Game Thread: New York Knicks at Cleveland Cavaliers
Start Time: 12/12/2018 19:00:00
Kincks-Cavaliers game involves intriguing rookie matchup
The Cleveland Cavaliers and New York Knicks are among the NBA’s worst teams and are engaged in rebuilding projects due to varying circumstances.
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what are you talking about – me and james jones got this stuff stuff figured out…
heck, with a simple of use of the never fail eye test i can clearly and emphatically state that joakim noah is poised to regain his dpoy form; and, mister jones has help place the phoenix suns in a great position to dominate the league for years to come…
we don’t need no stinkin’ numbers…
The Sun’s owner is threatening to move the team to Seattle or Vegas if Phoenix doesn’t give him 150 mil for an arena renovation.
The Seattle Suns will be the most ironically named team in the league
A Deadspin commenter suggested changing it to the Seattle Rain, but that just seems mean to me. Cloud might be good. Little double entendre.
For the Suns, that includes their win-loss record.
Still better than Vegas which would be like changing our name to the New York Times
Did the Chicago Bulls practice today?
Rhetorical question Does anyone pay that back when they sell the team?
Even more so than a Lakers team in water starved Los Angeles? Or my own personal favorite, a team named Jazz in the land of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir?
Apparently the legislation has a clause that assesses the Suns a 200 mil fine if they skip town too soon after getting the, um. Kickback? Ransom money?
Popper:
I’m still not sure how good a coach he is, but I find Fiz very entertaining.
good to see we’re going to spot the cavs a few points in the first quarter tonight…fiz is going to have to get a little creative in securing this loss…
damn count you lurkin soandso u beat me to it
How about
Seattle Antitrust Lawsuits
Seattle Homeless Crisis
Seattle Corporate Welfare Kings
Seattle Illegal AirBnBs
Seattle $40 Consumer Surveillance Devices
Seattle Foreign Cash Investors Fucking Up Our Housing Market
Seattle Exploited Warehouse Laborers
I’m legitimately starting to think Fiz is a genius. “Starting Hezonja for defense”, was another tank commanding genius move as well as benching Dotson after our defense got too good.
Seattle Reign
I think Seattle would probably want a good team to relocate there. Although interestingly enough, reading old articles on Seattle basketball post OKC, it sounds like the fan base would hate having a team if it meant a team relocating.
At any rate, Fiz is going to have to pull out all the stops to out tank Cleveland tonight.
Seattle Grunge
I think there’s no way the Suns are moving, Sarver is just making a power play to get more money. But I did think there was no way the Sonics were ever moving, so I guess it might just happen… I would love to see the NBA back in Seattle, I always liked the Sonics, but getting a Sarver owned team would be pretty shitty.
Seattle Slew (my guess is strat would approve…)
Seattle Starbucks
I plan to remain standing until we get our first assist or Mudiay get his 20th shot up
do not toss your baby to Mitchell Robinson
Is Luke Kornett playing, or am I drunk on a Wednesday
Cleveland rocks! New York bricks!
And then he puts Kornett in against Cleveland?!?! Fizdale, Tank Genius.
What the fuck is going on?
I actually hope Kornet gets a legitimate look. He at least theoretically is a very nice player for the modern NBA, with the only problem being he probably sucks.
Our coach is an amazing tank commander.
Fiz is so in on the tank.
Hezonja is undergoing the miraculous Fizdale benching rejuvenation process. Guaranteed to rejuvenate wayward basketball players and possibly uses leeches.
what if kornet married Kenny Walker
doesn’t everyone?
edit: i’m still laughing on the leeches…that was a good one early bird…
maybe Courtney Lee demoted himself to avoid watching this
Hezonja status: not on the dungeon.
Knicks status: why am I watching this.
The worst thing about this is that Cleveland is so bad that they’ll probably cool down massively in the second half and the Knicks can still win.
Zion is ours
@36
I get the same feeling. Knicks could win this. But then again, we could see more Kornet!
For some strange reason, I want to see Baker guard Dellavadova.
Keep the tank rolling!
Good to see Frank is taking shots tonight.
I hope it’s a “yes, and” type of situation.
This Sexton fellow seems pretty okay. Shame he was off the board when we picked..
Sexton would have a lot less turnovers in our patented “Don’t Pass” offense.
man, that’ll be like watching the ufc…
Frank looked like shit that half. He did get 2 rebounds though! Lol
just looking at the box score, it doesn’t seem that terrible, combined 11 turnovers, 17 fouls, 21 assists and both teams are shooting 40% from three…
mario is a plus 11 for the game so far 🙂
Time to put Kornet back on
Time to put Kornet AND Hez back in! Hurry!
Great sequence by Knox
Okay time to close out the game with a Baker, Super Mario, Kornet, Knox, and do we still have Lance Thomas lineup.
That made me chuckle…..
Count De Pennies – I can see a Deadspin feature on the most ironically named NBA teams coming.
I have only watched 5 minutes of this but outtanking the Cavs looks like it’s going to be tough…
This is a hard Cavs team to lose to. I worry about the fourth quarter comeback.
problem solved
Frank!
