reading the news every day.

    I actually sympathize with your anti-media sentiment. And I read your statements with actual comprehension so I know you didn’t say anything to defend Bolsanaro. But there are some faulty premises in your argument.

    For one, a man can espouse an extreme position and still win 55% of the vote. In this particular instance, the overwhelming sentiment in Brazil is that their government is corrupt and they didn’t want to elect anyone representative of it. So the majority voted for an extremist. That doesn’t mean the extremist isn’t extreme. His words and deeds make him extreme, not the election results.

    Unfortunately, we’ve now gotten to the point where people equate “being a cunt” to “being an outsider”.

    This is really what I was trying to say with the rookies in this class last spring. Ayton is such a physical freak with a polished offensive game there was virtually no way he wouldn’t be one of the best bigs in the game from the start (considering the relative scarcity of talent, not production but talent, at the center position). Bagley is also playing good ball, which should have been expected for a guy who did as a freshman what Tim Duncan last did in the ACC (led the division in ppg, rpg, and FG%). Doncic is special and there’s no need to discuss that. Trae Young is getting the minutes and you can see the potential there despite his slight frame. Again, this was a kid who as a freshman led the entire NCAA in points and assists per game.

    The reason Ayton went over Doncic is because Ayton offers you a player who can physically dominate opponents, and Doncic doesn’t give you that premium (as yet, maybe he will but he’s a wing in a league where Kevin Durant and Giannis are wings) despite being an excellent basketball player. Bagley is another physical freak of nature who had a relentless motor on the glass at age 18.

    Doncic was a great prospect and probably would have gone number 1 overall in the 2019 or 2017 NBA drafts, but 2018 is as top heavy a class as I’ve ever seen. Of course we would have ended up with Kevin Knox, but that’s water under the bridge. Hopefully we can trade him for Lillard or Anthony Davis.

    Strat, I understand your point. You’re not defending Bolsonaro. It’s just probably too simplistic to equate majority rule with normality. If a majority of Soviet citizens supported their government, that doesn’t make communist dictatorships normal. Stalin was an extremist no matter how you slice it.

    And in Brazil’s particular situation, Bolsonaro earned a majority vote not because of his extreme views, but mostly in spite of them. He has been in government for a long time and was never more than a fringe figure. It’s only now that PT’s massive corruption is coming to light that Brazilians are willing to vote for the candidate who is most likely to blow everything up. But it’s not that his nostalgia for the military dictatorship is suddenly a popular viewpoint.

    Unfortunately, we’ve now gotten to the point where people equate “being a cunt” to “being an outsider”.

    Bingo. The key to getting elected these days is to say something horrible and then go, “No politician would say that. Therefore I must be a reformer.”

    I got to say, Doncic hasn’t lived up to the hype yet, turnover rate is super high. He will get there I am sure but early returns are sub-par. Ayton is certainly impressive. He’s surprised me with how polished he is from the get go.

    The Knicks could conceivably win 5 of the next 8. Would love to go 2-3 in those games, starting with a clutch loss tonight.

    Given the flattening of the lottery odds and the fact that we’re clearly outmatched almost every time we take the floor, I’d be okay with banking a few wins here, just so Fiz’s positivity doesn’t get drowned out, and/or so Kanter or anyone else unhappy with their role can’t easily cause trouble.

    Strat, if you-like me, don’t know much about Brazilian politics-you could just not post about them.

    for ROY I think Ayton has the early lead by a fairly significant margin. Maybe Luka could catch up if he cuts down on his turnovers, or maybe Phoenix getting Booker back will take shots away from Ayton.

    You are passionate about this because it’s your country and he’s expressing views you find particularly offensive (as do I), but to me, this is just another shit hole country with a shit hole government going down the tubes just like my own.

    This is a dangerously bad hot take. Bolsonaro represents more than just another Third World dictator, he’s part of the brown wave of proto-fascist leaders who have risen to power in countries like Austria, Britain, Philippines and the United States. Their movements pose an arguably greater existential threat than the first great wave of fascism during the interwar period (1919-1938) because there isn’t an organized left-wing international movement to counter their right-wing populism at a historical moment when we have precious time to unify as a planet and work towards finding solutions to the collapse of our natural environment. Bolsonaro, an unabashed capitalist who is in favor of aggressively developing the Amazon rainforest, is now in charge of one of the few remaining natural barriers halting the catastrophic effects of manmade climate change in the world.

    Given the flattening of the lottery odds and the fact that we’re clearly outmatched almost every time we take the floor, I’d be okay with banking a few wins here, just so Fiz’s positivity doesn’t get drowned out, and/or so Kanter or anyone else unhappy with their role can’t easily cause trouble.