Gotta like how Frank is looking tonight. And Kevin Knox is definitely the starter for the rest of the season.
Listening to these Cavs homers,
Good lord.
Deli this and Deli that. Deli made it with pastrami on it. Delia deli deli.
Christ.
And then the Knicks come back
Frank with the fantastic drop off to Mitch
Mario can lay those bricks
Robinson commits assault AND battery
Frank is playing very well
apparently the stitch fix algorithm has identified Kevin love as a 1970s pedophile
Blossomgame is a guy I have never heard of. Dotson foul was pretty dumb.
Not sure what’s up with Dotson tonight. Not quite in synch.
Ok I take back what I said about benching Frank.
Now start him!
Frank now has taken more shots than Mudiay, and in less minutes!
Aggro Frank!
I cannot remember ever seeing Frank Ntilikina look this sure of himself on offense. This guy we’re seeing right now? Don’t know him.
Frank clearly got the message: we’re gonna play this scrub Mudiay over you if you don’t ball hog Forget about that whole distribution thing – shoot!
Blossomgame, what a great name. His grandfather made a killing in something plant related ugh, so bad.
In good news, MitchRob hates Dellavadova as much as everybody else does!
I really hope that Frank, Knox and Robinson all get to play together a lot. With Trier, too, when he comes back.
Blossomgame is flowering before our eyes
I take back what I said about Knox being great in the open court.
I have to say, I have real respect for Hardaway’s ability and desire to draw charges.
Timmy taking two charges in one game! He really wants to stay among the league leaders.
Fizdale really has got to be with the tank to take Frank out and keep Mudiay in the game.
And obviously right on cue Mudiay hits two shots. This win will be so annoying.
Thank you.
We’re gonna squeak out this loss.
Mudiay really tears me up, I know he’s good for the tank, but I can’t stand watching him play basketball
To be clear, I didn’t want to pick Knox. I wanted SGA.
To be clear, Knox has mostly been terrible.
But…
I do see some glimmers of potential there. I can imagine that an off-season of NBA conditioning and strength training would have a really big effect on his game.
Knox just got sonned. But good for him to get the block on the other end.
And a 3!
And I wrote that before his rebound and then the 3….
KNOX
We’re fucking this up
KNOX!
That slam is worth the win.
And that pretty awesome slam!
Look, if Frank and Knox lead us to wins, what the hell, right?
Not worth the win
But pretty good effort from the neophyte
This is okay since Knox and Frank are both on the court!
KNOX!
Knox and Frank have really lifted their game recently.
I also can see glimpses of a real good NBA in Knox.
Cavs have no business coughing up the lead.
I get that a loss is more likely to help the Knicks than a win in the long term.
I can’t help rooting for a buzzer beater to win this game.
Frank
Knox
Mitch
Trier (if we can figure it out)
Vonleh (if we can figure it out)
KP
2019 pick
That was a pretty sweet take from Hood. Frank was right on him – though a little short.
Best case scenario: Mudiay takes it himself, misses, Knicks lose.
Wow.
That was a tank play.
Mudiay…god that was awful
On cue…
$10 to read your future, peeps.
Mudiay taking that shot was tank insurance.
I dare anyone to say differently.
And a 3 from Timmy coming up. I … think … he misses.
Biggest game of the year so far and it comes down to the wire!! We need this loss
Hahahahahahaha
Mudiay shat himself twice
rama calls it. Good work everybody, real proud of what we accomplished tonight.
Well, that was dismal. Good loss.
Man, that could not have gone better. Well done, Mudiay!
Worst.inbounds.play.ever.
I swear to god I laughed out loud when Mudiay threw that ball away
Emmanuel Mudiay Rommel!
So like we’ve been saying: Mudiay the tank commander…
perfect
Do I hate or love Mudiay right now? I’m honestly confused. Dialectics at its best, I guess
Back to the drawing board on that one
it looked like Mudiay ditched the play and just improvised. that kanter screen was a fake and he went to set a secondary screen, pretty sure Mudiay was supposed to see if Knox broke open on the back cut or look for Timmy coming off the real kanter screen
Do you guys still want to re-sign Mudiay?
I mean with no timeouts Mudiay does have to just throw it in, but maybe don’t throw it directly to one of the Cavs
Now that is a STATEMENT loss in the tankathon
Someone has to come and get the ball. Pathetic. Also. Timmy… sore loser there.
Sorry, ephus. I hear you. But I really want a high draft pick, because I do think there’s enough talent on this team that, should KP return healthy and play well next year, will not see another high draft pick for a while.
I mean two straight plays Mudiay simply choked.
That was a really bad sequence for Mudiay. He did get fouled on the miss though. Terrible inbounds pass. but why didn’t anyone go TO the ball?
Anyway, this is good for the tank, right?
@111 you can see his improvements, but still too much WTF in his game. And that’s not even getting into his D.
Weird stat of the night: Hezonja was +10 for the game.
Mudiay choking is a big part of what we do here.
If you were able to watch Mudiay everyday in practice, you’d know that he makes those plays 8 out of 10 times.