    Agreed.

    We’ve got the Nets, the Wizards, the Mavs, the Magic, the Bulls and the Hawks in the next 10 games. Those are all winnable. Maybe even OKC if they keep playing like shit.

    I got to say, Doncic hasn’t lived up to the hype yet, turnover rate is super high. He will get there I am sure but early returns are sub-par Ayton is certainly impressive. He’s surprised me with how polished he is from the get go.

    Doncic needs to hit the weights and get his carbs under control. Can’t expect everyone to be as shredded as Kemba or Kawhi (or Ayton, haha) but he’s got millions of dollars at stake and he plays a position where belly fat isn’t going to do him much good.

    Ayton is clearly the better player so far, but I would be surprised if Doncic ends the season with a negative BPM. I’m looking forward to seeing whether this early boom from Ayton is sustainable. Regardless, the Suns are due for another top-5 pick, so I dread the thought of Ayton and Zion/Little/Barrett running the floor together.

    Their movements pose an arguably greater existential threat than the first great wave of fascism during the interwar period (1919-1938) because there isn’t an organized left-wing international movement to counter their right-wing populism

    Holy crap, this is the dumbest thing I’ve read in the last 24 hours.
    Thanks for the laugh.

    We’ve got the Nets, the Wizards, the Mavs, the Magic, the Bulls and the Hawks in the next 10 games. Those are all winnable. Maybe even OKC if they keep playing like shit.

    1-15 baby. The Knicks gonna do it to em.

    Will Doncic be held back by having to share the basketball with DSJ? He really could benefit from playing with another type of guard, someone who plays defense and is willing to play off the ball in a catch and shoot roll.

    Holy crap, this is the dumbest thing I’ve read in the last 24 hours.

    Nothing funny about it at all. It’s rather depressing to see.

    Strat, if you-like me, don’t know much about Brazilian politics-you could just not post about them.

    Strat was honest enough to admit it. Do you think all of the other Americans posting here (some might) on the topic have the faintest clue about what they’re talking about? So should they STFU too?

    Right now it seems Doncic’s biggest weaknesses are his defense and his ballhandling or playmaking or whatever you want to call it (he turns the ball over too much). DSJ sucking definitely hurts the Mavs, but I’m not sure how much it hurts Doncic individually (maybe playing with Dennis suppresses his scoring a bit)

    @50

    I imagine if Luka played with someone like Frank – who could handle the opposing team’s best offensive scorer for him and not need to dominate the ball – it would help simplify the game for him now.

    Could this be the best rookie class since 2003?

    That was incredible:
    LeBron, Melo, Wade, Bosh plus
    West, Diaw, Josh Howard, Korver (2nd round!)
    plus solid players as Hinrich, Collison, Delfino, Perkins, Barbosa, Pachulia, Bonner, Mo Williams, Ridnour, Kapono, Blake, Walton, Outlaw, Pietrus, Bogans, James Jones and injury plagued TJ Ford and Kaman.

    27 Players out of 58 with 10+ NBA seasons (and 2 with 9, including Kapono) :-O

    Maybe this one has a chance to be as deep even if not as qualitative.

    27 Players out of 58 with 10+ NBA seasons

    And with the 9th pick in the 2003 NBA draft, the New York Knicks select… Michael Sweetney.

    Scott Layden really might have been the worst GM we ever had.

    Could this be the best rookie class since 2003?

    Let’s hope Kevin Knox isn’t the Mike Sweetney of 2018.

    🙂

    I deliberately avoided to name Sweetney but bad memories are always here with us…

    And no, luckily Knox is not even close at being Mike Sweetney.

    DRed @39

    Strat, if you-like me, don’t know much about Brazilian politics-you could just not post about them.

    +1

    Choose between the following scenarios:

    #1 Knicks are 15-36 on February 1. Porzingis comes back, plays like an All-Star, the Knicks go 18-13 and end up 33-49

    #2 Same record on February 1, Porzingis comes back, plays pretty much like 2nd half of season KP, the Knicks win 10 of their last 32 games and end up 25-57

    I know #2 seems like the obvious choice, but you do have to think about the perception of the team by potential free agents. Interested what you guys think.

    I won’t believe anything I read or hear from the news.

    “I’m just going to pull my contrarian opinions directly from my own ass and go with that”

    @58

    If the free agents we’re chasing are going to be swayed by 31 games of post-ACL KP, we’re chasing the wrong free agents.

    Boban’s WS48 is .420 right now

    what a god

    Yeah, well that’s nothing compared to almost ex-Knick Greg Monroe’s .568 right now. (What a god?).