I only caught the very end, but a hell of a L. Zion, baby. Zion.
Elite tank commanding by Fiz and Mudiay! Beautiful loss…..
Mudiay is bizarro Jason Kidd, he always makes the wrong play
Mudiay literally cannot move … I don’t like the guy but there are 4 other guys that HAVE TO GET OPEN and yes they are allowed to move… a lot…
Anyone going to opine about rodney hood going right at Frank and getting a critical bucket? Size advantage? Vet savvy?
we also have a Brooklyn win over the sixers
Nets beating Philly in Philly!
The Nets also beat the Sixers, so this is a huge loss for the tank. Ntilikina and Knox both played well, the tank commander clutches the L, this ended up being a pretty good outcome.
Oh yeah that inbounds fiasco is not really on Mudiay.
Emmanuel Transmission
Holy shit Spencer Dinwiddie has 35 points. I don’t get why the Nets don’t commit to him starting instead of Russell, he’s so much better.
good offense beats good defense in today’s NBA
That was an Emmanu-L
Oh sorry I forgot I haven’t watched Nets practices so I can’t possibly know that Dinwiddie should be playing over Russell.
Yeah, Hood has 3 inches on Frank and simply used his size very well.
@132 Wally just quoted you almost verbatim.
I am now a believer of your powers. Lol
Draymond Green has a .500 TS% so far this year. You know who doesn’t? Noah Vonleh
The last few games have started to give me a better idea of what Kevin Knox: Good Player could look like. He’s got a loooooooong way to go, and he still looks like he has no clue what he’s doing most of the time, but if we can get him to stick to a few simple things maybe we can avoid that pick being a disaster.
As I wrote in today’s thread, I’d sign him or Tobias Harris. We aren’t getting Leonard or Durant, so those would be the guys I’d target with our space. If we go for Dinwiddie, we let Burke and (lol) Mudiay go.
@137 He moves like a newborn giraffe or gazelle. I do think that he’ll be a much better NBA athlete with a full NBA offseason training regimen.
Harris is fine but he’s going to get overpaid by someone. you don’t want to be that someone..
I didn’t see the game, but just looking at the box score, both Ntilikina and Knox had better stat lines than Sexton did. That is encouraging.
To be fair, that dude shouda been T’d up. Good loss though, pretty happy. Gonna give my cavs fan friend the business tomorrow.
I really like Tobias Harris and I think his improvement this year is for real, so I wouldn’t hate it if we ended up with him, but I agree that he will be too overpaid to be worthy. Dinwiddie would be very nice on a good contract, which might be possible because the market for PGs is in a weird place with so many teams having young guards.
Great loss! This loss and the Nets loss were both really impressive.
No one is “catching” the Suns for dead last in the league. They’re the only horrible team in the entire West right now, and it’s not close right now.
But worse in the East? We have a shot.
You can fairly easily envision Kevin Knox, good scorer (KKGS). His shot profile already is pretty good, mostly 3’s and at the rim. KKGS would look a lot like current Kevin Knox but the shots would be going in a lot more frequently.
Good loss, Wow, Kudos
The Knicks are one of those teams.
The coaching staff has to do for Knox what they did for Mudiay in terms of fixing his finishes at the basket. Knox has so many skills, but has no goddamn clue what to do when he attacks the hoop in the half court. Just correcting his technique in that one area will pay very big dividends, I believe.
I’d say Cleveland and the Knicks are neck in neck in suckiness so it may come down to who comes back sooner and is more effective between KP and Love (and I think we have the advantage there as far as losses go). Atlanta has been better since Collins came back so they might be in play as well.
Also, why is it that when Frank shoots well the rest of his game seems to suffer? That’s back to back sub-par defensive games from him and the couple of nice passes he threw were off-set by some bad turnovers. Still, baby-steps- very encouraging for him struggle shooting in the first half and not get discouraged and disappear on offense.
As for Knox, he’s looked like an actual NBA player pretty much since the Milwaukee game- not a good NBA player but a guy who looks like he might have a chance to be good down the road. If he gets a little stronger and improves his handle he’s going to be able to score- he can shoot the three and get out in transition. Is he going to be able to consistently rebound and at least be adequate on defense? We’ll see.
I suddenly feel less confident in myself (but not in PIPM, which I learned this from)
We may also run into trouble with Knox in that his best defensive position will be power forward, and we’ll have KP there or maybe, if we’re really lucky, Zion. Knox can play the 3 on offense but gets killed defending it. Not that he’s a good defender yet at the 4, but it’s like Melo, where playing there maximizes his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses. And there might not be a ton of minutes there unless KP finally moves to center full time.
wow, CJ McCollum went 16 for 27 but the rest of the team went 16 for 60.
@132
Maybe we put Zion at point guard or small forward 🙂
that would be a nice problem to have
why can’t the commissioner simply force the pels to trade anthony davis – for the betterment of the league…
Seattle Cattle
So the Cavs have the worst D-Rating of all time. These Knicks are 7th worst of all time. And there are 6 2018-2019 teams currently in the bottom 15 of all time.
Are defenses that much worse this year, or are offenses that much better?