    Oh and full disclosure: I’m not saying anything about Bolsonaro because too many people have already said the right thing about it, and there’s no sense in beating a dead horse.

    But yes, he’s very clearly a piece of shit.

    “I’m just going to pull my contrarian opinions directly from my own ass and go with that”

    Back onto your wee wee mat, little pup.

    @40… I am a lifelong member of the Labour Party in the UK and pretty much hate the Conservatives. But to equate a Theresa May-led government with the ‘Brown wave’ is so way off base it needs to be called out.

    May is basically a moderate Conservative- a party that has been a mainstream part of British politics for hundreds of years. Yes, Brexit is the dumbest act of self harm imagineable and there is a tea-party style lunatic fringe in the conservatives who are responsible for it but we don’t have a fascist government or anything close.

    @67
    Yes, without injuries, bouts with depression and weight problems he could have been.
    Alas he wasn’t.
    In 2015, at 33, he debuted with his new team in Uruguay, he weighted 168 Kg (370 pounds).
    I hope he’s better now and wish him the best.

    But to equate a Theresa May-led government with the ‘Brown wave’ is so way off base it needs to be called out.

    I was referencing Nigel Farange here and the larger Brexit “Leave Means Leave” movement has taken steam. May is just ineffectual neoliberal PM.

    i understand it’s not the most admirable quality to keep your head buried deep in the sand and filter out what’s going on in the world…checked in to cnn (i know, not the most comprehensive of news outlets) to find out more about what’s happening with brazilian politics…

    saw a whole lot of violence and grief before even making it to that particular news…

    i’m thankful there are folks, stronger and more responsible than myself whom do take an active interest in identifying the abundance of evil in this world in order to to shine light on it, and, in some cases openly fight against it…

    when too many folks like myself try to avoid some of the more distasteful things which societies breed, bad things happen…bad things are happening…

    my world is mostly work, kids, sports, weed and games…i appreciate being able to check in here though and get a broader vision of the world…

    i’m sure many of you may feel like you’re beating your head against the wall by raising some of these “larger” issues here…it’s not a waste though…

    some things do need to be said and discussed…

    i’m very thankful to our hosts for allowing things “less than pleasant” discussions to take place…

    When I was looking at possible matches for a Teodosic trade, I laughed at the though of them having both Kanter and Boban on the floor at the same time. I’d love to see it just because.

    I’m a brazilian who didn’t vote or support Bolsonaro and I have to say that the allegations of fascism are way overstated.

    Yes, he’s an idiot, racist and homophobic. There’s absolutely no doubt about that and no excuses for the awful things that he used to say. However, he’s been constantly saying that he want’s to REDUCE the size of the government in our lives. That’s the exact opposite of what a facist would do.

    Brazilians were put in a very hard situation that divided the country. The other side was a completely corrupt party that not only destroyed the economy but also promised to double the bet in everything that went wrong. Let’s not forget also the constant flirting with dictators like Hugo Chaves, Fidel Castro, Robert Mungabe and others even worse at the cost of our own good.

    And please, stop calling our former president Lula a political prisoner. The trial in which he was convicted has more than 500 pages of evidence and it’s only one of six he’s involved.

    @66, you’re country is throwing people in jail for politically incorrect speech and for mean social media posts. That sounds pretty fascist to me.

    One thing that seems consistent amongst all nations is that leftists love democracy when the mob is on their side, but when they lose it’s because the mob is evil and stupid.

    Ugh. Your

    @40 – sorry, you said ‘risen to power’ whereas UKIP have had a grand total of 2MPs in their existence and Farage wasn’t one.

    @73 – huh?

    I’m a brazilian who didn’t vote or support Bolsonaro and I have to say that the allegations of fascism are way overstated.

    In “Ur- Fascism,” his 1995 famous essay examining the anatomy of fascist politics, the late legendary philosopher and novelist Umberto Eco identified fourteen common features comprising the germinal cell of all fascist movements. They are 1.) The cult of tradition; 2.) The rejection of modernism; 3.) The cult of action for action’s sake; 4.) Disagreement is treason; 5.) Fear of difference; 6.) Appeal to social frustration; 7.) The obsession with a plot; 8.) The enemy is both strong and weak; 9.) Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy; 10.) Contempt for the weak; 11.) Everybody is educated to become a hero; 12.) Machismo and weaponry; 13.) Selective populism; 14.) Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.

    Is there any aspect here which doesn’t apply to Bolsanaro? I would love to see which…

    @75
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127

    (1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—
    (a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
    (b)causes any such message or matter to be so sent.
    (2)A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—
    (a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false,
    (b)causes such a message to be sent; or
    (c)persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.
    (3)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable, on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.

    sorry, you said ‘risen to power’ whereas UKIP have had a grand total of 2MPs in their existence and Farage wasn’t one.

    I didn’t mention the UKIP or elected representation in parliament. I mentioned the Leave Means Leave movement which is one of the most well-organized, well-funded, and influential lobbies in Britain whose aim is basically create a ultranationalist Angl0-British ethno-state. Are you denying they’ve gained enormous power in the wake of the Brexit vote or that its underpinning politics are fascist?

    Pretty amazing what Dame Lillard is doing so far… if Zach Collins can keep this up, they will be a tough out in the playoffs. They shoulda maybe have kept Vonleh though, lol.

    I definitely don’t want “wins” for this team, but I think you have to keep starting Vonleh. He’s like the only legit decent two-way player.

    And I know he hasn’t played lately, but is anyone else worried about Knox? I really don’t see him making the jump unless he beefs up into a 4. I’m still solidly in the Miles Bridges camp.

    Knox is such a wild card b/c he’s so very raw. I agree that he’s going to need to beef up a bit into a 4.

    I think the Knicks might steal a win tonight…

    I’m sort of regretting getting into this now especially after criticising yesterday’s thread as boring. So I’ll just say this:

    @73 – if there are specific uses of this law that you can identify that worry you as ‘fascist’ I’d like to hear them. Pretty sure no-0ne has yet been locked up for ‘being mean on social media’. We all know that policing social media and online bullying g is hard and no-one has nailed it yet. I don’t think this is evidence that our government is ‘fascist’.

    @78. Fair enough, to a point. You said ‘Risen to power’ and cited Farage, ex UKIP leader. If you meant ‘hard brexiters in general’ and ‘become more powerful’ loosely, I don’t disagree. But even then many hard brexiters are small minded ‘little englanders’ but not fascists by most measures, in my view.

    I don’t care what you all think about this: if I ever meet Nigel Farage, I’m going to slap him in the face.

    Hi English. I see lots of stories about the UK coming down hard on “bad” speech. I’ll try to find some specifics and chat with you about them. Thanks.

    if there are specific uses of this law that you can identify that worry you as ‘fascist’ I’d like to hear them. Pretty sure no-0ne has yet been locked up for ‘being mean on social media’.

    That’s probably because everybody was locked up already for using plastic straws in Santa Barbara.

    Ah yes, start with the vague recollection and feeling first. Then go for the evidence.

    But even then many hard brexiters are small minded ‘little englanders’ but not fascists by most measures, in my view.

    Yes, it’s true fascism doesn’t have a large base of popular support in Britain. The Corbyn left has taken over the popular agenda and every establishment force from the centre to the far right are aligning to oppose his policies. But the Leave Means Leave movement wields enormous influence, despite their views being minority ones. Farage became its VP upon realizing he could be more influential pushing the Tories right via their lobbying and media platforms than as a UKIP politician. It’s like how in the US, where despite the fact most Americans prefer some sort of public health care option, no major party will endorse it because of a well-funded and connected lobby incentivizes elected politicians in both parties to support further privatization. Brexit is being used as their cause celebre to cram down all kinds of nasty proto-fascist policies down the British public’s throats.

    I don’t care what you all think about this: if I ever meet Nigel Farage, I’m going to slap him in the face.

    Join the club and get in line, it’s a large organization with a very long wait list.

    That’s probably because everybody was locked up already for using plastic straws in Santa Barbara.

    I have an enormous silicone reusable straw that makes me guzzle water like it’s a firehose. Better function, zero waste. Love it. Highly recommended, especially compared to those reusable integrated-straw suction-action cups that make you work for it.

    Unreal you guys. I see stories posted on libertarian sites about this all the time but I don’t have a photographic memory. I did a quick Google on my way out of work and first thing that popped up was a guy who got convicted for teaching his dog to do a Nazi salute and posting it on line. I didn’t see what the punishment was though.
    Ffs jowles, stop assuming every fucking thing said by people you don’t like is in bad faith. Just go Google GB and speech convictions.

    Hey jowles, I just got off the subway. Ok with you if I try to have a conversation with the English dude tomorrow.

    I’m also in the line to slap Farage. And Boris. Just in case that was unclear!

    I see Knox’s upside as a Keith Van Horn type player. He’s not as athletic as he’s made out to be and is only average in terms of length. What I do like is his decent handle, the shooting form and high and relatively quick release and solid rebounding. He’s so raw though that total bust is well within the realm of possibility.

    Damn, getting my share of international politics today. Good luck down there in Brazil…

    I see Knox’s upside as a Keith Van Horn type player.

    Well, kill me now.

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